With 'Betray Us' Ad, NYT Practices Character Assassination

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At Ed Morrissey's secondary blog, Heading Right, the Captain's Quarters editor and Blog Talk Radio host noted that by giving MoveOn.org a discount to smear General Petraeus, the paper of record has exposed itself as a radical activist shill willing to engage in character assassination (emphasis mine):

By writing off more than half of its normal price, it encouraged the publication of a nasty hit piece on the honor of a serving commander in a theater of war. The Paper of Record helped call Petraeus a traitor, surely one of the worst moments in modern American media.

The Sulzberger familiy should apologize to General Petraeus and issue a retraction. Furthermore, it should act to remove Arthur “Pinch” Sulzberger as publisher of the Times and finally put an adult in charge of what used to be the nation’s premiere newspaper. Offering discounts to a rabidly partisan outfit like MoveOn for the purpose of character assassination has stripped the last fantasies of objectivity from the paper and exposed it as the fringe-Left shill that it is.

Morrissey echoes the lament of other conservatives, including NewsBusters publisher Brent Bozell, who on "Fox News Live" today said that the Times was effectively a "co-sponsor" of a "despicable" smear ad.


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Paper of Record or Raper of Record?

This picture of Hillary speaks volumes about the left's utter disdain for the military:

http://www.nypost.co...

"Betray Us", that is very

"Betray Us", that is very creative and smart...not really, my middle schoolers could have come up with something a little more catchy. It just goes to show that those on left are childish and stupid.

"my middle schoolers could

"my middle schoolers could have come up with something a little more catchy"

Are you smarter then a 5th grader? Evidently not. We should put them to the test, along with Hillary, Barack and Edwards and watch them all fail miserably.

Supposedly

Allegedly, Keef Olbermann is taking credit for coming up with the "Betray-Us" smear. So, you're exactly right.

Del, Boy, it figures that

Del,

Boy, it figures that Olbermann would want credit for that stupid phrase.

I doubt I'd have to look

I doubt I'd have to look hard to find character assassination of Al Gore or Hillary Clinton around here.

RottenHam, Um, ...

RottenHam,

Um, ... because NewsBusters claims to be an unbiased news source?

Bias is one thing; hypocrisy

Bias is one thing; hypocrisy is another.

RottenHam, Sticking with

RottenHam,

Sticking with the news analogy, hypocrisy would be if NewsBusters claimed to be an unbiased news source and suggested that all other news sources should be unbiased - and then exhibited bias in the way it presented news. Of course, Newsbusters doesn't claim this.

More accurately, Newsbusters would be hypocritical if it suggested that other online sites like it (however you want to define Newsbusters) should not allow its contributors or members to attack opponents, while doing the same thing themselves.

Has anyone at Newsbusters suggested such a thing?

Sticking with the news

Sticking with the news analogy, hypocrisy would be if NewsBusters claimed to be an unbiased news source and suggested that all other news sources should be unbiased

No.  Hypocrisy is Newsbusters criticizing MoveOn and others for character assassination against Gen. Petraeus and then engaging in character assassination against Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, and various other Democrats.  If Newsbusters wants to criticize others for character assassination, it should clean its own house first.

RottenHam, If the

RottenHam,

If the contributors to Newsbusters had "criticized MoveOn and others for character assassination" then turned around and did the same thing, then I would agree.

So I'll ask - when have the contributors of NB criticized these other sites for doing this? Just to be clear, I'm asking about the practice of attacking or criticizing or challenging opponents (I'm wording it that way since I'm not sure how you are using the term "character assassination"). When has any contributor to NB said that other websites shouldn't do this?

And just a reminder, NB is a media watchdog site. The point of this article is that a supposedly unbiased news source like the NYT seems to be exhibiting bias in the way that it dealt with the MoveOn add.

Your initial posts clearly suggested that NB was somehow hypocritical in pointing this out. When I questioned your assertion about NB's hypocrisy in this, you shifted gears to suggest that it's NBs stance that websites shouldn't engage in character assassination. Even if true (and I'd be interested to see if you can prove it), you evaded my initial criticism.

If the contributors to

If the contributors to Newsbusters had "criticized MoveOn and others
for character assassination" then turned around and did the same thing,
then I would agree.

