I noticed this photo accompanying an unrelated and relatively straightforward AP story at MSNBC.com about Barack Obama's electoral strategy. As you can see, it falls into the Obama-as-messiah mold, albeit a little more subliminal and requiring more biblical literacy than previous still shots:
Photo by Alex Brandon/AP. Caption: "Sen. Barack Obama walks to the pulpit to speak at the Apostolic Church of God service about fatherhood in Chicago on Sunday."
As you can see from the photo, the background is a brick wall with the text "Jesus Christ Is Lord" emblazoned beneath a depiction of a descending dove. Depicting Obama beneath it evokes to the biblically literate reader the account of the descent of the Holy Spirit as a dove upon Jesus after his baptism, as recorded in all four gospel accounts.
From Matthew's gospel account in the English Standard Version (3:13-17):
Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."
What's also odd is that the photo accompanied a story not about Obama's speech on fatherhood at the Chicago church in which the photograph was taken, but rather how "Obama sees possible win without Ohio, Florida."
In other words, the man can work miracles!:
FLINT, Mich. - Barack Obama's campaign envisions a path to the presidency that could include Virginia, Georgia and several Rocky Mountain states, but not necessarily the pair of battlegrounds that decided the last two elections - Florida and Ohio.
In a private pitch late last week to donors and former supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe outlined several alternatives to reaching the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House that runs counter to the conventional wisdom of recent elections.
At a fundraiser held at a Washington brewery Friday, Plouffe told a largely young crowd that the electoral map would be fundamentally different from the one in 2004. Wins in Ohio and Florida would guarantee Obama the presidency if he holds onto the states won by Democrat John Kerry, Plouffe said, but those two battlegrounds aren't required for victory.
—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters
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Similar photo style
June 16, 2008 - 14:11 ET byThe photo of Obama has a similarity of style to this famous photo taken, I believe, at Liberty University.
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/04/29/arts/29STAN.650.jpg
Nice Try
June 16, 2008 - 14:18 ET by OldSailor88The photo of GWB has him in front of a painting of Jesus that makes it look like Jesus is blessing him.
The picture of BHO, however, has him placed in front of the words "Jesus is Lord" with a dove and cloud above him as if HE is the Messiah.
Not even close.
Noli habere bovis, vir!
If I remember correctly...
June 16, 2008 - 15:25 ET by ontheright...George Bush is not running for president.
So, what's your "real" point??
The real question is was it
June 16, 2008 - 18:47 ET by kgThe real question is was it a published photo by the media. Seem like not too long ago the media was bashing Bush, Regan, Romney, and Huckabee for their religion. My how the tides have turned. Not only have the Democrats found religion, they found their redeemer as well.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Look at his nose
June 16, 2008 - 14:11 ET by OldSailor88The thing I always see is that he is constantly looking down his nose at people. Am I the only one who notices?
" To look down your nose at a thing or person means that you treat
that thing or person with contempt, or consider them inferior.
"Intellectuals often look down their noses at amusement parks and such."
Noli habere bovis, vir!
It's not your imagination
June 16, 2008 - 14:19 ET by Prez RudyIt's not your imagination OldSailor...I couldn't help but notice when H Obama was being asked to comment on the death of Tim Russert, that he would never look into the eyes of the reporter, but he kept on looking from left to right then back to left..He seriously appeared to be searching for the reliable telepromter but couldn't seem to find it (nor could he seem to find a single intellectual thought).
I've also noticed Obama's
June 16, 2008 - 15:55 ET by celatorI've also noticed Obama's eye-averting behavior when he is off-script or otherwise has to respond to an unexpected question. On those occasions, he's at a complete loss for words. This is why he's terrified of a "town meeting" type of debate with McCain, and McCain's people know it.
I've said it before--Obama has been heavily coached to present himself as a sort of smooth talking savior of the nation. His speeches are very carefully written and he's been trained to present them in an "eloquent"--almost hypnotic--style. Off script, he's a completely empty suit.
Someone or some group has spent a lot of bucks grooming this guy. If elected, he'll be their puppet and do exactly as they tell him. Who are his handlers? Look who he's hung around with for the last 20 years. They own him lock, stock and barrel.
Obama
June 16, 2008 - 22:48 ET by merlin61Why, when he is speaking, does he sound like
he is preaching? He almost yells his speeches, and
if you listen long enough, you get tired of his
obnoxious tone. I don't see why they (the
left) think he is so eloquent in his speech. He is
not!!!
Because he sat in church
June 17, 2008 - 09:43 ET by misterbee241Because he sat in church and listened to political speeches delivered in a sermon style for 20 years . He's just doing what he learned.
There is none so blind as they that won’t see. Jonathan Swift 1667-1745
No you're not the only one.
June 16, 2008 - 19:00 ET by mjgNo you're not the only one. I've noticed it too and he seems to think that he is better than most people.
Irony is so ironic: Here we
June 16, 2008 - 14:40 ET by mattmIrony is so ironic: Here we have a political ideology which holds Christianity in utter contempt, yet its adherents try to portray their potential leader as a Christ-like figure. Sick.
Irony, for sure
June 16, 2008 - 14:52 ET byI assume you are referring to the Obama image and not the photo of Christ anointing GWB. At least I hope so!
And Bush, in comparison...
June 16, 2008 - 15:28 ET by ontheright...is important how? He doesn't get to run again, unfortunately.
Try to find something relevant...like angels flying around John McCain's head. Otherwise, get out of the past and leave the BDS in the past.
