ABC's "View" co-host Joy Behar dismissively called Joe Wurzelbacher's [Joe the Plumber] dream of owning a plumbing company a "fantasy" on the October 16 program. Co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck called her out on it (audio available here):
JOY BEHAR, co-host: Joe the Plumber doesn't have a business yet, he's fantasizing about a business he's going to have.
ELISABETH HASSELBECK, co-host: Fantasizing?! This is a man who's trying to realize his hard work.
BEHAR: Excuse me! Fantasizing is a very legitimate term to describe somebody who's predicting the future for themselves. Creative visualization, okay.
HASSELBECK: Fantasizing is a dangerous thing to say because it assumes that it is not attainable.
[...]
BEHAR: ...According towhat I understand, Obama plans on taxing you if you have over 250 [thousand dollars] a year income, right. So, Joe the plumber is upset that he won't have an incentive or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But let's just assume that Obama will have a great program, economic program, and everybody will do better, so Joe the Plumber may make a million dollars. So he'll be paying taxes on a million. Would he rather pay taxes on a million or 250?
HASSELBECK: Now that's a fantasy, right there, first of all...
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I have a fantasy of Joy
October 16, 2008 - 15:37 ET by Chris NormanI have a fantasy of Joy Behar having to sit there, unable to utter one word or make a sound, being forced to listen to Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Laura Ingraham discuss politics for an eternity...
McNotObama '08
Fantasy
October 16, 2008 - 15:39 ET by GOPG8RLove it! That is now my new fantasy. I can think about it whenever I happen to hear that voice cackling about one thing or another ...
conservative
October 16, 2008 - 20:17 ET by TruthMongerconservative porn:)! cool
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
The MSM is always on call
October 16, 2008 - 15:37 ET by SRPwrdThe MSM is always on call for a nice character assassination.
mob hits:) Journalism
October 16, 2008 - 20:32 ET by TruthMongermob hits:)
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
Elizabeth
October 16, 2008 - 15:37 ET by GOPG8RHow does she put up with those "ladies"??? Seriously. I wouldn't have lasted anywhere near as long .......
Mandatory comment from mb....
October 16, 2008 - 15:48 ET by motherbeltMandatory comment from mb...
Once again, Joy speaks, and removes all doubt.
Well I read that she has
October 16, 2008 - 15:51 ET by USA4freedomWell I read that she has been divorced since 1981.
Well with her good looks, and an oblivious intellectual, I don’t understand why she can’t find a nice man to settle down with.
I guess that explains the fantasy line a lot, that.. and that closet of size “D” batteries.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Mean and hateful comment warning
October 16, 2008 - 19:39 ET by Indiana Joe"Well with her good looks, and an oblivious intellectual, I don’t understand why she can’t find a nice man to settle down with."
What I don't understand is how did she find a man that would marry her in the first place?
Wait, was it Michael Jackson?
<edit: I just noticed the "oblivious intellectual" line! ;^D Good one, USA!>
Jesus Christ was crucified by "community organizers."
Joy Behar lives a fantasy!
October 16, 2008 - 15:40 ET by IamTinmanJoy Behar lives in a fantasy world where she is witty, pretty and listened to by an admiring throng of sophisticated, well to do, TV viewers.
Is that creepy or what?
fantasizing about a business
October 16, 2008 - 15:41 ET by CarlosSYeah, 'cause once Senator Government is president, Joe's current boss is going to have to lay Joe off because he can't afford the Mandated Government health insurance and the higher taxes..., but Joe is going to be taken care of because Senator Government is going to send Joe a welfare check and some mandated government health insurance that Joe's old boss is going to be forced to pay if he wants to stay in business..., the new American dream! :-(
More like "An American
October 16, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Indiana JoeMore like "An American Nightmare."
Jesus Christ was crucified by "community organizers."
Joy the clueless. "America
October 16, 2008 - 15:45 ET by bigtimerJoy the clueless.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
No kidding, bt. Hey
October 16, 2008 - 15:58 ET by motherbeltNo kidding, bt.
