ABCNews.com Misrepresents Coulter's Views on Jews

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Teasing yet another (manufactured) Ann Coulter controversy, ABCNews.com practically suggested that Coulter is an anti-Semite, and when you follow the bread crumbs, you'll find Media Matters the culprit behind the half-baked cake. "The columnist suggested that the U.S. would be a better place without Jews," teased a headline in the rotating news summary on ABC's Web site (see screencap at right).

Yet in context, it's quite logical to conclude Coulter means that, as a Christian, she would like everyone to embrace Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, hence securing them eternal life in Heaven. Grounded in historical Christian teaching, her desire for all to believe in Jesus (and hence be Christians) is not a racist or genocidal point-of-view, but a loving, religious one, however awkwardly stated it may have been in her recent interview.

The front page tease takes readers to a blog entry at Political Punch by ABC reporter Jake Tapper. The Tapper item in turn links to an article and transcript at Editor & Publisher, furnished by, surprise surprise, Media Matters.

To his credit, at no point in his blog did Tapper himself characterize Coulter as a closet anti-Semite or anything of that nature, although he does take a swipe at Coulter as a hypocrite:

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Ann Coulter is making the rounds on cable these days saying that Jews need "to be perfected" like Christians -- like, I suppose, her?

One wonders about even blogging about her, given the things she says, but after-the-fact, after she's been broadcast, it's probably important to know what people like her are saying to mass broadcast audiences.

I cannot tell you how many conservatives I've spoken to who want her to go away, who think she twists what conservativism is and is a horrible representative for their cause.

Off to South Carolina right now to spend some time with the Giuliani campaign in that key early primary state.

More later!

Actually Jake, it seems Ann actually knows a bit more about the Bible than you. But don't take my word for it, here's what Jesus taught (and he was teaching fellow Jews) [Matt. 5:43-48 ESV]:

You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Linguists and theologians would also say that "perfect" doesn't necessarily mean without any sin or wrongdoing, but connotes spiritual maturity and completeness.

Regardless of the debatable finer points of theology, the bottom line is it's pretty clear the media foodchain on this one -- Media Matters>Editor & Publisher>ABC News/Jake Tapper -- and that for whatever reason Coulter was not given any benefit of the doubt or her claims examined in light of any references in Christian Scripture.

—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters


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Coulter calculates these

Coulter calculates these things she says, knowing full well exactly how the media will pick them up and spin them ...

Time and time again, Coulter proves the media for what they are.

Ann-Queda:)

Ann is absolutely brilliant - really knows how to bait the MSM - and consequently bring vital matters into "the PC zone" that would otherwise never see the light of day - and MM is an ever-willing dupe 

She uses the MSM for good like Bin Laden uses them for evil

hee hee hee

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No doubt about it

She was playing this like a bass drum. She was pushing buttons, pulling chains, and all the stops.

I read the article on foxnews.com and could just hear her tone as  Deutch was just soaking it in.

Coulter is way to smart for these guys. It's not even fair.

Entertaining, but not fair.

 

Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns

I have read the transcript

I have read the transcript and it is obvous that Deutch was shopping for the answer he wanted.

Questions like:  "What would your perfect world be like" being asnwered with "Good mannered Republicans in New York City" was not sensational enough for him so he shopped it until she mentioned religion.

As soon as Religion came up, he became interested in the answer.

In my opinion, and lord

In my opinion, and lord knows I could be wrong thats for sure...

Media Matters cannot keep getting away with all of their planned attacks and furthering their agenda completely...seems to me this is all going to have to backfire eventually, bringing down Hillary with the house she helped create and build...along with Soros and all their ilk.

I know this will take time, but the cheating filth (better known as the devil) always loses in the long run.

Btw...This is just another pebble for Ann to use later...one way or the other. 

A pebble

Like Jimmah the Jew-Hater Carter, Robert KKK (K is not for Kosher) Byrd, or Hillary "f***ing Jew B*****D" Clinton... who clearly demonstrate that if your looking for Anti-Semites just go where the Dems hang out...

mattm... TRIPLE BINGO!!!

mattm...

TRIPLE BINGO!!!

Matt, you forgot to mention

Matt, you forgot to mention Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson

Want To Be A Hypocrite? It's As Easy As ABC

These muslim-loving liberal hypocrites in the media are now posing as defenders of the Jews?  Only if it suits their evil purpose, which is to bash yet another conservative.  Only a complete idiot could fail to see that.

Excellent observation!!!

The left is waaaaay more anti-semitic than the hard right. The left has ALWAYS concluded there is a moral equivalence between Israel and the Arabs terrorists. I have never seen a leftist defend a Jewish position. And now all of a sudden they are interested in protecting the Jews. I call bullsh!t. This is just a tactic to slam their most reviled conservative. The left hates Israel and the Jews.

The Jews must be so

The Jews must be so enthusiastic about the Western MSM's sychophantic love affair with Hezbollah and the PLO... 

Why New York Jews, actually any Jews, keep voting Democrat I'll never know...

Ever seen "The Believer?"

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I cannot tell you how many

I cannot tell you how many conservatives I've spoken to...

because... you haven't?  My guess is the only "conservatives" who want Anne to "go away" would be those who are still angling to get invited to cocktail parties in Georgetown.

he overheard ONE in an

he overheard ONE in an elevator once - who was actually a lefty moderate...and so:

"SOME CONSERVATIVES SAY!" 

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conservatives & Ann Coulter

As a conservative I only wish we had more people like her  who stand on principal and intellectually kick the crap out of anyone dumb enough to debate her.

