As the mainstream media often accentuate the negative in the Iraq War -- see Newsweek's latest photo essay -- independent journalist Michael Yon's latest photograph (pictured at right) is highly unlikely to grace the cover of any major liberally-biased newsmagazine.
Yet the picture of Muslim and Christian Iraqis working together to affix a cross atop St. John's Church in Baghdad is creating buzz throughout the blogosphere on sites such as Captain's Quarters, Michelle Malkin, and the Anchoress as a sign of everyday progress -- not just militarily but in the battle for the "hearts and minds" of the Iraqi people.
Here are some of the Anchoress's thoughts on the matter:
It’s one of those photographs that takes the breath - there is a feeling of cognitive dissonance. Some of us on one side - who perhaps have never understood why we went to Iraq in the first place - may look at this picture and say, “but…but…Iraq is a hell-hole, an unmanageable, unwinnable, place of civil strife, death and occupied people who hate us!”
Some of us on the other side, who - overwhelmed with images of burned flags and screaming mobs - may have forgotten the humanity of the Iraqi people (people we let down once before, and who had reason to distrust us and our commitment) may see these Muslims and Christians raising a cross together, in a language of brotherhood and gratitude, and say, “but…but…all those people are bad people…”
Story Continues Below Ad ↓Some of us will discover that we have said or thought both things at one time or another. It’s not important which one of those people you are. It’s important, though, to get a sense of what is going on over there, where our people are serving, living and dying. It’s important to realize that where there is danger and tragedy, there is also progress and hope. In the major media outlets, we get big servings of the first two and very niggardly helpings of the latter. We need a more balanced diet of information.
In truth, we know so little. So much of the information we get from Iraq is filtered and delivered from “safe” locations. So little of it is unfiltered and delivered from the Iraqi streets.Yon is delivering Iraq to us from the streets, and he’s doing it on donated dimes.
—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters





















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Man your battle stations.
November 8, 2007 - 15:12 ET by JimboMan your battle stations. Here comes Truth Monger!
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
Pretty Please Jimbo.
November 8, 2007 - 15:59 ET by KarmaA time and place for everything. I'm hoping we have no arguments on this blog. Something this good should be left untarnished.
Thanks Jimbo & TruthMonger...
November 9, 2007 - 10:17 ET by Karma...for showing class and restraint, and not being hornswaggled into using Michael Yons' heartwarming photo as a tool of division. A picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe even 4000 sometimes.
One of many
November 8, 2007 - 15:26 ET by CapitalismRulesThis is just one of many examples of what is going on, not just in Iraq, but around the world. Hate is sexy for the MSMs, love and cooperation are for five-year olds watching Mr. Rogers, not for the advertisment-viewing adults who tune in nightly or pick up the magazine or paper.
I have had the chance to work with Muslims from around the world on all kinds of projects from saving infants to building bridges. No place have I found that any one of them interested in the future hated me more than they loved their own children, families, friends and neighbors.
You will not find this type or reporting anyplace because it does not generate $$$$ for media fat cats. Thanks for getting this out there Ken.
Don't thank me, thank
November 8, 2007 - 15:37 ET by Ken ShepherdDon't thank me, thank Michael Yon:
http://michaelyon-on...
Just in
November 8, 2007 - 15:47 ET by ts88This just in, from the MSM;
It could be a wind up key for a WMD that they don't have.
I also remember reading when
November 8, 2007 - 15:48 ET by well99I also remember reading when christians churches were being attacked that muslims went to them to help protect them.Good story.Nice to see something besides the hate stuff pushed by the msm.
Church cross in Bagdad...Drudge has it now...
November 8, 2007 - 17:24 ET by vrwc13PHOTO: Christians, Muslims erect cross in Baghdad...
v
A picture is worth...
November 8, 2007 - 17:25 ET by acumenIf this were a photo of the Sunni Natural Resources Defense Council helping Shia members of Carbon Credits R Us install a compact fluorescent light bulb this would be hailed by the old media as a breaking moment in Iraqi cooperation.
Ken, I'm just
November 8, 2007 - 17:46 ET by LeonKen,
I'm just curious.
You say this photo is not likely to grace the cover of any liberally-biased magazines.
Normally when a photograph is on the cover of a magazine it's accompanied by a story. Generally, cover stories are longer articles.
What exactly would this article be about?
Christians and Muslims are finally working together in some areas of Baghdad as evidenced by this recent, breath-taking photograph.
The End.
Doesn't really seem like a cover story to me.
