On the heels of an earth-shattering exploration of the 237 reasons people have sex --I swear, someone's going to make this into a coffee table book and get rich off of it -- Chicago Tribune faith and religion blogger Manya Brachear wondered, "Can sex bring you closer to God?"
Brachear opened her August 1 "The Seeker" blog entry:
Why do so many people of faith seem obsessed with sex? Or it just the people who cover them?
Although Brachear tossed out the possibility that it's the media that are sex-obsessed, she quickly turned her attention to just how prudish she thinks America's numerous faith traditions are:
Teenage sex, contraceptives, premarital sex, masturbation, extramarital sex, abortion, gay sex, celibacy. Not a year goes by when some if not all of the issues just listed are not addressed or condemned by a religious denomination.
It’s one thing to tell people every day is Sunday. But today, religious organizations take it a step further, calling on couples to contemplate church teachings especially in the bedroom every night.
Pesky religion. Telling people to govern the totality of their lives by what it considers God's will in all things. The nerve!
Being a journalist whose blog is dedicated to "a personal and professional quest for truth," Brachear certainly could have interviewed some priests, pastors, imams, and rabbis about how their faiths inform sexual morality, particularly the notion of honoring God with one's body, not just one's faith or good works.
After all, the notion of honoring God with the body (living in sexual purity in marriage or celibacy outside of marriage), is a notion threaded throughout numerous faiths but particularly emphasized in Christian Scripture.
But instead of exploring the thoughts of Chicago area clergy, Brachear paraphrased sex researcher Gina Ogden as insisting that "some people admit religious doctrine does get in the way of sexual pleasure."
Well, duh. For instance, religious teachings against pre-marital sex or adultery stand "in the way of sexual pleasure," but they also guard against the emotional and spiritual harmful consequences of the same. Many faiths teach this principle and Christianity in particular addresses sexual immorality and sensuality in the New Testament epistles, many of which were largely written to Christians living within a sex-obsessed, decadent Roman Empire.
In closing, Brachear asked for reaction from her readers:
What do you think? Does sex bring you closer to God? Or it against your religion to talk about it?
Brachear could also have asked if "being close to God brings you a deeper appreciation of sex with your wife or husband," but that doesn't serve well the notion that spirituality should start with the self at its core and reach God as almost an afterthought.
—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters















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Hands off our interference!
August 2, 2007 - 12:23 ET by HelenSI guess the dems/libs/msm are the only ones allowed to comment on or meddle in the affairs of men. And women. And the children...
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
It ain't the religious who are obsessed with sex
August 2, 2007 - 12:30 ET by nkviking75Perhaps religious people wouldn't dwell on sex so much if our secularized society didn't throw sex in our faces, figuratively speaking, practically every minute of the day. And in recent years activists for abortion, gay marriage, and what used to be called "free love" years ago feel it necessary to attack religious people in the process of justifying their opinions.
Maybe religious people just place a higher value on sex.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Oh, the old "Church Lady"
August 2, 2007 - 12:31 ET by Chris NormanOh, the old "Church Lady" stereotype rears it's outdated head. From the way casual sex permeates television shows and magazines, I'd say the Libs win the sex obsession contest hands down.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
...exactly - as if
August 2, 2007 - 13:11 ET by TruthMonger...exactly - as if hollywood et al are not obsesses with sex...
A common theme among libs is that they just can't seem to grow up - so the sexual obsessions of puberty last forever with these people...
Libs (whether "liberal" or "libertarian" right sarc?) really have trouble letting go of so many youthful things such as the unseasoned idealism, personal irresposibility, immediate gratification and pleasure...
it absolutely infests all of their policies and philospophies
TM, Some friends and I
August 2, 2007 - 14:22 ET by Chris NormanTM,
Some friends and I (very far from being prudes) were sitting around one night, watching tv and talking. We commented on the fact that neither we, nor anyone we knew, were obsessed with sex and talked about it (especially personal experiences) like any show on tv - "Friends" being the example. This seems to be a view of reality as seen from Hollywood.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
hey chris
August 2, 2007 - 14:36 ET by TruthMongeryes reality and hollywood are light years apart...
contemporary hollywood has a staggering social engineering mentality right now. kind of like the old Roman Catholic church and the crusades it seems. and non-conformists like us are brutally maligned and oppressed by the knights of liberalism...
that's how long-term history will see it anyway
yes reality and hollywood
August 2, 2007 - 14:45 ET by balboayes reality and hollywood are light years apart...