Hey Joy:
a dream is a strongly felt desire or goal;
a fantasy is a creation of the imagination.
The dictionary is your friend. Use it.
Obviously
October 16, 2008 - 15:46 ET by Secret ConservativeJoy Behar got her talking points this morning from the Obama campaign. How can any of these people keep a straight face when they say they are not being directed by the Dem party - in particular the Obama campaign?
And I agree that I would buy tickets to see Whoopi, Rosie and Joy all have to sit quietly and listen to Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham and Phyllis Schlafly talk politics. Maybe we could get Rosie's head to actually EXPLODE!!!!!
Oh Joy.
October 16, 2008 - 15:51 ET by AllRightyJoy Behar is fantasizing about having any form of intelligence.
It has to kill Joy(less)
October 16, 2008 - 16:05 ET by USA4freedomIt has to kill Joy(less) that she argues with Elisabeth all the time.
Elisabeth is drop dead gorgeous, married to a quarterback, smart, (a little mousey, but outnumbered 4 or 5 to one). She has charm and grace and Joy has..
Tell me what does Joy have again?
They even put her between two of the ugliest women on TV, and she still looks like hell.
Then if not being ugly was not bad enough, she argues all of the time.. all I can say is what more could a man want????????
I know, I know, she has to have something going for her.
Maybe she drives a nice car, I don’t know.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
It makes me wonder
October 16, 2008 - 16:36 ET by NorthCoasterIt makes me wonder if she has a nice Bass boat. With a nice Bass boat she could answer the following want ad;
WANTED:
Woman willing to go fishing and possible future relationship. Must have own Bass boat.
She probably wouldn't bait her own hook, too yucky.
Perspective
October 16, 2008 - 15:53 ET by GothampcJoy is a bitter woman. Of course she can't understand someone else having a dream. She lives her life through a prism of bitterness.
Joyless Blowhole............
October 16, 2008 - 15:55 ET by BEGRUNTJoyless Blowhole = Human debris.
A walking talking waste of space.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Joy is fantasizing about
October 16, 2008 - 15:57 ET by mattmJoy is fantasizing about having a brain.
It's not so much about Joe the Plumber
October 16, 2008 - 15:58 ET by Captain BettySee how everything get twisted around in the media?
Now the focus is on Joe the Plumber and his situation instead of what's really the meat of the story; The One's answer.
It doesn't matter if Joe the Plumber was a 10yr old kid asking the question. The One wants to "spread the wealth around" sending a clear message to everyone; If you have some, the government will take it and give it to the have-nots.
EXACTLY
October 16, 2008 - 16:06 ET by cocodrieThe other thing is, this exposes what the democrats really think about the working class.
CapBetty... Good
October 16, 2008 - 16:16 ET by bigtimerCapBetty...
Good point..it isn't lost on all, the msm wants to spin this intentionally the way you say, but a heck of a lot of us out here know it, you know, the silent MAJORITY!
They are in for a big surprise on the 4th in my opinion.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Good for you, BT!
October 16, 2008 - 19:49 ET by Indiana JoeSounds like you've got your determination back. I agree with you, the media is going to be crying a river when the real votes are counted.
They're just trying to discourage the McCain voters. And it's back-firing on them. Just keep an eye on ACORN.
Jesus Christ was crucified by "community organizers."
Yeah I am IJ... I am mad
October 16, 2008 - 20:01 ET by bigtimerYeah I am IJ...
I am mad as hell since after the debate last night, now what I have seen today...you betcha' I'm mad as hell and if anything, I am going to vote against the msm...I'm not taking this anymore.
Btw...you know me better than that...I am voting for all the right reasons...but they just add in to the stew...a lot...in fact, the stew is to the boiling point...they are going to hear from us...loud and clear.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
As it was said by other
October 16, 2008 - 16:14 ET by GameGridAs it was said by other posters above, it's a dream, not a fantasy. I had a dream about opening my own business for years and one that is not typically mentioned when it comes to small businesses, an arcade. I dreamt about it but I also planned it out and as of May this year I have been running it. And despite the way the economy has bounced around we've been doing OK. Not great yet as it takes time (and a lot of money) to get your name out there but I'm glad that I got a chance to start before Senator Government decides to begin an all-out assault on entrepreneurship and the real American Dream. I would love to start making 250k+ a year - that means I could expand, hire more employees, provide better services to my customers and most importantly secure my finances for my family but I wholeheartedly agree with Joe - if you're going to be punished for seeking such success then it really does diminish or remove the desire to become rich.
