Forget questions about her Pentecostal roots or mockery of her term as a small town mayor. The latest symptom of Palin Derangement Syndrome (PDS) may be painting the female Republican governor as an enemy of women, and no, it's not just vis-a-vis the typical pro-choice talking points.
In his September 15 article, ABCNews.com's Justin Rood looks at how "Critics Question Palin's Record on 'Epidemic' Rape, Domestic Violence in Alaska.":
Evangelicals and social conservatives have embraced McCain's vice presidential pick for what they call her "pro-family," "pro-woman" values. But in Alaska, critics say Gov. Sarah Palin has not addressed the rampant sexual abuse, rape, domestic violence and murder that make her state one of the most dangerous places in the country for women and children.
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Story Continues Below Ad ↓Despite the governor's pro-family image, public safety experts and advocates for women and children struggled when asked to explain how Palin's leadership has helped address the crisis. And current and former officials from Palin's administration confirmed that an ambitious plan to tackle the crisis has apparently sunk into doldrums after arriving at the governor's office.
The evidence Rood found for Palin being oblivious to or apathetic towards sexual violence and domestic abuse? She didn't spend enough tax money on the problem:
Several victims' advocates noted that Palin did agree to a two percent increase in funding for victim assistance this year. But a March study by a state task force found that level of funding only covered the cost of helping women and children hurt by the epidemic of sexual violence. It was not enough to try to prevent assaults from happening - or to ensure "accountability of offenders," as the panel phrased it.
—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters



















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charging victims for forensic exams
September 15, 2008 - 17:27 ET by nicholas nicklebywell, you know that, as mayor of Wasilla, she oversaw a change in police administration that charged rape victims for their own forensic exams as a way to save money. As far as I know, she didn't try to save money by charging robbery victims for collecting fingerprint evidence. So the charge that Sarah Palin has a questionable record on rape seems valid.
nice half truth NN
September 15, 2008 - 17:34 ET by wizardjrThey charge the victims for medical procedures that the victim can then charge to their health insurance. I guarantee you that anyone who can't afford it gets State aid.
Now let's go for the brass ring - who brought that policy into action? I'll bet it was the city council, not the mayor that enacted it. Those sort of things are not the mayor's to just willy-nilly enact without participation from the city council and often controlled by county regulation and state law.
the trail of evidence leads to Palin's signature
September 15, 2008 - 17:48 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Wizardjr.,
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Palin ousted a police chief who didn't charge for rape kits, installed a police chief who did charge for rape kits, and then signed off on his budget okaying the new policy of charging victims for their forensic exams. Nothing about the city council in that, as far as I know. (Someone else once argued that it's not the mayor's role to micromanage subordinates, but it is her job to choose those subordinates on the basis of not having to micromanage them--and it should be her job to read fully anything she's going to affix her name to.)
(Read more about the story from Wasilla's hometown paper: http://www.frontiers...)
As for charging the victim's insurance company, first, as the police chief notes in that article, they did try to charge the insurance company "when possible"--he doesn't say anything about the state paying for anything when it's not possible, and his answer does open up the possibility.
But secondly, and more importantly, have you ever heard of a police department charging the home owner's or renter's insurance company for collecting fingerprint evidence in the case of a robbery? They didn't do that in Wasilla.
Which adds up to the fact that, when Palin was mayor of Wasilla, prosecuting rape charges got just a little harder--a little more expensive--for the people who might have been raped in the first place.
Nicholas, where'd you get your info?
September 15, 2008 - 19:16 ET by AlexaShruggedWhere did you read that the previous police chief did NOT charge for rape kits and that Sarah Palin herself signed off on a new policy to charge rape victims? The article you link to says none of that. It doesn't even mention her name.
You note that the police chief doesn't say "anything about the state paying for anything when it's not possible" - so we really don't know if they then charge the rape victim or if the police dept. takes the cost.
Rather than houses and finger prints, I think a better analogy would be if the victim of a drunk driving crash has their insurance billed for evidence collecting - or someone assaulted in a non-sexual way. I do not know the answers to those.
Anyway, I'm hoping you can provide some citations for what you've said.
