Time's Joe Klein, aka the Anonymous who wrote "Primary Colors," painted a very nasty portrait of the crop of 2008 Republican candidates for the presidency on his October 24 appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." Particularly of note, Klein referred to the former Republican governor of Massachusetts as a "troglodyte.":
Look at Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney, you know, ran as a liberal against Ted Kennedy in 1994. Then he ran as a moderate for governor, and now he's running as a troglodyte. It's unbelievable.
Video (1:13): Real (2.01 MB) and Windows (2.28 MB), plus MP3 audio (563 kB).
Romney has come under fire from conservatives, and perhaps quite fairly, for his flip-flopping on key issues over the past two decades. Yet no respectable pundit on the left or right would characterize the affable family man as a "troglodyte."
Even so, Klein's invective went unanswered by host Joe Scarborough, who helpfully added, "And it seems to work in all cases."
Scarborough did object to Klein later calling presidential aspirant and California Representative Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) a "fruitcake."
Remarkably, Klein's appearance on "Morning Joe" was supposed to deal mostly with an article he penned for Time in which he argued that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is catching a second wind in his campaign after months in the doldrums.
Of course if Klein is positive on McCain's campaign direction while slamming virtually every other GOP contender, it doesn't do much to assauge conservative angst about McCain potentially reprising the GOP media darling role he performed in the 2000 GOP presidential primaries.
In related news, Klein laid out at Time's Swampland blog his view that illegal immigration is, on the whole, a net positive for America. This cuts squarely against the views of conservative voters shopping for a candidate in 2008, and pretty much against the views of most if not all the 2008 GOP candidates. In other words, it's hard to imagine Klein doesn't think Thompson and Tancredo are "troglodytes" for their enforce-the-borders positions:
I tend to be an extremist on this issue. I am wildly in favor of immigration, legal and illegal. I realize that national security--i.e. terrorism--requires that we secure the borders, and that's a good thing, if almost impossible. But as a New Yorker, I'm deeply grateful to the immigrants, many of them illegal, who saved the city by bringing commerce (and sales tax revenues) to some of the toughest neighborhoods in the 1970s and 1980s.
—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters




















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So Scarborough drew the line
October 24, 2007 - 16:06 ET by Chris NormanSo Scarborough drew the line at "fruitcake", proving that he has some limits left - somewhere.
I heard Mr. Anonymous this
October 24, 2007 - 16:11 ET by bigtimerI heard Mr. Anonymous this morning blathering with his leftist talkin' points...I also heard him say to Joe, so you are a conservative again?
It went on from there for a bit...I was quite amused...so was my other half, I said well with Joe he takes turn being a RINO every now and then...I was really amused at all of this even before my coffee was done....that is saying a lot!
BT, He's a ROOB:
October 24, 2007 - 17:19 ET by Chris NormanBT,
He's a ROOB: Republican On & Off Basis. :)
Chris... ROOB...LMAO....
October 24, 2007 - 17:21 ET by bigtimerChris...
ROOB...LMAO....
I like it ..... I like it!
Chris, I don't know if this
October 24, 2007 - 18:41 ET by motherbeltChris, I don't know if this is what you were thinking, but I think he drew the line at "fruitcake" not because of the "nutty as a fruitcake" thing, but because nowadays it can be taken as an gay slur. He doesn't care if anyone calls Hunter a nut, but he wasn't taking any chances on the other.
mb, Every once in a
October 24, 2007 - 19:03 ET by Chris Normanmb,
Every once in a while, Scarborough will voice mild disagreement at some liberal's comment(s) - not too much, and all in good fun - he wouldn't want to be perceived as being hostile or anything - he wants to show he can get along just fine with his new friends.
Joe Klein is the real Troglodyte
October 24, 2007 - 16:25 ET by RJHe didn't appear on camera, but his voice made it clear he was spitting mad.
His statement, "I am wildly in favor of immigration, legal and illegal" provides the reason for his bitter venom toward those who oppose illegal immigration.
What a guy.....
Romney has not Flip-Flopped
October 24, 2007 - 16:33 ET by Daniel BakerHe has become more politically conservative on abortion. Flip-Flopping is going back and forth.
Evangelicals for Mitt
Well, at least Mr. Klein
October 24, 2007 - 16:40 ET by BeowulfWell, at least Mr. Klein got one thing right in his little tirade - "usually the republicans are the ones who have national security and foreign policy experience".
What's sad is that no one keyed in on this little tidbit - or maybe we should call it a Freudian Slip. While still attempting to slam the GOP field with the to-be-expected liberal name calling, what about the admission that the Democrats DON'T have national security or foreign policy experience? Aren't these two things somewhat important for the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet to have experience in with the current world situation? Thanks Joe.
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Klein is A Moron
October 24, 2007 - 16:42 ET by KevroyKlein's comment, "national security--i.e. terrorism--requires that we secure the borders, and that's a good thing" is laughable when paired with his previous comment that he is 'wildly in favor of illegal immigration'.
Isn't that inciting anarchy? It's like saying, "I'm wildly in favor of illegal drugs, yet I understand why we must stem the flow from the drug cartels".
I have gotten to the point
October 24, 2007 - 16:52 ET by motherbeltI have gotten to the point where I generally just read the transcripts; don't look at the videos. Honestly, it's hard enough just reading what these people say sometimes, without having to look at their smug, condescending mugs while they do it.
