In an April 16 Newsweek Web Exclusive, Lorraine Ali pretty much posed two options to sum up Pope Benedict's view of Muslims the world over: he's clueless about them or he's purposely insensitive.
Here's how Ali opened her article, "Hope--And Skepticism: American Muslims wait to see if the pope will reach out to them." (emphasis mine):
When John Paul II traveled to Syria in 2000, he became the first pope ever to visit a mosque. He stood in Damascus's Umayyad Masjid, kissed the Qur'an and stated, "For all the times that Muslims and Christians have offended one another, we need to seek forgiveness from the Almighty and to offer each other forgiveness." It's no wonder many Muslims look back on John Paul's reign as the golden days of interfaith relations--and as Pope Benedict XVI's first few years as anything but.
Today, more than a few U.S. Muslims wonder if Pope Benedict is simply tone deaf when it comes to interfaith sensitivity, or if he really does have it in for Islam. During a 2006 lecture at a German university, he quoted these lines from a 14th-century Christian Byzantine emperor: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." The lecture spurred outcry and protests, and though Benedict said that he was "very upset" that Muslims were offended, he never clearly apologized. A visit to Turkey, where he prayed in a noted Istanbul mosque, seemed to cool things off ... until Easter Day of this year. At Rome's St. Peter's Basilica, the pope himself baptized Italian journalist Magdi Allam--an Egyptian Muslim who'd moved to Europe and become an outspoken critic of Islam. "The act of conversion itself was not offensive, but rather, the high-profile nature of how the conversion was carried out was insulting to Muslims," said Washington's Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) in a recent statement. "The fact that the conversion took place at St. Peter's Basilica, one of the most sacred locations for Christians, and on the holiest day of the Christian calendar carried a negative message of competition and superiority. Unfortunately, these recent events are neither constructive, nor conducive to effective interfaith dialogue."
Ali never explored the notion that Islamic moderates might need to reach out to Catholics and other Christians to push for say religious tolerance in the Muslim world towards minority Christians and Jews in those countries. After all, there are no historically Christian countries in Europe that punish conversions to Islam from Catholicism by death, nor is "radical Christianity" -- Rosie O'Donnell's assertions to the contrary -- a clear and present physical danger to Muslims and other non-Christians.
Closing her article, Ali took the recent news that Muslims outnumber Catholics (but not Christians when including Protestant and Orthodox) as placing the onus on Pope Benedict to "dialogue" with Muslims:
Highlighting commonalities may be the key to improved relations, especially at a time when new data--cited by the Vatican, no less--shows that Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism as the biggest single religious denomination in the world. "We know it's important to have dialogue of civilizations," says M. J. Kahn, a Houston city council member and a Muslim. "We believe the more people talk, the better off we will be. But we as Muslims don't need to have some sort of confirmation from the pope to say we're OK. We know we are, it would just be nice if he noticed, too."
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Typical....
April 17, 2008 - 12:54 ET by notinstl....no one is sensitive enough to the Muslims....but, what's to complain about? They got Cat Stevens...
Have any of these people
April 17, 2008 - 16:39 ET by Chris NormanHave any of these people ever asked why Muslims can be so insensitive and clueless when it comes other religions? What do we have to do exactly to demonstrate our sensitivity towards Muslims? Convert?
Does Muslim whining have no end?
April 17, 2008 - 13:03 ET by SickofLibsDoes it have to be ALL about Muslims ALL of the time? Holy crap, did the Pope come to America to maybe reach out to American Catholics, or to beg forgiveness from Muslims? He could have done that from Rome.
Glad he didn't though. What self righteous assholes these people are!
How about this: QUIT BOMBING, killing and maiming innocent people (and each other) at least for a few months and lets see what happens. Kay?
Have some self respect for yourselves.
As far as the "negative message of competition" allegedly sent by the baptism of that guy, I think even the Muslims would have to admit they win. Religious Murders by Muslims Last 5 Years = 18,345, Religious Murders by Roman Catholics = 0.
Does Muslim whining have no
April 17, 2008 - 13:05 ET by bassndudeDoes Muslim whining have no end? Simple answer is No. Not untill all you infidels are headless or pray to Mecca!!