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Alexa makes a valid point.
September 15, 2008 - 19:26 ET by Clear thinkerAlexa makes a valid point. NOWHERE in the article does the name Sarah Palin appear. Sounds to me like this is something the Sheriffs dept set-up. Another non-story!
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citation, clarification, agreement (not in that order!)
September 15, 2008 - 21:40 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Alexa, Thanks for your clarifying questions.
I agree with you that we don't 100% know what the protocol was for charging; it could very well be that the city's police department kicked in if the victim didn't have insurance. (Although, as pointed out in the article, other criminal investigations do not even get charged to the victim's insurance in the first place.)
The main claim that I have to prove here is that a) this was a new policy, and b) Mayor Palin signed off on the new policy. (You and I agree, I think, that this was the policy, according to Police Chief Fannon in that article.)
If you go to Wasilla's website, they have a page for recently requested documents (http://www.cityofwas...), including one about charging rape victims which concludes that no one was charged, though as I note in my response to Nkviking75, that raises the question of why Fannon was supporting a policy that he (or someone) was evidently not enforcing.
But that's, of course, not my point--my point is merely to indicate that this was a new policy, approved (or ignored) by Palin.
If you go to the Wasilla website, and slog through the yearly Annual Financial Reports, you'll see that the previous Police Chief Irl Stambaugh has included a line item "contingency" cost for such exams: in his last year (1996-97), the contingency budget was $13,000 of which he spent $11,625 (p. 58).
(Full disclosure: I was directed to these files by an article at HuffPo (http://www.huffingto...), from which I also take the claim that "contingency" has to do with forensic exams. However, they didn't include page numbers, so that bit of research is mine.)
The following year (1997-1998), with Fannon in charge, the "contingency" fund shrunk to $7,298, and he spent $3,454 (p. 41); in 1998-1999, Fannon requested $3,000 and spent only $205 (p. 41), which is great fiscal responsibility, but which raises the question: how did he save the money?
Now, I think there's an answer here--and I don't think it's that the police weren't paying for rape kits. (Although I still don't get why Fannon defended the policy his department was not enforcing). Because no "contingency" line reappears in the later Annual Reports, my guess is that, after 2000, rape forensics services got lumped together with another line, like "other professional services."
Of course, that raises the question of why the "contingency" line shrunk so precipitously in the first place (instead of being eliminated all at once, with the cost placed onto another area of the budget), and it also leaves the question of why Fannon was defending the policy.
So, I intend to prove (a) that this was a new policy by showing that Stambaugh had a line item in the budget to pay for forensics, which shrunk under Fannon, who declares that his policy to not pay saves the tax-payers money. Or to put it really quickly: Stambaugh claims he didn't charge, Fannon claims he did, therefore it's a new policy that was instituted under Mayor Palin (if we trust what they say).
Now, as for proving (b) that this policy was approved or ignored by Palin (which is the problem that Nkviking75 raised), the budgets for each year are signed by Palin (literally: signed), so she must have either been aware of the shrinking "contingency" fund for rape forensics exams or she must have ignored the fact that they were shrinking.
(We can argue about which is worse--making it policy to charge victims or being unaware that your appointee is making it policy to charge victims.)
Now, part of my argument falls apart if, as I suppose above (and hope), the city was paying for forensics out of another line of the police budget. It would make me feel more comfortable to know that was the case; and I would also like an explanation of why Fannon was defending the policy if he (or someone) wasn't enforcing it.
(As I said, not water-tight--have at!)
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Questions
September 15, 2008 - 22:30 ET by AlexaShruggedWithout having time tonight to look into this too thoroughly, some questions/concerns come to mind - need a confirmation other than HuffPost that "contingency" was only for rape kits. Also, was it clear to the next police chief that "contingency" money was supposed to be used for rape kits? Did Palin know that "contingency" referred to rape kits? These are big questions because "contingency" usually refers to extraneous or even emergency costs. Also, if the budget already included thousands for rape kits, why wouldn't the police just use that money?
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the internet offers no conclusive proof!
September 15, 2008 - 23:04 ET by nicholas nicklebyAfter looking through the Wasilla budget, which isn't super-helpful all the time, I spent some time looking around online for news stories about this, which also was not entirely conclusive.
