"Memo to Petraeus: When you're making the case for more patriotic gore, go easy on the glitter."
That's how Los Angeles-based writer Matthew DeBord concluded his LA Times op-ed entitled "Petraeus' 'ribbon creep.'"
So DeBord apparently thinks ribbons worn on the service dress uniform are the equivalent of "flair" that Chotchkie's waiters wore in the comedy classic "Office Space"? Here's how DeBord began his screed against Petraeus being decked out in "martial bling":
Gen. David H. Petraeus may be as impressive a military professional as the United States has developed in recent years, but he could use some strategic advice on how to manage his sartorial PR. Witness his congressional testimony on the state of the war in Iraq. There he sits in elaborate Army regalia, four stars glistening on each shoulder, nine rows of colorful ribbons on his left breast, and various other medallions, brooches and patches scattered across the rest of the available real estate on his uniform. He even wears his name tag, a lone and incongruous hunk of cheap plastic in a region of pristine gilt, just in case the politicians aren't sure who he is.
That's a lot of martial bling, especially for an officer who hadn't seen combat until five years ago. Unfortunately, brazen preening and "ribbon creep" among the Army's modern-day upper crust have trumped the time-honored military virtues of humility, duty and personal reserve.
Of course, aside from being loopy and insulting to American servicemen and women, DeBord's sartorial advice conveniently throws out two things: 1) the green service dress uniform Petraeus wore is perfectly suitable for appearing before a congressional committee 2) the U.S. Army has felled forests to write regulations about the proper wear of uniforms.
With a simple Google search, DeBord could have found, for example, a 362-page PDF of "Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia." A summary at the beginning of the document reads:
This regulation prescribes Department of the Army policy for proper wear and appearance of Army uniforms and insignia, as worn by officers and enlisted personnel of the active and reserve components of the Army, as well as by former soldiers.
That's no matter to DeBord who scoffs that Petraeus, as a four-star, "can surely have some say when it comes to matters of peacockery."
DeBord's piece is in the op-ed section and rightly so. He's entitled to his opinion. But we are also entitled to label him a four-star buffoon. Feel free to pin your medals of dishonor on DeBord in the comments section below.
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I could be wrong, but I
April 9, 2008 - 18:45 ET by balboaI could be wrong, but I thought that's what generals always wore for situations like this?
Adm. Jeremy Boorda committed
April 9, 2008 - 18:48 ET by Ken ShepherdAdm. Jeremy Boorda committed suicide purportedly after being accused of wearing a ribbon he didn't earn. These things, I understand, are taken very seriously among career military officers.
Seems a odd topic for this
April 9, 2008 - 18:57 ET by balboaSeems a odd topic for this LAT writer to fret over, doesn't it?
If you want to talk about an unwarranted focus on ribbons, let's discuss award shows.
Don't you know? OD green is
April 10, 2008 - 10:05 ET by pbanks7Don't you know? OD green is NOT the new black. Cami is not the new black. Black is the new black. Ship this guy to New York and dress him in the latest fashions. And do something about that hair!
I bet he keeps all of his Pulitzers in the attic.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
The award
April 10, 2008 - 16:19 ET by harqmanIt was the fake award that pushed him to suicide. Some ribbons, those on the bottom row to the right mean a whole lot less than top left. The Admir. had a Silver Star or something like that. Which really is just silly. Sooner or later you will be caught.
Taken seriously
April 10, 2008 - 16:28 ET by harqmanI have been out of the Marine Corps for 12 years. My daughter asked me to be part of her school color guard. I had my blues cleaned and then took 30 minutes getting my 4 ribbons and shooting badges back on and perfect. I had to upgrade my belt buckle because the regs have changed. Not one person in that room full of students and parents would have known the dif. But I would have. I was representing the United States Marine Corps to these people and it had to be right. Many of them had never seen a dress blue uniform in person. It turns out I was the only Marine there. No one else stood when the hymn was played.
So not only do Career Officers take it serioulsy, we all do. Or should. Kerry doen't count either.
It matters.
