LiveScience Uncritically Reports First English Bible Sparked 'Fundamentalism'

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By Ken Shepherd | December 11, 2007 - 16:07 ET

The "First Bible in English may have sparked fundamentalism," suggested the teaser headline on Yahoo.com's front page, as of 2:45 this afternoon. Clicking the link took me to a special feature for LiveScience.com by writer Heather Whipps. Here's her lede:

The translation of the Bible into English marked the birth of religious fundamentalism in medieval times, as well as the persecution that often comes with radical adherence in any era, according to a new book.

Harvard professor James Simpson, the book's author, drew a parallel between early Reformation English Protestants and modern day Islamo-fascists:

Without the clergy guiding them, and with religion still a very important factor in the average person's life, their fate rested in their own hands, Simpson said.

The rise of fundamentalist interpretations during the English Reformation can be used to understand the global political situation today and the growth of Islamic extremism, Simpson said as an example.

"Very definitely, we see the same phenomenon: newly literate people claiming that the sacred text speaks for itself, and legitimates violence and repression," Simpson said, "and the same is also true of Christian fundamentalists."

Of course, nowhere in her article did Whipps point out that religious wars in the centuries after the Protestant Reformation held forth brutality, violent excess, and political injustices by both Protestant (Elizabeth I, Oliver Cromwell) and Catholic partisans (Queen Mary I, St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre) but that would get in the way of story that compares say, I dunno, the Puritans with Osama bin Laden.

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These liberal relativists

These liberal relativists are really, really irritating.

They have do more gymnastics then Marylou Retton in order to equate here-and-now eastern lunacy with the west. It's all relative, right? You only have to GO BACK 500 FREAK'N YEARS in order to find equivalent western atrocities committed in the name of religion.

Oh yeah, and the crusades, too. Those happened a thousand years ago. But THE WEST was involved, so of course that has equal weight in the here and now! It's all relative!!

Serious Error

"...we see the same phenomenon: newly literate people claiming that the sacred text speaks for itself, and legitimates violence and repression..."

This statement is grossly false.  It was the Establishment Clergy, especially the ones who were the least familiar with the scriptures, who were engaging in or urging on the violence.

The "newly literate" people were the persecuted ones.

They also miss the key difference between the Bible and the Quran.  The Bible teaches propagation of the Gospel through preaching, the Quran teaches the propagation of Islam (which literally means 'submission') through conquest and force.

These people should try reading Fox's Book of Martyrs if they really want to know what went on...

Nitpick

"The Bible teaches propagation of the Gospel through preaching"

I think you're talking primarily about the New Testament. The OLD Testament, however, is chock full o' mean ol' nasty God raining hellfire down upon all the heathens and even some innocents.

However, after several hundred years we've allowed reason to set in, and now treat these stories as mostly allegorical. We certainly don't believe that a loving, compassionate God would ever instruct us to murder in His name.

It seems other ideologies are a little slow in that department.

I take the Old and New

I take the Old and New testament as one thing.  Before the advent of Christ, God dealt directly with man, in both judgement and blessing.  Now he has dealt with man through Christ in both judgement (His death on the cross) and blessing (the salvation He offers). 

Even in the Old Testament it was not a matter of 'propagating the Gospel', it was a matter of executing judgement.  God has long ago kicked man out of the execution of judgement business, but unfortunately, too many of us humans never got the memo.

Killgrave that God is not

Killgrave that God is not and was not allegorical, He was, is and will be the same God forever and ever.  He has His purpose for all things, please dont denigrate Him and say those were allegorical.  I suggest you read and pray if you want to understand which it seems you do not.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Kilgrave

 The OLD Testament, however, is chock full o' mean ol' nasty God raining hellfire down upon all the heathens and even some innocents.

Well, why of course that's how it happened, uh other than Sodom & Gommorah; name three times God did such a thing.

"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murderer"  -- the Profff

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Ah Matin Luther was attacked

These liberal college boys are always half baked and always wrong about historical context.

If one examines Christianity, one finds Rome was slaughtering Christians........and not Christians slaughtering Romans.

In time the Roman government created the Holy Roman Empire.....not the Holy Christian Empire, which in various forms was right back at slaughtering Christians who were fundementalists.

Jerome the Catholic created a version of Vulgate bible which kept the Roman Empire control of Catholics and set to work against the Christians again.