Oh puh-leeeze!!!!!

As a religious, and observant Jew I AM NOT OFFENDED BY THIS IN THE LEAST. After all, if I don’t convert, according to Christian doctrine I’d be going to hell right???? That’s someone’s belief. Great. I don't care what someone believes, I care how they act. Behaviour is the most important aspect in Judaism. Since Ann is not calling for the annhilation of the Jews, or forced conversions, or an Inquisition, this is really a NON-STORY.

The NJDC ought to read the Torah and Talmud and become familiar with Jewish thought instead of condemning Ann for no reason at all. This was not an anti-semitic remark. Unless of course you think every Christian is anti-semitic. (Hint: they are not)

Jews born saved already...

And when you get down to it - why should Jews "convert?" They are the original chosen ones. It's gentiles like me who want in on the deal - Christians are just wanna-be Jews. We are the ones who should have our fingers crossed about the after-life, not Jews...

Jesus is Jewish. I am part of the body of Christ. Therefore I am Jewish - or at least I hope so...

It's all the tree of Abraham - which the Muslims belong to as well, incidentally...

My view is not real big in American fundie camps - probably because I'm too fundamentalist for their taste - Abrahamic fundamentalist...

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I don't think her comment

I don't think her comment was anti-semitic. It just seems rather arrogant. "All you Jews, you're just imperfect Christians."

}}---> Really, bal?

Is that a quote from Ann?  I like Ann, but I find such a quote extremely arrogant.

She really referred to them as "All you Jews"?

That's disgusting.

Can I get a link to that statement?

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Paraphrasing.

Paraphrasing.

Paraphrasing.

Paraphrasing.

More like "interpreting" or "spinning" or "distorting" or "twisting" or "demagoguing" or "mischaracterizing."

There, I fixed it.

Forget 911, I dial 9MM.

}}---> Para-what

For effect of course.

I may be wrong, but I'm thinking the use of quotes denotes something much more specific than "paraphrasing".

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

For effect, yes. Accuracy

For effect, yes. Accuracy be damned.

}}---> Dang right, bal

Accuracy in attribution is such a minor thing when you're a Democrat.

The wealth of information available for point and rebuttal is exponentially so much larger.  There's the truth, and an endless number of variations along the continuum leading to outright lies.

Can't argue with that.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

the left just loves to

the left just loves to paraphrase conservatives - and they will be "paraphrasing" ann for a couple of days at least on this, i'm sure

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Ann on her worst day

Once again Ann has proven that on her worst day she is light years ahead of her detractors and their efforts would be humorous if the issues weren't so serious.

You can always boil these

You can always boil these "controversies" down to basic elements:

Ann Coulter + "Christians" + "Jews" + Media Matters + MSM = "Controversy". No other details are necessary. 

Chris... ...=Mission

Chris...

...=Mission Accomplished!

Mission Accomplished

My favorite aircraft carrier banner!

Hi mg... Glad to see we

Hi mg...

Glad to see we agree about something!

ROFLMAO 

Ringtone on my cell...

I have the George W Bush ringtone: "Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed"

one ring-a-dingy...

I have the George W Bush ringtone:

Interesting enough, so do I:  "The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done."

Do you really want to go down this road yet again?  Not real progressive... 

Major combat...

Major combat operations have ended...hello?  Do you want to go down this road again?

mg... Cute by

mg...

Cute by half...

Troll-on.

You aren't worth the energy to me today.

hey, when you've lost,

hey, when you've lost, you've lost.  Good luck. Maybe some of Bill O's MFin' Iced Tea will bring some energy back.

Huessein is gone, Iraq is

Huessein is gone, Iraq is a Democracy, we have already won.

Mission accomplished:)

So where is Ann in the sexy flight suit, then:(? 

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Okay, let us play that

Okay, let us play that game.

When was the last time a US Army Division performed an Offensive operation at the Multi-Brigade level in Iraq?

When was the last thunder run into Bagdhad by greater than a company of tanks?

 When was the last time the US Navy had an entire Squadron performing Ground attack in support of offensive operations?

I guess major combat operations HAVE ended.

We are out of Major combat oeprations are now in what we used to call "Stability and Support Opertions (SASO)

I used to prefer them when they were called "Low intensity Conflict" (LIC) 

chirp, chirp...

chirp, chirp...

Yep. waitin for that

Yep. waitin for that answer.

But I fear we have scared him off the site....

You're mixing apples and oranges

Major Combat Operations is "Not" an official term, where as SASO is.  You can have major combat during SASO....but apparently there's no more major combat -

As you stated - GW also thought we were out of major combat operations - then 3000 more people died and 25,000 more major casulaties.  Careful.

You are  correct, Major

You are  correct, Major Combat Operations is not an official term, but that is immaterial to the point.

When WAS the last time we had such a large offensive operation undertaken?

By the way, we are now discontinuing SASO and SOSO.  Regarding your point regarding casulaties, this rate you cited gives us a casualty rate of approximately 750 combat casulaties per year which is a rate not seen since the Moro or Indian wars.

This could hardly be considered high, when we lost nearly as many soldiers in six months in the North African/Sicilian Campaign as we have during OIF.

Let's not forget 40,000+

Let's not forget 40,000+ casualties during the single month of the Battle of the Bulge.

Forget 911, I dial 9MM.

and several thousand dead

and several thousand dead in training excercises

...SO WHO WAS THE "INCOMPETENT PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY OF WAR (DEFENSE)" AGAIN BACK THEN? 