Some people (Democrat ex-Gov Knowles and Dem Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein) have come forward to claim that Wasilla actually did charge people for this forensic service. One of the (Democratic) legislators who proposed the state bill to outlaw that practice said he heard rumors about Wasilla charging for rape kits, and then someone came forward with an insurance bill listing the charge for the rape kit, at which point he moved forward to propose the bill.
However, that's all I can find online at this moment. Here's hoping some proof is uncovered that can substantiate these rumors one way or another; or that Gov. Palin comments on these claims. Fannon has not been reached by phone for comment.
And herein "Some people
September 16, 2008 - 15:15 ET by Dan The Man 2And herein "Some people (Democrat ex-Gov Knowles and Dem Ketchikan Mayor Bob
Weinstein) have come forward to claim that Wasilla actually did charge
people for this forensic service. One of the (Democratic) legislators
who proposed the state bill to outlaw that practice said he heard
rumors about Wasilla charging for rape kits, and then someone came
forward with an insurance bill listing the charge for the rape kit, at
which point he moved forward to propose the bill." lies your problem. The word is Democrat which is synomous with liar.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
well
September 16, 2008 - 15:40 ET by nicholas nicklebyas I said (in the title of that comment), there was no conclusive proof that would be acceptable on this board.
and
I won't argue that Democrats don't lie, but let's just be clear: right
now, the Republicans have a much worse record: did you hear the latest
claim a McCain aide made, that McCain invented or was responsible for
the invention of the Blackberry?
(That right there almost knocks
out my favorite current lie, the one about Palin saying "Thanks but no
thanks" to the bridge--but that might still be my favorite because,
even after it's exposed as a lie, she keeps on telling it.)
But as I said, we'll have to wait until there's some conclusive proof on whether or not Sarah Palin was responsible for a change in policy that saw rape victims charged for their own forensic exams.
Wrong question
September 15, 2008 - 20:11 ET by WingletDriver". . .more importantly, have you ever heard of a police department charging the home owner's or renter's insurance company for collecting fingerprint evidence in the case of a robbery?"
Actually, a more appropriate question is whether the police or city pay for personal injuries. Rape involves physical and psychological damage and is treated medically (as well as with a criminal investigation). So if a woman is abused by a boyfriend or husband, are the police expected to pay for her medical treatment? Nope. The police will use the medical examination as part of their case, but that examination is paid for by the insurance company (including Medicare or Medicaid), some charity or the hospital.
investigation vs. recuperation
September 15, 2008 - 20:27 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi WingletDriver,
I think you're confusing two issues here, investigation and recovery. Let's look at the analogy again:
If you get sexually assaulted, the police do not pay your medical bills. Similarly, if you get robbed, the police do not pay you the value of your lost goods.
So, we can conclude: the police do not pay for recovery in most cases. (And here's hoping you have medical/property insurance to cover that cost.)
If you get robbed, the police do pay for the cost of a fingerprint forensics kit. That is, they pay for investigation in the case of robbery.
So, why should the police make the victim pay the investigation cost in the case of rape?
Because it's funny,
September 15, 2008 - 20:54 ET by SchnikeysBecause it's funny, nickleby. That's what they get for being stupid enough to put themselves in a position where they get raped. Obviously, given your questioning, you're one of these people.
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"My morality is your morality."
WTF?!
September 15, 2008 - 21:29 ET by AlexaShruggedWhy would you say something so horrendous, Schnikeys???
http://www.AlexaShrugged.com
Bad sarcasm.
September 16, 2008 - 02:24 ET by SchnikeysBad sarcasm. Apologies.
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"My morality is your morality."
good save
September 16, 2008 - 12:12 ET by nicholas nicklebya better remark than the one you posted last night, which was, iirc, "What's so horrendous about it?"
Actually, you are more than
September 15, 2008 - 21:10 ET by dmntd1Actually, you are more than 100% incorrect on this matter.... let me explain, as one of the "outside investigators"...
If the police department comes to investigate any crime in your residence/business/vehicle/etc, and their crime scene techs (any number of names) shows to do the evidence collection, this is considered part of the budget of the local police force.