Congratulations!
October 16, 2008 - 17:09 ET by soulpileCongratulations! Especially on getting your business started before all hell potentially breaks loose.
Right now I dream of owning a small business a few years down the line and am trying to get employed in the business I like so I can have hands-on experience. However, I don't know if I'll be able to actually start anything in the future, so I'm holding off making permanent plans until after the election. Obama's plans are not conducive to mine!
Thanks, I appreciate it. I
October 16, 2008 - 22:29 ET by GameGridThanks, I appreciate it. I got in where it was apparent that things were going to get worse, but I decided on doing it anyways. It's a big risk but I think that the right ideas and the right plan will work even in a down economy. It certainly is more difficult and stressful though. In my situtation, arcades historically do well in downturns, probably because people need an escape from other stressful things so I plan on being well-positioned for whatever happens. I do agree though that Obama does not make me optimistic for the near future with his Marxist ideology.
Ugh!
October 16, 2008 - 16:15 ET by mizflame98Behar is such an elitist heiffer!
“Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula? I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.”
B.H. Obama
What A
October 16, 2008 - 16:15 ET by SquonkamaticWhat a bitch. Do people actually still watch this program? If so, why? Talk about an elitist, condescending snob.
HASSELBECK: Fantasizing is
October 16, 2008 - 16:25 ET by soulpileHASSELBECK: Fantasizing is a dangerous thing to say because it assumes that it is not attainable.
Exactly. Under Obama, this man's dream would be unattainable. Apparantly, Behar understands this.
Joy
October 16, 2008 - 16:29 ET by NorthCoasterWhy would you disrespect someone who has a dream or a plan to improve themselves? Haven't you been there yourself? Are you just looking down your elite nose at a simple plumber?
Many people who have thriving small businesses started out small. If they can buy an existing business, they get the benefit of the original owner's work and continue to service the customers. Everyone wins in this scenario, until punative taxes take the earnings of the business owner. When that happens everyone can just sit back and collect their money from Barak. (sarc off)
"Money for nothing and your chicks for free" --H/T Dire Straits
"Many people who have
October 16, 2008 - 19:59 ET by Indiana Joe"Many people who have thriving small businesses started out small."
I'd go further; many large corporations started out small. Bill Gates started in a garage. What if his "fantasy" had been discouraged by anti-growth government policies?
I know, lots of people hate Windows. But if Microsoft didn't exist, there's no denying the "Information Age" would be very different, and just maybe not as far along.
Jesus Christ was crucified by "community organizers."
C'mon, Joy. This is
October 16, 2008 - 16:43 ET by fitzfongC'mon, Joy. This is America! If a fat, loud, obnoxious, untalented gasbag like you can make millions of dollars sitting at a table gabbing with a bunch of hags, surely a talented plumber can start his own plumbing business.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
fitzfong.blogspot.com
I still like that comment
October 16, 2008 - 16:45 ET by Tim the EnchanterI still like that comment that some other poster made: "Is that cleavage, or is Joy just growing another ass?"
You mean besides the one
October 16, 2008 - 18:32 ET by motherbeltYou mean besides the one she talks out of?
OK...I'm bad.
<slapping own wrist>
Bravo, Elizabeth!
October 16, 2008 - 17:50 ET by GalvanicBEHAR: ...According towhat I understand, Obama plans on taxing you if you have over 250 [thousand dollars] a year income, right. So, Joe the plumber is upset that he won't have an incentive or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But let's just assume that Obama will have a great program, economic program, and everybody will do better, so Joe the Plumber may make a million dollars. So he'll be paying taxes on a million. Would he rather pay taxes on a million or 250?