OTR - I agree!!
June 16, 2008 - 20:57 ET by Cape ConservativeIt will be so good when those suffering from BDS no longer have the "object of their affection" holding office - they will undoubtedly go into severe withdrawal and have to enter rehab!
God bless George Bush! What he has put up with the past 7 years is something not many of us could have dealt with. I'm waiting to hear how the floods in the midwest occurred because he was in Europe and not tending to his country! If in doubt, blame Bush!
"...a political ideology
June 16, 2008 - 15:49 ET by Indiana Joe"...a political ideology which holds Christianity in utter contempt..."
I'd say your assumption is right.
Yep, a photo of a man at a microphone placed in front of a mural versus a photo staged from a perfect angle to create a suggestive background.
Perfectly comparable <rolls eyes>.
Are you trying to say the
June 16, 2008 - 16:57 ET by mattmAre you trying to say the Democrats don't hold Christianity in contempt? Where have you been for the last 20 years?
There's a difference between portraying yourself as a follower of Christ and portraying yourself as Christ himself. A distinction I believe you might be able to comprehend, if you tried.
Not me, matt
June 16, 2008 - 19:07 ET by Indiana JoeI think you may need to re-read the posts. Or maybe you just replied to the wrong post.
Obama = Christ?
June 16, 2008 - 19:32 ET byI believe that politics is a bloodsport. While Obama's campaign may be trying to raise his Christian religiosty through imagery and speeches, they are doing so in direct correlation to our attacks on his faith.
Keep in mind we attacked him as a Muslim and failing that, attacked his preacher, and failing that attacked his wife's patriotism, and failing that attacked his campaign's response to our attacks.
We need to focus on the real issues.
As a True Christian Conservative, I am telling you that we need to hit at his core values; ending the war in Iraq, lowering taxes for the poor and middle class, offering health care for all Americans, and all of the other liberal dead-end ideas he is proffering.
Anderson...
June 16, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Clear thinker"Keep in mind we attacked him as a Muslim and failing that, attacked his preacher, and failing that attacked his wife's patriotism, and failing that attacked his campaign's response to our attacks."
Who exactly are the 'we' you keep refering to?
BTW... Did you give up on trying to answer my posts?
"Abstain from McCain"
Conservative media
June 16, 2008 - 19:51 ET by"We" refers to all of the spin, and I do mean spin, that I read and watch in the conservative media. We (includes me) are off track and if we don't get our act together, we are going down big time in November. The spin should be focused on issues. Not gut issues, but real issues. The gut issues worked with Bush with Rove at the helm. Rove is a commentator on Fox News now, not in charge of McCain's campaign. As much as I can't stand McCain, where do we go from here?
God, I pray, can we just change the constitution and let Bush run again with Karl as VP?
Anderson... You aren't a
June 16, 2008 - 19:51 ET by bigtimerAnderson...
You aren't a true conservative...you fool no one.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BT
June 16, 2008 - 19:54 ET byAnd so what in your opinion is a True Conservative?
"And so what in your
June 16, 2008 - 20:00 ET by Clear thinker"And so what in your opinion is a True Conservative?"
The opposite of being a Fake Conservative!
Excuse the humor, I just could not help myself. BTW... Conservatism is NOT an opinion!
"Abstain from McCain"
You got that right! I
June 16, 2008 - 19:57 ET by Clear thinkerYou got that right!
I don't know what the heck he's talking about when he says things like conservative spin, or whatever that was. Conservatives would love to talk about issues, but the media does NOT want that so we get BS fluff.
If Anderson was paying attention he would realize that this site goes after media BS.
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear from what I have seen
June 16, 2008 - 20:04 ET by bigtimerClear from what I have seen from Anderson since I first saw his posts...he attempts to spin us....
He can troll on...he isn't fooling me anymore...well, he really never did, but you know the benefit of doubt thing...
I just chuckle....can't help it.
Just my opinion and two cents here....I'm eagerly awaiting the albore speech/announcement of his support of the new messiah..
Who knew?
I'm shocked...shocked I tell ya!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
The first warning with
June 16, 2008 - 20:08 ET by Clear thinkerThe first warning with Anderson was when I read his profile and he immediately calls himself an 'intellectual'.
And I always thought Gore would come out for Hillary. Hehehehehe!
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Intellectual
June 16, 2008 - 21:51 ET byClear Thinker,
Why is the word "intellectual" a bad word for you? Do you dislike "elite" as well? How about these two words together; "elite intellectual"? does that really get your goat, dear Clear Thinker?
I would assert that Rush Limbaugh, amoung other great conservative thinkers, is an "elite intellectual" who is also a "Clear Thinker."
I think that a smart person, who also happens to be moneyed and well-connected, provided he or she is a clear thinker, might make a good candidate for President of the Unitied States.
Since we both DisDain McCain, who would you vote for?
Anderson... Rush would
June 16, 2008 - 22:01 ET by Clear thinkerAnderson...
Rush would throw up if you ever called him an "elite intellectual".
I vote for the best person for the job!
"Abstain from McCain"
Rush for an Answer
June 16, 2008 - 22:21 ET byBy all definitions, Rush is both "elite" and an "intellectual." I doubt he would throw up on his glorious golden EIB microphone if we acknowledged him for what he is. He has got too much money, power and smarts for that. Let's call a spade a spade, or better yet, a golden microphone a golden microphone.
But you dodged the question: Who will you vote for?