Correct, bal
April 9, 2008 - 18:51 ET by BlondeDress Mess might be a tad, um, off the hook for a Congressional hearing.
Loved the cheap shot about the plastic name tag. Nice slur from a typical military hater. Maybe General Petraeus ought to have had it silver-plated in this ignorant fool's opinion?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Correct. The Class A
April 9, 2008 - 18:56 ET by BDCorrect. The Class A Green uniform is considered business dress.
The Dress Blues are a step up and are worn to more formal affairs and such events as state funerals.
Mess Dress is worn in more celebratory events such as military balls, etc.
Thanks, BD,
April 9, 2008 - 19:01 ET by BlondeI know.
Do people (other than attache types) even wear Mess Dress any longer?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Big dog
April 9, 2008 - 19:06 ET by nkviking75Blonde, I suspect part of the reason for having the ribbons on display was to give an air of authority. No doubt who was the big dog among those chihuahuas.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
nk
April 9, 2008 - 19:09 ET by BlondeIt's prescribed by the military how and what to wear on each service uniform. (See BD's post below).
But you're right about the big dog in the room. And about the nipping chihuahuas...that's a great analogy, BTW!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Credit where credit is due
April 9, 2008 - 19:12 ET by nkviking75I stole the "chihuahuas" part from Rush today. Mea culpa.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Yeah, some people assume
April 10, 2008 - 11:02 ET by BDYeah, some people assume that we mix and match our ribbons based on the function we go to. Not saying the higher ranking folks don't do that - I haven't seen it.
I only have one set of ribbons built on a rack and never bother, just swap if from Class B to A's to Dress Blues and back.
Well, most field grades who
April 10, 2008 - 10:59 ET by BDWell, most field grades who have served in Korea will wear the Mess Dress Blues to the annual MI Ball. Same thing to weddings.
It has been YEARS since I have seen a pair of Mess Dress Whites and the last time I saw a pair was a photo of a White House Military Staff Christmas Ball.
I have a pair of Mess Dress Blues, but not Whites.
Did Hell just freeze over?
April 9, 2008 - 19:44 ET by cheesegraterI guess there are some things libs can say that even you take exception to.
"Even" me? There are many
April 9, 2008 - 19:52 ET by balboa"Even" me? There are many things that many people say that I take exception to.
Dude don't know why people
April 10, 2008 - 11:30 ET by red_dragon311Dude don't know why people give you a bad rap...at times you opinion is very left of center, but geez, you'er no Al Frankin, algore, or Al Kada ( yea Al, Al Kada Vacume cleaner salesman, nice to meet you )
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
Not cheap
April 9, 2008 - 18:47 ET by nkviking75The L.A. Times doesn't understand those ribbons don't come as cheaply as, say, Pulitzer Prizes or Nobel Peace Prizes.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
nkviking... Well
April 9, 2008 - 18:51 ET by bigtimernkviking...
Well put!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Yes. Excellent point.
April 10, 2008 - 00:30 ET by JerryYes. Excellent point. And one might add, "nor as cheaply as journalist's diplomas".
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Matthew DeBord is an
April 9, 2008 - 18:53 ET by BDMatthew DeBord is an idiot. But sadly he is not a rare idiot.
In my 23 years of military service I have occasionally come across some similar idiots who have spied me in various uniforms and have commented on them as if I had a choice in the manner in which I was wearing them.
A couple of the more doltish comments indicated that I should not wear my unit patches because they clashed colorwise with the main color of the uniform, and also that mixing gold and silver is a no-no and to be avoided.
I also had a person tell me that I should not wear black low quarter shoes with the Army green uniform, but instead should wear either burgundy or brown.
At first I simply assume that I am being razzed by people, but in nearly all cases it turns out the people are being earnest. Most of these people are amazed when I inform them that each item on the uniform has a history, purpose, and meaning.
I put it down to the fact that the public has drifted far away from its military since the ending of WWII and the media not making any effort to inform.
Thanks for your service,
April 9, 2008 - 18:56 ET by Ken ShepherdThanks for your service, BD.