They have. Today, Noel Sheppard accused Al Gore of believing "PEOPLE are TERRIBLE." He accused Al Gore of misanthropy and supporting "population control." Al Gore believes none of those things. That's character assassination.


Your initial posts clearly suggested that NB was somehow hypocritical in pointing this out.

No. I was suggesting that NB is hypocritical for decrying character assassination and then practicing it.

No, you're paraphrasing. 

No, you're paraphrasing.  He said Al Gore has convinced (people) that people are terrible.

Hitler convinced people that we needed to fight a war against him.  That doesn't mean he did so with a direct quote.

It is not unreasonable that Al Gore is responsible for many becoming convinced that "people are terrible" because simple minds are easily convinced.

You will meet many Enviro-activists who are convinced that people are the worst thing to happen to this planet, and many of them were convinced by the arguments Gore presented.  Asking for a direct quote is dissembling by playing games with the semantics of his sentence.  The conveyed concept is 100% true.

That's not character assasination, that's a representation of how many people have become convinced that people are terrible, as they are responsible for allegedly terrible things being done to the planet, DUE TO Al Gore and company.

No, you're


No, you're paraphrasing. He said Al Gore has convinced (people) that people are terrible.

That's not the complete exchange. In the comments section, Sheppard wrote:

The entire premise of the alarmists is that PEOPLE are TERRIBLE
because we DRIVE CARS and EMIT CARBON DIOXIDE that's destroying the
planet.

Sheppard includes Al Gore in the category of "alarmists" who believe "PEOPLE are TERRIBLE." Sheppard is arguing that Al Gore believes "PEOPLE are TERRIBLE."

You will meet many Enviro-activists who are convinced that people are
the worst thing to happen to this planet, and many of them were
convinced by the arguments Gore presented.

Not really. If there are any such people they are very small in number and not representative of the mainstream environmental movement. This is like saying "many" conservative activists think bombing federal buildings is a good way to express dissatisfaction with the government.

Asking for a direct quote is dissembling by playing games with the semantics of his sentence.

Asking for a direct quote is asking for evidence that Al Gore actually believes what Sheppard claims he believes.

The conveyed concept is 100% true.

The conveyed concept is 100% baloney. It's a viewpoint Sheppard made up and then assigned to Al Gore.


That's not character assasination, that's a representation of how many people have become convinced that people are terrible...

You have provided no evidence that "many" people actually believe that least of all Al Gore.

Well, I'm glad you at least

Well, I'm glad you at least admit you were paraphrasing.  It's an amusing word game you're playing, but it's feeble.

You use the quote: 

The entire premise of the alarmists is that PEOPLE are TERRIBLE
because we DRIVE CARS and EMIT CARBON DIOXIDE that's destroying the
planet.

So, your counter claim must be that alarmist think people are wonderful for driving cars and emitting carbon dioxide and 'destroying the planet'.  Alarmists either like the 'destruction' or they don't, you can't have it both ways.  If you think they "love the sinner, hate the sin" I suggest you show up to one of their rallys in a large SUV, and see how you're treated, since you desire first-hand evidence.  Take an active part in your own education.  I can tell you're not dumb, you just enjoy the argument, but I guarantee you it's more fun when you're also right.

You will meet many Enviro-activists who are convinced that people are
the worst thing to happen to this planet, and many of them were
convinced by the arguments Gore presented.

"Not Really."  That's your entire argument? "Yes Really." is all I have to say to a retort THAT flimsy.  I have met them and plenty of them... first person.  Hell I lived with one for 2 years.  It comes with the territory when living in Los Angeles and San Francisco.  This is what we call a "primary source" when it comes to evidence. 

Arguing what is 'fringe' and 'mainstream' within a lunatic-fringe-inspired movement is pointlessly subjective, and you know it. Your "parallel" (more like an orthoganal) is a rabidly hyperbolic simile.  How many buildings bombers are out there, and how many environmental activists are out there?  You're comparing a bunch of apples to a bushel of oranges, but you missed the point that both are defined by their ACTIONS and not their mere existence.  Observe some environmentalist rallys yourself.  Poor treatment and hateful speech for the people they blame for global warming is the "action" you're looking for.  If you think the MANY (I know that word scares you) who engage in it are "like" the percentages of bombers among conservatives, then you need to learn how to count.

