For most of us, the choice of plastic bags at the grocery store aisle doesn't equal the moral depravity of canicide. Yet for some reason, a cheeky writer for Time magazine suggested as much in her story on "The Patron Saint of Plastic Bags" (emphasis mine):
In the pantheon of lost causes, defending the plastic grocery bag would seem to be right up there with supporting smoking on planes or the murder of puppies. The ubiquitous thin white bag has moved squarely beyond eyesore into the realm of public nuisance, a symbol of waste and excess and the incremental destruction of nature. But where there's an industry at risk, there's an attorney, and the plastic bag's advocate in chief is Stephen L. Joseph, head of the quixotically titled Save the Plastic Bag campaign.
Yes, that's how Time's Belinda Luscombe began her July 27 article, going further than even NBC's Brian Williams who famously found "paper or plastic?" a "paralyzing" quandary.
Nevermind that many grocery stores do encourage plastic bag recycling or that many consumers find secondary use for plastic bags around the house, particularly dog owners who scoop up after Fido on neighborhood walks.
We find out from Luscombe herself that Joseph is hardly a right-wing opponent of the environmental movement:
[I]n 2003 he sued Kraft Foods to prevent the sale of Oreo cookies to children under the age of 11 in California, on the grounds that they were full of trans fat. While he didn't win the court battle, he clearly won the war; Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed an anti-trans-fat bill into law on July 25. Earlier, Joseph sued San Francisco's parking department to get the agency to remove graffiti from its signs, and he was an anti-litter activist. Graffiti and litter - including, say, plastic shopping bags - live on, so he's batting about .300.
But that is no matter to Luscombe. Joseph's departure from green orthodoxy puts him at risk of being a pariah from polite society:
However perusasive his arguments, Joseph's task may be Canute-like. In June, China banned shops throughout the country from giving out free plastic bags and banned the production, sale and use of any plastic bags less than one-thousandth of an inch thick. Bhutan banned the bags on the grounds that they interfered with national happiness. Ireland has imposed a hefty 34-cent fee for each bag used. Both Uganda and Zanzibar have banned them, as have 30 villages in Alaska. Scores of countries have imposed or are considering similar measures.
Joseph labors on nevertheless, undaunted by the tide or by what his Marin County neighbors must think. "I've told a lot of people that I'm trying to save the plastic bag," he says. "They look at me with horror." But he says that no, he has not seen a drop-off in dinner-party invitations. "This is not an issue that belongs in the left bucket or the right bucket. It's about truth. And I'm determined to make it register."
—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters



















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Especially if...
July 29, 2008 - 10:58 ET by Dr_LibertyEspecially if you put the puppy into the plastic bag with some bricks, tie the bag tight and throw the bag in a river.
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Dinner parties?
July 29, 2008 - 11:01 ET by Dr_LibertyHmmm... odd comment there.
Mr. Joseph would expect to see a drop off in invitations to dinner parties? Now we truly know what motivates these people.
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Bhutan banned bags because
July 29, 2008 - 11:08 ET by taterBhutan banned bags because they affected happiness??? I think we found the country we can ship all the liberals.
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I have yet to figure out
July 29, 2008 - 13:39 ET by kgI have yet to figure out why they picked on plastic grocery bags while the bubble packaging that is thick and dangerous to try to cut open as well as soda and water bottles get a pass. One bubble package could make 500 grocery bags.
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Yes, KG, but AlGore and his
July 29, 2008 - 13:44 ET by bassndudeYes, KG, but AlGore and his equals need the bubble wrap to protect their Oscars and Nobel prizes...:-)
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
They are also picking on
July 29, 2008 - 13:47 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsThey are also picking on the water bottles, claiming they last 'forever'.
Oops, meant to link here.
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claiming they last
July 29, 2008 - 14:17 ET by motherbeltclaiming they last 'forever'.
Here's a newsflash for these people:
In a landfill, everything lasts forever!!!
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Some Americans have too
July 29, 2008 - 11:14 ET by ConservativeRexSome Americans have too much time on their hands and not enough to keep them busy to be able to think up crap like this.