I think I need to have an informal military affairs advisor for stories like these. I'm always afraid I'm going to make some technical error in nomenclature or something. The liberal MSM do that all the time. Far be it for me to do the same without gentle correction.
We're here to help, Ken
April 9, 2008 - 19:16 ET by OldSailor88Just ask us any time. We have the Army and Navy covered for sure, and if you ask, I'm sure the other services are here too.
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
an Air Force too
April 9, 2008 - 20:31 ET by Kristen FyfeYes I'm a MRC staffer, but also an former AF spouse. Our service members -- at least in my experience -- follow the regs as to which uniform is appropriate to wear to which function. Few would appreciate that the good General was actually acknowleding the significance of the venue at which he was appearing with the uniform he was wearing. And I would whole heartedly agree with the comment about those ribbons and stars coming at a cost most people -- especially the writer of this op ed -- will ever appreciate.
To every NB reader who is serving, who has ever served, to all of your spouses and family members: Some of us DO get your sacrifice and are deeply, forever, indebted.
Thanks for posting this piece, Ken.
KF
KF - May I join you and offer
April 9, 2008 - 22:31 ET by Cape Conservativemy appreciation and thanks to all the servicemen and women and their loved ones whose 24/7 efforts and sacrifices make America the greatest country in the world!
This so-called journalist knows NOTHING - ZERO - NADA - ZIP!!!
The respect shown Congress by the General in both manner and dress is something those on the other side of the table might think about imitating!
My experience with journalists
April 10, 2008 - 10:13 ET by pbanks7The first time I saw an article about the blues band I was in, I was amazed at the number of inacuracies.
At the second interview, I inquired about reviewing the article for accuracy. I was informed that this type of review was bad journalism. It could color the journalist's objectivity.
I don't believe anything I hear from the MSM. If they can't even get the history of 5 guys in a blues band right, how can they accurately depict complex issues?
Thanks for your unjournalistic humility.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
Not to worry Ken, there are
April 10, 2008 - 11:12 ET by bassndudeNot to worry Ken, there are plenty of us former and serving members of the Military will be willing to correct any mistakes we notice.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Assistance
April 10, 2008 - 11:49 ET by kdoliverKen,
I reside here in the Alexandria area and I am Army Reservist. Probably heading back over in the next 10-18 months, so anything I can do to be of assistance
Kevin
http://thelazytriathlete.blogspot.com/
I know what you mean BD
April 9, 2008 - 19:13 ET by OldSailor88When I wore my Service Dress Blues aka "Cracker Jacks" you take all kinds of looks from civilians who don't live around the Navy. Now when I wear my summer whites including the white shoes, I get a lot of Ice Cream Man comments. My rack and my devices are a walking diary of my career, and all were earned proudly. I always like it when a civilian is curious enough to ask about what they all mean. It gives me a chance to reminisce a bit. But, to the point with this person at the LAT. It's better to be thought of as an idiot than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
MN hosts a Norwegian
April 10, 2008 - 10:07 ET by amberMN hosts a Norwegian exchange with their military. We had 2 soldiers stay with us and since they do not wear a lot of ribbons, they see it as vanity, they asked why we do. I told them that the ribbons are a history of our service. My husband was standing there in his uniform and we started to explain the significance of the ribbons...this one tells you that I was here at this time, this one says I did this...the ribbons are not just a show and tell piece, they tell ordinary people and military people what a soldier has done, where they did it, and how many times. The Norwegians understood and changed their mind about the vanity of it. Part of it is to make the soldier feel good and look good, but it also serves a very utilitarian purpose. Someone can look at my husband and say, "You were in Norway with NATO? When? I was there too!"
I concur. When we see
April 10, 2008 - 11:11 ET by BDI concur.
When we see another member we immediately check his uniform to find things we can relate to. Does he have the same campaign ribbons as I do?
If he is wearing MI brass, but has an Expert Infantrymans Badge on his chest then we know he was a branch transferree and we can identify with that.