If, however, a meth-lab is discovered on your property, the police (in the state of Illinois, not sure about the other 56 states), will generally NOT process any of that crime scene. They instead call on one of the not-so-local, outside investigatory companies that come in with all of the precautionary measures (think haz-mat suits, and bomb-resistant apparel) to carefully disassemble the lab, preserving the evidence as best they can. The state pays that bill, and turns around to collect that money from the property owner.
Difference between the two? Internal and external collection requirements. If you want the state to collect the rape kits for free, be prepared for a cop to swab the genitalia of the victim.
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now you're confusing criminals with victims!
September 15, 2008 - 21:45 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi dmntd1, (dementedone?)
the problem with your example is that the people who run the meth lab are criminals--so, no, the state doesn't pay for them.
whereas in the case of rape, Fannon is defending charging the victims--not the criminals, but the victims. (he does say that he would like to charge the rapists, but that just raises the question: why doesn't he? why is he defending charging the victims of rape first?)
Rape Kits
September 15, 2008 - 23:44 ET by merlin61I believe rape kits are provided by hospitals or the
state and the police officer or matron bring the
the rape victim to the hospital with the rape kit and the
hospital retrieves the evidence from the victim,
and the evidence is then given to the police
in the crime kit to then submit to the crime lab.
I have never heard of anyone ever being charged
for a rape kit. Charges may be incurred by the
victim, by the hospital, for their services, which is
then up to the victim to pay either with insurance
or if they are indigent, I'm sure the service is
provided free by the hospital.
I worked for a police dept for 30 yrs, and that's
how it works. This Huff Post and Newspaper
information is just bogus. The rape kit itself
probably costs about $5 if that, its cardboard
with instructions inside,requesting what tests
should be done, and the cardboard box is
for collection purposes for the hospital
ER. They probably submit the slides, tubes,
etc. the obtain from the victim.
but the history contradicts your suppositions
September 16, 2008 - 00:09 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Merlin61,
In some ways, your suppositions are good: a large part of the rape kit is for the collection of evidence (bags and vials and fingernail scrapers), and it does include instructions, and the medical exam is often performed by a nurse and/or doctor at a hospital (all of this, which agrees with your supposition, is perhaps untrue--it's from wikipedia!: http://en.wikipedia....).
However, if the rape kit was so cheap, then surely Police Chief Fannon would not have said that paying for them would cost the city $5,000 to $14,000 a year.
In fact, if rape kits were provided by hospitals free of charge, then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all, since this whole issue started with the information that the Alaskan legislature had passed a bill making it illegal for the Police Department in Wasilla to charge for rape kits in the first place.
As I've pointed out before, the Palin-appointed Police Chief Fannon clearly supports the position victims should be charged for their own forensic exams in the case of rape: http://www.frontiers...
(Nobody has refuted Fannon's statements, and that seems to put the kibosh on your central supposition, that rape kits are not in the police's purview--if Fannon is weighing in on the matter and if the Alaskan Legislature is passing a law to make it illegal for police departments to charge for rape kits, then I think we have to agree that rape kits are in the police's purview.)
What about me?
September 15, 2008 - 21:31 ET by AlexaShruggedAre you going to reply to my post above, Nicholas?
http://www.AlexaShrugged.com
your post
September 15, 2008 - 21:35 ET by nicholas nicklebyhi Alexa, I am working on my response to your post right now. It is longer, and I'm sure you'll agree when you read it, not a water-tight case.
(I want to be up-front with that--the evidence I have is not 100%; I'm hoping you'll poke some holes in it's weak spots, so that I can patch it before, well, before setting sail, to continue the metaphor.)
I noticed that you. . .
September 15, 2008 - 21:34 ET by WingletDriverignored the analogy of an abused woman, which is more appropriate than your reaching analogy.
Bottom line, abuse and rape are much closer than robbery and rape.
okay, abuse
September 15, 2008 - 21:55 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Winglet,
Okay, if you call the police to intervene in a domestic dispute or case of abuse, do you pay for the evidence-gathering that the police do if it becomes a criminal case?
In fact, do the victims pay for the forensic examinations that the police do in any crimes?