So why do you think it should be on the cover? It seems more fit to go in a photos of the week display, like on Slate or Yahoo.
Of course not Leon, you
November 8, 2007 - 17:49 ET by Clear thinkerOf course not Leon, you would rather a cover story be about blood, death, gore, and perversion.
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CT, Seriously, what would
November 8, 2007 - 17:50 ET by LeonCT,
Seriously, what would the article be about?
This is one event that is self-explanatory from a photo and a caption.
What's the need for a full article? Would it even be possible to write a full article on this?
Seriously Leon... I could
November 8, 2007 - 17:53 ET by Clear thinkerSeriously Leon...
I could write a book about it, let alone an article.
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CT, You could write a
November 8, 2007 - 17:57 ET by LeonCT,
You could write a whole book about a handful of guys mounting a cross?
Why don't you give it a shot right here.
Write what you think the article should be.
Michael Yon himself could only muster a single paragraph.
Furthermore, somebody get back to me when that photo includes Christians, Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds. Then we can start making Suribachi references.
Nice try Leon... But I
November 8, 2007 - 18:02 ET by Clear thinkerNice try Leon...
But I only write articles, or books for profit.
I am a capitalist.
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Why make the statement if
November 8, 2007 - 18:02 ET by LeonWhy make the statement if you had no interest in following through on it?
Ok. Make you a deal
November 8, 2007 - 18:06 ET by Clear thinkerOk. Make you a deal Leon.... you pay me $1,500 dollars, and I will write you a 4,000 word article on it.
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Why would I pay you to do
November 8, 2007 - 18:08 ET by LeonWhy would I pay you to do something that you VOLUNTARILY proclaimed you could do?
You brought up the idea of writing the article, not me.
$1,500 dollars for your writing?? psssh. Bwahahaha.
Look pea-brain, I said I
November 8, 2007 - 18:14 ET by Clear thinkerLook pea-brain, I said I could...did not say I would.
Unless you wanna pay me of course.
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Ok Buddy, Simmer
November 8, 2007 - 18:18 ET by LeonOk Buddy,
Simmer down.
I have no idea what your point is, but you're acting really bizarre. You're not even a remotely good writer and you're demanding cash to write an article you proclaimed you could write, UNSOLICITED.
That's really strange stuff.
I never claimed to be a
November 8, 2007 - 18:24 ET by Clear thinkerI never claimed to be a good writer, that's why I would only charge you $1,500...buddy!
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CT, I could cut n paste
November 8, 2007 - 18:25 ET by vrwc13CT, I could cut n paste some things for your article, but you would have to increase your price to cover my costs.
v
"V, You've officially won the award for least value added to Newsbusters." - Leon
vrwc... What do I
November 8, 2007 - 18:28 ET by Clear thinkervrwc...
What do I care, Leons paying for it!
Sounds like a good deal to me.
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I would submit that only
November 8, 2007 - 18:18 ET by JasonCI would submit that only the staunchest, most hardheaded cynic would claim that no Iraqis are cooperating with the US. A very small minority. This picture is full of pathos, and touching pathos at that; but it doesn't change anything in the realpolitic of Iraq.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
JasonC....
November 8, 2007 - 18:54 ET by MrShyThen apparently, these need to be the new slogans for some MSM outlets...
CNN:
The Most Staunch, Hardheaded Cynic Of The Iraq War -- Oh, And The Bush Administration
NYT:
All The News That's Hardheadedly Cynical Of The Iraq War -- Oh, And Of "BushCo." (libs love that name)
Do you have a link to a
November 8, 2007 - 19:04 ET by JasonCDo you have a link to a story from either CNN or the NYT that claims there is no cooperation and no progress in Iraq?
Probably not. I guess libel feels safe from the anonymity of cyberspace.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Is this photo insignifant
November 8, 2007 - 19:30 ET by MrShyIs this photo insignifant to you? You feel it's not something worthy of putting in a newspaper or showing on TV news, in any Iraq-related story?
When you consider how the MSM uses "symbolic" photos and imagery left and right (oops, no pun intended... ok, up and down) to enhance a story and to evoke emotion in readers/viewers, how can you race to diminish this photo's potential, or to grade it?
Yes, it is symbolic of the
November 8, 2007 - 19:49 ET by JasonCYes, it is symbolic of the fact that many Iraqis are pulling together and trying to rebuild and embrace pluralism. I think most people know that. But like most media images, as you point out, it is meaningless itself outside of its status as a marker of pathos. Sorry, but I'm an iconoclast.