HASSELBECK: Now that's a fantasy, right there, first of all...
Well done, EH! As I've advised my wife and children, listen carefully to what Leftists say, because they have difficulty knitting a coherent argument. the Behar-Hasselbeck exchange is a classic example.
Not suprisingly, Obama made a similar argument on the post-debate campaign trail, implying that Joe the Plumber's creds are suspect if he plans on earning $250,000 from the business.
But the point Joe was making was that the business itself would be earning over that threshhold amount, and thus the increased tax on the business's income would reduce the incomes of the owner and employees.
BEHAR: ...According towhat I understand,
From a person who never gets any facts right, these words are hilarious.
the real point of the O mans
October 16, 2008 - 17:55 ET by dark_dsthe real point of the O mans exchange with Joe the Plumber is the ANSWER O man gave not who asked the question ..... the answer revealed what is in the OMans heart .. it could have been a crack head asking him ... its the ANSWER that is the problem ... Its the ANSWER .... god I really cant take this much more .. O man makes Bill Clintons teflon look very primitive ... O mans Teflon is clearly the work of extraterrestrials (sp)
Did I mention its the ANSWER
October 16, 2008 - 17:57 ET by dark_dsDid I mention its the ANSWER that matters?
Owning a business?
October 16, 2008 - 17:59 ET by ToddonCapeCodHe won't be able to, after Obama and Biden are through with him, that's for certain!
So he'll be paying
October 16, 2008 - 18:00 ET by dmntd1The first problem (there are lots) with this is, why would he want to make more than $250,000 when the first $50,000 extra he earns won't be seen to an extent that he'll truly benefit. That's almost like getting a pay-cut!
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill
You want a fantasy Behar?
October 16, 2008 - 18:12 ET by TeddyJoe The Plumber, or any man for that matter, giving you the googly eyes.
And That Voice. My God! Fingernails On a Chalkboard 2.0!
Sweet Joyless Dreams, 'Sweetie'
They're trying to sell us a bill of goods!!!
October 16, 2008 - 18:15 ET by mizflame98You have got to read this! Things aren't that good in the Obama camp after all:
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/david_rasbold/2008/oct/15/conversations-with-an-internal-pollster-for-o/
“Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula? I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.”
B.H. Obama
Miz
October 16, 2008 - 18:36 ET by TN MomMiz thanks for the link! Dems stealing the votes with ACORN's help has backfired (there will be MANY prosecutions!) and that was obama's ace in the hole. Hole has imploded!
Saw today on Fox where former FBI agents calling out obama regarding his associations with terrorist Ayers. One FBI agent said it is a DISGRACE that the State of Illinois lets the TERRORIST teach in a public college; teaching young impressionable minds. Obama tried to deny ties to ACORN and Terrorist Ayers but the record speaks louder than obama's cover-up attempts.
Hey miz..thanks for the
October 16, 2008 - 18:40 ET by bigtimerHey miz..thanks for the link and the read, like I've posted elsewhere over time, it's always the internals, and the msm know them too...therefore the desperation...
Don't you just love it?!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
mizflame... I feel
October 16, 2008 - 18:47 ET by Clear thinkermizflame...
I feel somewhat better after reading that. Thank you!
The Case For Not Voting Obama
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
You're welcome all.
October 16, 2008 - 19:24 ET by mizflame98“Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula? I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.”
B.H. Obama
Good link, good read
October 16, 2008 - 20:08 ET by Indiana JoeThis just reinforces what I've been thinking. There wouldn't be so many Obama ads suddenly running if they were really so confident. I'm hearing and seeing more of them now than anytime before. And the MSM wouldn't be exhorting us to "just give up, it's over," if they weren't worried.
This ain't over!
Jesus Christ was crucified by "community organizers."
The 'Liberal' View: Um,
October 16, 2008 - 18:25 ET by TN MomThe 'Liberal' View:
Um, Behar is living in her own fantasy world if she thinks she and her Liberal co-horts can survive without Joe the Plumber. Can't imagine Behar calling on her snotty, elitist buds to fix her broken toilett?