Wasn't Bush and Rumsfeld now was it...? It was all over the news back then, right?

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Mission Accomplished

And it was amazing how quickly they accomplished the mission of overthrowing Saddam.

God Bless Our Troops!

It was a cakewalk...

we were greeted as liberators!

They were greeted as

They were greeted as liberators.

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thanks for that link....

great quote in there: 'It lasted very briefly, it was exhausted quickly by the looting' - I'm sure that's what Cheney meant!!! 

It's still true.

It's still true.

what a stretch

Even as Republicans come out and admit the Iraq strategy was amazingly flawed, as least the posters at Newsbusters don't see any problems.

Huh?

Where did I say I don't see any problems?

subtly flawed

I think our media matters wanna-be was referring to your non-existant quote "amazingly flawed".

Thanks to newsbusters

I've finally found someone who defends and supports the quote 'we will be greeted as liberators'

into the light

Proving you need to get out more...

taking advice on getting out more

by the water-carriers who live on this site is hilarious.

As if I expect you to start taking good advice now

That comes as no surprise from someone who thinks taking out a dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people in most nefarious ways was a bad thing.  That's just plain sad.

Hatred of conservatives is one thing, but why don't you want the Iraqi people to live under a representative form of government like you do?

I've become bored with you...

oh how desperate the left

oh how desperate the left is to believe America is losing in Iraq:(

why why why

where does this bizarre desire come from?

I guess the anti-American crowd just wants their victory, too - just like we do...

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I was.... Still was in

I was....

Still was in 2004 when we went into most neighborhoods.

Hav enot been back since then, but from what I have heard from compadres, our MEDCAPS still have lines...

Yeah, John Burns mgertardn

"I've finally found someone who defends and supports the quote 'we will be greeted as liberators'"

Yeah John Burns of the NYT. Let me ask you. So what was your timeframe of withdrawl for the troops from being "greeted like liberators"? Is it 5 min, 5 days, 5 weeks, 5 months? No one said the "greeting" was going to last forever.

And why shouldn't some people stand up and cheer, no matter how short lived?

I'll see your tit and raise you a tat

This one was my favorite: "During the celebrations, a Shiite leader told the crowd that "the tyrant of the world is finished, thanks to the coalition. Thank God for Iraq, the victorious.""

I listened to GW in 2000

I thought he didn't want to be a nation-builder

Oh, that's right, 9/11 changed everything when Saddam ordered Iraqi's to fly into the World Trade Center

Trying to make an adult

Trying to make an adult point by using a childish analogy is....well, childish! 

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The sad thing

is that so many people in this country belive that Saddam had something to do with 9/11...Fox news does have it's effect on people.

There are a few of them,

There are a few of them, but the majority of people realize the war in Iraq has a lot to do with fighting terrorism. 

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yeah..

the majority of people on this site...

Most of them being logical,

Most of them being logical, clear thinking individuals....

Saddam was pro-terror and

Saddam was pro-terror and helped facilitate 9/11

it is very sad to think that

we should think better of Saddam Hussein - he is blamed for way too much - and yet look at all the obvious good he had done for so many people...

he really was a great man, we mourn his loss, thank-you lefties for defending him

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obladee, oblada

Fox news does have it's effect on people.

Particularly on those who hardly ever watch the network.  Just curious - Not that it seems to be helping but what do you take for your BDS?

The sadder thing...

42% of Democrats believe Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand.

Game, set, match.  Can you feel that?  Huh?  HUH?

Forget 911, I dial 9MM.

shu-hack! too bad the

shu-hack!

too bad the Dems don't watch more Fox 

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 MG..AQ was in South

 MG..AQ was in South Florida...they may still be.. yet you find it hard to believe they were in Iraq dealing with Saddams people. 

I see the brainwashing applied by Media Matters etal,  has taken hold. CNN is such a reliable news source...for our enemies..one of which I consider you..take heed..

I'll play

Who? The Shiite leader expressing his thanks for liberating Iraq?

As per your second hallucination - Didn't Saddam order that while hunkered down in an aspirin factory in Sudan? 

He did more than that...

He actually drove some of the terrorists to the airport, and helped them with their bags in the loading zone.  I know, I watch Fox news.

I saw that too. The

I saw that too.

The report was about how little terrorists tip the guys in valet parking. Bastards! 

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i can tell you watch Fox

i can tell you watch Fox News...

But that story isn't coming up on the Fox web site archives - did they sneak it in for us rednecks and then quickly delete it real secret like to evade notice from champions of good like you at this crucial point in blogging history...?

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"i can tell you watch Fox

"i can tell you watch Fox News...


But that story isn't coming up on the Fox web site archives - did they
sneak it in for us rednecks and then quickly delete it real secret like
to evade notice from champions of good like you at this crucial point
in blogging history...?"

That's because you have to wear a tinfoil hat to pick up the Fox channel these bozos refer to. These hats also serve as receivers for all the alternate versions of reality and flat out made-up information that gets beamed to them on a regular basis by the mothership.

acumen... Priceless.

acumen...

Priceless.

Oh, it was about toppling a dictator

Among the many other reasons he gave - there's dictators all over the world that need to be taken out - but unfortunately I guess that's not in his playbook.

dictator... It should

dictator...

It should be! 

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A good surgeon can only do

A good surgeon can only do so much with the resources available. 

In that light Iraq makes sense. 

Just imagine what this

Just imagine what this world would be like if people like Kim Jong, Ahmadena-jerk, Castro, Assad, Chavez etc, suddenly just magically disapeared. 