Wait
June 16, 2008 - 21:10 ET by ChesterBogusYou don't know what conservative spin is?
Look, I know this website is committed to the premise that the mainstream media has a liberal bias, and maybe that's true. But to claim ignorance of the mere concept of conservative spin is just silly and childish on your part. It's like putting your fingers in your ears and saying, "Lalala, can't heeeear you!"
Anderson is very right. Obama has been repeatedly attack on relatively baseless things. His pastor said some rather harsh things about America. Gasp! A black man criticizing America? When has THAT ever happened? Oh, I don't know, go read The Invisible Man, or I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings. In other words, it was spin when people suggested that Obama wasn't a "real" Christian because his church had a black perspective and was critical of America. It was incompetent journalism (spin) that didn't discuss the church in context of black culture and history. Without that context, it was pure spin to show Obama as un-American and un-Christian.
When people call him B. Hussein Obama to stress his Arabic middle name, they are spinning his name to make him seem like a Muslim - because Americans are not sophisticated enough to realize that Arabic does not equal Islam.
Spin is when people like Rush Limbaugh stutter over his name, pretending to call him "Osama" instead of his actual name, Obama. Again, because people can't quite grasp that Arabic doesn't equal Muslim/Muslim doesn't equal terrorist
I'm sure there are more examples.
I think it's very fair to say that conservative spin is what has driven his campaign to emphasize his Christian faith.
BogusChester... That's
June 16, 2008 - 21:17 ET by Clear thinkerBogusChester...
That's not spin, that's pointing out his weaknesses.
BTW... "....people suggested that Obama wasn't a "real" Christian..." Who and when has anyone ever suggested he wasn't a real Christian?
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct, BogusChester?
June 16, 2008 - 21:30 ET by R D HelmLOL-I love it!
Stick, it will. :-)
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Just seem to
June 16, 2008 - 21:36 ET by Clear thinkerJust seem to fit.
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Ct, that settles it. It's Bogus Chester from now on.
June 16, 2008 - 21:44 ET by R D HelmYa know, Monday nights can be fun.
-Even when football is out of season. :-)
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
RD... Monday night at NB
June 16, 2008 - 21:54 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
Monday night at NB is more fun than a barrel of liberals.
Besides, the granddaughter went to bed early, the wife is snoring on the couch in the den, and not a darn thing on the tube.
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct, Bet BogusChester's mother-in-law is hounding him relentlesly
June 16, 2008 - 22:03 ET by R D HelmLOL-It would explain much.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Hounding him about
June 16, 2008 - 22:05 ET by Free StinkerHounding him about what?
Moving out of the garage? ;-)
chester
June 16, 2008 - 21:20 ET by Free StinkerSpin is when people like Rush Limbaugh stutter over his name, pretending to call him "Osama" instead of his actual name, Obama.
You are forgetting your Liberal talking points. It was Sean Hannity that did that. Except the fact is Sean was only playing an audio clip of Ted Kennedy getting it wrong.
"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker
Hey Bogus..how would you
June 16, 2008 - 21:37 ET by bigtimerHey Bogus..how would you think things would spin if people on the Washington Journal that call in every morning, that are black, can't even get Obama's name right...it is hysterically funny actual if you can stand to listen to the volume of hate filled rhetoric with no substance or much of a level of intelligence...the majority of them call him Barama...if the conservatives did that on the other line, if they real ones ever got in that is, the left fills those lines too and C-SPAN does zilch about it...but if they did, what do you think would happen...eh?
Give me a break troll..you are full of it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Same as the above response
June 16, 2008 - 16:50 ET by mattmSame as the above response - not even close.
Bush openly acknowledged his Christian faith...Obama is being portrayed as Christ. If you don't see the difference, then maybe you should go see if the Big O can remove the scales from your eyes.
Exactly mattm... The
June 16, 2008 - 15:05 ET by bigtimerExactly mattm...
The blatant hypocrisy is rich within the msm/leftist party...it is beyond pathetic.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
I don't think the people
June 16, 2008 - 15:24 ET by MidAmericaI don't think the people who are producing all these 'messiah' images are being hypocritical at all. I think they view Christians as unsophisticates who can be subconsciously manipulated by images they are familiar with. They view Christians and Christianity with contempt.
Just checking, MidAmerica
June 16, 2008 - 15:35 ET byMA, again I am assuming you are referring to the picture of Obama in church standing in front of a placard of a dove and not GWB at Liberty University with a huge image of Christ standing behind him, patting Bush on the shoulder. For what it is worth, I found the GWB image far more offensive. http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/04/29/arts/29STAN.650.jpg Although I agree with GWB on all things political, as at True Christian Conservative, I beleive this "anointing" photo really crossed the line in terms of politicizing religion.
Your point is well taken, though. There are politicians of all stripes who will use sacred imagery to manipulate people, while treating them with contempt.
Agree. Any use of
June 16, 2008 - 15:40 ET by MidAmericaAgree. Any use of anybodys sacred images for politics is offensive.
Mid Amerca, did you know ...
June 16, 2008 - 15:48 ET byMuch of the religious imagery we saw during the Bush campaigns was created and/or sanctioned by Karl Rove. He is the undisputed King of message backdrops. He is also an atheist. Need I say more?
"Need I say more?"
June 16, 2008 - 15:50 ET by Indiana JoeNO!
LMAO!