I contest the baldly false assertion that the MsM never takes note of positive developments. I await your link to the contrary, your example of a member of the MsM characterizing Iraq as an unmitigated disaster. When we've spent almost 5 years in an engagement that continuously wavers between war and post-victory occupation, it is only natural for the media to critique and point out negative aspects. It is scurrilous to claim that the media and the left relishes the negatives, and I resent it.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
JC....
November 8, 2007 - 21:01 ET by MrShyIn re-reading your earlier post after I posted my response, I discovered you wrote that only the most cynical would report that "there IS NO cooperation between Iraqi's and the US". I misread your post as saying they do not report any cooperation, which I haven't seen them do. So, articles or reports that tell us "there is no cooperation" I will agree do not exist -- not among any major outlets, I'm sure. So, in this semantic mix-up, you won.
But I wanted to stay very much on-topic about the use of photos and the bias in the choice of them by the MSM, which is what this site is about and why I went straight to my question.
Deconstructing and analyzing the media's use of "symbolic" images and photos is fine, and I would agree with you, but that would be for another discussion -- and another website. NB's tagline explains what we're here for... to expose and combate liberal media bias, and in this case, the use -- or non-use -- of one symbolic image in the positive vein of the war, versus the all-too-many uses of negative images.
If you feel, over the past 4-5 months of very clear, proven and reported-from-the-ground successes in Iraq, that in conjunction with this we have been given an equal number of positive images to help carry these stories -- as we were given during 2004-06 with all the failures -- then I will flatly disagree with you.
"When we've spent almost 5 years in an engagement that continuously
wavers between war and post-victory occupation, it is only natural for
the media to critique and point out negative aspects."
What worries me with the closing of this statement is that you are tipping toward contradicting yourself in your view -- and our shared view -- of the iconoclastic and real/factual role the media should play, and not one that dramatizes and stirs up emotions and feelings.
To say "it is only natural for the media to critique and point out negative aspects", based on past developments, then you're advocating that the media pick and choose things a bit more... be a bit more skeptical of it with all of the ups and downs (and again, it's been a half-year of very steady improvements) .... play more of a "human/emotional" role.
Story about no Iraq progress
November 9, 2007 - 08:15 ET by ThisnThatJasonC, here's a story dated 30 October, found on CNN.com's web site. Here's a quote from the story: "The prognosis for Iraq, barring a dynamic transformation on the part of the Iraqi government very soon, is grimly apparent. As U.S. forces lessen their presence in the coming months, killings of the kind seen Monday in Diyala will persist there and most likely spread to areas calmed by the increase of U.S. forces. Rising Shi'ite militia unrest in southern Iraq will go on unchecked, leaving the fate of Iraq's richest and most populous territory uncertain. Recently subdued Anbar Province will operate as a kind of Sunni semi-independent emirate, barring any meaningful administration from a central government, much as the northern Kurdish territory already does. And Baghdad will be on edge, watching for signs that the relative calm in the city may be giving way to another wave of violence."
This is pretty grim, written specifically to paint the worst picture possible about our efforts in Iraq. Speaking of pictures, it's accompanied by a picture that depicts a full-scale battle going on.
This is cleary an attempt by the left-wing MSM to downgrade any progress the surge has made in the life of Iraqis. It's simply an agenda-driven propaganda hit piece.
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ThisNThat...
November 9, 2007 - 16:28 ET by MrShyYou are absolutely right... great find, but then, it's really quite easy to find articles that paint a gloomy picture of Iraq STILL.... some half-year into the incredible "surge" of success.
No wait, correction to above: it's really all you WILL find.
Maybe Leon will one day finally get knocked back into consciousness and realize he's been living in a delusional alternate universe where the media is only reporting the facts (NOT).
We'll keep working on him, and the other "guests", until maybe, just maybe, the bell will ring and they'll open their eyes to what the media is doing. Because we here at NB care.
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - me, on surfing (er, "waterboarding")
MrShy
November 9, 2007 - 16:45 ET by ThisnThatJason, Leon, Bal -- they all see the overwhelming (100:1 ratio) of negative-to-positive stories spun by the MSM, but they are so brainwashed they fail to see just how bad it is. It's just like Pelosi this week saying there has been no progress, therefore everything must change -- we have to bring the troops home NOW, today, because we are losing.
The average American can see right though this; the average MSM correspondent is trying his best to counter-act the truth with lies; the average Jason buys into this MSM crap hook, line, and sinker. There's no hope for the average Jason or the typical MSM; but there is hope for the average American.