That is one of the things I miss about the old BDU's in comparison tot he new ACU's. The new ACU's do not allow the wearer to display his branch insignia which cuts down n identification a great deal. Now when you approach a group of guys at a meeting and have a question about ordnance, you can no longer find the subject matter expert in the crowd and a whole lot of time is wasted as you chat up a Mediacal service corps guy and vice versa.
Just another
April 9, 2008 - 18:55 ET by BlondeEffite fashion writer, no doubt.
I wonder how hard General Petraeus laughed, if he saw this.
Serious sublimely absurd stupidity. Of course, that's just my sartorial opinion.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Of course it is a trivial
April 9, 2008 - 20:39 ET by general companyOf course it is a trivial thing to "fret over" Bal, good grief?
This idiot would be whining no matter what he wore. Just more unapologetic hypocrisy from the left.
Is it my imagination or are the moonbats stepping it up a notch. Even our resident liberals seem to be working overtime,,,did we miss a memo or something?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Um, I'm agreeing with Ken.
April 9, 2008 - 20:46 ET by balboaUm, I'm agreeing with Ken.
Seems a odd topic for
April 9, 2008 - 21:12 ET by general companySeems a odd topic for this LAT writer to fret over, doesn't it?
Yea, ok, but most of us dont have to ask.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I wasn't asking because I
April 9, 2008 - 21:19 ET by balboaI wasn't asking because I wasn't sure.
OK, OK, already
April 9, 2008 - 21:25 ET by general companyOK, OK, already, but I am right about the overtime and memo, right?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Yes, you missed the memo
April 9, 2008 - 21:27 ET by balboaYes, you missed the memo because we got it via our tinfoil hats.
balboas byline
April 9, 2008 - 22:10 ET byShawn, you know that answer! It's you, me, Jer, JasonC! We're craaaaaaazy! ----Balboa
what are you trying to
April 10, 2008 - 11:50 ET by red_dragon311what are you trying to say? just because SOME people do have to ask that they what ........don't respect the Armed Forces, I hope i am misunderstanding
the "reporter" at the LAT is a ass, at the same time it was not untill right now that I learned WHAT the ribbions mean. I knew that they represented...somthing, but had no idea of how much information they held.
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
More of that vaunted
April 10, 2008 - 10:28 ET by pbanks7More of that vaunted "open-mindedness" and "tolerance?"
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
Minimal La Times job requirements...
April 9, 2008 - 18:58 ET by ExtirpaterNo education requirements, computer use is optional, you must complete a course called "How to get paid for subjective opinions and liberal political understanding while making yourself appear to be clinically brain dead in print".
He must watch a lot of "Brain Dead Brian" Williams.
On the other hand, he has done very well for a 3rd grade drop out.
You know, I'm not one who
April 9, 2008 - 19:03 ET by Gary P JacksonYou know, I'm not one who thinks reporters or columnists should be dragged from their offices, by the hair in their heads, kicking and screaming. And then taken outside and beaten to a pulp. But, if that ever became fashionable. This guy would be as good a one to start with as any!
If I had to guess, what
April 9, 2008 - 19:03 ET by sublight68If I had to guess, what really bothers DeBord is that Patraeus wears his uniform with pride, his rank and ribbons earned through a lifetime of honorable service to America.
"...the time-honored military virtues of humility, duty and personal reserve."
Virtues DeBord can only demean in snarky fashion.
I think you got it
April 10, 2008 - 12:25 ET by wizardjrOne of the reasons for hatred and dislike by lefties is that when they see a military person they know they could never be that person. It used to hurt when I'd get crappy comments or hear one of my service buddies getting snarked at by civilians. It finally dawned on me that they do it as a reflex to their inner shame about themselves and what they really are down deep.
I love the lines in Bruce Willis' movie Live Free Or Die Hard where one actor says "I couldn't just let it happen without doing something about it," and Bruce Willis responds, "That's what make you That Guy." Military people are That Guy. Hippies and lefties know they can never be.
