CBS Blogger Mocks, Misunderstands Conservative Baptist Teaching on Women

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Here we go again. Another instance of a reporter mocking conservative Christian teaching. And giving an atta-boy to Jimmy Carter to boot.

In an October 11 post to The Skinny blog at CBSNews.com, Keach Hagey took a reductionist and highly stereotypical slant to biblical teaching on Christian households, mocking the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary for offering women "an academic degree in their special, God-given role," which Hagey described as making dinner:

It's not that men and women aren't equals, the professors and students at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary explain to the Los Angeles Times. God has just given them different responsibilities in life: Men make decisions; women make dinner.

Starting this fall, the women enrolled in the internationally known seminary - one of the largest institutions serving the largest denomination of Protestants in America - will have a chance to get an academic degree in their special, God-given role.

First off, Hagey is misleading her readers. There's no degree in homemaking at SBTS per se. Secondly, her argument betrays a snide bias against a traditional, biblical Christian view of the complementary roles of men and women, both in the family and the church.

A look at the SBTS Web site shows that women may earn a "Bachelor of Arts in Humanities with a concentration in homemaking" in the undergraduate college at the seminary. Students study the Bible and Christian theology as well as receive "[i]ntensive instruction in the history of Western ideas" that "will challenge each woman to be familiar with the influential people of our past and to give a response from a biblical worldview."

In other words, you can expect students on that academic track will be just as, if not more so concerned with senior theses as with the complexities of making a souffle.

But Hagey's biased reporting and armchair theology don't end there, as she attempts to use Jimmy Carter and Jesus to chide conservative Baptists for allegedly telling women in seminary to put away their books, except for the ones with recipes in them:

When one student enrolled in the class admitted she sometimes resented having to change diapers while her husband had a career, she then cheered herself up by quoting Ephesians: "Wives, submit to your own husbands, to the Lord." And from Genesis: God created Eve to be a "suitable helper" for Adam.

Of course, the paper [the LA Times] notes that more moderate Southern Baptists - including Jimmy Carter, who has left the fold - don't agree with this line of thinking, and counter with some scripture of their own. When Jesus dined at the home of two sisters, he praised Mary, who spent the evening studying his teachings, above Martha, who did chores.

But this is unlikely to be emphasized at a seminary run by Paige Patterson, known for banning women from becoming pastors or teaching men theology during his tenure as convention president in the 1990s.

While Hagey is mostly regurgitating bias from coverage in the LA Times, it's notable that the Patterson slam is her own. Yet Hagey failed to consider that Patterson is hardly an innovator in this matter, following the instruction of New Testament epistles on the role of women in the church and family.

What's more, the SBTS Web site has a ready answer for the Mary vs. Martha example cited by moderate Baptists. What's more, you'll notice in the portion I selected in bold that SBTS, while it may not agree with Jimmy Carter on the role of women in the church and family, promises to teach seminary students the so-called egalitarian perspective advocated by liberal Protestant theologians:

The apostle Paul admonished women to "learn" (1 Tim. 2:11) because he expected women to be grounded in the Word of God. Our Lord Himself praised Mary for sitting at His feet to listen and learn (Lk. 10:42). Women in this generation need women teachers who are not only committed to the importance of studying God's Word but who are also formally trained to do biblical exposition. Woman-to-woman teaching is the biblical method of choice (Tit. 2:3-5).

We here at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary want to encourage women to prepare themselves for ministries in their homes, churches, and communities. As you consider how to equip yourself, choose from a variety of programs what is appropriate for your own diverse interests and unique giftedness within the boundaries of biblical priorities. In the programs at Southwestern women are introduced to the marketplace of ideas, including both complementarian and egalitarian positions, and they are thoroughly equipped to give an articulate and well reasoned evangelical response to the feministic ideology of the age.

[For an easy-to-read overview of the competing schools of thought on the role of women in the church and family, check out this PDF]

Hagey is only the latest example of media figures mischaracterizing conservative Christian teaching on the role of women in society. On May 17, I noticed that a successful female surgeon who had graduated from the late Jerry Falwell's Liberty University took issue with media misrepresentation of Falwell's views on women in the workplace. Wrote the surgeon, Dr. Amy Lipscomb (emphasis mine):

I was disappointed by the final comments of Douglas Brinkley regarding Jerry Falwell’s legacy. His statement that “his returning to family values was returning to women’s being in the kitchen…” is ridiculously far off the mark. I am a graduate of Liberty University, and one of a small number of female vascular surgeons in this country. As a matter of fact, Jerry’s only daughter Jeanne is also a surgeon, and he talked about that often. He was very proud of her accomplishments. That is hardly the mark of a man that believes women should be isolated to home. He did feel that both men and women should be dedicated to their families.