Yes, what does this
June 16, 2008 - 15:59 ET by Dan The Man 2Yes, what does this "Intellectual concerned with the nature of the world" mean? What the heck is an intellectual? To me it is some idiot who thinks he is better than those around him.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I doubt this curiously new
June 16, 2008 - 16:26 ET by TruthMongerI doubt this curiously new "anderson" (hello Obama campaign:)! welcome to NB) will ever "get" the message here...
...again Bush doesn't hate Christianity - unlike the DNC - so let him use all the Christian "imagery" he wants to:)...it's not "imagery" to him - he is an actual disciple (quick - google that one, anderson:)...
incidentally when did the MSM ever plaster any of Bush's "religous imagery" all over the front pages ad nauseum? if ever...
as for the DNC - get your own religion - use some global warming/cooling/climate-change/whatever photoshops...
Anderson, WOW!! you
June 16, 2008 - 16:36 ET by futbolisgreat1Anderson,
WOW!! you really are sick with BDS. You need to start taking your medication.
Guess what....Bush is not running for office. However, say he was, excusing bad behavior with, "...but he does it too" is childish and immature. In other words, a typical Liberal tactic.
Obviously, you find those pictures of Bush offensive, if not you wouldn't have brought them up. How come you do not find Obama's picture offensive, care to comment on that? or are you still stuck on BDS?
Remember Anderson, President Bush is not, cannot and will not run for the Presidential Office of the United States.
As you were told already, if you find a McCain picture like Obama's then you may start making more sense and stop sounding like a lunatic.
Not to mention, that Bush has been vilified by the media and Democrats, unlike Obama who has been worshiped and sanctified by the media, Democrats and the communists of America. Oh yeah and by the poorly, uneducated masses too.
Offensive Photos
June 16, 2008 - 16:50 ET byI did say I found Obama's photo offensive, by saying I found Bush's photo even more offensive than Obama's. I also said that even though I don't like McCain, at least he doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve.
I don't know what your point is, but clearly either you didn't read what I have been saying, or I have not expressed myself well.
Lunatic? Was that necessary?
Who published the photo of
June 16, 2008 - 16:53 ET by Clear thinkerWho published the photo of Bush?
"Abstain from McCain"
Anderson will probably never answer you Clear
June 16, 2008 - 17:05 ET by Dee Bunkbecause if he could come up with a place that published it, it would be accompanied by some unflattering commentary about how Presidents shouldn't "wear their religion on their sleeve" . Anderson and other liberals have no problems with Obama doing it because they know it's not sincere.
Dee... Here's my point...
June 16, 2008 - 17:22 ET by Clear thinkerDee...
Here's my point... If that picture of Bush had been published with an article or in a magazine, or even as campaign literature it would make a huge difference.
Obama has the liberal media publishing his pic so I could see where someone can claim bias. If Bush's pic had never been published then Anderson has zero to complain about.
I hope that makes sense.
"Abstain from McCain"
Oh yeah - I get you Clear - always
June 16, 2008 - 17:31 ET by Dee BunkYou make great points. I'm only adding the caveat that if (by slim chance) this picture, or one like it, were published it would surely have negative connotations added by the organization who published it, unlike the positive take on the Obama articles that use religious imagery.
Dee... Absolutely! "Abst
June 16, 2008 - 17:34 ET by Clear thinkerDee...
Absolutely!
"Abstain from McCain"
It is now Clear, I Think: Newsweek, March 4, 2003
June 16, 2008 - 18:06 ET byI correct myself. The photo was not from 2000, but 2003. Specifically Newsweek, March 4. This photo is the one I remember with Christ patting Bush on the shoulder. Does this make a "huge difference"? I think not. It is the intent that counts. http://www.theocracywatch.org/bush_god.jpg
Now, much has been made of the Obama "halo" pictures. Can you stand a little more background on this "religion as exploited by politicians" thing?
Gosh, where have I seen politicians with halos before?
http://www.unsaccodicanapa.com/others/bush_halo.jpg
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
http://hotair.cachefly.net/hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/mccain-halo.jpg
Actually, it started with Ronald Reagan. http://writeofcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/ronald-reagan-002-290x200.jpg A Lighting Director more or less re-invented it, although arguably it goes back to the beginning of civilization 6,000 years ago.
They even tried it with Dick Cheney, but it doesn’t seem to work with him as well as with others.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff292/fearofignorance/cheney.jpg
Anderson... LMAO! You
June 16, 2008 - 18:19 ET by bigtimerAnderson...
LMAO!
You call these links comparisons?
Oh please....get a grip.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Right BT and Anderson completely ignored the context
June 16, 2008 - 18:25 ET by Dee BunkHe didn't give us where any of the pictures were published except the Newsweek one. I couldn't find the article but I found this
article in Christianity today complaining about how Bush was portrayed in the article with nasty side bars and negative connotations.
None of this kind of thing has been in the Obama articles.
Hi Dee...I didn't even
June 16, 2008 - 18:36 ET by bigtimerHi Dee...
I didn't even want to bother with the context when it comes to Anderson because for me it isn't worth if for me today...but I know others will like you and Ct...thank goodness...you have more patience than me on days like this.
Just another case of defelect once again as far as I am concerned.
Btw...real cute statement by Marty Martin referring to Pres. Bush as being sinfully prideful in the link you have here...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BBL Anderson...
June 16, 2008 - 17:47 ET by Clear thinkerI will be back later Anderson. Hope you have your ducks in a row by then.
If not, you will have a hard time in this forum trying to cogently argue a point. Unlike what you may have been told, we are NOT STUPID!