Rest assured Joy, Joe is a
October 16, 2008 - 19:03 ET by BigBRest assured Joy, Joe is a real man and wouldn't piss on the best part of you.....
Now, this might sting just a little bit.....
Joy has a "best part?"
October 16, 2008 - 20:11 ET by Indiana JoeJoy Behar? The Joy Behar?
You're kidding, right?
Jesus Christ was crucified by "community organizers."
Obama's and the
October 16, 2008 - 19:14 ET by Chris NormanObama's and the liberals' mindset of "Big Daddy Government" is the antithesis of entreprenneurship.
McNotObama '08
The View,
October 16, 2008 - 20:23 ET by JPR1when you think about it, is still a viable entity because the personalities of each host appeals to a distinct audience demographic.
We could quibble about Babs,Whoppie and Elizabeth all night.
Joy? She's there so the sub 60 IQ audience members can tune in every morning for a self-esteem boost. Joy will give them a snappy but inane little comment they can use when conversing with their sub 50 IQ friends.
Everybody is happy!
The View
October 16, 2008 - 21:15 ET by crofter07Behar is definitely a SHREW!
Candidates
October 16, 2008 - 21:28 ET by crofter07Dreams From My Father- By Barack H. Obama
Faith Of My Fathers- By John McCain
Which one is fantasy?
Maybe its just me..
October 16, 2008 - 22:03 ET by nwahsBut I worry about smart people, not stupid people. "The View" is given way too much attention here IMO. Its a DUMB ARSE show with a bunch of DUMB ARSE hosts.
I give more credence to Regis and Kelly..
joy behar's fantasy ...
October 16, 2008 - 22:10 ET by pmohbuckfitting into dress less than a size 20
I have no fantasies...
October 16, 2008 - 22:21 ET by MexNobama...that involve ugly fish wife big mouthed no talent stand up wannabe never-was types who shout useful idiot leftist talking points at the top of their big fat lungs in order to insult innocent middle class guys such as Joe the Plumber, who never asked to be thrust into the spot light, let alone the crucible that is "The View"
My fantasies include lady refugees from Mike Hammer novels, Sofia Loren, Latina soap opera stars and other more appealing images including, thankfully enough, my wife.
Let the libs bash Joe. That works in our favor....
Go Joe
October 16, 2008 - 22:38 ET by ACLUSUXI think Joe Plumber wants to pay what he owes but times are too tough for him. It's understandable. He is afraid he will owe more with Obama.
Any increase on Business/Corporate taxes will increase the price you pay for everything.
Obama is not going to raise your taxes. He is going to raise the cost of everything you buy!
That is Obama's indirect tax.
Joe knows this! I know this! Now you know this.
joe plumber
October 16, 2008 - 22:49 ET by bums360expressthe haters sure are acting desperate, attacking a working man. hell, barry wandered into his neighborhood, not the other way around! with all this attention, i predict this guy will make it big time. hope behar falls on her ass!
Now Behar is fantazising
October 17, 2008 - 01:12 ET by caiobabeThis is actually petty that the cow herself would be spewing more dem talking points and doing Biden's work which is to minimalize Joe the plumber.
She should go back to worrying if Krispy Kremes stock has fallen.
The Blohar Fantasy
October 17, 2008 - 06:23 ET by SickofLibsThe heck with Joe the plumber and his measly 250K dream.
You want a real fantasy? Here's one: imagine you are a totally uniformed, abrasive, nasty, hate-spewing whackjob and someone is actually willing to pay you well over a million a year for it. And no license required!
And Blohar thinks she's underpaid.
Behar's State
October 17, 2008 - 08:41 ET by FormerMarineOfficerIsn't complete puzzlement her normal state of being?
I love America!!!!
October 17, 2008 - 10:55 ET by pummybecause only here can a no talent fat azzz dumb beetch manage to make stack of money and be self relevant.
pummy--
October 17, 2008 - 11:01 ET by misterbillwelcome-- I know we are not supposed to correct spelling , but the big gray animal with the big honker is an ELEPHANT not a RELEVANT!!!! tee hee!