Liberty provided me an education that allowed me to breach a very “male” society in the medical profession. As a “first female nightly news anchor”, I think you can appreciate how difficult it is to overcome such barriers and stereotypes. Jerry Falwell was simply a man that wanted Christians to not fade into the woodwork, but to be an integral part of society, and to be bold about their beliefs. There is nothing worse than someone who cowers from his beliefs. I did not always agree with everything Falwell said, but I certainly respected him for his unwavering faith and staunch convictions of his beliefs. He was more honorable than many people will ever hope to be.

[special thanks to NewsBusters reader Jordan Seitler for bringing Hagey's piece to my attention]

—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters


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Good on ya, Ken.

Man you're quick!  Great job; thanks for elaborating on this one.

 

Newsflash men and women are

Newsflash men and women are different, we are anatomically different we think and act differently, we also usually take on different roles, and we have different God given roles.  This is no different than anywhere in life at a job where you have a role to fufill and someone else has their role to fufill.

Women are wired for campassion, at least most of them, and men are wired for action.  Even in the way we percieve love is different.  A woman wants her hair stroked and men well...want...you know.  My wife says she gets turned on by me washing the dishes and doing chores and I get turned on when teh wind blows.

We are different and must recognize these to survive.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Happiness

When the wind blows eh, for me it's a sunrise.

Seriously though I watched a story on the Today show about which gender is generally happier. Turns out guys are. The cited examples that most women are more unhappy because they have to take on a job and then take care of the home (or they have more responsibilities). This made me get into a little spat between me and my coworker (a female) about why I thought women we're unhappy. I thought it was because they take on too much responsibilty (in that they try to be a man in the workplace and a woman at home). She thought women were unhappy because men don't generally help around the house or take care of the kids. I think we came to the conclusion the happiest people are those who help each other out at home and work.

one of these days maybe

one of these days maybe we'll get a take on Islamic women in the middle east - do they even get to go to school everywhere yet...? Too many still get stoned to death first i guess...

not a big hurry on this, however

lets bash American Christian home-makers first, please

stick to priorities, etc

A service of the new NB respect police

TM, do you remember the

TM, do you remember the piece here about "God's Warriors" on CNN? This was my comment in that thread....

Amazing how Annanpour manages to make Christianity into the
"totalitarian regime" but apparently has nothing but admiration for the
restrictions of Islam on women.

Her tone is critical when speaking of the Christians:


On campus, students must follow a strict set of rules.... No secular
music or television. No "R"-rated movies. No alcohol. No drugs. No
dating.[ ] ...women have to wear skirts of a certain length, and guys
aren't allowed to, you know, go on the Internet, unsupervised. And I
think, you know, totalitarian regimes.

But oh, so respectful to the Muslim woman:


Rehan's jihad isn't violence, not even close, but it is public. It is a
deliberate display of faith,
not just covering her head, but swearing
off alcohol, praying five times a day, which isn't easy in a typically
busy American life...

(And you know she doesn't get to watch secular TV or movies either.)

and


Rehan insists that covering up is not a sign of a woman's inferiority,
as many Westerners believe, but a sign that Muslim women refuse to be
degraded, as she feels they can be in American culture.

So if a Christian woman swears off alcohol and drugs, and wears
knee-length skirts, it's because of totalitarian Christianity. For a
Muslim woman, it's a refusal to be "degraded."

So don't hold your breath waiting for a critical view of the way Muslim women are treated.

 

i know i know

i know i know motherbelt

HELLO THE REST OF AMERICA?!?!?!?!?!?

ANYONE OUT THERE?!?!?!?!?! 

A service of the new NB respect police

Good Lord

I wish these "reporters" would realize that just because men and women have different roles it doesn't mean that a man can't change a diaper or that a woman can't work outside the home.

Wives are above husbands in Christianity...

I just have to laugh at these feminists who whine about traditional patriatchal Christianity...

In a Christian marriage the husband is the chief servant of the household - it's an inverted pyramid of value

Women and children first

Just like Jesus is our chief servant - taking all of the punishment for our sins, providing and caring for us fully - washing our feet

The head of the household is not a position of priviledge, but rather responsibility - and women can take this role as well - it's not against Christianity...

Espescially if the husband becomes disabled in some way physically or mentally, or just be virtue of talent and ability - my wife is a hell of alot smarter than me - so she manages many things about our home - but she is a stay-at-home mother - actually a pretty progressive Brit - and she's sees absolutely nothing demeaning about staying at home and cooking - she left a very succesful international career to do it - and she absolutely loves it... 