The Roman Empire only came out with an English version of the Vulgate the D/R bible which uses inferior translations because the Geneva and the King James Bibles were sweeping all through the European continent..........being a challenge to Roman Power held in various noble clans that finally ended in the Hapsburgs of Austria.

For the record, the leader of the Reformation was Martin Luther and he was under attack from an established RELIGIOUS RULING EMPIRE in Rome. Puritans and Pilgrims were fleeing this persecution AND WERE NON VIOLENT and NON ALIGNED to any government just like modern Christians are.

Now take modern Islam which is state sponsored. Take bin Laden who is Islamofascist and Zawahiri who is ISLAMOCOMMUNIST and both groups including the Muslim Brotherhood of Keith Ellison ALL DEMAND THE OVERTHROW BY POLITICAL MEANS OR VIOLENCE of standing governments for a Caliph.......or MUSLIM EMPIRE.

Christianity has NOTHING to do with this. The wars mentioned in Angle Land or England dealt with Roman Empire religious control over English governments and faiths. It was religion in a empire fight and had nothing to do with Christians.

Harvard should fire James Simpson as he is a moron in it's truest sense of the word as he has no historical perspective of any of this or what Christianity even is compared to state sponsored Islam.

 

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Huh?

Ordinarily I hate Wikipedia, but you are harboring some misconceptions about who was persecuting the people you mentioned:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims

I'm not sure how you think St. Jerome's translation had anything to do with maintaining any government's power.  That's the first I've ever heard a claim like that.

Some errors corrected.

There are a few problems with this article:

 1.  Liberalism brought forth heretical interpretation of the Bible, not vernacular translations.  At the time, virtually anyone who could read, could read Latin. 

2. And from "Where We Got The Bible": 

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...there were actually in existence among the people many copies of the Scriptures in the English tongue of that day. To begin far back, we have a copy of the work of Caedmon, a monk of Whitby, in the end of the seventh century, consisting of great portions of the Bible in the common tongue.

In the next century we have the well-known translations of Venerable Bede, a monk of Jarrow, who died whilst busy with the Gospel of St. John. In the same (eighth) century we have the copies of Eadhelm, Bishop of Sherborne; of Guthlac, a hermit near Peterborough; and of Egbert, Bishop of Holy Island; these were all in Saxon, the language understood and spoken by the Christians of that time. Coming down a little later, we have the free translations of King Alfred the Great who was working at the Psalms when he died, and of Aelfric, Archbishop of Canterbury; as well as popular renderings of Holy Scripture like the Book of Durham, and the Rushworth Gloss and others that have survived the wreck of ages.

After the Norman conquest in 1066, Anglo-Norman or Middle-English became the language of England, and consequently the next translations of the Bible we meet with are in that tongue. There are several specimens still known, such as the paraphrase of Orm (About 1150) and the Salus Animae (1250), the translations of William Shoreham and Richard Rolle, hermit of Hampole (died 1349). I say advisedly ‘specimens’ for those that have come down to us are merely indications of a much greater number that once existed, but afterwards perished.

***

source:

http://www.geocities.com/thecatholicconvert/biblegrahamch11.html

Well no wonder t took a Harvard Professor...

He had to use all his skill and elite training and scholarship in order to get enough facts wrong to make it a plausible premis in the first place. Most "lesser" thinking people would have looked at the chronology (in the correct order) and come away with the idea that the reformists were persecuted and attacked because they were seen as a threat to the existing institutional oligarchy of the Roman Catholic hegemony.

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

While I don't think he was

While I don't think he was adressing why any group was denounced, it may be helpful to remember that goverments of all stripes viewed heresy as form of immorality that should recieve the punishments common for crimes of the day.  Protestant goverments engaged in such activies quite extensively.  Setting aside other Protestant nations for a moment just look the English Reformation goverment:

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0612tbt.asp

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0607fea1.asp

So let's examine this

The rise of fundamentalist interpretations during the English Reformation can be used to understand the global political situation today and the growth of Islamic extremism, Simpson said as an example.

if people reading an English version of the Bible causes the growth of Islamic extremism: then we just have to read Anton LaVey and the Islamic extremists will fade into history.  That or this guy's full of it.

"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murderer"  -- the Profff

Without the clergy guiding

Without the clergy guiding them, and with religion still a very important factor in the average person's life, their fate rested in their own hands, Simpson said.

  You realize of course this also the MSM view of the 'New Media'.  We are the newly unleashed 'fundamentalists' who are taking our fate and the fate of the world into our misguided and untrained hands.  May Edward R. Murrow have mercy on our souls.