And thank goodness. I want Hollywood to entertain me, not show me your reality.
Balboa being
August 2, 2007 - 14:53 ET by MightyMouthBalboa being entertained.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
its not my reality - im just
August 2, 2007 - 14:59 ET by TruthMongerits not my reality - im just renting on a monthly basis...
Can you sublet?
August 2, 2007 - 15:01 ET by balboaCan you sublet?
i can if you like! happy to
August 2, 2007 - 15:38 ET by TruthMongeri can if you like! happy to
Balboa,I, for one, did
August 2, 2007 - 15:08 ET by Chris NormanBalboa,
I, for one, did not say it was entertaining or not. I just said my friends and I found that there seemed to be a disconnect between the situations and dialogue on television and reality - in a time when shows are supposed to be more realistic. We also commented on, among other things, that we didn't use the word "amazing" to describe everything - "We had this amazing dinner..." - you know, important stuff like that...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
True, but TV and movies
August 2, 2007 - 15:22 ET by balboaTrue, but TV and movies have long been a "heightened" reflection of society, so many things are emphasized in a show for effect.
Of course, it depends on what show we're talking about. Friends, yes, lots of sex talk. Gilmore Girls, not really that much.
What my friends and I were noticing was that most parents in TV shows are divorced, and there aren't many Ward Cleaver types anywhere.
well its not the 50's
August 2, 2007 - 15:40 ET by TruthMongerwell its not the 50's anymore either
Contemporary prime time TV is certainly trying to ram the liberal agenda down our throats
it aint just "entertainment" by a long shot...
Yes, it's part of the
August 2, 2007 - 15:54 ET by balboaYes, it's part of the eeeeeville master plan. MWAHAHAHAA!!!
Yes, it's part of the eeeeeville master plan.
August 2, 2007 - 15:58 ET by vrwc13Yes, it's part of the eeeeeville master plan.
Have to agree with you on this one Baal.
v
the eeeeeville master plan
August 2, 2007 - 16:25 ET by TruthMongerthe eeeeeville master plan - hee hee hee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_(Bible)
I'm convinced that the
August 2, 2007 - 16:00 ET by Clear thinkerI'm convinced that the anti-Christ has come back in the form of liberal ideology.
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Wow...that's an
August 2, 2007 - 16:02 ET by balboaWow...that's an interesting...view?
Deal with it. Get Email
August 2, 2007 - 16:04 ET by Clear thinkerDeal with it.
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ARGH...dealing...(oof)...rrr
August 2, 2007 - 16:13 ET by balboaARGH...dealing...(oof)...rrrrrg...but my demon overlords are sending me a telepathic message too...THE PAIN!
my demon overlords are sending me a telepathic message
August 2, 2007 - 16:17 ET by vrwc13not as funny as you think...
Really? I kinda liked the
August 2, 2007 - 16:23 ET by balboaReally? I kinda liked the "(oof)" part.
Really? I kinda liked the "(oof)" part.
August 2, 2007 - 16:25 ET by vrwc13the demon part...
i did like the oof part too
August 2, 2007 - 16:26 ET by TruthMongeri did like the oof part too
Let me be more
August 2, 2007 - 16:12 ET by Clear thinkerLet me be more precise.
"Modern American liberal ideology"
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you're either with Jesus, or
August 2, 2007 - 16:17 ET by TruthMongeryou're either with Jesus, or you're with the terrorists all right:)
TM... Explain your post
August 2, 2007 - 16:19 ET by Clear thinkerTM...
Explain your post please.
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ok you're either on the
August 2, 2007 - 16:22 ET by TruthMongerok
you're either on the side of Jesus or you aint...
Libs and terrorists aint...
hows that?