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear: I respect your intellect
June 16, 2008 - 18:24 ET byI hope you enjoyed your repast.
Don't miss my photo gallery on religion in politics posted above. I respect your intellect. It is not my intent to talk down. Please forgive me if I have offended you.
Anderson, Your photo gallery is meaningless
June 16, 2008 - 18:29 ET by Dee Bunkbecause it's without context. Campaigns can do what ever they want, but the media should be neutral. They love and admire Obama's religiosity but feared Bush's and that's how they present the pictures. It's a huge difference.
Trashed
June 16, 2008 - 18:48 ET byDee:
Obama has been trashed on his faith. Would you expect his campaign to respond by taking it lying down? How did that work for Kerry with his swift boat detractors? Do you think Obama would fall into the same trap? Without Karl Rove pulling the trigger, this "religion" dog don't hunt.
Again, let's hit Obama on the real issues; war, taxes, the economy, universal healthcare, etc.
Wrong again... Rev Wright
June 16, 2008 - 18:51 ET by Clear thinkerWrong again...
Rev Wright trashed Obama's faith. The media is in overdrive trying to repair the damage!
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Anderson, You hypocrite,
June 16, 2008 - 21:43 ET by futbolisgreat1Anderson,
You hypocrite, look how demand that Obama be hit on what you call real issues, yet here you are with your BDS hitting Bush on religion....
why don't you lead by example....well, you are a Liberal, so youare used to following, not leading, but you can try.
but hey, come here....closer....closer....i have to tell you a secret........ready?
RELIGION IS A REAL ISSUE!!!!!
you might want to read FDR, JFK, Lyndon B. Johnson, Carter. They thought it was. Do you mean to say that you know more than these past Democrat Presidents?
by the way, you did read and know that Bush is not running for office, right?
you might want to give up on attacking Bush....BDS is really making you look like a lunatic.
Furthermore, if you want religion to not be an issue, tell your messiah, Obama, to stop giving political speeches from churches.
Don't you love your hypocrisy and that of most Democrats.
Here you are claiming that Bush wears his religion on his sleeve, yet you give a pass to Obama who gives political speeches from Christian churches....
your hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.
I am embarrassed for you.
Ok Anderson, I'm
June 16, 2008 - 18:49 ET by Clear thinkerOk Anderson, I'm baaack...
I'm going to give this one more shot.
I went to the homepage of the link you gave above @ theocracywatch.org and ran through as many threads and links I could so I could maybe see a connection between the photo of Bush and how it may have effected his run for office. I can't find one. I cannot find where that particular photo was used by the media or by the Bush campaign. So all you have is a photo with zero context. Maybe the magazine you cite did an article on Bush and his religion, but that particular photo was not part of the article. On the other hand, the Obama photo is evidently being used by the media in context of whatever the hell they think they are selling people when it comes to Obama.
Now do you get it?
"Abstain from McCain"
CT, Look again
June 16, 2008 - 20:09 ET byIf you look at the Newsweek post I sent you above, you will see that that the photographer's name/Newseek is imprinted at the bottom. If your argument rests on the contention that the photo is fake, then rest assured I will prove you wrong. Do I really have to find the original article to end this disagreement? The photo is real, I saw it years ago and remembered it, and it had to do with Bush using religion to forward his campaign.
Just like he used McCain's "illigitimate black baby" to sink his. Care to argue that point any further?
Really, I have a terrific LED light show going on in my pool right now. Talk to you later, I hope.
Anderson, I am sick and
June 16, 2008 - 21:20 ET by futbolisgreat1Anderson,
I am sick and tired of Americans like you who claim President Bush wears his religion on his sleeve.
If President Bush wore his religion on his sleeve, Jimmy Carter, Franklin D. Roosevelt wore it on their forehead!!!
You might want to do research and find how President FDR lead the nation in prayer during WWII! That's right, he not only led them in prayer, but he had the audacity to say on live radio that Christianity was the right religion and the one that should be defended!
I am sick and tired of the ignorance of the American people. Learn something before you say things that are historically inaccurate!
FDR used tax payers money, imagine the horror, to lead this nation in Christian prayers. FDR constantly inserted God and Christianity in his public speeches to the American people.
In fact, FDRs foreign policy and even domestic policy, he justified by claiming it was the Christian thing to do.
Please, please, PLEASE!!! learn some history before you insult President Bush.
You might also want to look into JFK speeches, Lyndon B. Johnson speeches, Carter speeches and Clinton speeches!
All of them invoked God way more than Bush ever has.
If Bush wears his religion on his sleeve, than FDR, JFK, Carter, Johnson stamped their religion on the forehead of every American. yet Democrats don't seem to have a problem with them.
Care to explain the hypocrisy? did I misunderstand you again?! PLEASE!
fut... He doesn't have to
June 16, 2008 - 21:28 ET by Clear thinkerfut...
He doesn't have to explain anything, he's an "intellectual" after all.
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear Thinker... That's
June 16, 2008 - 21:50 ET by futbolisgreat1Clear Thinker...
That's the problem with Anderson, that he believes himself to be an intellectual, but the poor guy comes accross as a truly uneducated individual when it comes to historical facts.
I have never understood the great hypocrisy of the left who claim that FDR was one of the greatest Presidents in American history, then they turn around and claim that Bush is bad for wearing his religion on his sleeve.
Obviously, like Anderson, these individuals do not have a clue that FDR invovked God, justified his foreign and domestic action by claiming it was the Christian thing to do and used tax payer money to promote and defend Christianity, as FDR so eloquently admitted.