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
...and tiptoe through the
April 17, 2008 - 13:19 ET by SickofLibs...and tiptoe through the tulips with Allah"
Pray to mecca
April 17, 2008 - 19:19 ET by ThisnThat.... and that's exactly how muslims view the rest of us -- as prEy to mecca.
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I, personally, could not
April 17, 2008 - 13:00 ET by bassndudeI, personally, could not care any less if a muslim is offended. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to offend every muslim I meet. At least they know they are getting attention.
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So do I. I wish they would
April 17, 2008 - 14:08 ET by mjgSo do I. I wish they would stop whinning. I'm so sick and tired of them complaining about how the Pope is offending them. When some of them, if not most, have not condemmed the murders of Christians.
Might I be so bold to point out . . .
April 17, 2008 - 13:21 ET by WingletDriverthat Ali claims that 2000 was the high point of Christian-Muslim relations. Hmm? I wonder what happened in 2001 that may have proven her wrong? Apparently the Pope quoting 600 year-old text is more damaging to relations than 19 of her coreligionists murdering a couple thousand infidels.
And MPAC's assertion that a Muslim converting to Christianity is only offensive because it happened on Easter in St. Peter's is interesting since the Koran calls for killing those who leave Islam regardless of circumstance. Maybe MPAC would have more credibility if they denounced such widespread Muslim practices as female circumcision, honor killings, suicide bombers, anti-Semitic children's cartoons, etc.
Then again, maybe Newsweek could have offered a little balance by pointing out the obvious.
You reach out first
April 17, 2008 - 13:53 ET by KC Mulville"American Muslims wait to see if the pope will reach out to them."
Here’s an example of how the media screws things up. The media spreads its messages through language, and the language does everything. The sentence above, taken as a sub-headline of the Newsweek article, shows how it works. The sentence carries the assumption that the Pope should reach out to Muslims. (What does it say about someone who’s waiting to be reached out to?) But that’s the assumption at the heart of the whole article.
Notice that no quotes from Catholics were included.
Notice that nowhere is it assumed that Islam should do any reaching of its own.
Notice that the relationship between Catholicism and Islam is framed entirely as the need for the pope to apologize for statements that Islam found offensive.
Notice that she never questions whether Islam had any right to be offended by the remarks and incidents.
Notice that various Islamic offenses against Christianity (like the ethnic cleansing in both Darfur and Baghdad) were never mentioned
Unfortunately, the standard media trick is to present a single point of view as if it represented what everyone should be thinking. An unsuspecting reader would look at this and think, yes, it would be an insult if the pope doesn’t make amends for his many offenses against Islam.
I'm still waiting for the
April 17, 2008 - 14:15 ET by PeskyDaneI'm still waiting for the leaders of Islam to reach out to non-muslims with something other than a machette.
More like the MSM is
April 17, 2008 - 14:16 ET by wiwfMore like the MSM is clueless about radical Islam. But they don't want you to know that!
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Whaddya mean?
April 17, 2008 - 19:01 ET by Army BratThey reach out with swords as well...and all calibers of firearms as well as various kinds of bombs.
They reach out to us infidels through their lawyers with lawsuits. (Exposing Islam to the light of truth insults it...go figure...)
Iran is tryin' real hard to reach out to us with nukes as we speak...er...post.
We infidels insult Islam by existing free of the slavery that is Islam. That's all it takes...being free to choose for ones self how to live life.
When we're all slaves to Islam, paying the Jizyah or dead...then they'll be happy. Not until then.
A modrate Muslim is one who has not yet been called upon by his religious leaders to kill in the name of Allah.
Happy Trails...
→ Koran Kisser
April 17, 2008 - 14:50 ET by Cool ArrowPlease, somebody tell me John Paul II didn't kiss the Koran.
And here we are condemning Jimmah Carter.
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I was wondering the same thing...
April 17, 2008 - 15:07 ET by jpatchMy stomach turned upside down.
→ jpatch
April 17, 2008 - 15:14 ET by Cool ArrowI'm sure there's a perfectly acceptable rationalization to it.
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An Observation.
April 17, 2008 - 15:45 ET by maryerinIf kissing the Koran meant anything besides being respectful to the fact that Islam also sprang forth from Abraham, the Vatican would be praying toward Mecca. Pope John Paul II was a very holy man, kissing the Koran didn't make him any less so. Call it a rationalization if you want, but I don't think that this simple gesture meant he was embracing everything that Muhammed and his followers stand for.