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ThisNThat
November 9, 2007 - 17:01 ET by MrShyThat's pretty depressing then, because I care about Jason, about Leon, about Balboa. I really do. I care about the good of mankind.
What you notice they like to do is quickly be snarky and throw up an example, or examples, that really veer off the topic. My leftwing liberal brother does this. Naturally, he can't stand when I call him liberal (yeah, shocking!)
What's really shocking is, I actually think he's smarter than me... amazingly smart... my whole family is. But when we start talking politics and culture, he just starts sounding like a totally smug, I'm-not-elitist (but I know more than you) windbag like Jon Stewart, and then I'm left speechless because I really can't penetrate his fixed way of thinking.
His core beliefs are that all religion is evil (Maher, anyone?) and the REALLY insane one... that Christian fundamentalism is as much of a threat (not just saying scary, but a present threat/danger, he means) as Islamic fundmentalism... thinks the media is right-leaning, not left- .... I mean, it goes on and on, and what can I say to all this?
"Alright, bro, talk to you soon"... is usually what I end up saying :p (I'm not the greatest debater in person, I'll admit...)
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
For outreach to family lefties...
November 9, 2007 - 17:07 ET by sarcasmoMay I suggest "Healing Our World, The Other Piece of the Puzzle" by my friend Dr. Mary Ruwart, as an excellent text. The only risk (at least, for some folks here) is, it usually turns 'em into libertarians, not conservatives. ;} The benefit is that an old version's online, and it's free! Another friend, who has sadly passed on, did an excellent job turning the Green Party's principles into questions and then answering them -- here's a short version. Harry's & Dr. Mary's material really works on thinking lefties, they tend to come back and thank you years-later when you've forgotten you even suggested it. :)
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.
MrShy, I don't pretend
November 9, 2007 - 17:47 ET by LeonMrShy,
I don't pretend that media isn't biased.
What offends me most about this site and the posters on this site is the assumption that people are too stupid to assess the news for themselves. This site seems to think that they need to tell people the what for and the and how b/c they're too stupid to figure it out on their own. It's an arrogant position.
Sure MSNBC is left-leaning, but FOXNEWS is right leaning.
When the war was going bad the media ganged up on Bush, but when the post-9/11 response was going well, they gave him a free pass.
It's a fickle industry that's influenced at many levels by employees, sponsors, editors, advertisors, etc. etc.
The media's only agenda is to make money. The same as any other business in America. They do what they think will make them the most money. Why all the bad news all the time? B/c that's what Americans like. Watch the local news. Check any of your local listings. Is it shocking to you that people like to watch bad news when shows like Intervention & Jerry Springer are popular?
The idea of a liberal agenda is silly b/c it implies some level of ideological commitment. When there is bias it's b/c they think it will make them money. They think people will watch.
The only agenda is profitability. This site is offensive for those two reasons:
1) Assumes people cant' figure out something as simple as bias
2) Ignores the fact that most media companies are publicly traded and therefore have many many people to answer to, i.e. shareholders.
The article could be
November 8, 2007 - 20:13 ET by BDThe article could be entitled "Success." And cover the past three months of operations and their success. Actually, this story could run for about ten pages and list several sidebars.
BD...
November 9, 2007 - 16:30 ET by MrShyTo - ta - lly!
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - me, on surfing (er, "waterboarding")
Leon - here's a start...
November 8, 2007 - 17:58 ET by vrwc13Christians, Muslims erect cross in Baghdad
Michael Yon emails: "I photographed men and women, both Christians and Muslims, placing a cross atop the St. John's Church in Baghdad. They had taken the cross from storage and a man washed it before carrying it up to the dome. A Muslim man had invited the American soldiers from 'Chosen' Company 2-12 Cavalry to the church, where I videotaped as Muslims and Christians worked and rejoiced at the reopening of St John's, an occasion all viewed as a sign of hope. The Iraqis asked me to convey a message of thanks to the American people. 'Thank you, thank you,' the people were saying. One man said, 'Thank you for peace.' Another man, a Muslim, said 'All the people, all the people in Iraq, Muslim and Christian, is brother.' The men and women were holding bells, and for the first time in memory freedom rang over the ravaged land between two rivers. (Videotape to follow.)"
UPDATE: Nashville's Bob Krumm: Sixty years ago a picture of Marines planting the flag on Mount Suribachi was an important moment in World War II since it showed the world a tangible American victory over Japanese imperialism. Today’s picture of Muslims planting a cross on on a Christian Church in Baghdad shows the world evidence of a tangible American victory over an imperialism of hate.