According to Liberal standards of today, FDR is the worst President in American history. But Liberals have been brainwashed over and over and over again to realize how moronic and hypocritical their attacks against Bush and the Republicans are.
Honestly, Liberals like Anderson are embarrassing.
The sad part is that they truly believe that they are intellectuals. I am laughing, rolling on the floor at Anderson's "intellect".
and his BDS is quite embarrassing too. Where do these lunatics come from? WOW!
fut... "Where do these
June 16, 2008 - 21:57 ET by Clear thinkerfut...
"Where do these lunatics come from?"
Unfortunately, their parents breed.
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear Thinker, You made
June 16, 2008 - 22:18 ET by futbolisgreat1Clear Thinker,
You made me laugh out loud, my wife wanted to get in on the joke and she is laughing too.
Yeah, unfortunatly, their parents do breed.
President Bush
June 16, 2008 - 23:52 ET byI support President Bush. I feel strongly that religion and politics should not be commingled. I am a religious person.
Like it or not, Karl Rove, an atheist, intentionally used wedge religious issues to draw religious people like me into the Bush Republican camp. I will ask you a simple question. Aside from more conservative activist judges on the bench, what have we achieved?
Anderson
June 16, 2008 - 23:59 ET by Free Stinker"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker
1. We got a President that
June 17, 2008 - 00:50 ET by mrsimele1. We got a President that lied to us.
2. We got a President that crippled the economy
3. We got a President that under his responsibility as Commander In Chief, moron-terrorists were capable of hitting us NOT once, NOT twice, but THREE different times on 9-11.
4. We got a President's administration that "ratted-out" its own Valerie Plame.
5. Katrina was a disaster
6. Things are so bad that a guy named Obama H. Barack is going to be the next President.
...oh, and the whole world HATES American's now that travel abroad. Oh, and lot's of soldiers are dead. Oh, and Bush's ol' oil buddies are making-out wonderfully while screwing the average consumer. Hee Haw!!
mr. senile
June 17, 2008 - 01:08 ET by Cool ArrowI really hate batting down enumerated posts. U slung dung hoping some would stick.
So I'll cherrypick.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Anderson and
June 17, 2008 - 09:25 ET by futbolisgreat1Anderson and mrsimele,
You two are head cases.
Under President Bush's Presidency we have not had a terrorist attack since 9/11 on American soil.
9/11 was not the fault of any American, but rather of the terrorists. If you want to start throwing blame on anyone, why don't you talk about what Clinton did and did not do to get Bin Laden in the 1990s....shall we talk about that? I know, you are afraid because it will show how the Democrats did NOTHING to capture Bin Laden. But shhhhh....don't tell that to anyone, right?
In fact, it was the Clinton adminitration that put up a wall between intelligence agencies that would not allow them to share intelligence with each other. But shhhh....let's not discuss that. I don't want your little world to crumble around you.
Our American soldiers have freed millions, upon millions, upon millions of people both in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In Afghanistan thanks to President Bush and the American soldiers, women are no longer being stoned to death in soccer stadiums for not wearing a barka, or going outside without a man.
I thought you Liberals were all about women liberation? Hmmm...who would have thought that you thought it was evil to liberate millions upon millions of women from oppressive regime that consider its dogs more valuable than a woman. *sniff,sniff* I smell hypocrisy coming from the left, as usual and it stinks!!!
Under President Bush European countries such as France, Germany, Italy, and now England have elected pro-American, pro-Bush governments. Hmmmm......you really need to put down the kool aid and all the left wing propaganda that clutters your silly mind and look at the FACTS on the ground.
If the polls were right and the "world" hated us, why is it that country after country is electing pro-American, pro-Bush government? no answer, right?
Katrina a disaster? Did you check how Mississippi recovered and moved on from Katrina? Why couldn't Lousiana do the same thing?
Look at the State government and local governments in Lousiana before you spew out more ridiculous nonsense.
Valarie Plame was ratted out by her own husband-might want to look at Wilson's own writings long before Bush took office.
Not to mention that the person that told the media about Valarie Plame was Richard Armstrong, an ex-Clintonista left over.
Facts not your forte, right left wingers? don't worry, we know already.
Incredible the strong BDS running in this forum.
You children of the left should really be ashamed of yourself. Facts are not on your side and facts are not your forte.
Anderson...By
June 17, 2008 - 00:05 ET by bigtimerAnderson...
By conservative activists on the court...what do you mean? Men that go by the constitution instead of making laws from the bench to their own leftist political views don't you....you know what they call a living constitution...and we desperately needed one more of those constitutional judges, don't you agree?
By the way...what else we have accomplished..are you kidding...I don't think there are enough virgins in heaven for each terrorist our militiary has got rid of.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Bush doesn't commingle politics and religion
June 17, 2008 - 00:21 ET by Dee BunkWe don't have conservative activist judges. They have not made up any new laws. The liberals just made up another new one with the Guantanamo case.
We have - restrictions on abortion
We have limits on federally funded embryonic stem cell research
We have child pornography laws being upheld
We have a President who sets a good example by respecting his wife
There will be more restrictions on abortion upheld in the future and less hostility to religion in general and more support for children and their rights. At least until Obama's picks get in. Then all these things will be overturned.
