Practically rubbing his hands in glee, Time magazine's Joe Klein exulted yesterday over Michigan Rep. John Dingell (D) losing out to the more liberal Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) for control of the powerful House Energy and Commerce Committee.
Apparently Klein is happy that under Waxman the committee will succeed in decreasing both domestic energy and commerce with fresh, strict regulations on America's automakers. From his Nov. 20 Swampland blog post at Time.com:
Lord, things are moving fast...and also not. The stock market is moving south--fast. The number of jobless claims are moving north--fast. Economic panic is in the air...and the atmosphere is Washington is changing faster than a speeding ballot (ouch, sorry). There is a stirring in the Congress, too, where nothing of substance has happened in a long, long time. Today the hopelessly dopey auto makers received a couple of stark warnings: First, California's crusading Henry Waxman replaced the eternal John Dingell, patron saint of the gas-guzzlers, as Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which is great news for those who are looking forward to the greening of Detroit. Then Nancy Pelosi called out the Big Three, saying no bailout without a plan. Now, no one really believes the Democrats will wit(h)hold money from the automakers--but the Big 3 would have to be stupider than idiotic not to understand that higher gas mileage standards and a whole bunch of other requirements are coming down the pike. They have very few, if any, defenders left in your nation's capital and that's real progress.
Ramping up industry-killing regulations in the midst of an economic downturn may be "real progress" to a well-paid liberal journalist in Manhattan. I doubt the sentiment is shared by Michiganers already facing the threat of double-digit unemployment levels.
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Keep moving north
November 21, 2008 - 13:33 ET by CobraMan"The number of jobless claims are moving north, fast."
Good, the can keep moving north, straight into Canada.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
I Just Can't Wait
November 21, 2008 - 13:50 ET by allanfto get my new fuel efficent Obama Box
Yea I live in Michigan and
November 21, 2008 - 13:33 ET by dark_dsYea I live in Michigan and there is a dark cloud hanging over us. We are taking a huge hit and it will only get worse for the forseeable future. Eventually we may rise out of the ashes. I have mixed feeling about the bailout since I live here I will first hand see the pain of what is to transpire... my ideology says no to the bailout but at the same time I say why is Detroit being treated differently then the financial sector ... the financial sector was mismanaged, the people within, were and are overpaid just like the auto industry, they suffered from a lack of vision just like the auto industry ... but congress and the Bush administration has no problem throwing 700 billion at them and then Paulson doesnt even use the money as intended .....I guess I just dont see the difference.
Say no to the Bailout, let GM Fail
November 21, 2008 - 20:16 ET by PopularTechThe financial sector bailout was a joke that will do nothing but create inflation, a GM Bailout will do nothing but ensure the demise of the U.S. Auto industry.
Let Detroit Go Bankrupt (The New York Times)
Detroit Needs Drilling, Not Bailouts (FOX News)
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I was disgusted yesterday
November 21, 2008 - 13:49 ET by bigtimerI was disgusted yesterday when Waxman won that powerful seat yesterday...I posted as such, it won't just be the auto-industry that gets hurt/killed either...
WE are in for a huge downfall in so many ways in my opinion, plus congress has this, and they are going to use it...big time, it has only been used once before since it was created in '96 I think it was, it will undo any law that passed that they want since last May, and they will do just that, they will impose their will where Obama cannot via undoing EO's made by Bush and inserting his own...
Very spooky times ahead folks...fasten your seat belts.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
No better in upstate ny
November 21, 2008 - 13:56 ET by jackie3I live in upstate NY. Home of Xerox, kodak and B&L. All three have suffered huge losses. We have a "brain drain" currently underway where there are more people leaving the state for better jobs. Employment gains are stagnant--have been for 2 decades nearly. Our manufacturing is nearly bust. Our only employment gains have been schools, state and medical fields. Laid off factory workers are becoming nurses.
None of the factories here filed BK. Xerox stock hit an all time low a few years back. I thought for sure they were going under. But the co. is still here. Much leaner than before but still here.
What automakers need to do, IMHO, is restructure. They could file BK and do it the old fashion way. There will be job loss in the unions no matter what you do. The union jobs are being replaced by robots and out sourcing. The unions (xerox has one) has become a useless dinosaur in today’s age. They have done nothing for Xerox but take union dues from already strapped workers. Wage freezes, benefit cuts, retire cuts. It's all going bye, bye.
Right now, the union worker's goal at Xerox is to keep their job another 2 years when the next contract is up and more losses come down the pipe.
Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Just what automakers need...more regulations!
November 21, 2008 - 13:56 ET by mbrewer1Why does it never occur to liberals that the cost of mandates is very real?! Forcing higher MPG standards right in the middle of the collapse of the auto industry is ludicrous at best and downright dangerous at worst. So, in addition to retooling for hybrid cars, those cars better get 25% (or whatever it turns out to be) better fuel economy than today? Oh boy...get your boots out...it's going to get deep in here soon!
So Klein is giddy is
November 21, 2008 - 13:59 ET by ConservativeRexSo Klein is giddy is he?
Well he had better have saved up some money to afford a "green" car.
When Time goes out of business he'll be looking for some green alright.
Klein and the other AGW disciples
November 21, 2008 - 14:03 ET by c5thencannot wait until it is illegal to release CO2 into the atmosphere without a permit.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
November 21, 2008 - 20:21 ET by PopularTechCarbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
"CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving – I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality." - Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT
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Nancy's American Samoa
November 21, 2008 - 14:04 ET by upcountrywaterLook at how she treats her little people at Star-Kist.
Humm looks like she sold in Oct?
oh well she's still a
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ucw... Yep, she made sure
November 21, 2008 - 14:20 ET by bigtimerucw...
Yep, she made sure to exclude Somoa from the raising of min. wage in the min. wage increase the House passed, plus made sure to get a big chunk of money for her husbands business there too with the bail-out money when it went through the House...nothing like pork from us tax-payers eh?
Phony hypocrite b!tch...and the msm says zilch about this, we do know exactly what would happen if this was Gingrich or Tom delay for example in the msm let alone all the leftists screaming to high heaven via the msm.
Yet the repubs remain silent for the most part.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Henry Waxman
November 21, 2008 - 14:05 ET by Snilwar4Henry Waxman couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions written on the heel. Look out, here comes a colossal mess in the works.
I'll never forget Klein's
November 21, 2008 - 14:16 ET by SickofLibsI'll never forget Klein's Time jerkatorial last summer about no matter how hot it gets in DC, he won't use the AC in his car and doesn't even have AC in his house, just "do his part."
He's sooo green. I wonder if he thinks heat in the winter is also a bad idea.
and if it stops moving
November 21, 2008 - 14:21 ET by katainkentsubsidize it.
member of the Conservative Independant Witness Protection Program since Nov. 5, 2008
To the people of Michigan,
November 21, 2008 - 14:28 ET by dscottTo the people of Michigan, since you were duped by the Dems and now will lose most of your jobs you can either stay put to receive your extended victim stipend of unemployment insurance or you can be a survivor to take your fate in your own hands - MOVE. GET OUT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
Madison, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 3.4% Unemploment
Eau Claire, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 3.8%
La Crosse, WI-MN Metropolitan Statistical Area - 3.9%
Appleton, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4%
Fond du Lac, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4.1%
Oshkosh-Neenah, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4.1%
Sheboygan, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4.1%
Wausau, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4.1%
Green Bay, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4.3%
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4.9%
http://www.bls.gov/web/laummtrk.htm
Moving over the state line from Michigan to Wisconsin literally doubles your shot at a job. What are you waiting for? The Dems to give you one? How's that working so far?
Even Indiana has a couple of spots for you:
Unemployment low here too:
Bloomington, IN Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4.5%
Columbus, IN Metropolitan Statistical Area - 4.5%
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
I think the problem is the relative salaries
November 21, 2008 - 14:41 ET by c5thenThe average UAW member 'earns' about $100k a year or more with the mandatory OT. Moving to another state might get them a job sooner, but it will be for half the pay. Looks like MI us going to need more $$ for all those out of work UAW members.
I bet that Toyota and Nissan will be expanding their factories down south soon.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
When automobile plant
November 21, 2008 - 15:07 ET by NL207When automobile plant assembly workers are receiving higher wages and better benefits than scientists, engineers, business managers, tradesmen and a variety of skilled labor, that is proof there is something very wrong.
The Big 3 need a Chapter 11. This punishes the investors for allowing the present board to sit. It punsihes the Board of Directors by dismissing them. It punishes the executives by elimintating their stock options. The trustees will dissolve the Union contracts under the authority of the Court because they are not in the interests of the creditors. If the Unions strike, they will find themselves in a chapter 7 liquidation. Best of all, that greedy union will be all but dissolved.
God, don't tempt me with
November 22, 2008 - 00:58 ET by SRPwrdGod, don't tempt me with such a beautiful dream!