Give him a break, he's
April 9, 2008 - 19:11 ET by BlazerGive him a break, he's probably got a collection of old typewriter ribbon's, along with some Pabst Blue Ribbon's, so take that Petraeus, plus..........he's a reporter G-Dammit !
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
→ Blazer
April 9, 2008 - 19:14 ET by Cool ArrowHe didn't toss his typewriter ribbons over the White House fence?
♣ a seal
LOL. Too funny Cool. In
April 9, 2008 - 19:36 ET by BlazerLOL. Too funny Cool. In all serious though, it strikes funny (not really), that idiot's in the MSM like DeBord actually believe they do more of a service and actually are the heroes, when it's men like Petraeus that gives them the freedom to crank out thier bile nonesense.
If the shite hit the fan, this nimrod would probably be the first to run and hide behind Petraeus's pantleg.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Lol! But they were
April 10, 2008 - 00:27 ET by JerryLol! But they were someone ELSE's ribbons. He tossed someone else's typewriter ribbons over the fence. DeBord was busy using his to slay innocent men, women, and children, in a fashion reminiscent of "Jenjus" Khan.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Matthew DeBord, a former
April 9, 2008 - 19:16 ET by stratmanWine guy making fashion tips for a military man?
You're waaay out of your league Mr. DeBord.
RRAM Tough!
Good one, Strat
April 9, 2008 - 19:17 ET by BlondeSweet comment.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
sartorial tips from a wine tasting guy
April 9, 2008 - 19:52 ET by CarlosSI think I'm getting a mental image of this guy now, stratman, a Frasier Crane (from the TV series Frasier) kind of guy
Or Niles
April 9, 2008 - 19:59 ET by stratmanGood one.
Metrosexual all the way.
RRAM Tough!
OK you win
April 9, 2008 - 20:08 ET by CarlosSNiles Crane fussing about what to wear to the wine tasting..., I can't top that...
How's about
April 9, 2008 - 20:16 ET by FastEdThurston Howell III
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
I liked Mr. Howell. I
April 9, 2008 - 20:29 ET by stratmanI liked Mr. Howell.
I don't care much for Mr. Wino much so far.
RRAM Tough!
Without Fraiser there would
April 9, 2008 - 20:27 ET by stratmanWithout Fraiser there would be no Niles.
I wouldn't have thought of Niles if you hadn't said Fraiser. You deserve the lion's share of credit CarlosS.
RRAM Tough!
Strat - that sounds like a
April 9, 2008 - 20:05 ET by Cape Conservativereal good??? background for this twerp to feel qualified to even whisper his comments, much less write about them! His lack of military expertise is quite apparent!!!!! Whatever possessed the editors to allow that story to go to print is beyond comprehension!
Because it's the LATimes,
April 9, 2008 - 20:32 ET by stratmanBecause it's the LATimes, the mutant sibling of the NYTimes.
RRAM Tough!
"Petraeus' ribbon creep"
April 9, 2008 - 19:46 ET by Mark Finkelstein"Petraeus' ribbon creep"
I'd say DeBord is the ribbon creep.
Nice phrase turn!
April 9, 2008 - 20:17 ET by FastEdSee other post - ribbons vs. wine stains.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Must be ribbon envy
April 9, 2008 - 23:08 ET by doug1950Maybe he has "ribbon envy"
Actually, he's been told
April 10, 2008 - 07:59 ET by ThisnThatActually, he's been told that wearing the American Flag lapel pin is too, well, patriotic. And should never be done, especially in public. Being the idiot he is, he now assumes the same principle applies to the military. What a jackass!
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
Yet if he were wearing a
April 9, 2008 - 20:01 ET by GeoGolfYet if he were wearing a baby diaper and body glitter- which is oh so common in Pelosi's San Francisco Parades...... he would be called "brave".
Freaks....the lot of em
"Thank God I am young enough, that I shall see all the 60's Anti American, leftist,freak,dope smoking, flag burning hippies all croak - overtaken by the Reagan babies.......soon"
DeBord is from L.A.