RELATED: KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Close to 90,000 children who would have died before age 5 in Afghanistan during Taliban rule will stay alive this year because of advances in medical care in the country, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Sunday. Les Jones: The article goes out of its way to give any credit to the U.S., devoting just one sentence (the last sentence) to the American role: "A U.S.-led invasion in 2001 toppled the Taliban militant movement from power."
Then the article could go on to many other stories of hope and success in Iraq and Afganistan. Neat, huh?
v
"V, You've officially won the award for least value added to Newsbusters." - Leon
V, Seriously. We know
November 8, 2007 - 17:58 ET by LeonV,
Seriously. We know how links work.
We dont' need you to cut and paste them for us.
Do you ever have an original thought or do you need to use others' words to participate in the conversation?
Thanks for wasting space...again.
Leon...today verse 4...
November 8, 2007 - 18:06 ET by vrwc13Leon...today verse 4... (plus a bonus)
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes. Psalm 26
bonus...
“Any fool can criticize, complain, condemn, and most fools do. Picking your battles is impressive and fighting them fairly is essential” - Dale Carnegie
Ah more cutting and
November 8, 2007 - 18:09 ET by LeonAh more cutting and pasting.
You need help my friend. It's so bizarre to me that you would go to a link we all have access to, copy the whole web page, and then paste it here as if it proves some point.
In fact, your copy and pasting proved MY point. You can't write a whole article about this picture. Yon could only write one paragraph.
vrwc13: 2 leon: 0
November 8, 2007 - 20:17 ET by Free Stinkervrwc13: 2
leon: 0
Leon: Earlier you asked
November 8, 2007 - 20:17 ET by BDLeon:
Earlier you asked what story could possibly accompany that particular photo on the cover of a modern newsmagazine.
VRWC simply posted the suggested story from a Michael Yon Blog and then gave you an example of the use of the Flag rasing on Iwo Jima as a nice historical example that LIFE magazine did.
Are you saying the photo provided by Michael Yon does not have any meaning or that the story enclosed should not be told?
BD, He went to the link
November 9, 2007 - 10:11 ET by LeonBD,
He went to the link on Drudge and copied the entire page and pasted it here.
The Yon story and the Suribachi ridiculousness are on the same website.
1) Everyone already saw it b/c it was on Druge
2) He could just paste us the link
3) I already referenced how Michael Yon could only scrap together one paragraph to accompany the photo.
I find this picture even
November 9, 2007 - 12:49 ET by JasonCI find this picture even more interesting in its ability to expose the hypocrisy of a certain fringe-right group. The past few days on NB, there has been an increased harangue concerning whether all Islamic people, and Islam as an institution, should be considered in league with terrorism. This has culminated with Free Stinker's recent forum post, congratulating those who posted comprehensive lists of Islamic terrorist incidents of the past 30-odd years.
Yet, doesn't this picture and its purported significance, which many of you are accusing the MsM of repressing, completely torpedo that exact sentiment?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Yes JasonC, Great post as
November 9, 2007 - 13:43 ET by LeonYes JasonC,
Great post as usual.
It's strange to me to watch the Newsbusters cheer this development rabidly on one hand, but then display clear hatred toward all muslims (whom they consider to be either terrorists or terrrorist supporters) on the other.
The hypocrisy is astounding. How can you care about the fate of Iraq while simultaneously considering all Muslims to be in cahoots with the terrorists?
Did you have a list?
November 9, 2007 - 20:45 ET by well99You will have to post the link where I said I hated all muslims.Even one where I implied it.So I guess if I use your broad brush I can say all liberals hate Republicans.I can say all liberals are theives and traitors(Sandy Berger).If you are going to take things out of context I guess everyone can.Now I dont actually believe that about liberals...leftist yes.Show me the link where I lump all muslims in one batch.
Leon....
November 8, 2007 - 18:19 ET by MrShyA photo that clearly can be used, symbolically, to reflect the great success we've achieved in Iraq? Is that the photo we're talking about?
Yes, I think someone -- anyone -- could write an article filling up an entire issue of Newsweek and every other news magazine, cover to cover. In fact, it could even be a "special issue". Why, if I were the editor-in-chief, I'd push for it... anything to finally get the word out of all the positive developments coming out of Iraq.
Jeez, if only someone in the MSM would lift a finger to write this comprehensive, detailed (city to city, death rates plummeting, etc... you get the idea) piece on all the great improvements and achieved security in Iraq.
Well hey, I can dream, can't I?
And, yes, I'd say this would be the perfect photo/image to symolize this. Let's get cracking on the cover folks... and Leon, we need a headline... you can come up with that.