Asking for ONLY a direct quote IS dissembling by implying you have the right to ignore the mountains of contextual evidence simply because there is no admission of guilt.  That's just a word game and I'm calling you on it.  If that were the case, NO criminal who pleaded not-guilty would EVER be convicted of ANYthing.  If there's no direct quote of Hitler saying "I hate jews," does that mean the evidence to the contrary must be wrong?  That's the argument you just made.

There's nothing wrong with asking for evidence.  There IS something wrong and prejudicial with claiming the ONE piece of evidence you asked for is the ONLY valid piece you'll accept.

And let's see... more of the "No it's not because I said so." argument.  The concept IS 100% true, and you've offered nothing to refute it.

You want proof that people are easily convinced? Take a good look at PETA.  They have no problem putting animal life above that of human life (when it's not their own).  You think people are easily convinced of their own inferiority by Animal Rights, but somehow are immune to the same thought process from Global Warmingists?  They think people are terrible for infringing upon animals but somehow that very same sub-culture is ok with people destroying the whole planet and thereby the animals that live on it?  Cognitive dissonance much? 

Let's be clear, no one's claiming they think themselves terrible, they think everyone ELSE is terrible, as demonstrated above which you will no doubt dismiss and ignore.  I have no control over how you move the goal posts for "sufficient" evidence by playing your word games.

If many believe what Gore says about people destroying the planet, it logically follows that many of those will blame people.  If you talk to these people yourself, you will find many to be quite judgemental in their blame.  So again, I encourage you to educate yourself.

You have provided no evidence that many people DON'T get an inferiority complex by believing what Gore has peddled.  You're the one asking for a retraction.  Prove that one is merited.

Khyris, You're beating a

Khyris,

You're beating a dead swine(literally). RottingHam has been booted. Nice followup though!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

RottenHam, No. I was

RottenHam,


No. I was suggesting that NB is hypocritical for decrying character assassination and then practicing it.

Mr. Shepherd (by way of Mr. Morrissey) was decrying the character assassination of General Petraeus by a supposedly unbiased news source. Something that is in keeping with the whole aim of this website. No hypocrisy there.

I don't recall any contributor to NewsBusters ever suggesting that its own contributors can't express biased views and express harsh opinions in light of those views of those they disagree with. If they had, then maybe you would have an argument for hypocrisy.

So. Again. I'll ask where a contributor to this website has said this?

As an aside, with regard to your Gore example... It's obvious that Mr. Sheppard's comment about Gore was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Do you honestly think Sheppard was trying to attribute a false statement to Gore in that off hand comment? Given your other posts, I really don't think you're that dense. That leads me to think that you made an issue of it just to start a fight.

As an aside, with regard

As an aside, with regard to your Gore example... It's obvious that Mr.
Sheppard's comment about Gore was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

That wasn't obvious to me at all. Given the level of pathological hate conservatives direct at Al Gore, it's entirely reasonable to think Sheppard was serious.

Do you honestly think Sheppard was trying to attribute a false statement to Gore in that off hand comment?

I think Sheppard actually believes that Gore and environmentalists think "PEOPLE are TERRIBLE." That's what Sheppard wrote. Why should I not take him at his word? If I've misread Sheppard, then he should come here and clarify his remarks.

I know rotten is gone but...

"That wasn't obvious to me at all. Given the level of pathological hate
conservatives direct at Al Gore, it's entirely reasonable to think
Sheppard was serious"

You have us all wrong, where are laughing our butts off everytime something like "Global Warming events get cancelled because of cold weather" or Gore wisks away to an AGW event aboard a private jet. We don't have a pathological hate for Gore, on the contray, we think he is hilarious!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Slight Difference

Calling a 4 star general a criminal is a little more serious than my calling Kerry "Jean-Claude".

So.....

RottenHam, do you support or condemn the 'Betray Us' ad?

RottenHam, do you support

RottenHam, do you support or condemn the 'Betray Us' ad?

I'm indifferent to it.

"I'm indifferent to

"I'm indifferent to it."

Of course, and expected.

I hate

I hate trolls..

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Read Your Law Books

If you read US Criminal Codes, not to mention numerous military regulations, Petraeus is prohibited from being a political advocate for anyone, even the President.