TM... Gotcha. For me
August 2, 2007 - 16:26 ET by Clear thinkerTM...
Gotcha.
For me personally, your statement is true. However I do not try to convince others of that. Their religion is their business.
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now explain your post
August 2, 2007 - 16:26 ET by TruthMongernow explain your post dammit:)
Sure, but which
August 2, 2007 - 16:28 ET by Clear thinkerSure, but which one?
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they just can't seem to grow up
August 2, 2007 - 14:38 ET by vrwc13they just can't seem to grow up... and really have trouble letting go of so many youthful things such as the unseasoned idealism, personal irresposibility, immediate gratification and pleasure...
Maybe that's why most of them have problems with real Chistianity where there's no room for: abortion, adultery, fornication, love of money...
Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love {and} peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
Who would want to adhere to
August 2, 2007 - 16:03 ET by mulerider24Who would want to adhere to stuffy Judeo-Christian values when our culture allows us to self-select values based on whether it serves our own self-interests? I would rather have God grant me personal peace and affluence to prove He loves me. At least that's the mentality our MSM applies toward religion.
This differs from
August 2, 2007 - 14:44 ET by balboaThis differs from conservatives in that all they want to do is grow up and be sensible about everything life has to offer, thus they tend to be cold fish, not really taking any time to enjoy life. Rather, it's work, make as much money as possible, live life by the narrowest of guidelines, and then die.
bal, true enjoyment is
August 2, 2007 - 14:47 ET by TruthMongerbal, true enjoyment is realized via Christian principles, you see...
lib hedonism is actually a living hell...
ah, the delicous irony - God is quite the yukster sometimes:)!
Of course. How silly of
August 2, 2007 - 14:51 ET by balboaOf course. How silly of me.
with age and NB blogging
August 2, 2007 - 14:52 ET by TruthMongerwith age and NB blogging comes wisdom, my son - go in peace:)
live life by the narrowest of guidelines, and then die.
August 2, 2007 - 15:23 ET by vrwc13Rather, it's work, make as much money as possible, live life by the narrowest of guidelines, and then die.
One could see it that way...but if your "conservative" is living for Christ, i.e. true Christian, then this life is but a "pencil mark on a string from here to China". You see we are not living for this life but the next!
Work - because He said "if you don't work, you don't eat"
Make as much money as possible - money as payment for working, more (as much as possible) money seen as a blessing to bless others with.
Live life by the narrowest of guidelines - God's word tells us how we shall live, and yes it is the narrow path which few will follow.
Die - we died to this life when we accepted Christ as Lord and Savior, we live now for "eternal life".
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.” John 3:36
I'm sure these are the
August 2, 2007 - 15:30 ET by balboaI'm sure these are the principles that Enron execs lived by...
principles that Enron execs lived by...
August 2, 2007 - 15:36 ET by vrwc13"You know these are the kind of arguements that liberals love to throw at you.
You can always find examples of someone not complying to their stated values/postion/etc. We all fall short.
But in general, most liberals are, well, liberal in their approach to sexual issues. And conservatives are, well, conservative in their approach to sex issues. Kind of why one claims to be one or the other " prior post
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
And that's true, for the
August 2, 2007 - 15:39 ET by balboaAnd that's true, for the most part, but you seem to think that the liberal "norm" is constant sex with anonymous people while doing drugs and aborting babies before carrying out the recycling. Not true.
Just as I know my earlier entry is not true but a hyperbolic version of left's stereotype of the right.
...constant sex with anonymous people
August 2, 2007 - 15:46 ET by vrwc13...constant sex with anonymous people while doing drugs and aborting babies... not true
Well 3,000 babies today probably wouldn't agree with you, if they could.
Still doesn't mean all
August 2, 2007 - 16:00 ET by balboaStill doesn't mean all liberals had abortions today after casual sex before doing blow, as some people seem to believe.
No, you are right Baal
August 2, 2007 - 16:03 ET by MightyMouthNo, you are right Baal (loved that one!), it's just the registered demorat liberals who have done all that today.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
You tell me bal, if a poll
August 2, 2007 - 16:14 ET by vrwc13You tell me bal, if a poll were taken today, what do you think would be the split of those who have had abortions be, between liberals and conservatives?