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Sadly, the left could not

Sadly, the left could not STAND it.

 

they would feel

they would feel lonely

but the advance of freedom and capitalism would force them to prosper and bring a smile to their face

and they can always start another dictatorship somewhere - they own property

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"Among the many other

Among the many other reasons he gave - there's dictators all over the
world that need to be taken out - but unfortunately I guess that's not
in his playbook.

After that post, it's clear common sense and the ability to think aren't in your playbook.

Ve mus silentz ze schweinhundt Coulter...mach schnell

This is too rich. The hitleresque speak police at media matters now want to silence Ann for supposedly dissing jews.

I didn't realize there was a pulitzer category for irony Jake. 

Onward through the dem attack-machine fog...

Fog is right acumen.

Fog is right acumen.

Let's see, O'Reilly hates

Let's see, O'Reilly hates blacks, Limbaugh hates the troops, and now, Coulter hates Jews. Isn't that the sign for the coming of the anti-Christ, or, even worse, Hillary in the White House with a Democrat-controlled congress?

I don't find anything offensive about O'Reillys words

He was shocked that a black-owned restaurant was actually as orderly as a white-owned restaurant in the suburbs.  How can that be offensive, the black-owned restaurant, wasn't as uncultured as he thought.

Brought to you by Bill O Reilly's MFin' Iced Tea.

"He was shocked that a

"He was shocked that a black-owned restaurant was actually as orderly as
a white-owned restaurant in the suburbs. How can that be offensive,
the black-owned restaurant, wasn't as uncultured as he thought.
Brought to you by Bill O Reilly's MFin' Iced Tea."

Proving once again that you haven't actually listened to the program in question, because you prefer Media Matters version, honesty being overrated and all. Or maybe you're just a simple-minded fool who believes when people say "it sounded like a train ripping through the neighborhood", you believe they meant an actual train was ripping through the neighborhood, when everyone else with an IQ above that of an ice cube understands it was a tornado.

 

ckc... Perfect post.

ckc...

Perfect post.

That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament

Well, there goes the Good News for Modern Man.

I'm sure when Ann....

suggested that Clinton's assassination wouldn't be a bad thing, she was embracing Jesus.

au contraire

Jesus is sooooooooo New Testament.

Jesus fulfilled the law,

Jesus fulfilled the law, didn't change it - but nice try - he is so OT/NT and beyond

are your eyes glazed over...? snap out of it bro!

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Ann may very well have been

Ann may very well have been thinking about Jesus when she said that. I mean there are all kinds of references in the Bible about fighting evil. And Billy Boy was/is evil! 

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Okay, I was never a big fan

Okay, I was never a big fan of Ann Coulter.  In fact, she has made me upset a few times in the past.  HOWEVER, after watching this video with her I sincerely adore the woman.  She said EVERYTHING that I have thought myself.  That drip that was interviewing her was trying to find ANYTHING she said as offensive.  That guys is a major d0u$he.  Sorry, there honestly is no proper word to describe him.

I saw the entire segment

I saw the entire segment with Donny Deutsch and Coulter. I know Donny and like most in the ad business don't like him. But he is a practicing conservative Jew like me and he, like me, was shocked by what Coulter said. He did try to give her every opportunity to clarify or retract what she said about Jews and all she did was reinforce it.

Either Coulter is anti-Jewish or she shoots her mouth off faster than she can understand what she says. ABC may have twisted what she said to some degree but not entirely. She made a blatant anti-Jewish comment and more than once.

Grow up. She said nothing

Grow up. She said nothing of the sort, go back to hanging with your ad buddies.

 The beauty of Christianity is that we want everyone to be one. She wants the Jews, like the pagans and the Moslems to be Christians liek she herself tries to be. What a generous faith tradition.

It's called anti-Semitism

It's called anti-Semitism and I won't take it from anyone even if they are a Republican.

}}---> Let's stay real, Gat

The same leap of hate (pun intended) can be made with the following identical logic:

  1. Israel wishes to coexist peacefully with Arabs

  2. Arabs are commanded by the Koran to kill Jews.

  3. Israel, therefore must hates Arabs because they want Arabs to deviate from the Koran.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Fw: Get real

So you're telling a Jew whether he should be offended by a statement made about Jews all converting to Christianity. Shouldn't he have more auhority on the subject?

As if anyone needs any more

As if anyone needs any more evidence that the lefties are making war on Christianity, this is it.

WOW...where to begin. What

WOW...where to begin. What a nutcase.

Naw, he shopped for the

Naw, he shopped for the answer.

If you ask me, or anyone else for that matter, it is a natural desire for them to wish others had the same viewpoints as they do.

I wish everyone was a hockey fan.  Does not mean I am anti-football....

Yeah.

More deep thought from our local troll.

BTW, why is your humor funny and Ann's humor not??? Must be your nuanced sophistication, eh????

So Ann was trying to be

So Ann was trying to be funny when she said that Jews were just imperfect Christians? That was a punchline of some kind?

What's so great about being a Christian?

What's so great about being

What's so great about being Balboa?

Well, the benefits are

Well, the benefits are treMENdous. Dental especially. Free bagels on Wednesdays.

But answer another question. Ann says "That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament." OK, but I thought the New Testament overruled the Old Testament?

How would you know? You're

How would you know? You're not a Christian, you're a Balboa.

Final answer? Don't wanna

Final answer? Don't wanna use a lifeline?

Bal,I am the wrong

Bal,

I am the wrong person to turn to for things theological. I just don't have anything against Christians. Or anyone else, for that matter. Have you ever heard me commenting about religious matters, except as media bias applies?