Don't get cross
November 8, 2007 - 17:57 ET by acumenSeriously, what would the article be about?
Maybe if you prayed on it Leon...
...then God would write the
November 8, 2007 - 18:03 ET by Leon...then God would write the article?
You catch on fast, little
November 8, 2007 - 18:08 ET by vrwc13You catch on fast, little one.
v
"V, You've officially won the award for least value added to Newsbusters." - Leon
V, MORE cutting and
November 8, 2007 - 18:11 ET by LeonV,
MORE cutting and pasting?
Can't even think of your own name for me? Have to steal bigtimer's lingo?
Is there even a single original thought in that empty dome of yours?
You catch on fast,
November 8, 2007 - 18:13 ET by vrwc13You catch on fast, simple and plain one.
v
"V, You've officially won the award for least value added to Newsbusters." - Leon
Now you're just stealing my
November 8, 2007 - 18:15 ET by LeonNow you're just stealing my lingo.
Move along tiger.
Your day has passed.
I'm surprised you even managed to hang around after your idol, Deborah, got tossed.
Leon...my idol...LINK! v
November 8, 2007 - 18:40 ET by vrwc13Leon...my idol...LINK!
v
Surprised?
November 8, 2007 - 18:40 ET by well99I knew you were liberal in your politics but didnt think you and Jason C were so blinded.The bottom line is this shows hope.Big things are made up by a bunch of little things.It may not show the whole picture but neither did the flag raised at Iwo Jima.It is a symbol.I dont have to have the full story on that to know the meaning behind it.I guess you went to the Neil Gabler school of politics.
That's your take and you
November 8, 2007 - 17:55 ET by CapitalismRulesThat's your take and you are certainly entitled to it. I think however, this is trying to illustrate another piece of media hypocracy. If this picture had been one of a Christan or a Muslim defiling the religious symbol of the other, I cetainly believe that the NYT would lead off with the photo and a huge story entitled "Christians and Muslims: The New Front in the Iraq War."
-In another sign that the U.S. is failing in its efforts to curb sectarian violence in Iraq, angry Muslims rushed to defile sacred Christian symbols in the wake of recent bombings and violence that has gripped this nation since the U.S. invaded in 2003 under pretenses that Saddam Hussein harbored weapons of mass destruction. (so on and so forth)
-That's MY take.
Capitalism, Perhaps you
November 8, 2007 - 18:02 ET by LeonCapitalism,
Perhaps you are correct, however, we have no idea. My feeling is that that stuff probably still goes on and the media doesn't report it b/c in the grand scheme of things it's not that important.
But you're right in 2003 they would have been all over it, but I think we have to chalk some of that up to the rampant chaos and the resulting confusion/fear the situation caused in America.
True, it is a hypothesis,
November 8, 2007 - 18:09 ET by CapitalismRulesTrue, it is a hypothesis, but I do seem to recall a big bru-ha ha over a Koran being flushed down the toilet, so was THAT important?
Capitalism, Now?
November 8, 2007 - 18:10 ET by LeonCapitalism,
Now? NO.
But at the time, it was important within the context of Abu Gharib.
So then isn't this
November 8, 2007 - 18:17 ET by CapitalismRulesSo then isn't this "important" in the "context" of the recent "decline in violence?"
Not when also taken in the
November 9, 2007 - 10:12 ET by LeonNot when also taken in the context that the decline in violence, is in a major part, due to ethnic cleansing.
as this photo clearly
November 9, 2007 - 10:53 ET by CapitalismRulesas this photo clearly shows....... Sarcasm off. (let's please try to stay on topic if nothing else)
Liberal media...
November 8, 2007 - 18:17 ET by Clear thinkerIt just dawned on me that a liberal rag could run this picture with a completely different angle.
"Insurgents storm Christian Church and destroy cross"
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Clear T....
November 8, 2007 - 18:23 ET by MrShyYeah, true! :p
Btw, posted something above regarding this photo.... it's amazing how those who refuse to digest the good news in Iraq are so quick to dismiss an image like this.
MrShy... Only the pukes in
November 8, 2007 - 18:26 ET by Clear thinkerMrShy... Only the pukes in the liberal media.
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WOW, CT, I was gonna use
November 8, 2007 - 18:32 ET by MrShyWOW, CT, I was gonna use the word "puke" earlier in a post... wanted to say "this makes me wanna puke", to the blog about the AQI being driven out getting low-visibility in the NYT... but went w/ something else... funny, that's all (yes, this is a somewhat wasted post, but whateva' :p)
MrShy...