You saying you support Bush sounds completely illogical from everything else you have posted and especially to claim that the religion is what drew you to him. That is what you have been complaining about. The Supreme Court is the main thing that any religious people (whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish or any other) should care about because most major religions all believe in the same basic codes of conduct and so do the majority of non religious people. It's only activist leftist Wacos that can't get their stuff through the people who try to use the courts.
People make the laws and the SCOTUS should not strike them down just because they are hostile to religion and what the people want. They are supposed to interpret the constitution and people make the laws.
»→ Dee
June 17, 2008 - 00:25 ET by Cool ArrowAs one of his first acts as President, George Bush pushed through an end to Obama's pet project which protected Doctors who put living babies in bins to die because they were supposed to be aborted.
See BAIPA - Born Alive Infant Protection Act.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
I didn't know that CA
June 17, 2008 - 01:02 ET by Dee BunkThat's great. I knew Obama supported that in IL (so disgusting) but I didn't know Bush did anything to end it. I'm so glad to hear that. Lets hope President Obama doesn't change that.
Not only do you have a
June 16, 2008 - 21:08 ET by Cape Conservativesevere case of BDS, Anderson, I "kind of" get the message that you don't care much for Karl Rove, either ;-) Your source for stating he is an atheist is??????????????????
"I beleive this "anointing"
June 16, 2008 - 15:53 ET by Indiana Joe"I beleive this "anointing" photo really crossed the line in terms of politicizing religion."
I assume you mean the photo of Obama having the Holy Spirit descend upon him, not the pic of GWB speaking in front of a mural.
Indiana Joe
June 16, 2008 - 15:59 ET byTouche'. In truth though, I wish all political campaigns would leave religious images alone. As much as I don't like McCain, at least he doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve, his chest, or anywhere else that I can discern.
(You did take my statement out of context, though. The preceeding line clearly indicated which photo I was referring to.)
Personally I liked it when
June 16, 2008 - 16:03 ET by Dan The Man 2Personally I liked it when President Bush said Jesus Christ was his role model and consulted Him in every decision. You as with most atheist types confuse religion with true understanding of Jesus Christ.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Oh, so NOW you're worried about "context." LOL
June 16, 2008 - 19:21 ET by Indiana JoeOkay, so what's the "context" of THIS, from the same sentence:
"Although I agree with GWB on all things political,..."
Care to put that line in "context?"
Yeah,
June 17, 2008 - 15:22 ET by Indiana JoeAbout what I figured.
IJ, you just need to give
June 17, 2008 - 15:26 ET by MassConservIJ, you just need to give him some more time to respond. ;-)
Anderson... Who
June 16, 2008 - 16:43 ET by Clear thinkerAnderson...
Who originally published the pic of Bush???
I'm asking because I was deeply involved in bothe of Bush's run for the WH and never saw that photo. Who published and when?
"Abstain from McCain"
Who - not sure
June 16, 2008 - 17:01 ET byCT,
I am not sure. If memory serves me (which it often does not) I think it was an AP photo taken during a speech at Liberty University during the 2000 election. It was noteworthy at the time because Bush was desperately trying to undermine McCain's early lead by tapping Southern values issues prior to the Southern state primaries. It was about the same time that the Bush campaign did their push polling with the "Would you vote for a candidate who had an illigimate black baby?" campaign. This of course was a false and ugly racist reference to John and Cindy McCain's adoptive black daughter.
Since you were deeply involved in the campaign, what do you know about that particularly hideous "family values" tactic?
Anderson... It makes a
June 16, 2008 - 17:11 ET by Clear thinkerAnderson...
It makes a huge difference if you knew who published the pic and when. If it's a just one of AP's stcok photos from their archives it means nothing if it wasn;t published. As in an article promoting Bush.
As far as the family values pic is concerned, Bush had nothing to do with it.
"Abstain from McCain"
You are making distinctions
June 16, 2008 - 17:03 ET by mattmYou are making distinctions that certain contrarians are either unable or unwilling to grasp.
To simplify it for the simple-minded:
1. The Bush photo was not used as part of an election campaign.
2. Bush was not being portrayed as a messiah figure, but merely as a follower of Christ.
3. Obama is being portrayed as a messiah figure in a political campaign.
4. This portrayal of Obama as Savior is being encouraged by people who would utterly ridicule anyone else who seemed to be doing that.
The hypocrisy is the point. Some people seem to refuse to see it.
Let's tackle the real issues
June 16, 2008 - 17:27 ET by1. The Bush photo was not used as part of an election campaign.
Huh? It absolutley was part of his campaign. You might even call it his “Southern Strategy.”
2. Bush was not being portrayed as a messiah figure, but merely as a follower of Christ.
That is pure inference on your part. Can we agree that Bush was clearly tapping religious sentiment to bolster his campaign?
3. Obama is being portrayed as a messiah figure in a political campaign.
Is this the best we have on Obama? He first was a Muslim but is now a fake Christian, portraying himself as a Messsiah? We as conservatives have spent far too much time going after Obama on his religion. Of course he is going to fight back by displaying his Godly side. I say let’s go after him on real, substantive issues like his policies on health care for all Americans, middle-class tax breaks, ending the war in Iraq, etc.
4. This portrayal of Obama as Savior is being encouraged by people who would utterly ridicule anyone else who seemed to be doing that.
It’s a false and meaningless issue and by harping on it, you and others with your perspective perpetuate it.
Damn it Anderson... You
June 16, 2008 - 17:32 ET by Clear thinkerDamn it Anderson...
You keep making claims but cannot back them up. This is why I asked you if you knew who published the pic and when. I have NEVER seen this pic until you posted the link today, so I am suspicious.