Don't really remember. It

Don't really remember. It was a question for anyone to answer, not just you.

 

Oh. The fact that you

Oh. The fact that you directed it to me led me to think you were asking me. You must have some interesting conversations with whole rooms full of people...

My faux pas.

My faux pas.

the greatest thing about

the greatest thing about being a Christian is being completely humilated

and then one accepts that they are a totally broken sinner, destined to die

and then Jesus tosses you an eternal life preserver 

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What Ann was trying to

What Ann was trying to communicate was that Christians must believe the whole Bible - taken as a whole - including the OT

The NT essentially just creates a possiblity for all of your sin punishments to be transferred to Jesus instead...

As for the differences (or some say "contradictions") according to Jesus the NT is a "fulfillment" of the OT - He "fulfills" the OT requirements of God's people and therefore all of the ceremony from the OT becomes pointless...

Further complicating things is that most Christians tend to be "gentiles" - not born Jewish - and have different history from the Jews - and so God deals with us a bit differently...

It always amuses me listen to Christians who bash Jews - not as many as there used to be - but it's funny because Jesus is Jewish, and technically Christians are trying to essentially be "honorary Jews..."

As if Bal is listening anyway...

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Thanks for the shot. So

Thanks for the shot.

So 'we believe the Old Testament" doesn't mean what is said in the Old Testament applies.

Here Balboa, I'll type it slowly so you understand

Coulter is stating that part of being a Christian is believing that Christianity is true, which has the fortunate side effect of also implying that Jews are saved for believing that Judaism is true. What a bigot!

I'll type slowly too: I

I'll type slowly too: I never said she was a bigot.

}}---> That's true bal

All you did was create what you presented as a bigoted direct quote from her.

Funny how you Libs make false accusations only to deny them with a flimsy semantic fencing foille.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Oh I did no such thing. You

Oh I did no such thing. You misinterpreted to fit your own designs.

}}---> Oh, yes you did bal

Here's a link to bal's post if anyone is interested in the veracity of my claim.

Notice he didn't attempt to weasel until I called him on it.

Went right over your head, huh?

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Weaseling out of things is

Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals........

except the weasel - Homer

 

this was supposed to go here, makes no sense at the bottom  DOH!

I have nothing to weasel

I have nothing to weasel out of. 

Uh, Bal, Christians are imperfect. The problem is, unlike you...

...we realize it right up front.

Otherwise, we wouldn't be Christians.


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Yes, you're so much more

Yes, you're so much more enlightened because obviously I think I'm perfect...

Good grief. I've never known Christians to be so presumptuous.

and pompous:) since it's

and pompous:)

since it's not really happening here, if you want to PM me I'll be happy to give you straight Gospel answers, bal

thanks for your patience

and yes, I know my fellow fundies, this post was obviously very pompous and presumptious of me 

A service of the new NB respect police

bal, be wary. And i'm not kidding here. No sh*t.

I have never claimed to be more "enlightened" than the next guy. Not even close.

What I was trying to suggest to you is that, true Christians aren't what you think they are.

Based on your comments here at NB, I doubt very seriously that you have ever met one.

When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

RE: What's so great about being a Christian?

What's so great about being a Christian?

This should slap all of us Christians in the face and wake us up. We have failed to project the Message.

Bal I'm sorry that something has caused you to (what ever adjective describes your distaste) about Christians, but it is a great life.

Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns

I'm saying that in the

I'm saying that in the context of what Ann said. What makes being a Christian any better than being a Jew or Hindu or Buddhist, etc.? Ann can't see the benefits of another religion?

No doubt Christianity is an

No doubt Christianity is an exlusive religion. There is not any room for others, it all flows through Christ. That is what it teaches.

This might be where the discussion veers towared faith, apolgetics, hermanutics and all of that stuff.

If that is the case, a different thread should probably be started.

Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns

All truth claims

exclude what is not true

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

How much ya wanna bet she's the topic of his show tonight?

Deutsch wasn't going to let her leave until she said something controversial so he could get appreciable enough ratings to show up on some Nielsen list somewhere. Coulter was nice enough to throw him a bone. He probably looked desperate, though. I'm sure Donny thanked her profusely afterwards. He saved his show for another week and Ann sold another 1000 books. Quite symbiotic, don'tcha think?

Who the hell is Donny Deutsh anyway? And, how did he get a show?

Who is Donny Deutsch?

Advertising man. Friend and advisor to Bill and Hillary. 'nuff said?

He's a huge ad man, but

He's a huge ad man, but talk to almost anyone in "The Biz" (and by The Biz I do mean The Industry) and they'll tell you he's a douchebag.

"he's a douchebag" That's

"he's a douchebag"

That's trademark infringement. I gave him that nickname: Donny Douchebag.

 

Oops. Who do I make the

Oops. Who do I make the check out to?

When it first came on,

He's an obnoxious little twit. When it first came on, I noticed "The Big Idea" seemed to refer to the breasts of his guests. I have noticed that in the last few months his guests have been mostly successful entrepreneurs - only some with big breasts. I guess his version of a Playboy Mansion party wasn't working out... 

Someone needs to pass this on!

Even though we're both Palm Beach County residents, Ann doesn't talk to me or invite me out for cocktails.  Someone, who knows her, should pass on my old signature line:

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.  

Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.