November 8, 2007 - 18:33 ET by Clear thinkerWe may be related.
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CT....
November 8, 2007 - 18:39 ET by MrShyWe may?
(I saw no winkies or anything, so I'm taking your post half-seriously :p at the risk of looking really stupid....)
I like to save my winkies
November 8, 2007 - 18:45 ET by Clear thinkerI like to save my winkies for the gals.
If we are related... I really feel for you. Most of my relatives think I'm a mean white neo-con.
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"Most of my relatives think
November 8, 2007 - 18:52 ET by MrShy"Most of my relatives think I'm a mean white neo-con."
That confirms it.... we ARE !!
;)
(I don't gender-discriminate :))
A picture is worth a
November 8, 2007 - 18:39 ET by rx4musicA picture is worth a thousand words...
And Leon's thoughts?
A thousand turds...
rx4
November 8, 2007 - 19:24 ET by BlondePrecisely. It's really a pity to see this thread derailed in this fashion by the resident troller.
What wonderful news from Iraq. I find it terribly discouraging that all of the positives are just going un-reported (remember, a couple of MsM'ers said so a week or two back....they didn't deem it important enough).
I also read a couple of milblogs, including Michael Yon's, and the news there is encouraging as well. Eventually the MsM may be shamed into reporting it. Maybe.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
We can still dream Blonde
November 8, 2007 - 19:59 ET by acumenEventually the MsM may be shamed into reporting it.
It is mindblowing Blonde that all we are left with is the hope of shame to get the demedia to report something which to any compassionate human being is great news for Iraq and consequently others in the world that are desperate to unshackle the chains of oppression.
It is beyond mindblowing that the demedia chooses to hide the recent success in Iraq from America and the rest of the world all for political purposes. It is difficult to comprehend that to the demedia the presidency of Hillary is more important than millions of Iraqis? Evidently the demedia is immune to shame.
That distresses (would like to use other words there) me more than I can put into words. For the first time in history the Iraqis have a chance to enjoy the freedoms most Americans demand for themselves and the demedia has done everything in their power to prevent the Iraqis from possesing this treasure.
Wouldn't it be nice if just this one time the demedia would quit obsessing about what is bad for Bush/Republicans and do something good for the Iraqis? Hey, it's America....we can still dream.
rx4, blonde, acumen....
November 8, 2007 - 20:53 ET by MrShyYeah, it really is unreal... and sort of scary... how they are in lock-step to not truly report the good news, with good/upbeat images to accompany them.
You can read my post above (a bit long, but you might like it) in response to one of our resident, umm... er, guests (I will keep the high road :)) who simply sees it differently from us.... :p
MrShy
November 8, 2007 - 21:09 ET by BlondeI will say this in public for the first time...but I had literally NO IDEA about how much lying and liberal agenda pushing went on in the MsM before I was referred to NB's. And I've always considered myself to be a bit of a "political junkie"
I just watched it and kind of went, "Okay". Fortunately....someone pointed out this site to me (it was when Dick Cheney had his unfortunate hunting incident). Now I don't believe there's a non-agenda item reported in the mainstream media.
The total lack of coverage on the plethora of good news in Iraq is maddening (as ac said earlier, he wanted to call it by other words). In Blondespeak....que'lle crap.
Someone here today said we need to get active....and I agree. Write to the advertisers on these lying agenda-ized media news spewers, and back it up with our $$ votes. It's the only way we'll ever change anything.
Commenting on it here is fine....but I think it's time for a call to action.
<edit> I just read your most excellent post above. Bravo!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde... and KEN SHEPHERD !!
November 8, 2007 - 21:25 ET by MrShyI totally agree, Blonde!! Believe me, I'm with you, and as disgusted and fed-up with just blogging about it as you are...
If ever a person has a REAL fear of being slowly closed-in by a fascist, corporate-controlled state, it's us "conservatives" (I'm still a registered Dem ;)) and the real and dangerous threat of the propaganda machine that is the MSM.
Ken and NB and people who agree..... WHAT CAN WE DO ???!!!
I live in NYC, and I feel like the people in my building, the guys I meet playing b-ball with, my brother and my mom, my possible-next gf..... and the people I meet in Europe when I travel.... I can go on and on... they've all turned into zombies when it comes to this.
Am I living a real-life "Night of the Living Dead"? or "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"?
I tell ya', I really feel like I am lately....
oh and, now my <edit>.... ;)
THANK YOU! :)
MrShy
November 8, 2007 - 21:37 ET by BlondeWe vote with our dollars, of course.