I didn't mean to ignore your analogy, but I think you can probably compare this to any other crime that involves physical harm and a criminal investigation. If you get shot, do you pay for the gunpowder and rifling analyses? If you get hit by a car, do you pay for the car-paint analysis?
Is there any crime for which a police chief could say, "I think the victim should pay for the forensics" and not get laughed out of office?
Once again, you're ignoring the analogy
September 16, 2008 - 06:06 ET by WingletDriverIf a victim is abused, the police will not pay for the medical examination, but they will use that exam as evidence in the case.
As for the forensics part of the case, there was nothing in the article that implied they expected victims to pay for DNA testing, fingerprinting or other crime scene investigation. It's amazing that something so cruel and heartless as this was somehow overlooked by her political opponents, local media and every Alaskan for how many years. It's amazing how the reporter doesn't try to claim that Wasilla is the only city in the country who charges insurance companies for this. When you hear something that's to fantastic to be true, you might want to approach with a bit of skepticism.
if the exam provides evidence
September 16, 2008 - 10:32 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi WingletDriver,
I understand your point with the analogy of abuse--that is, in a case of abuse, if the medical exam produces evidence, the police don't suddenly pick up the bill.
But I guess we're talking about evidence that doesn't get picked up in an exam/recovery, like DNA testing (of fingernail scrapings).
As for how many years people ignored it, it looks like the policy started around 1998-99, and the Legislature ruled on it in 2000, so, there's definitely some lag, but not that long. It seems like as soon as some support groups got evidence, they acted.
(What I find amazing isn't so much the policy but that the police chief she installed, Fannon, defended the policy in public.)
As for whether other cities try to do this, it's very likely they once did--Congress, I believe, passed a bill in 2005 making it illegal for police departments to charge for rape kits.
(Also, why would someone want to make it more difficult for a rape kit to be supplied to a victim? Apparently, the common protocol involving a rape kit is to provide a "morning after" pill to the victim. Since Palin has already come out against abortion in the case of rape, perhaps the policy to charge for rape kits had to do with this step. This is just a possibility, and we'll have to hear what she says about it all.)
Your last question. . .
September 16, 2008 - 16:29 ET by WingletDriverand the speculation behind it would have been a good place for an investigative reporter to have delved into (as were some of the other questions you began positing elsewhere). The fact that this "reporter" left it (and the others) open to interpretation tells me that he was either stupid or duplicitous. He is begging for the reader to interpret something he could have investigated. That's not reporting.
In the absence of evidence, he expects us to automatically assume the worst about this situation. The fact that her Democratic gubernatorial candidate didn't (or couldn't) use this effectively 2 years ago is a red flag. The fact that BHO and his campaign isn't using this is another. The fact that the MSM isn't going anywhere near this story. . .well, I'm sure you get the point.
City of Wasilla debunks rape kit charge
September 15, 2008 - 20:22 ET by nkviking75"Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Palin...signed off on his budget okaying the new
policy of charging victims for their forensic exams. Nothing about the
city council in that, as far as I know."
First of all, in most cities the budget would first have to be voted upon by the city council or equivalent body.
Second, here's a link to an official webpage from the city of Wasilla. You'll see the list of links to PDF files. Click on the first one, and you'll see that the city has no records of such billings. Also, after 8/13/2000 state law would have prohibited such a practice.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
thanks for the pdfs
September 15, 2008 - 21:35 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Nkviking75,
Thanks for the link--I was just about to post the link to the city documents in my response to AlexaShrugged. (I'm still writing that answer--in that answer I address your first concern about Palin signing off on the budget.)
You are right, the first pdf directly addressing this issue does deny that anyone or any insurance company was charged for a rape kit, and the pdf does go on to note that after 2000 it would have been illegal to do so.
So, according to the Wasilla records, no one was
charged--but according to Fannon, charging people was still the policy, and the Governor had to step in to outlaw this policy.
Which, of course, raises two questions: why did the Governor of Alaska make a law to make it illegal if no one was doing it?; and why did Police Chief Fannon defend the procedure in that article and claim that changing that policy would cost tax-payers if he, in fact, was not following the policy?