(clue)
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August 2, 2007 - 16:14 ET by Clear thinker90/10
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Probably more liberals than
August 2, 2007 - 16:15 ET by balboaProbably more liberals than conservatives, which still doesn't mean that every liberal is out there having an abortion today, or will have one tomorrow, or ever, or is sleeping with their cows, or is having affairs.
which means very little if
August 2, 2007 - 16:19 ET by TruthMongerwhich means very little if anything
It means that liberals, by
August 2, 2007 - 16:25 ET by balboaIt means that liberals, by and large, are not the Godless monsters you make them out to be. Neither are conservatives the way some liberals portray them. In general, the majority of both sides are just normal, good folks, just trying to get by, get along, live a good life. There isn't some sinister war between Good and Evil lurking behind these political debates. Just people.
but bal - yes they
August 2, 2007 - 16:30 ET by TruthMongerbut bal - yes they are
Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
There isn't some sinister war between Good and Evil lurking...
August 2, 2007 - 16:31 ET by vrwc13don't be so sure...
the majority of both sides
August 2, 2007 - 16:35 ET by TruthMongerthe majority of both sides are just normal, good folks
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23)
TM... One of my favorites
August 2, 2007 - 16:39 ET by Clear thinkerTM...
One of my favorites actually come from a bumper sticker I saw about 6 years ago.
"If you live as if there is no Hell...you had better be right"
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i do concur:) here we
August 2, 2007 - 16:43 ET by TruthMongeri do concur:)
here we have some:
http://uncrediblehallq.blogspot.com/2006/02/smile-there-is-no-hell.html
hell is a damn funny place!
I'm sure.
August 2, 2007 - 16:38 ET by balboaI'm sure.
may be time to shake off
August 2, 2007 - 16:40 ET by TruthMongermay be time to shake off the dust here vr
http://bible.cc/matthew/10-14.htm
And...?
August 2, 2007 - 16:41 ET by balboaAnd...?
andhttp://bible.cc/matthe
August 2, 2007 - 16:44 ET by TruthMongerand
http://bible.cc/matthew/10-14.htm
read down the page:)
Shake off the dust of your feet. This was done when there was a positive rejection of the gospel. It was a symbolical act, signifying that all responsibility for the stubborn household or city had ended. Compare Mr 6:11 Lu 9:5 Ac 13:51. Nor can the gospel be forced upon an unwilling people in any age.
<shake'n>
August 2, 2007 - 17:01 ET by vrwc13<shake'n>
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
He who dies with the most toys wins?
August 2, 2007 - 15:33 ET by vrwc13Conservatives - Rather, it's work, make as much money as possible, live life by the narrowest of guidelines, and then die.
Liberals? - Rather, it's play (drunk, drugged, and sex outside of marriage, abort anyone who gets in the way of play), make as much money as possible, live life by one's one rules ("just do it", "I did it my way"), and then die. Die - death if non-believers are right is "everyone goes to heaven" or we all become worm food. Or death if we are right, see an eternity in hell.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Mark 8:36
I know that's how I live my
August 2, 2007 - 15:37 ET by balboaI know that's how I live my life. I'm drunk right now, as a matter of fact, because a Nike shoe commercial told me to Just Do It when I looked at the bottle of Scotch one of my five mistresses gave me.
"its easier for a camel to
August 2, 2007 - 15:44 ET by TruthMonger"its easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle then a rich man to get into heaven"
libs are about piling up the $$$$, not conservatives
I'm drunk right now,
August 2, 2007 - 15:50 ET by MightyMouth"I'm drunk right now,"
Aha! I didn't want to say anything, but since you admitted it I can say : "I knew it!"
(give me a break on the "5 mistresses" though, only your American Idol bubba could keep up with that)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM... Let me guess, your
August 2, 2007 - 15:53 ET by Clear thinkerMM...
Let me guess, your talking about our first Black President the "Head Playa", right?