April 9, 2008 - 20:01 ET by surroundednycDeBord is from L.A., the gutless capital of glitter. The medals Petraeus wears are for service to his country. They were earned over years of sacrifice. I doubt DeBord can even comprehend their meaning, hence the attack.
“Without freedom, there is no true humanity.”
W.F.Buckley
I've tried but
April 9, 2008 - 20:24 ET by FastEdI can't find anything positive about DeBord. Haven't found any record of his education, 'cept he wrote about art, wine, and other have critized him for being a weenie. Such is life.
On the other hand, Petraeus, received a BS from West Point, has Masters in Public & International Affairs, and follows that with a PhD in International Relations.
DeBord also needs to understand that ALL those medals and ribbons were EARNED. Can little mattie say he earned anything, other than the ability to sniff corks? He needs to remember that his ability to roam the vinyards of the world, are due to the protection that Petraeus affords him.
I'd rather talk to a MAN who has ribbons on his chest, than a little guy with wine stains on his tie.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
This is the kind of "snarky"
April 10, 2008 - 20:30 ET by Chris NormanThis is the kind of shallow commentary that instead of coming off snarky just proves the writer to be a horse's a** - covering such a serious matter like it was the red carpet at the Golden Globe awards...
Part of uniform
April 9, 2008 - 20:12 ET by ScrapironRibbons and awards are considered part of the uniform and required to be worn. It's no wonder America is falling through the crack of communism. Even the self proclaimed left wing democrat elitest don't know one thing about the country or it's history. To think, we have retards reporting what passes for news. Anyone have that nuts email, i'll send him one he won't like.
22 year military vet.
15 year volunteer fire rescue and still at it.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
→ What is a Crotchkie?
April 9, 2008 - 20:20 ET by Cool ArrowIs it a key for opening a chastity belt?
Is it that guy Dan Rather replaced on CBS Evening News?
♣ a seal
CA, uh,
April 9, 2008 - 20:22 ET by FastEd. . . me thinks you might have had a dyslexia moment.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
.... And you misspelled
April 10, 2008 - 10:38 ET by pbanks7.... And you misspelled SeeBS. ;^D
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
Another MYTH busted!
April 9, 2008 - 20:20 ET by FastEdNot ALL women love a man in uniform!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
→ Not busted yet FastEd
April 9, 2008 - 20:27 ET by Cool ArrowSo far it is only a rumor that Matthew DeBord is a woman.
♣ a seal
Will "he" have a
April 9, 2008 - 20:39 ET by FastEdbaby??
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
The ones who say they don't
April 10, 2008 - 10:14 ET by amberThe ones who say they don't are LYING or lesbians.
Stand up
April 9, 2008 - 20:25 ET by ScrapironHow can any man that still stands up to pee allow himself to be called a democrat much less openly support them?
Old, Retired and glad of it.
Free Stinker Editiorial Board Citation
April 9, 2008 - 20:47 ET by Free StinkerWhereas Matthew DeBord is, IMHO, an ignorant buffoon, and
whereas The Los Angelas Times is suitable only for wrapping fish, and
whereas Mathhew DeBord isn't, and will never be even one one-thousandth of the Man that General Petraeus is
therefore, be it resolved by Free Stinker that I award the following ribbons/medals:
To Matthew DeBord:
To The Los Angeles Times:
FS -
April 9, 2008 - 22:35 ET by Cape ConservativeThat's GOOD!!!!
Free Stinker Please
April 10, 2008 - 10:19 ET by ahusserFree Stinker
Please include the "Bleeding Heart" medal for all those paper cuts and bad wine he had to drink.
Don't forget to award their
April 10, 2008 - 10:29 ET by Hunter12Don't forget to award their hemp leaf clusters, as the BS they spout and the paper cuts have happened more than once. Makes you wonder what they're smoking to form opinions such as this.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Good Grief
April 9, 2008 - 21:29 ET by doug1950Others have already said it all. I am more positive the General is more than capable of wearing the proper uniform for the occasion and as we used to say, "if you earned em, wear em". As someone said, every item and every device is there for a purpose going from accomplishments to tradtion. As a 26 year Navy vet I find his take on the General's dress pathetic. I believe he could find nothing else to talk about because this General has his **** together, so he in true liberal fashion took the low road and looking around could only finally resorts to comments on someones' appearances. Very junior high school of him. I doubt this reporter could even begin to fathom what the uniforms of our nation means to those who wear or have worn it.
