Newsweek's Alter Hypocritical on the Popular Vote

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The popular vote should supercede statewide results for the presidential election in November, but Hillary Clinton's popular vote argument for why she should win the Democratic nomination is specious. Both points of view have been held forth by Newsweek's Jonathan Alter.

In "Popular Vote Poison: How Hillary's latest math hurts the party," Jonathan Alter cranks up the "Wrap it Up!" box on the New York senator's presidential aspirations.:

Everyone can agree that the primary calendar needs reform. But popular-vote pandering is poison for Democrats. For a party scarred by the experience of 2000, when Al Gore received 500,000 more popular votes than George W. Bush but lost the presidency, this argument is sure to make it harder to unite and put bitter feelings aside.

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The shorthand many Clinton supporters are already taking into the summer is that she won the popular vote but had the nomination "taken away" (as Joy Behar said on "The View") by a man.

What a helpful message for uniting the Democratic Party.

If the Obama people have any sense, they will demand in their negotiations with the Clintonites that Hillary cease and desist in her specious claim to have won the most popular votes.

Given that more than 35 million voters took part in the Democratic primaries and caucuses, the math games on both sides look awfully silly. Everyone should agree to call it a tie.

Yet just last August, Alter panned efforts (mostly Democratic) legislators in North Carolina and (mostly Republican) ballot initiative activists in California to make their respective states award Electoral College electors on the basis of the candidate who wins the individual congressional districts. Such plans would turn the Tarheel and Golden States into a mix of red and blue districts rather than awarding all electors to one party in one fell swoop. Simply put, the plans would make North Carolina less safe for Republicans and California less certain for Democrats in presidential contests.

Alter panned that idea but suggested an alternative that would force states to award all their electors on the basis of who wins the national popular vote:

Is there a better way to make every vote count? Yes, and it doesn't require a constitutional amendment abolishing the Electoral College. All it would take is some good mischief in state legislatures. In February, a bipartisan coalition of former senators led by Birch Bayh, Jake Garn and Dave Durenberger unveiled a campaign for a national popular vote. Under the plan, state legislatures would pass bills that pledged to award their state's electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote. It's not clear which party this would help, but if adopted by as few as 11 states, it would guarantee that the candidate with the most votes actually won the election. Anybody got a problem with that?

So let's review. When Democrats are picking their nominee, the winner should be whomever can scrape up a majority of delegates, regardless of the popular vote tally. In one sense, of course, these delegates are the primary election analog to the general election's Electoral College members.

Yet in the actual presidential contest, if Alter had his druthers,every state would have to select electors based on the national popular vote winner, regardless of how unpopular that winner might be in the individual state.

The bottom line is that Alter's logic is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical. But what's a little of either when your aim is not coherence but cheerleading a Democratic victory in the fall?

—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters


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Those Darn Demo's!

Demos will do whatever they can to win, no matter if they have changed their own tune from month to month.  Its not surprising really, this is how they are!

Fuzzy

 math and roving goalposts.....Shameless ambition and serial liars...Status quo---not change.

Rules, uh,....

....what are they good for?

Absolutely nuttin'

2000 Electoral college--doesn't matter

2008 Warnings to Michigan and Florida Dem committees that vote won't count if they hold early primaries--doesn't matter

2008 Rule that delegates picks the nominee--doesn't matter

Do I detect a pattern here?

Check out what Alter said in 2000 on MSDNC

Back in 2000, immediately after the presidential election, Alter was on MSDNC, huffing that George W. Bush couldn't legitimately assume the presidency because Al Gore received more popular votes, notwithstanding the fact that the popular vote is irrelevant in determing the winner of presidential elections in the United States.  Alter actually "thought" that despite winning the election, George W. Bush would recognize Alter's idiocy as "enlightened" and concede the election to Gore.  I haven't done a search for the exact quotes from Alter, but I will see if I can find them.

TE. Here's what Alter said

 

 TE. Here is what Jonathan Alter said, Nov. 9th, 2000, Quote complements of the MRC's efforts to bring the truth to "we the voters" of this here USA:

"If it turns out that Al Gore wins the popular vote nationally, there will be intense pressure in this country to have him become the President. Most people think the guy with the most votes wins. Recounts are as much an art as a science. You have experts, consultants, who go around the country doing recounts. If the recount came out on behalf of Bush and Bush had lost the popular vote nationally they would go to court, there'd be another recount. It would become endless. And the political pressure would mount very quickly to, to certify Al Gore as, as the winner. Especially since you have a potential conflict of interest here with the Governor of the state that is handling the recount being the brother of Governor Bush."

And Mr. Alter, most people actually know about the laws of the land and the electorial college and how we abide by that. It's only idiots, like you, who don't own ethical values, who don't know. 

Brings back the nausea. (;~/ gary

This is poetic

This is poetic justice. 

Now what do you suppose their complaint(s) will be if McCain wins both the popular vote and the electoral vote?

Racism? GOP dirty tricks? Slick marketing? Sympathy for an aging war hero?

If McCain wins.

Well, after they get through blaming voting machines, voter ID requirements, the unfairness of holding elections on a Tuesday, etc. etc., wait a while and you'll see plenty of Democrats turning on Obama and complaining that he shouldn't have been the nominee because the delegate counts were manipulated and all that should matter is the popular vote.

You Forgot

they will blame racism and sexism as well.

Obama vs McCain

If McCain should win, according to the MSM and the democraps, it will be due to racism.  The UN has already sent a representative to 'monitor' the racism, so that it can be broadcast worldwide relentlessly for at least 4 more years.  And of course, it will be the racism of only conservatives and all Republicans, because these things just don't exist within the democraps.  That'll be the story, and they will stick with it until they become obsolete.

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

What to expect ...

... in 4 to 8 years a movie about how racism played a part in the elections that kept Obama from getting the presidency that is made up of lies to push their left-wing nut job agenda.

Hillary wants all the votes

Hillary wants all the votes from Michigan where she was the only one on the ballot.  Her arguement is count all the votes --except in Michigan,--where I get all of them.

She will never

 get her way on this ---too many people are watching...Make sure to email the DNC committee about fairness..the clintons have stacked it with 13 appointees....