Good line

and give you a bad headache, to boot... :)

My view on the latest Coulter controversy

I've heard that some Messianic Jews (i.e. Jews who have become Christians but practice it with a distinctly Jewish flavor) refer to themselves as "perfected" or "completed" Jews.  The Christian view is that all of the Old Testament led up to the coming of Jesus, who said he came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it.  And one of the first controversies in the church was a debate over whether Gentiles could become Christians.

Christians teach that all have sinned, and all need the salvation offered by Jesus Christ.  You don't have to like that view, and you don't have to accept it.  But please understand that there is nothing antisemitic about it.  It's not "Let's get rid of Jews," but "Let's bring everyone to new life in Christ."

Ann could have said what she said in a better way, but then when she's constantly being interrupted and harangued, it's hard to say everything perfectly.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Well said.

Well said.

That is the story in a

That is the story in a nutshell.

Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns

Deutch was offended. She

Deutch was offended. She tried to explain that that is not the intent, yet he's still offended. At that point she should have said that "here's nothing more I can say to help you understand what I'm trying to say, so if you're still offended, so be it, I tried."

If you believe what you believe and it's not what someone else believes, then by default you believe that they are wrong. If you don't, then do you truly believe what you say you believe? Thinking someone else is wrong is not something to offend, it's just simply a fact of believing something opposite of what someone else believes. It's not rocket science, but because we're in a day of "oh please don't offend anyone," people are quite touchy, as Deutch is.

As a Christian, if a Jewish person said Jews are perfected Christians, would I be offended? HECK NO, I'd disagree but wouldn't be freakin offended. Ridiculous.

Ya wanna know my opinion???

I thought so.  Here goes:

As soon as I finish reading NewsBusters I'm clicking over to WND and ordering two of her new books...one for me, and one for my college-student son.  Thanks, Don Douche! 

Sunrise at sea; a breeze across the deck, salty spray tickles the face, the aroma of fresh coffee, stack gas, and haze-gray paint is in the air.  Another Navy day aboard ship as a Navy Chief...the perfect life! 

I was shocked ...this was

I was shocked ...this was the TOP story on my local 10 o'clock news. Then I remembered I live in the SF bay area.

Donny's not too bright in history.

The term "perfected Jew" is taken from the Dutch holocaust survivor Corrie ten Boom. I'm sure Donny will remember her family ended up in Vught concentration camp after hiding refugees through the Dutch undergound. And while it is often referred to as a "perfected Jew", technically the term she preferred was "completed Jew".

Look at page 186 of Tramp for the Lord.

One said to me, "I would love to ask Jesus to come into my heart, but I cannot. I am a Jew."

I said, "You cannot ask Jesus into your heart because you are a Jew? Then you do not understand that with the Jew (Jesus) in your heart -- you are a double Jew."

He said, "Oh, then it is possible?"

"On the divine side He was God's Son. On the human side He was a Jew. When you accept Him you do not become a Gentile. You become even more Jewish than before. You will be a completed Jew."

It is also mentioned on page 102. But don't let me stop Donny Douche and his media disciples from from getting their hyper-critical offense organ inflamed.

Oh Ann,First you attack

Oh Ann,

First you attack women and their right to vote.

Now the Jews?

Ugh, can someone say jumped the shark?

Boy I really hope she can keep vomitting these books out at her record pace. 

NEWSBUSTERS IS LYING TO YOU

How about Newsbusters actually posts the entire interview like Media Matters did along with the footage so that its readers can decide for themselves, instead of trying to spin the story to tell its readers what they want to hear?

So Ann Coulter says something inflammatory and stupid to gain book sales among people like her and you guys spin the truth to make her look like a martyr or an apostle? For what? Saying that Jews should all convert to Christianity? How pathetic is that?

And Ken - you can't say that a person is right by putting in a loosely related quote from the Bible and saying that she must have said it in a loving way because she's a Christian. Does that mean that a person saying that all Christians should convert to Islam or Judaism or become and then the world will become better is not saying it in a loving way because they do not have the passages from the Bible to support them? Look. Ann Coulter has been saying inflammatory stuff to sell her books for years. Whether it's about beatings Liberals with baseball bats or calling politicians she doesn't like faggots, she had always said garbage to sell her stuff, and suddenly she's a bloody apostle? You are the only people who still try to take her seriously. No one else does.

Tell you what? Forget it. You guys can live in your own little world. You can validate each other's opinions no matter how ridiculous they seem. And you can live in a comfortable criticism-free zone where everything you say is right and no opposing opinion. I will continue to watch the so-called MSM, which for all its problems, is nowhere near as biased and deceptive and one-sided as you guys are.

Know this. The Soviet Union spent tons of tax money and effort to write misleading, one-sided propaganda to keep its citizens from finding out the truth. You guys have access to the truth 24-7, then reject it and write your own propaganda. Congratulations.

 And Ken, keep on believing that Guliani is conservative. I'm off to read some real news. Bye.

Great post!  Too

Great post! 

Too true. 

 

Leon - Are you too chicken to face facts also

If not, then see my comments below and respond as too how she is different from the people mentioned.

moderek - you are lying to yourself

Media matters is purposely trying to cause a religious dispute between Christians and Jews and it's despicable. It's part of the Christian faith to think that only Christians go to heaven and when they care about people they want them to go there also. The big difference from them and the Islamo fascist terrorists and liberals is that they want them to convert VOLUNTARILY of their own free will, not through force or law. There is nothing wrong with that. Islamo fascists want to force their ideas on people with bombs and liberals want to force theirs by putting duck tape on the mouth of anyone not speaking their dogma. There is something seriously wrong with those methods.