That second question is particularly curious to me. If they weren't doing it, why is Fannon defending it? (It could be one of those policies that don't get enforced, but in that case, whose policy was it, and why wasn't it enforced?) And why is he defending it on a financial basis if, in fact, the police are not charging the victims but paying for it themselves? (I.e., if the police department was already footing the bill, then it already cost tax-payers--so if no one was charged for a rape kit, why is Fannon claiming that it would cost the tax-payers more to pay for the rape kits that they were already paying for?)
For more about the financial aspect, see my response to AlexaShrugged.
Those would have. . .
September 15, 2008 - 21:48 ET by WingletDriverbeen great questions for an investigative reporter to ask when he was putting together this little hit piece.
None
September 15, 2008 - 23:49 ET by merlin61nicholas nickleby go troll somewhere else.
We don't care what Huffpo says, nor any other
site-----run by the nutroots.
WTF???
September 15, 2008 - 17:28 ET by wizardjr"It was not enough to try to prevent assaults from happening - or to ensure "accountability of offenders," as the panel phrased it."
Accountability of offenders is called "JAIL" idiot. As to preventing assaults, these libtards take everything out of context. The number of assaults of all kinds is higher there, particularly in the dark winter months. It's a world wide phenomena. Ask some of the guys from the up north work crews what its like doing a winter tour. Think Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
wizard...you said it
September 15, 2008 - 17:35 ET by bigtimerwizard...you said it all.
These desperate critters are really grasping at straws...
I suppose they are next going to try and tie her in with the Northern Lights and somehow something bad of that...or the tsunami warnings/via earthquakes that happen regularly in Ak. or the Valdez oil spill...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
fear-mongering this
September 15, 2008 - 19:33 ET by TruthMongerfear-mongering
this allegedly used to be the Bush approach - they said
oh well - if you can't beat em...
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
This is another shameless
September 15, 2008 - 17:30 ET by rbosqueThis is another shameless hit-piece designed to horrify women voters and to steer them to Obama.
rbosque
September 15, 2008 - 17:57 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, we all know how tough Obama is on crime.
Example:
NO - SB 485 (1999) (State)
To give no offer of “good time” for sex offenders sentenced
to the County Jail.
*Obama was the only vote against this measure
PALIN/McCain 2008
Don't forget what a tough
September 15, 2008 - 18:22 ET by Clear thinkerDon't forget what a tough decision maker he is. I mean, how else do you explain him voting 'present' over 100 times.
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Attendance Award
September 15, 2008 - 18:29 ET by Sergeant ROCKDon't knock the 'U.S. Senate Attendance Award'.
Suitable for framing.
PALIN/McCain 2008
Hey Clear.How are ya
September 15, 2008 - 18:54 ET by sjanus11Check out post on top I just posted, Am I in trouble for breaking topic Sorry LOL No Crow tonight, I have been on this all day and called it in to 3 diff talk shows and they brought it up, but no MSM, you got anything on this? It could be Huge. What ya think...Steve
"If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain" Sir Winston Churchhill
Steve... I just commented
September 15, 2008 - 19:07 ET by Clear thinkerSteve...
I just commented on this post you put in another thread. It will be big, but it will take a few days for the media to catch up. At least the media that's NOT in the tank for Obama.
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Palin's not tough enough, eh?
September 15, 2008 - 17:31 ET by Gary HallPalin's not tough enough, eh? Perhaps she's just giving Bill Clinton a break. (;~/ gary
Gary ... Bingo! Good
September 15, 2008 - 17:37 ET by bigtimerGary ...
Bingo!
Good one...you have me cracking up laughing!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt.. but did we get you to that..
September 15, 2008 - 18:10 ET by Gary Hallbt.. but did we get you to that.. ROFLOL place. gary
Which critics are these
September 15, 2008 - 17:38 ET by IamTinmanThe 80% that approve of Governor Palin, or the minority that disapprove or the reporters who are looking for any way they can to generate a headline.
It seems that any criticism of Sarah Palin always leads back to a very few people all connected to the democrat party of Alaska.
Well if Palin is
September 15, 2008 - 17:39 ET by MidAmericaWell if Palin is responsible for the rapes in Alaska then obama must be at least somewhat accountable for all the murders in the Chicago area.