These are the folks that will be hardest hit if ever hard times hit us again. I pity them really. They've never been taught anything of any importance.
Plastic Bags
July 29, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Long Island PeteWasnt the whole idea of plastic bags instituted in order to save the trees the libs love to hug?
Exactly, LI Pete!
July 29, 2008 - 15:25 ET by Indiana JoeNot only to save the trees, but there was all the pollution from the pulp mills causing acid rain in the Northeast, IIRC. Or some such drivel.
You really gotta love these greenies. The plastic bag was THEIR solution to the "problems" associated with paper bags. Now they're campaigning against their own idea. But they have to have something to protest, some way we're "destroying the planet."
Once more bitten by the law of unintended consequences.
Wasnt the whole idea of
July 29, 2008 - 15:33 ET by motherbeltWasnt the whole idea of plastic bags instituted in order to save the trees the libs love to hug?
Leave it to libs to worry about using a RENEWABLE resource....better to make plastic from petroleum....
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Mr. Joseph sounds more like
July 29, 2008 - 11:28 ET by MassConservMr. Joseph sounds more like an opportunist than any type of ideologist. Pity that he found himself on the wrong side of green, or maybe that should be the wrong "shade" of green.
Perhaps he'll rethink his greedy ways and step back into line. ;-)
pastic bags are made from waste gases
July 29, 2008 - 11:40 ET by wizardjrOnce again....
most all plastic bags you get at the grocery store and other commercial outlets are made from gases that would ordinarily be burned off on the gas stack (that large flaming torch at the refinery). By making the plastic bags with these waste gases we are sequestering carbon. By choosing plastic bags you are using a product that takes less energy to produce. By choosing plastic bags you are saving the trees as not all the paper in the bags is recycled.
So what the hell do these ignoramouses and loons want - save the trees and sequester carbon, or not?!? Nothing satisfies their insanity.
This is interesting
July 29, 2008 - 11:58 ET by Dr_Libertynever heard of this. Can you provide a citation?
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Plastic bags are made from
July 29, 2008 - 13:46 ET by motherbeltPlastic bags are made from petroleum and natural gas, heated to form hydrocarbon chains. It's an Adobe file, so I couldn't copy the quote, but here's the link (section 2)
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thanks motherbelt, but...
July 29, 2008 - 16:21 ET by wizardjrthat citation has an axe to grind and it shows. For one thing the energy values appear to assume that all production costs are solely due to the manufacture of the plastic bags. Oooops, plastic bags are a value added recovery from the crude oil not the main stream purpose.
From the US EPA website:
1. Plastic bags use 40% less energy to produce and generate 80% less solid waste than paper.
2. Paper bags generate 70% more emissions, and 50 times more water pollutants than plastic bags.
There's more, but you get the idea.
From a report prepared for the Solid Waste Council:
Even paper bags made from 100% recycled fiber use more fossil fuels than plastic bags.
I never said it was a
July 29, 2008 - 17:44 ET by motherbeltI never said it was a non-interested party...I wasn't even sure who was involved in it. I was just passing on the information on what the bags are made from, which is what Dr_Liberty asked about.
PS: The EPA doesn't have an ax to grind?
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Ax grinding is good...
July 29, 2008 - 18:22 ET by Dr_Libertyit makes it easier to chop down trees.
My initial puzzlement was that those plastic bags are made out of "waste gasses," which sounded very interesting.
Seattle's bag tax is apparently on both plastic AND paper.
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I have nothing to say...
July 29, 2008 - 11:43 ET by HeavyChevybecause the stupidity of these rock heads speak for themselves.
I wonder what color is the sky in thier world?
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Seattle city council adds 20 cent "fee" on plastic bags
July 29, 2008 - 12:11 ET by JayTeeFront page news in Seattle...people are pissed.....20 cents !!
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Can you imagine what will happen?
July 29, 2008 - 16:26 ET by Dr_LibertyPeople who forget their Whole Foods tote bags will have the bag boy ... er, bag person ... try and put as much stuff into one bag as possible. "C'mon kid, just shove in the eggs, milk, break, microbrew beer, organic coffee, flourescent lightbulbs, tofu and my latest edition of Hemp Times all in one of those bags."