Your rage at Ann is Manufactured by Media Matters. I don't hear you complaining about Al Fraken hitting a conservative citizen with a chair or saying all of the nasty stuff he says. What about Bill Maher? There are many people on your side who make hateful statements against Christians and conservatives without any concern for their soul. It's pure hateful spite and fear.

All that being said, I'm not a fan of Ann Coulter. I think she is too divisive, but she is nothing compared to the thousands on the Left. You are the one who likes to live in a criticism free zone evidenced by your running away after you knew your statement could be easily challenged.

running away

Who's running away?

 http://mediamatters.org/items/200710100008?f=h_top

Look, if you really believe that media matters is trying to stir up anger, try taking a look at their site. The article on Ann Coulter is very calm and collected without any opinion of her - negative or otherwise. There is certainly no emotive talk. Ann's statements and her defense of them are outlined with an entire transript of the show for context as well as a video recording of the show to ensure authenticity (although I couldn't see it as my internet account is about to run out). It's an entire dimension of quality above Newsbusters, which basically writes a spin/opinion piece without even a reference to the page that they are criticising or a transcript of the events.

I could not find any record of Al Franken hitting people with chairs. If he did, it would be despicable. Reference please. Also, I'm not actually a big follower of any opinion journalists (didn't even watch Fahrenheit 911) - I just hate when news pundits refuse to use logic and try to offend people to make book sales.

 I am not an anti-Christian person - I am in fact a Catholic - and I do not promote any Islamic terrorism simply because I oppose Ann's opinion. I also don't want to silence people for disagreeing with me - but if the Jews are seriously offended, perhps they should decide on the legal response. There is a difference between offending for publicity's sake and presenting genuine opinion. I want to break down this digital wall that you guys have erected for yourselves and try to expose you to other people's opinions. If we are only exposed to opinions that agree with us, we not only run the risk of mental stagnation, we also risk detaching ourselves from reality.

And here my comment returns to Newsbusters themselves - that they commit the very crimes that they are accusing others of and frequently deceive their users with lack of references, spin, selective reporting and other forms of deception. No one is standing up to them because they want to be deceived in order to feel "right". That is not how a news website should be run.

Moderek - you are the one with walls and blinders

It's unbelievable that you can sit there in all seriousness and say that MM is not trying to stir up anger. I've been to their web site and I get all of their e-mails and petitions. They are all about stirring up anger and shutting up conservatives. That is their whole purpose.

It's interesting that you say you don't want to shut people up who disagree with you and in the very next sentence say that Jews should sue Ann Coulter. Sue her for believing her religion is superior? That is nuts!

If you need referenced examples of Al Franken, Rosie O'Donnel, Bill Maher and all the other liberals who trash Christians and conservatives then you are too far gone with your head in the sand and any discussion is pointless. The Al Franken thing was a commercial he did for his Lying book. I guess Media Matters didn't send out an e-mail so you wouldn't know about it.

And it's interesting that you represent yourself as a Catholic because I was raised as one and have many friends who are still Catholic and Catholics don't only believe that you have to be Christian to go to heaven, they believe you must be Catholic. They think everyone should convert to Catholicism. You can't even get married in a Catholic church without huge pressure for the future spouse to convert and if they don't they must agree to raise the children Catholic. There is nothing wrong with that, it's their religion and no one is forced to be in it. Ann Coulter and 99.99 percent of all Christians don't think anyone should be forced into their religion or that other religions should be silenced or their followers condemned here on earth.

Contrast that with Islamo fascist and liberals again. Islamo Fascist want you to convert or they say they will kill you and liberals want you to speak in line with their dogma or be sued, silenced and shunned and sometimes jailed.

Newsbusters makes no claim of being unbiased but in the rare cases
where the media actually present the conservative view they often point
them out. You won't see that type of thing at MM.

I was listening to Michael

I was listening to Michael Savage on the radio ast night and he was rightfully outraged over Ann Coulter’s comments on Donny Deutsch’s cable show.  

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Coulter’s comments were classic and blatant anti-Semitism. I watched the entire segment and the question Donny asked was what Ann’s perfect world would be. He wanted it to be non-political. She raised this Jewish issue – not Donny. 

I know Donny from business and like most who know him, we don’t like him much. He sees himself like a Donald Trump – both took over Daddy’s business – both are shameless self-promoters – and both feel they can do anything. Donald is richer but Donny is not poor. I believe he is the largest single shareholder in the global advertising company IPG who bought his ad agency.

But Donny like me is a practicing conservative Jew and when someone – even a Republican – says the world would be a better place if all Jews converted to Christianity then I have a major problem with that person.

Democrats get away with Anti-Semitic remarks, so the very last thing Republicans need is the appearance to MSM of being biased. Coulter has now done that. 

Well, that explains your overblown "offended" stance, GAT

I don't usually listen to Savage, but I happened to tune him in on the car radio last night, and heard a few minutes of his spittle-spewing, name-calling rage.   (Much of it staged, I suspect)

You use Savage as a source of unbiased outrage, while condemning Coulter for her "bias?"   The irony is rich. 

But, GAT, it seems to me that most believe their religion is "perfect", while other religions are not.   Yes?

At the same time, those who don't believe their own religion is "perfect", or who are offended by statements like Coulter's, are admitting that they, personally, feel "imperfect."   Hmmm.

Exactly right RJ

The way she said it was in the context that they were wonderful. Almost perfect is usually a compliment. Why anyone would get offended because someone thinks their religion is better than than anothers just doesn't make sense to me.