Blinded by propaganda and hatred the feminists simply can't understand all this...

A service of the new NB respect police

Hagey is misleading???

I think the SBTS would all it LYING.

I'm being charitable,

I'm being charitable, perhaps. And love does cover over a multitude of sins. ;)

No criticism of your word

No criticism of your word choice was intended. 

as a homemaker and mom

I'm not Baptist, but I do hold that men and women are different, and that we are suited for quite different roles. There is no shame in "the hand that makes the bread should do Virgil too" - and there's also no shame in being the "hand that make the bread."

I really resent commentaries such as Keach Hagey's.  She and many other women (or is that womyn?) would laud me if I replied (when asked what do I do) that I raised guinea pigs. It would be facinating career choice.  However, since I chose to raise humans, I'm something to be ridiculed.

Amen!

I've been away from the boards for a while (not that I posted a lot when I was here), but deliberate misleadings such as these really boil my potatoes.

I am a homemaker as well, raising my daughter while The Man is in South Korea. We had a back-and-forth in May about me getting a job (he wants me to, I didn't). Since he is the HEAD of the household, I bowed to his good judgement. However, since he is also a Godly man, he listened to my reasoning and we worked out an arrangement which would work for both of us. That's what Ms. Hagey doesn't understand. The way that God has marriage set up is not a totalitarian rule. The husband is in charge, but he (in love) is obligated to lay down his life (and wants) for his wife.

p.s. I call myself the CO of Fort Housewife, but my husband is the Sergeant Major. And, as every military person knows, it's the Sergeant Major that has all the real power. :)

 

Nebraskans for War: Peace through Strength

woman:man::The Son:The Father

Interestingly, the theology of gender can really be understood best when we look at the relationship between Jesus and His Father. Did Jesus submit to the Father? Yes, voluntarily (Philllipians 2:6ff.). Was He God? Yes (John 1, John 8:58/Exodus 3:14, Colossians 1-2, Phillipians 2, etc.).

The lesson is, Jesus voluntarily took on a role, not because He was inferior to the Father, but because it brought great glory to the Godhead. Check out 1 Corinthians 11, too, where it says "The head of every woman is man, the head of man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God." There is a division of roles, but between men and women, there is no value distinction (Galatians 3), yet there is a role distinction. Just like the distinctions between Christ and the Father.

Feminism cannot-- will not-- understand these distinctions between worth/value and role. To them, leaders are inherently more valuable-- that's why we call CEOs 'VIPs', right? Well, that's the world's scale, not God's: "For all are one in Christ Jesus."

Don't we all want to live for the greatest purpose for which we have been made? I feel sad for feminists whose worldview is that they must be just like men in their roles, since such women are really a) living out the Genesis 3 curse of desiring a man's role, and b) living for something less than their ultimate calling. It's a lower calling for women to try to make their roles indistinct from men's, not a higher one.

If women get busy being men, what are we gonna do without the real women?

Amen...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

an excellent analysis

an excellent analysis

Not All Women Have Feminist Goals

Christianity was born out of Judaism. There are some Christian branches that didn't interpret the Scripture through Judaic eyes and unfortunately got off track. However, to take the feminist viewpoint is also wrong. There are many women I've met that are happy to stay home and raise children. They see the greatest gift to society as raising moral, responsible children. There are many mothers who sacrifice a career so they can home school their children. If you want to talk about someone sacrificing their lives for another's benefit, then I salute these mothers. I think they are wiser than some overpaid hack reporter.

Jesus praised Mary because

Jesus praised Mary because she wanted to know more about Him and was less concerned with worldly perceptions than Martha was.  In a sense Hagey is playing the role of Martha in his analysis of women in the church and his own preconceptions of Christianity in the modern world.  I would suggest he put himself in Mary's shoes and concentrate more on his own relationship with God and study His word in its complete context.  Reading the rest of chapter 5 in Ephesians may be a good place to start.

feminists blew it. They

feminists blew it. They fought for equal rights in the work place when they should have been fighting for society and men's respect for the work we women do at home. Instead of uplifting the mother and house wife they supported the idea that being a mom and CEO of the home were worthless and insignificant roles/jobs.

Way to go you damned hippies. You have now created a situation for young mothers, like myself, to have no other choice then to work and try and be a good mom. We have no choice because your "dual income" families have created the economy where a standard family cannot survive with out that dual income.

I will overcome this as well as the many other obstacles I have inheritated from your self serving generation.