And excuse me Joe (Klein, not Scarborough): since when are conservatives "Troglodytes"? That's just the kind of description (commie pinko!) you would call "hate speech" and evidence of a "lack of substance on the issues' were it directed at a liberal.
"Hate speech cannot be
October 24, 2007 - 17:08 ET by kathleenirish"Hate speech cannot be uttered by elite liberal MSM". That's one of their commandments I think....up there with 'Cover for Hillary at all costs" and "Blame Bush for everything". Troglodyte, indeed, you scum-sucking anti-American piece of shite Joe Klein. Which will disappear first, "Time" or "The New York Times"?
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
kathleen, the "Troglodyte"
October 24, 2007 - 17:38 ET by motherbeltkathleen, it's not really a commandment, but more like a "theorem" ....you know, like the Pythagorean theorem....just a "fact" of life. The "Troglodyte" comment is living proof (as if we need more) that to liberals, there are no moderates or conservatives; just "normal" people (liberals) and the "extreme right wing."
Supporting the Troops
October 25, 2007 - 04:15 ET by NortoBeliever
Amen, KI.
My GOP slogan for '08,
IT'S THE MISSION, STUPID!"
Idiocy from Joe Klein
October 24, 2007 - 17:33 ET by johnbarryPerhaps Joe Klein should address the real issue: Hillary the Socialist hasn't run a corner store. She hasn't run a state. She hasn't run a city. She has never run anything. Klein is a German word which means petty or small. What an apt name for one so petty and small minded.
Election season wolfbane.........
October 24, 2007 - 17:39 ET by BrillianceThe most effective political damage can be inflicted upon the democrats by relentlessly exposing their now prolific failure to - As of yet - nominate a "minority" for the office of President of the United States.
This fact should be pointed out subtly, on occasion - And blatently, when warranted.
I don't think conservatives realize the war chest of political weapons available to us with this issue.
Understand, it is the PERFECT slap in the face to guilt-ridden white liberals nationwide and could very well cause an uneasy sore spot between blacks and whites in the democratic party.
Questions?
Joe Clown and that Pinko
October 24, 2007 - 18:02 ET by fitzfongJoe Clown and that Pinko Scumbag Krugman always seem to crawl out from under their rocks at the same time so as to prove to everyone that they're not the same guy. Klein clearly states that he's in favor of illegal immigration. Tell me, Mr. Klein, how, exactly, did illegal immigrants bring in sales tax revenues? Did they steal someone else's Social Security/Tax ID number to do it? Perhaps they didn't generate any sales tax revenue at all because they were paid under the table? Ever heard of an underground economy? He had more credibility when he was the anonymous apologist for the Clinton disaster.
I have to admit that I
October 24, 2007 - 18:09 ET by mostlymoderateI have to admit that I needed to look up troglodyte. I havn't heard that word since college! Joe Klein is a moron. Even though Romney is not my choice, he is still a better choice than Obama Hussein and Mrs. "putty-thighs" Clinton.
Mrs. "putty-thighs"
October 24, 2007 - 18:34 ET by motherbeltMrs. "putty-thighs" Clinton.
You know how sometimes you remember something, but don't know why? Well I just had a flashback to David Letterman. When Bill Clinton first took office, and used to go out jogging...Letterman had a running gag going for a while, involving Clinton's "pasty white thighs." LOL
Sequence Initiated
October 24, 2007 - 18:32 ET by uncle_buckI wonder if Joe Klein had referred to Romney as a "f@ggot" instead of a trogolodyte if he would have gotten advertsing space above the newsbusters comment section. <sarcasm intended \ tongue in cheek get a clue arrow watch sequence initiated>
Colbert \ Craig '08
?
October 24, 2007 - 18:39 ET by Chris Norman?
Captain Kirk :
October 24, 2007 - 19:19 ET by uncle_buckCaptain Kirk : "Spock, is the tongue in cheek get a clue arrow watch sequence still in effect?"
Spock : "Yes Captain. We've already had one block on the system. Apparently the visitor did not identify the Anne Coulter ad above the comments or perhaps they were confused by the tongue in cheek get a clue arrow watch sequence filter."
Captain Kirk : "Spock. Could there be a problem with the tongue in cheek get a clue arrow watch sequence? As a Vulcan, it may seem logical to you that calling one a "troglodyte" is similar to calling someone else a "f@ggot".
Spock : "Yes Captain - it is very similar."
Captain Kirk : "But Spock - are you familiar with the concept of hypocrisy."
Spock : "Captain, I am very familiar with that concept. And this idea of "hypocrisy", it is a trait which I have seen demonstrated in all humans from all sides, but in varying degrees.
Captain Kirk : "Thank you Spock - is the tongue in cheek get a clue arrow watch sequence still in effect?"
Spock : "Yes Captain."
Captain Kirk : "OK - let's hope the shields hold up!"
Okaaaaay......
October 24, 2007 - 20:01 ET by Chris NormanOkaaaaay......
Chris,
October 24, 2007 - 20:09 ET by Dave RI think it's well beyond time Uncle Buck was thrown overboard.
Perhaps shark-infested waters are in order here.
Dave, I'm at a loss for
October 24, 2007 - 20:17 ET by Chris NormanDave,
I'm at a loss for words here...
Chris, that is a first for you here at NB.
October 24, 2007 - 20:19 ET by Dave RLMAO!
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