The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton J. Sheen
Abraham endorsed the
April 17, 2008 - 15:56 ET by bassndudeAbraham endorsed the Koran?? I must have missed that part.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
WWJD maryerin
April 17, 2008 - 16:03 ET by Cool ArrowThen I disagree with your implied assertion that the Koran is the Word of God.
Why not line up a whole slew of books to kiss? The works of Allister Crowley, perhaps?
Would Jesus kiss the Koran?
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Are you kidding me?
April 17, 2008 - 23:50 ET by maryerinNo. Muhammed was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham and Hagar. Judiasm and Christianity were born from Abraham and Sara's legitimate son Isaac. The Koran is about as legitimate as Ishmael was... That's all.
Talk about making assumptions. What would Jesus do? How did he treat the Samaritans? He shared their table and still spoke of how to truly serve God in the ways that were not their custom. That's what Jesus did and would do.
The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton J. Sheen
I think he just kissed it as
April 17, 2008 - 18:26 ET by mjgI think he just kissed it as a simple gesture. Like you said Mayerin. Ther is no way he would ever embrace Islam, or Mohammed.
Well correct me if I'm wrong...
April 18, 2008 - 08:36 ET by jpatchBut I don't think anyone here is saying that the Pope "embraced" Islam...but do you think that any iatolla's or imams would kiss the bible, out of "respect"? Isnt' that the problem that we're all illustrating here? That Islam doesn't respect anything or anyone else if they're not Muslim??
No, they wouldn't. I don't
April 18, 2008 - 09:49 ET by maryerinNo, they wouldn't. I don't think Mohammed included the Golden Rule "to love your neighbor as yourself" in the Koran. (I mean obviously!)
The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton
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† Right maryerin
April 20, 2008 - 01:01 ET by Cool ArrowShadrach Meshach and Abednago wouldn't bow to the king, but I guess times have changed.
I'll give this new Pope this much. He wouldn't go around kissing the Satanic Bible, Mein Kampf, or the Koran.
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The Pope is "reaching out"
April 17, 2008 - 15:03 ET by mastersofdeceitAli must not read the papers. He's meeting with some, others have declined.
http://www.washingto...
Oh and I'll go with a 14th century Byzantine emperor. He would have first hand knowledge.
Spread by the sword? Check
http://www.iranian.w...
Correct me if I'm wrong...
April 17, 2008 - 15:22 ET by maryerinHave the Muslims apologized for the kidnapping and death of Catholic Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho in Iraq? Or the deaths of other Catholics at the hands of Muslims?
And if they do not try to spread the teaching or will of Islam by the sword, why do they have terrorist organizations that are at war with Non-Islamic states? Why have they beheaded contractors and journalists and Jews?
The Muslims cannot reap any criticism for the atrocities that that they sow. They are owed no apology from anyone.
The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton J. Sheen
I can't seem to locate in
April 17, 2008 - 17:17 ET by JerI can't seem to locate in the article where Ali calls Pope Benedict a "jerk". Help, anyone?
Jer
When Islam is being swept from the planet...
April 17, 2008 - 19:10 ET by Army Bratall us infidels can say...hey... the free world tried to avoid this...even the Pope kissed your manual of war....
Happy Trails...
Help for Jer
April 18, 2008 - 03:01 ET by mastersofdeceit" Lorraine Ali pretty much posed two options.."
Hey Newsweek: Muslims
April 18, 2008 - 01:28 ET by rbosqueHey Newsweek: Muslims slammed planes into our buildings, Catholics do not. That about says it all. Jerks.
the constant criticism of
April 18, 2008 - 02:53 ET by seaniepthe constant criticism of Bush in the press has just made me like him more and more and more - I forgot the things I wasn't that big a fan of, and then really concentrate on the things I did like
after those 9 years of Catholic school and moving on once I got to college . . . I may start making my way back, but just because I think this new Pope (it is a proper noun) kicks ass and doesn't care who he offends
HE SHOULDN'T CARE!!!!!!!!!! He is here calling child molesters out, I like that, he is loyal to the Catholic church, not the USA, and dammit that is the way he is supposed to be!!!!!!!