People will also just ask that all of their purchases be tossed back into the cart again and they will wheel the cart at home.
Glad you mentioned Whole
July 29, 2008 - 16:51 ET by BuffNBoneGlad you mentioned Whole Foods.
My primary reason for going there is junk food. Their house brand potato chips are quite greasy and remind me of the Wise Potato Chips of my youth. Their resturant style tortilla chips are another favorite.
As I check out they offer the obligatory, "Would you like a bag?" (No longer paper or plastic since they stopped that a couple of months ago.) I always say, "Yes". The expression I get is something like I'm asking for their first borne and dutifully put it in a their 90% recycled paper, soy-inked work of art reminding me to consume locally produced produce.
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If you can keep a straight
July 29, 2008 - 17:10 ET by BuffNBoneIf you can keep a straight face, it also is great fun to ask, "Where are the Oreos?" Kinda makes their heads spin.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Not near one of these Whole Foods places, but...
July 29, 2008 - 17:24 ET by Dr_Libertyif I were, I would probably stand in the cooler aisle and ask somebody...
"Um... are you out of Keystone Light?"
OK .... What?
July 29, 2008 - 12:52 ET by TexndocAnytime I'm called a murderer, child abuser, or puppy killer by some advocacy group, it make me want to run out and do the opposite. So now when asked "paper or plastic" it's "plastic"?
Got it.
Why stop there?
July 29, 2008 - 16:17 ET by Dr_LibertyMake it a double plastic with a poodle-kabob on the side!
Korea charges too
July 29, 2008 - 13:31 ET by goldboughMy mother uses plastic grocery bags to pick up her dog's poop. Very useful so poop isn't laying in people's yards.
Korea charges about 5 cents for a plastic bag. I reused it all the time because it was more robust and twice as large as Walmart bags.
and they eat dogs!
July 29, 2008 - 16:20 ET by Dr_Libertyhmmmm...
what is going to happen to the rain forest?
July 29, 2008 - 13:33 ET by szampWhat happened to the old concern for the rain forests? What is going to happen to all the trees from the Amazon?
That's what happens when liberals favor emotion over logic. That actually happens all the time. They end up contradicting their own ideas. At the end they just don't have enough memory or concern for the past. They just ignore the old rules and move ahead causing destruction.
"They just ignore the old rules..."
July 29, 2008 - 15:28 ET by Indiana JoeBut... but... but... that's being progressive!
actually, the libs want us to buy...
July 29, 2008 - 16:23 ET by Dr_Libertythese stupid reusable canvas (or plastic) tote bags.
I suspect "Big Tote Bag" is at work here.
We have a friend who works for Phillip Morris and he gave us a big pile of Marlboro reusable bags. I haven't relied on those yet, but if I'm ever forced to I will be proud to carry those bags.
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Save those plastic bags..... CFL's
July 29, 2008 - 13:51 ET by Gary HallHang onto your plastic bags. The left is at work; their agenda is to force everyone to convert to compact fluorescent light bulbs, which contain mercury. At the same time they are banning plastic bags. Hmm - how we going to dispose of the CFL's?
Oh. And like voting for "change" will fix this?
Seattle just passed a bag tax...
July 29, 2008 - 15:06 ET by Parker1227...yesterday.
Twenty cents per bag. Paper and plastic. So I guess if you shop for a big family or do your shopping once a month, you are going to have to invest $100 in tote bags.
The city council says they will provide everyone with one free shopping bag.
Gee, that means we all have to burn lots of gas going shopping every other day with our "one" tote bag. Al Gore must be loving it.
Note the liberal meme -
July 29, 2008 - 18:40 ET by jdhawkNote the liberal meme - murdering puppies bad; murdering babies in the womb good.
I LOVE plastic bags. You
July 29, 2008 - 19:52 ET by mostlymoderateI LOVE plastic bags. You ever notice that you can carry 10 bags of goodies into the house with plastic bags? I can carry a maximum of 3 bags if they are paper. Plus, paper bags cause paper cuts and can't be re-used to pick up that nasty dog-dew. :)