I'm speechless!
April 9, 2008 - 23:32 ET by rgoldDoug,
I'm glad that you could articulate my position too, because I am utterly speechless!
"I could conquer the world if only I had enough ribbon." - Napoleon
People like Matthew DeBord
April 9, 2008 - 21:48 ET by zachlindPeople like Matthew DeBord spend their life living off other people’s sacrifices, and resenting it. The military fights their battles while they crouch in corners and hide under tables. Their self esteem has to be measured with a micrometer while their cowardice is visiable for miles. A person like this usually does work at the LA Times.
A Queer Eye......
April 10, 2008 - 04:27 ET by old croFor the Military Guy
Coming soon in ABC's new spring lineup.
Easy there old cro.....
April 10, 2008 - 07:30 ET by OldSailor88Dont' ask, Don't tell.
Thank you Slick Willy!!
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
Just more garbage from a coward
April 10, 2008 - 05:52 ET by SlicksterI didn't tolerate hippies spitting on my uniform 40 years ago and I certainly won't put up from liberal coward now.
WEARING MEDALS
April 10, 2008 - 08:31 ET by Der AlteA soldier can and should wear any medal or ribbon he is authorized to wear. Just because dummies in the media and the public don't like or understand it doesn't diminish their importance, tradition and history.
In fact, the germans up till the end of WWII let soldiers wear their medals in combat. The reasoning was if someone was brave enough to earn it, say the Iron Cross or Combat Assault badge for example, then they had the right to wear it! Take a look at some of those war time photos of german soldiers, enlisted men included and see for yourself!
More anti-military garbage from the the LA Times
April 10, 2008 - 08:19 ET by c5thenPatraeus wore his dress uniform as required by regulations. To do otherwise would have been a dishonor to himself, the Army and Congress. Most military understand that the medals and ribons that you are awarded are in most part because of your fellow servicemen and women and it is in THEIR honor that you wear the awards, not for your own ego.
DeBord is apparently so narssisistic that he can't imagine anyone else thinking any differently than he himself would. Most people reading this tripe would, I hope, end it with pitifull laughter at DeBord for even conceiving it, let alone writing it. It's also amazing that the editor allowed such a stupid and vapid article to be published at all.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
I guess the General should
April 10, 2008 - 11:46 ET by motherbeltI guess the General should be "modest" and not wear his ribbons..don't want to make those with fewer feel inferior, you know. In fact, maybe the Armed Services should just do away with ribbons and awards altogether....
<sarc off>
I guess the General should
April 10, 2008 - 11:46 ET by motherbeltI guess the General should be "modest" and not wear his ribbons..don't want to make those with fewer feel inferior, you know. In fact, maybe the Armed Services should just do away with ribbons and awards altogether....
<sarc off>
I thought
April 10, 2008 - 10:05 ET by nightfighterhe was an admiral
only in committee
April 10, 2008 - 12:32 ET by wizardjrA general is only an admiral when testifying before a Senatorial Committee. It Senate rule 87.b.32 and comes into force (farce?) when there's a Dimocrat in the room.
Preening Envy?
April 10, 2008 - 10:57 ET by Pilgrim1949Our prissy little ersatz journalist seems to be envious of the plummage of the alpha bird-dog in the room (if I might mix metaphors).
Good grief. What a pompous piece of work. This kind of nonsense really pushes the buttons of this former zoomie.
As has been posted, I'm sure the good General was more amused than insulted by this empty-headed cultural effete snob.
Godspeed, General, and keep up the good work!
This is absolutely
April 10, 2008 - 12:22 ET by RickTaLifeThis is absolutely disgusting. DeBord is a no-class fool. I hesitate to label anyone as trash, but DeBord certainly has earned it.