Why would Toyota and
November 21, 2008 - 15:10 ET by dscottWhy would Toyota and Nissan want former UAW people? They aren't going to want to work the same job for $45/hr. Let's face it those $100/hr or $75/hr jobs are gone for good and those so called green jobs will never pay what they were getting either.
After living on 39 weeks of unemployment pay, any job is going to look good and a change of scenery will be refreshing. It's time for reality to sink in and all those people who were in the Jobs Bank drawing top pay for sitting on the side due to automation are going to stop playing cards and socializing, the jig is up.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Waxing or Waning?
November 21, 2008 - 14:51 ET by Copperhead RidgeThe nation should be alarmed that Waxman won the House Energy and Commerce Committee chairmanship. I think it shows which way the 111th Congress is going to go, and it should send a message to the fine people of Georgia to get behind Saxby Chambliss.
American car manufacturing is about to enter their Yugo age.
Where are our...
November 21, 2008 - 15:18 ET by okiehawk44Where are our Studebakers, DeSotos, Packards? Where is my Oldsmobile or my LaSalle? Where is my Cord or my Deusenberg? Why is no steam coming from my Stanley? Where's my Hudson or my Nash or my Rio?
No, I feel so sorry for those workers in Detroit and Flint. Of course we also felt sorry for the buggy whip makers and the horse-drawn wagoneers too didn't we. Did they go to work making things people wanted to buy or did they just sit and wait for a handout?
The UAW and its members could get creative and boldly band together to buy one or all of the big 3 automakers. Will they?
UAW
November 21, 2008 - 16:12 ET by misterbill"The UAW and its members could get creative and boldly band together to buy one or all of the big 3 automakers. Will they? "
I wouldn't buy a company destined for collapse because of unrealistic concessions to a union. Would you??
Okie
November 21, 2008 - 16:54 ET by MichiganVetThere are a lot of people that work for the Big 3 (and related companies) that are not UAW or union employees.
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
I'm with you, MV
November 21, 2008 - 17:47 ET by 5kidsnadogI'm here in the center of the disaster, and can tell you that there's much more than UAW workers who will be affected if the (medium sized) 3 go down. In fact, I could probably, with a few degrees of separation, show you why you should care about our auto manufacturers. I think this is a case where the dominoe effect could continue throughout this country in pretty short order.
That said, I'm not for giving the automotive companies any money until they've taken this to the limits of what can be done in a free market type situation. There are plenty of professionals who are overpaid, but the unions could also tighten their belts. Get rid of the "job bank", let them meet the real world with their benefits, and reduce the hourly pay to get them more in line with the rest of the industry. Preserve the jobs that can be preserved by coming back to reality.
Right now, the unions are being told that they don't need to give an inch because Obama will get them the money. They're strangling this country, and yet they don't get that they've swallowed the hand and arm that feeds them and are about to get to the vital organs.
That is nice but this is not Socialism
November 21, 2008 - 20:24 ET by PopularTechThis is not socialism but capitalism, if they fail it is because they suck and should fail. The government has no right to bail suck companies out. The dominoe effect is nonsense. So what if suck car dealers go under. Part suppliers are not going anywhere because all these cars will still need to be fixed.
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500% to 1000% more.
November 21, 2008 - 15:34 ET by Red JeepKeep it up. Green regulations and other government mandates have contributed to car prices rising 500% to 1000% in the last 40 years. That’s why people hang on to their cars for 7 to 10+ years, instead of trading every 2 to 3 years. What other product, other than gas, has risen that much?
So, yeah, bring on more green regulations and cars will cost even more and will be even deadlier in a crash due to light construction to meet mile per gallon requirements.
"What other product, other
November 21, 2008 - 15:45 ET by NL207"What other product, other than gas, has risen that much?"
Medicine and Higher Education.
What other
November 21, 2008 - 16:56 ET by MichiganVetHealth care.
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
In 4 years. We'll look
November 21, 2008 - 16:05 ET by danboIn 4 years. We'll look fondly on Jimmy Carter's 4 year term as a time of a stable economy. And a stable dollar and a era of plenty energy.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Joe Klein probably
November 21, 2008 - 18:28 ET by TailgunnerJoe Klein probably couldn't change a tire.
Now he's calling automakers idiots?
It's amazing he can still type, considering where his head has been for the last ten years.