"Huh? It absolutley was part of his campaign. You might even call it his “Southern Strategy.”
Please cite where and when in his campaign this picture was used!
"Abstain from McCain"
Anderson's middle name
June 16, 2008 - 17:39 ET by bigtimerAnderson's middle name should be deflect, he always seems to do that with a direct question or questions...seems quite few do that eh Ct?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Yeah.... And this is an
June 16, 2008 - 17:42 ET by Clear thinkerYeah....
And this is an easy one. I can't imagine the spin and deflection if we were tackling something bigger.
"Abstain from McCain"
See above
June 16, 2008 - 18:51 ET byI found it. See above.
Anderson you are not supporting your point
June 16, 2008 - 17:33 ET by Dee BunkYou need to show where it was published and what the supporting article was to make any sort of valid comparison.
Yep... All he has is a
June 16, 2008 - 17:38 ET by Clear thinkerYep...
All he has is a NYT photo archive link that takes you to just the photo.
"Abstain from McCain"
Not to take blame away from the press
June 16, 2008 - 15:29 ET by John Stephensonbut...part of this Jesus Christ pose is on Obama himself. He has to be picking his backgrounds and props to stand in front of. These backgrounds are not all photo shop halos. Part of this is on purpose from Obama.
The point is...
June 16, 2008 - 15:31 ET by ontheright...either the MSM is totally oblivious to Obama's "staging" or they are complicit....I'm voting the latter.
Mission Accomplished
June 16, 2008 - 15:38 ET byI wonder where the Obama people picked up this nasty habit.
Oh Anderson just blame it
June 16, 2008 - 16:03 ET by bigtimerOh Anderson just blame it on the big bad Bush he gets blamed for everything else anyway...throw Rove in while you're at it, heck Scooter and Cheney too.
It gets old.
Pretty hypocritical of the msm all of the sudden ooohing and ahhing over religion and symbols of religion now...isn't it?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Obama does have one
June 16, 2008 - 16:17 ET by MidAmericaObama does have one Christ-like attribute. Considering all the people he has had to throw under the bus, he has spent a lot of his time with 'sinners' and the 'unclean'.
MA... You got that
June 16, 2008 - 16:21 ET by bigtimerMA...
You got that right!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Bush, Rove, Cheney, Scooter
June 16, 2008 - 16:29 ET byI like these guys. My faith has taught me however that liking and/or loving a person involves accepting and understanding their weaknesses. It is not unlike being a true patriot. "My country, right or wrong" just doesn't cut it.
Wow Anderson...thanks for
June 16, 2008 - 16:33 ET by bigtimerWow Anderson...thanks for those words of wisdom....don't know what I would of done without them today...
Just kidding!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
What do you have faith in
June 16, 2008 - 16:34 ET by Dan The Man 2What do you have faith in Andy?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
My faith
June 16, 2008 - 17:08 ET byRight now I have faith that if you truly want to chat you will back off the verbal taunts.
Nice
June 16, 2008 - 18:06 ET by OldSailor88Using passive agressive to try to lift yourself above the fray. You came into NB for a reason, and it was clear when I read your profile. Anderson, you will find that we welcome liberals here if you can back up what you say with facts and not the mystical talking points of George Soros and his hole in the wall gang. If you can't back up what you say factually, you'll be ignored like the rest of the Trolls who lurk here.
Noli habere bovis, vir!
OS88
June 16, 2008 - 19:06 ET byI truly have no idea what you meant with your post. Example: "mystical talking points of George Soros"
I know who he is, but I have never read his talking points. Does he even have any? I would like to read them for background knowledge. Can you provide a link?
I may be passive/aggressive, but I am too happy/angry to think about it. :)
And now.......
June 16, 2008 - 20:30 ET by OldSailor88Feigning ignorance. Troll on brother. Troll on.
I stopped messing with pollywogs years ago. Good day.
Noli habere bovis, vir!
Feigning Knowledge
June 16, 2008 - 21:29 ET byFirst you accused me of citing facts without backup.
Then you accused me of reciting George Soros' talking points.
I asked you to show me his "talking points" site that I apparently have been reading.
You rebuffed me by saying I am "feigning ignorance."
I assure you that you do not know what you are talking about.
Show me what you have, old Salty Dog.
It will be a pleasure in
June 16, 2008 - 16:08 ET by zhombreIt will be a pleasure in November to see this overmuch heralded messiah fall flat on his face, whupped by a weird old white dude.
Note to Obama: In the
June 16, 2008 - 18:20 ET by Cureboy675Note to Obama: In the future, please insist that any photographers wait until you are standing near a wall with plain wallpaper before they snap their photos. You will save people from having a whole lot of coronaries.
Plain wallpaper, mind you. Nothing with flowers, because you'll be accused of pandering to the enviornmentalits. Nothing with a red hue to it, because you'll be accused of subliminally advocating Communism. Nothing yellowish, because that signals your cowardice and willingness to appease terrorists. And, for God's sakes, no pictures against a plain white wall, because you'll be playing the race card!
Cure... Cute by half..if
June 16, 2008 - 18:31 ET by bigtimerCure...
Cute by half..if he would just disappear into the woodwork it would suit me just fine.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Saint Barack of Illinois
June 17, 2008 - 06:52 ET by Blogger Guy00001The religion of liberalism needed a saint. They now have one. Saint Barack will dispense the Sacraments of Liberalism very liberally.