Been there, understand that
April 10, 2008 - 12:43 ET by Figurative1Having spent 6 years in the Army, his uniform is no surprise. I can say from experience that if you have earned and ribbons or clusters for thsoe ribbons, you better be sure they are there. We were inspected regularly for our dress uniform and they knew exaclty what should be there. As far a the name plate goes, it's standard issue and they are all plastic. The only difference is when you may replace the basic issue with one from the Clothing Sales on post which is a higher quality. The writer is obviously anti-military and never bothered to gain any understanding of the military.
No one knows what I do until I do it wrong, then everbody knows.
Memo to DeBord: You're an Idiot
April 10, 2008 - 13:44 ET by CobraManMemo to DeBord: When a member of the military is testifying about military matters to Congress, he or she is performing official military duties and must wear the proper Uniform while performing said duties. In the case of Dress Uniforms, this includes the proper display of all medals and ribbons to which the recipient has been officially awarded. Failure to do so as prescribe is a violation of military regulations and could cause the person in question to face punishment.
In other words, you don't just slap medals, ribbons, and rank and unit insignia on your Uniform because you think they look cute or are trying to impress, you do so because you are required to wear them in accordance to military regulations. It's an official dress code and anyone who fails to follow that code can face punishment that can include Courts-Martial and dismissal from service.
I was a member of the military and I can tell you firsthand that following proper Uniform regulations is VERY important and is highly inforced. I once failed an inspection because I had my rank improperly positioned on my BDU's. After facing a rather humiliating verbal battering by my Platoon Sergeant, and having to perform four hours of "policing" duties (that’s picking up trash to you non-military types), I learned very quickly how important it is to properly follow military dress code, as it is will all military codes and regulations.
I have to wonder how DeBord would have reacted if the General FAILED to wear the required Uniform while testifying? I doubt he'd have anything kind to say about that.
DeBord must have recently
April 10, 2008 - 13:45 ET by airborne-soldierDeBord must have recently heard one of our military cadences and thought General Petraeus was out of uniform:
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If I die on the old drop zone,
box me up and ship me home.
Pin my medals upon my chest,
tell my girl I've done my best.
~~~
So maybe he feels myself and my soldiers should be dead before we wear our ribbons. <sarcastic remarks off>
I'm proud to be serving OUR Army, been doing it for 19 years, and I will continue to serve until the Army deems I can't, Mr. DeBord, feel free to say what you want, I will defend your rights to do that; but please, for your sake, do a little more research before you send your work to print.
Oh I need to add one more additional comment...
Yes we have our plastic name tapes, but I do believe our Congressional members have name plates on their desks. <snide remarks off>
Yes, these same imbeciles
April 11, 2008 - 15:51 ET by fitzfongYes, these same imbeciles who would deny Gen. Petreaus his properly-earned ribbons would also...
- Heap unearned respect on that ludicrously decorated, strangely embittered, immensely self-absorbed, incredibly rude, self-indulgent, pathetic old bat Elton John by referring to "him" as "Sir"
- Lather that cheap, crusty cabaret singer Barbra Streisand in praise for Oscar and Grammy awards (as if those don't count as "flair" at Chotchkie's)
- Endorse the unbelieveable adornments that that shyster creep John Edwards and his bloated partner-in-kind Al Gore heap upon themselves...whether they be $400 haircuts, 28,000 sq. ft. homes or Gulf Stream jets (I've got no problem with their spending of their own money as they see fit, but don't lecture the rest of us)
- Fall all over themselves on the red carpet just to get the chance to ask such "important" people as Jennifer Aniston, Scarlett Johannsen and Ben Affleck "who" they are wearing
- Marvel at the fact that some Hollywood starlet has to hire bodyguards to ensure the gaudy jewel-encrusted Tiffany bracelet or necklace she borrowed isn't stolen or damaged at a self-congratulatory awards show
Yeah, Gen. Petreaus should be really bothered by what this clown has to say. If I were Gen. Petreaus, I'd respond as Michael Bolton in Office Space did..."Why should I change? He's the one who sucks."