And become activists. Susan Sarandon and the libs do it all of the time. We (conserves) need to do the same.
I don't know, exactly what it was about your post, but my head kind of went "click". It's all well and good to post here, make wise and witty comments.
But if we truly want to change the direction of this country.....we need to get off our a**** and make corporate America (and yes, I get it, I work for a Fortune 500) pay attention.
We need to take back the agenda, as well as the political arena. We need to kick the liberal "zombies", as you so succinctly phrased it, back to the curb. Marginalize them. They're takers. We're earners.
As always, it's "follow the money". And as I'm fond of saying, if you've got it, flaunt it.
So, bottom line (sorry, that's such an agressive thing to say...but hey, it's just me) we have to go for it and put our MONEY where our thoughts are.
And, finally, if you are hating NYC....come to Florida....the water is fine here.
And, finally, I apolgize for the delay in responding...I'm researching adopting a red doberman from a rescue place. Oh, how sweet is the internet?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
November 8, 2007 - 22:20 ET by MrShyYou are my new NB friend/buddy (in my profile here... whatever word they use... I'm forgetting :p)
Yes, voting and money... although, I may be one of the few very-poor/struggling NB'ers here. But ANOTHER idea is to picket in front of CNN and NBC, CBS, etc.. down in midtown Manhattan. But again, I'm alone in this big city. Everyone's been brainwashed.... everyone I know at least. I could look up an ex-girlfriend who was one of the rare right-leaning breed (or center... the TRUE center :))
No prob at all, btw, about the perceived delay... which it wasn't to me at all. I always have NB on my computer, but I'm also doing several things here myself.
Never been to Florida, so I'm long overdue :)
Oh, and check out my response to Bal... I try hard to keep these gal's/fella's on the straight and narrow, and not bite the distracting, or "gotcha", bait :p
Shy & NK
November 8, 2007 - 22:37 ET by BlondeI don't even know what cracked my conciousness, tonite.
But.....picketing in front of an office is stupid. You'll lose your job and it's just not worth it.
Writing to companies who do business & allow implicit views to push the liberal agenda is another thing entirely.
Activism takes many forms. But, personally, I've decided I'm over it. Liberal stupdity.
So, along with my personal commitment at work (yes, I told you I work for a F5....so I have some kind of serial responsibilities) I am going to personally commit to harrasing at least 3 companies a week who advertise on idiot sites.
Let's put our $$$ where it counts.
Comapnies do respond.....trust me... I know this for a fact.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde...
November 8, 2007 - 23:15 ET by MrShy"But.....picketing in front of an office is stupid. You'll lose your job and it's just not worth it."
My job doing graphic design from home? :p
But yeah, harrasing companies that advertise on sites, well....
"I'm all for that" (North By Northwest, 1959)
Maybe barrage (sp?) them with emails? I could also post a site that simply displays logos of companies that run ad banners on certain sites... and do we mean cnn.com, msnbc.com, etc? and we can figure out ways to circulate/promote it... ?
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
Shy,
November 8, 2007 - 23:27 ET by BlondeI am soooo over it.
I would never picket (hello...management).
But I suspect that those of us who are conservative, if we voice our opinoins directly...i.e e-mail companies....will make a difference.
Sorry, I'm kind of in a thought mode, trying to transform my own employer....but being in that mode, we can affect (I love that word..AFFECT) change.
Write the people with whom you do business who piss you off! Make them know why.
We can count, if we choose to.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Protest 'em in Des Moines
November 8, 2007 - 22:25 ET by nkviking75Hardy Midwesterners could picket the network's location shoots in Des Moines in the run up to the Iowa Caucuses on Jan. 3rd. Yeah, I know, January in Des Moines doesn't compare with a global warming conference in the tropics. Those who brave the weather will make that much more of an impression.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Preaching to the choir
November 8, 2007 - 22:09 ET by nofatePreaching to the choir here. I've been a fan for a long time. It is he, Newsbusters, The Anchoress, Michelle, and all the others in the "new media" that keep the antiques from getting away with outrages like they pulled off in the Viet Nam era. It is the "new media" that will eventually put an end to the "long march" of the socialists through American institutions. The Anchoress says:
That is not a mistake. It is calculated and deliberate. It will change.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
I can't even find the photo
November 9, 2007 - 09:57 ET by Free StinkerI can't even find the photo in the Newsweek story.
Was it removed, or did Newsweek update the feature?
posted in wrong place
November 9, 2007 - 16:24 ET by MrShysorry...