NOLI PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Waxman from Dingell no change here
November 21, 2008 - 16:42 ET by GoodieLook at where both these guys came from, Ca is broke, Mi is broke. Waxman is another "Do Nothing" except hold hearings political zero. Then blames everyone else. Maybe there is change, from bad to terrible and then disaster. Waxman and all the other do nothings should give 25% of salary and benefits back to the Govt.
Obamas last day 1-20-2013!
Goodie, I'm no big fan
November 21, 2008 - 16:52 ET by bigtimerGoodie,
I'm no big fan whatsoever of Dingell, but at least he isn't as nut-case as Waxman is about the environ./greenie bills that some wanted passed, he stopped or sat on quite a few...
Pig-Snout Waxman will not...be prepared.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hypocrisy Abounds
November 21, 2008 - 16:50 ET by MichiganVetPelosi "calling out" auto-makers for not having a plan - yeah, like the great play our lawmakers put together for the economic recovery? Fannie/Freddie?
Waxman replacing Dingell - one nutjob for another - great progess, eh? Oh yeah, and a politician from the great state of Ca. as well.
Having few defenders in the nation's capital is a good thing?
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why the media hates industry, our military, our President, our beliefs. Yet they have no problem making a good living, sleeping in their large homes, safe in the suburbs, driving whatever they choose .... but none of this "privelige" rings home.
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
Why do democrats always remind me of spoiled children?
November 21, 2008 - 18:47 ET by ahusserEven our poor people have more than most. Eighty percent of the world is a 3rd world shithole. That is why this "Hope and Change" crap had me scratching my head like we have been living in this "Hell on Earth" or something, I still can't figure it out. I always thought that the left was prone to delusions and magical thinking not understanding anything about the real world. Maybe the "One" can do something useful. Instead of a civilian defense force maybe make it mandatory for college graduates to do peace corp type work in the 3rd world shithole of their choice for a year or two. Maybe it will open their eyes and appreciate what they have.
"...no civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force." - Bernard Knox
Question: So we shouldn't
November 21, 2008 - 19:01 ET by balboaQuestion: So we shouldn't give Detroit some stipulations to the billions they want?
No, we should NOT give
November 21, 2008 - 19:15 ET by Clear thinkerNo, we should NOT give Detroit money. Period.
Save Conservatism - Dump The GOP?
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Not unless you are a Socialist or Economically Illiterate
November 21, 2008 - 20:29 ET by PopularTechWhich are you?
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Seems like there are a lot
November 21, 2008 - 20:31 ET by balboaSeems like there are a lot of socialists around right now, what with the bailouts of various businesses.
I don't think we should just right a blank check IF we're going to bail out Detroit.
Are you a Socialist or Economically Illiterate?
November 21, 2008 - 20:42 ET by PopularTechYes Bush is a fiscal socialist, I already said this, I asked which one you were.
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I'm economically
November 21, 2008 - 21:03 ET by balboaI'm economically illiterate.
Again, I ask the question, IF we bailout Detroit, should we put NO stipulations on it?
We shouldn't bailout detroit
November 21, 2008 - 21:08 ET by PopularTechLet Detroit Go Bankrupt (The New York Times)
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Stop replying if you're not
November 21, 2008 - 21:25 ET by balboaStop replying if you're not going to answer the question.
I did answer the question
November 21, 2008 - 21:32 ET by PopularTechYour question is irrelevant because we should not bail them out period. Any question as to how we should bail them out is absolutely irrelevant if you understand economics. The economy cannot be planned by central planners with some special bailout policy or requirements. Your question is flawed by it's premise and is nothing but Socialism which has failed.
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No, you didn't. It is
November 21, 2008 - 21:54 ET by balboaNo, you didn't.
It is possible, on this plane of existence, that the government may indeed bail out Detroit. This is an actual probability.
So, given that it MIGHT occur, don't you think the government should put stipulations on the money, or should they just hand it over and say, "Now go have fun, you crazy kids."
Who Cares!
November 21, 2008 - 22:06 ET by PopularTechStipulation to socialism is still socialism. What part of economics do you not understand? Are you under the delusional thinking that some stipulation is going to make damn bit of difference for a socialist policy? Stipulations are central planning, just like bailouts are. Both will fail so it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. If these businesses were viable REGULAR banks would make them the loans.
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Both will fail? Are you
November 21, 2008 - 22:14 ET by balboaBoth will fail? Are you sure?
Yes I am Sure, GM is a Failure
November 22, 2008 - 01:26 ET by PopularTechIf a business cannot fix it's finances without the governments help, it is a failed business and should not exist.