It's like getting mad a Yankee fan for saying your team sucks. Your team could in actuality be better or worse but of course Yankee fans think their team is the best.

That interviewer didn't have to get all offended and indignant. All he had to say was, well we think Christains are almost perfect too.

This country was primarily

This country was primarily founded on religious tolerance. Part of that means you do not offend other people's religion. Coulter's comment on face value stated that her religion was perfect and others were inferior. It is a defenseless argument and Republicans cannot afford remarks from Coulter like this, even though Democrats get away with it everyday.

 

GAT -Tollerance doesn't mean agreement

I think we do need it. Her statements are far less offensive than many public statements about Christians and no one complains. While I think she's too divisive myself and don't really care to watch her, a lot of what she says is true. I think she has every right to say what she wants and if anyone is going to criticize her they need to criticize those on the left who do the same thing in much greater numbers. They are much more offensive than saying Jews need a little bit of tweeking for perfection. Liberals make Christians, Jews and Republicans out to be worthless Demons who need to be silenced and shunned.

Unfortunately being professional and mature hasn't been working for us.

Right, Dee. Coulter's remarks were mild, compared to

what Christians are hit with almost daily.  

I just don't get the selective hyper-sensitivity of people like GAT....particularly with him being a fan of Savage.  

"This country was primarily founded on religious tolerance.  You do not offend other people's religion..." Perhaps GAT would like to see a government agency for the Investigation And Adjucation Of Remedys To Religious Intolerance.   Or, maybe, a religious law similar to the stupid "gay-hate" law being currently considered by Congress.

"what Christians are hit

"what Christians are hit with almost daily."

Such as...?

You can't be serious Balboa - there isn't enough room here

You don't remember the Edwards campaign blogger saying that Mary should have had an abortion or something to that effect? What about Rosie comparing the Chrisitian right to Radical Muslims or the thousands of things Bill Maher has said from calling them Pasty White and frigid to lunatics and demagogues?

No one is going to take the time to go look up all the quotes. You know it happens every day so stop pretending it doesn't. You are better than that.

Of course bal isn't serious, Dee

It's been thoroughly discussed on NB, and he knows perfectly well that Christians are frequently debased.

But mock and antagonize are bal's watchwords.   Challenging even common knowledge is just a disingenuous tactic.  

 

I know what I consider an

I know what I consider an affront to Christians, so I was looking for examples of what you guys think are such examples. It's YOUR common knowledge, not everyone's.

Ah Bal, The old plight of

Ah Bal,

The old plight of the persecuted majority.

Boo hoo.

Well Leon - Chrisitans make up about 1/3 of the World population

It's open season on them because there are too many right? Just shoot them like a Coyotes why don't you. The fact is 100% of attacks are allowed on them and none on all others. Compared to all others they are the minority. If they only had to endure 1/3 of the world wide attacks on religion then maybe you would have a point.

You're being disingenuous again, bal

You know perfectly well that Christians are more often attacked than other religions, and that was the point....not what I might think is an "example."

You can hardly have missed the frequent discussions on the subject here on NB. Try to stay on point.

I think anytime someone

I think anytime someone asks a question you don't want to answer, you say they're being disinegenuous.

That might be true, bal, except

that I backed it up with reasons....unlike your posts that are often just snarks, indended to derail threads...as you've done here.

Hogwash. I asked a

Hogwash. I asked a question. That's not trying to derail, that's asking for more information, clarification.

Then, if you were serious, bal

Why is your question relevant to the "clarification" of the conversation?   (And please don't repeat the ridiculous answer that you only wanted to know my idea of an affront, as opposed to yours.) 

I have to agree that

I have to agree that Christians are more openly attacked than other religions such as on issues of abortion, divorce, and gay marriage as a few examples. When Christians oppose these issues the MSM characterizes them as religious nuts. I would call that bigotry.

Gat,  I feel like most

Gat,  I feel like most humor is rooted in things people are comfortable with.  Things they know well.

By this rationale, it stands to reason that Christians would face higher exposure to humor in a country where a majority of people are Christian.

You can only attack what you know.

Thanks GAT -

I'm glad that you can at least see that and believe me I know that
comments are much more hurtful to Jews with the Holocaust ever present
in their minds and Israel constantly under threat. Ann's comment said
nothing of persecuting, punishing or in anyway forcing conversion.
It's simply like someone who wants a friend to join their team, or
healthclub or see their Chiropractor or what ever because they think
it's the best and they want to share it.

Liberals and the MSM can't stand it that Christians and Jews get along because it blows a
lot of their religious demagogary out the window. Most conservative
Jews, agnostics and atheists can accept that Christians do not want any
harm to come to them. If they did they wouldn't support the Jewish
State and they wouldn't be some of my closest friends (I'm in the
agnostic category). Many more liberals (Christian or not) don't
support Isreal, so their comments are the ones that should be more suspect if anything.

I am not so sure that the

I am not so sure that the founding fathers had in mind to be tolorant of Islam et al. This Country was founding on Judeo-Christian doctrine.

They disagreed on Christianity and did not want a repeat of the Roman Catholic Church dominating like it did in Europe.

 

Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns

I don't agree dvd they wanted religious freedom

That doesn't mean they wanted any mention of God stripped from all government but it does mean people can practice what ever religion they want as long as they are not committing crimes in doing so.

Yes this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values, but those values are not forced on anyone.

Dee

I don't disagree with that.

However, my point is their intention was to be open in the Christian denominations, not nessecarily open to the others.

Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns

Weaseling

Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals........

except the weasel - Homer