Governors/Presidents Don't Vote On Legislation Morons!
September 15, 2008 - 17:44 ET by CrashBut ... if McCain/Palin are really an extension of Bush/Cheney (as the leftists love to say), who closed down the Hussein brother's rape rooms, wouldn't that make her anti-rape by default?
Also, I don't recall a single news story on this Alaskan "rape epidemic", which by percentage is probably exceedingly disproportionately higher in major US cities, not to mention the 57 islamic states where victims are imprisoned or stoned to death.
more nonsense
September 15, 2008 - 18:10 ET by iveseenitallMore "liberal" claptrap. These clowns are really grasping at straws. Could it be they are in a panic over Palin? Is the Pope a Catholic?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Mary Mapes adds her "Credibilty" to this story
September 15, 2008 - 22:17 ET by markbHere's Mary Mapes of Rathergate fame weighing in on this story over at HuffingtonPost.
http://www.huffingto...
Rathergate was an October Surprise planned for Bush in 2004. A memo was "found" that questioned his character. LGF readers figured out it was not typed on a Vietnam era IBM Selectric, but was written in Microsoft Word.
http://littlegreenfo...!
Mapes and Rather both lost their jobs over this. Sure, CBS said Rather retired.
Breaking Treasonous news/ Sorry for breaking topic
September 15, 2008 - 18:51 ET by sjanus11Have You seen this from Ny Post
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/po ... 129150.htm
Read and pass it, I am so Enraged he has put our Troops in Harms Way For Politics..........He is PURE EVIL and if this does not convince you that he is willing to sacrafice HUMAN Lives to win................then you go down with him.....If there is any justice in the world , this should be final nail in coffin amd
Team Mc, Lipstick better come out firing both barrels on this....Steve
Also 12 Hrs later Drudge finnaly links To post story which was pulled when Market tanked............Google.........No MSM following also check this out It's a Crime!!!!
The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.
The text of the Act is broad and is addressed at any attempt of a US citizen to conduct foreign relations without authority. However, there is no record of any convictions or even prosecutions under the Logan Act.[1][2]
Steve
"If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain" Sir Winston Churchhill
Read it on Fox website
September 15, 2008 - 19:19 ET by well99MSM will sweep it under the rug.
Liberals lecturing us on
September 15, 2008 - 19:42 ET by wiwfLiberals lecturing us on how to deal with rapists? LOL!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Throw the treasonous bastard in the federal slammer.
September 15, 2008 - 19:49 ET by R D HelmAnd I am not kidding.
Where is the Bush "Justice" Department.?
Where are the gutless republicans on this?
-Dave.
I agree with RD Helm
September 16, 2008 - 00:46 ET by SO.CAL.GuyObama is nothing but a slimy politician' in the truest since of the word. Look at whose running his campaign David Axelrod, the king of Chicago political hit men. Chicago politics have all ways been corrupt. Obama fits right in with the rest of them. so I am not surprised at this. All Obama cares about is advancing his political agenda. If a few solders get killed who cares he will blame it on bush. I mean this guy supports infanticide as long as it's in the course of a botched abortion. Just throw the baby in that garbage till it dies.The man is sick
Obama is a lying hypocritical bastard!
September 16, 2008 - 08:08 ET by c5thenNot only was he willing to lose a war and declare defeat in order to help his primary campaign, but now he is playing politics with the troops and trying to use them as pawns in his presidential campaign.
This is lower than low and should be broadcast everywhere so all can see him for what he is.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
damn statistics
September 16, 2008 - 04:45 ET by Agnostichttp://www.alaska.com/adn/front/story/9396684p-9310016c.html
An AP article, which shouldn't have been hard to find, had this to say:
JUNEAU -- Alaska has famously ranked among the top states in the nation for the last three decades when it comes to rape and sexual assault statistics.
That's why officials were pleasantly surprised to find Alaska was ahead of the national average when it comes to prosecuting offenders when such abuse happened in the state's schools.
Three decades this has been a problem in Alaska and if left to believe the media it is because Mayor then Governor Palin did nothing to stop it. Someone please remind me of her inexperience again since she has obviously now been in office long enough to change a social problem developing for over 30 years.