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Bal, I agree with PT, the
November 22, 2008 - 09:24 ET by dscottBal, I agree with PT, the question is irrelevant in terms of Capitalism. However, given that Obama and the Dems must pander to their union constituency even if it eventually will cause it's demise, I will respond. The conditions should be as follows:
The least harmful response would be to as a condition of getting bridge loans to carry them through the short term difficulty, they must declare Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, must do away with the Job Bank, must renegotiate the union contracts to similar levels of Toyota and Nissan, change the health benefit plan to reflect the national average, etc...in other words cut all the uncompetitive benefits and policies that got them into this situation. There will be NO ownership stake in any of these companies for the taxpayer since if they go into chapter 7, you get zilch for your share of stock because bonds, loans and creditors are first in the pecking order to get their money back.
In the end, the only real help for the big 3 is domestic drilling that keeps the price of oil below $60/barrel and gas less than $2/gal. Failing that solution, they are doomed, period. High energy prices are what really derailed the economy, the mortgage meltdown was touched off by this rise IMO when economically marginal people started getting laid off an not paying their mortgages.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Very good post. I agree
November 22, 2008 - 13:01 ET by fitzfongVery good post. I agree with your assessment and could hardly have said it better myself.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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FACT: Only Computer Illiterates believe in "Man-Made" Warming
November 21, 2008 - 20:19 ET by PopularTechFACT: Only Computer Illiterates believe in "Man-Made" Global Warming
"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." - Nikola Tesla, 1934
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Money
November 21, 2008 - 20:30 ET by cocodrieIf the guvmint gave us 30,000 dollars each, we could all buy a new car and save Detroit.
Screw Detroit
November 21, 2008 - 20:39 ET by Copperhead RidgeI'm keeping my money at home. I'll save Georgetown, and I'm not talking about the lair of latte lapping liberals in D.C. I'm talking about the one in Kentucky.
I foolishly bought an American car last year after have never owned one. The thing is an absolute piece of junk. There's always some little problem with it, and there have been some major problems with it, too.
I have a good understanding of Fix On Race Day, now. Found on road dead. Fix or repair daily.
It's the one and only American car I will ever own, and it is getting ready to go up for sale next spring. I've already refused to sell it to family members because I don't want them hating me.
I've got a Mazda with 194,000 miles on it. I've replaced batteries, brakes, and tires. I put nearly 200,000 on a Subaru. I sold a Honda Civic with 112,000 miles on it to a college kid. He's had no problems with it. It was a mistake to sell it, but my family had outgrown it.
Detroit will turn into the world's largest ghost town. It will be the American Atlantis.
Since 1999
November 21, 2008 - 22:55 ET by general companyI have purchased 1Dodge extra cab Pickup over 130,000 miles, would take it anywhere and do. 1 Dodge 2001 Neon, over 140,000 miles on it, only thing we did was change the timing belt at 75k now it is due again. 1 2003 Sebring over 80k on it and nothing just regular maint, we just bought the wife a new Avenger, she loves it. So dont go around suggesting that folks are not satistfied with SOME American cars. We clearly are. BTW since fuel prices have been high, I drive the Neon, still gets about 32mpg.
I dont like bailing them out either, but the 2 Toyotas I bought in the same time frame are long gone dead. I will never buy another!
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
but general don't you think
November 21, 2008 - 23:05 ET by porpoiseboyit's crazy that the unions are in bed with the party that says "people shouldn't drive the type of cars the big3 build?"...isn't suicidal of them to hold hands with the greens and others who are the ones responsible for their demise. they kept building big cars because that's what americans wanted. in fact the japs were always playing catch up in that market. how smart are the workers who listen to their unions and vote for the party most likely to deprive them of their jobs?
"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
If I hear "Green" this or "Green" that...
November 21, 2008 - 22:20 ET by MightyMouthOne more time...well...don't know what I am gonna do, just pray to God you are not the one telling me...
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
It never ceases to amaze me
November 22, 2008 - 00:16 ET by fitzfongIt never ceases to amaze me how economically illiterate frauds like Joe Klown can still manage to be such unapologetic snobs...as if they simply revel in their ignorance. The sad part is that he's not even a decent writer.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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fitz... I have always
November 22, 2008 - 00:29 ET by bigtimerfitz...
I have always wished he had stayed 'Anonymous'.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Ironically, if he hadn't
November 22, 2008 - 00:39 ET by fitzfongIronically, if he hadn't once been "Anonymous", nobody would know who the hell he is. You've heard of "Famous for being famous"? Joe Klown is "Famous for being anonymous".
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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