But his critics, including move.on, are calling the man a criminal and also pronouncing him guilty without a trial. And they convicted him of the crime before he had even opened his mouth!

Sounds sort of like Nazi Germany or Stalinst Russia to me...and you leftists call Bush a "Nazi"? Too funny.

Del

I hope General Petraeus sues both Moveon & the NYT.

I'm no lawyer, but the "intent" seems pretty clear to me. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Actually...

Actually Blonde, I was hoping for the opposite-I want to see Soros and company try and get the General court-martialed for being a criminal.

After all, at least 3 US Criminal Code statutes and numerous military regulations specifically say that he can't act as a political advocate for ANY cause.

Of course, Kerry's Kool-Aid drinkers called the Swift Boat people "liars", but neither they nor Kerry ever sued the group for libel or false advertising. That's because they knew they'd never ever win in court unless they had "facts" to support their allegations.

"Sounds sort of like Nazi

"Sounds sort of like Nazi Germany or Stalinst Russia to me...and you leftists call Bush a "Nazi"?"

Who wrote the book:  "Do As I Say (Not as I do)."

Oh, yea, Peter Schweizer.  Imagine that.  An entire book about them.

GreenPorcine, to hell with you, you Marxist puke.


I doubt I'd have to look hard to find character assassination of Al Gore or Hillary Clinton around here.

As neither of the two individuals you have mentioned have any character whatsoever, assasinating something that isn't even there is a no-brainer.

Hillary Clinton is a committed Marxist. Under ever single version of her "health-care" plan, of which I believe there were five, Hillary Clinton was going to have both me, as well as my doctor, arrested, fined, and even put in prison for my going outside of her plan and seeing (along with paying) my doctor on my own.

Al Gore is a mentally-ill Marxist and freedom-hating kook. His father was a staunch defender of all things socialist. Al is simply carrying on the family tradition.

If you are a supporter of either of these people, then, in my mind, you are an enemy of freedom.

Therefore, you are my enemy.

To hell with you, you Marxist puke.

"I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!”- Rick Roberts

Hillary Clinton was going

Hillary Clinton was going to have both me, as well as my doctor,
arrested, fined, and even put in prison for my going outside of her
plan and seeing (along with paying) my doctor on my own.

Absolutely false. Did Newsbusters tell you that?


Therefore, you are my enemy.


To hell with you, you Marxist puke.

That's not very Christ-like.

You're really good with the

You're really good with the "No it isn't!" arguments....Winning over hearts and minds left and right...

You'll find most people here DON'T have a problem with opposing views if you actually take the personal responsibility to back up your assertions with a little leg work. 

I'm going to do you a favor just this once... here is the full text of (one of) the bills:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c103:H.R.3600.IH:

From it:

"SEC. 1003. PROTECTION OF CONSUMER CHOICE.

    Nothing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the following:
  •  
      (1) An individual from purchasing any health care services.
  •  
      (2) An individual from purchasing supplemental insurance (offered consistent with this Act) to cover health care services not included within the comprehensive benefit package.
  •  
      (3) An individual who is not an eligible individual from purchasing health insurance (other than through a regional alliance).
  •  
      (4) Employers from providing coverage for benefits in addition to the comprehensive benefit package (subject to part 2 of subtitle E)."

    Full disclosure; I did not bother to look up the other proposals. 

Khyris

FYI - RottenHam has been banned.

No need to bother.

The ad was paid for by the NYT

Looking at this discount, the NYT picked up more than 50% of the ad's cost.

Does this mean that the NYT actually paid for this ad, and that moveon just kicked in a contribution? Sure looks that way to me. Looks like the NYT rushed to get this ad into print, with eyes wide open and probably salivating a bit too much.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

So, to liberals, what makes

So, to liberals, what makes the MoveOn ad so different to them than the Swift Boats ad? To be consistent (snork) shouldn't they have to decry an ad denigrating the service of a combat veteran?

BTW, it would be hard to claim that the people behind the Betray Us ad, unlike the Swift Boaters, should be considered a jury of peers of Gen. Petraeus.

I think the best strategy to take with Dem Party is to ask them to return any contributions from MoveOn and have them cease any activities on the party's behalf.

Hardly likely...

Gen. Tommy Franks had some

Gen. Tommy Franks had some comments on this as well.