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Yep, funny how the word
August 2, 2007 - 15:58 ET by MightyMouthYep, funny how the word "bubba", like "dubya", is forever burned in the american lexicon.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
"Libs (whether "liberal" or
August 3, 2007 - 10:17 ET by sarcasmo"Libs (whether "liberal" or "libertarian" right sarc?) really have
trouble letting go of so many youthful things such as the unseasoned
idealism, personal irresposibility, immediate gratification and
pleasure..."
I suppose that's why we see so many sex/ethics scandals from the libertarian/fiscal-conservative types lately, eh?
JMR -- it's too easy to earn the 'nick sometimes...
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.
Liberals are obsessed with sex
August 2, 2007 - 12:38 ET by Dee BunkI think most liberals are afraid that if they become religious or Republican they will have to swear off sex or something. It's really amusing when you think about it. I think monogamous married couples have more sex than single people with multiple partners.
There are not just spiritual and emotional consequences to having multiple partners, there are physical consequences also. From AIDs to unwanted pregnancies and many STD's in between.
}}}----> Sex obsession
August 2, 2007 - 12:39 ET by Cool ArrowMaybe we don't care much for forking over our money to pay for somebody else's promiscuity. Even to the point of tax sponsored murder of those "mistakes"
Maybe we don't care for watching the disease ridden shells of what once were vibrant healthy humans waste to nothingness because monogamy is so passe'
Maybe we resent the incorrigible nature of those who were freed to pursue permissiveness and found themselves always craving deeper depravity.
Maybe we resent raising our kids indoors for fear we'll never see them again.
<blockquote>Not a year
August 2, 2007 - 12:48 ET by taznarWell, there's your problem....
August 2, 2007 - 12:47 ET by c5thenMany liberals approach life style as they do diets. They're 'neat' for a while but they get bored of the same old thing. Liberals who don't understand religion and how it is supposed to encompas your whole life and all actions, also probably go to the gym three times a week and then order a pizza for dinner afterwards thinking that the workout will compensate. They're so wrapped up in what makes them feel good, that they can't understand any other point of view.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Too bad we don't have any
August 2, 2007 - 12:50 ET by balboaToo bad we don't have any examples of Republicans being "neat" for years and years and then coming out...hmmmm.
Hi balboa - no one is
August 2, 2007 - 13:04 ET by Dee BunkHi balboa - no one is perfect, that doesn't mean you encourage bad behaviors. Everyone lies at some point to some degree but you don't go out encouraging people to lie.
I just laugh at the notion
August 2, 2007 - 13:08 ET by balboaI just laugh at the notion that only liberals yo-yo diet or are sexually "neat" between dips into illicit sexual activity.
it is funny isn't it? but
August 2, 2007 - 13:11 ET by TruthMongerit is funny isn't it? but they are the only ones:)
That's news to Jim Bakker,
August 2, 2007 - 13:18 ET by balboaThat's news to Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart...
that's two - very good bal -
August 2, 2007 - 13:23 ET by TruthMongerthat's two - very good bal - keep going - I think there maybe 4 or 5 more you missed:)...
I proved the point,
August 2, 2007 - 13:33 ET by balboaI proved the point, disproving the earlier post. But I could go on.
Newt, for example.
nah you didn't - but please
August 2, 2007 - 13:45 ET by TruthMongernah you didn't - but please go on!
You know these are the kind
August 2, 2007 - 13:52 ET by vrwc13You know these are the kind of arguements that liberals love to throw at you.
You can always find examples of someone not complying to their stated values/postion/etc. We all fall short.
But in general, most liberals are, well, liberal in their approach to sexual issues. And conservatives are, well, conservative in their approach to sex issues. Kind of why one claims to be one or the other.
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
I completely agree with
August 2, 2007 - 13:58 ET by balboaI completely agree with you.
and i you bal! u da man
August 2, 2007 - 14:02 ET by TruthMongerand i you bal! u da man
"some people admit
August 2, 2007 - 13:09 ET by motherbelt"some people admit religious doctrine does get in the way of sexual pleasure."
Excuse me?How is that? There is no proscription against sexual pleasure in marriage (that does NOT include just "any" monogamous relationship) so the "religious doctrine" thing doesn't apply. So I guess she means the guilt of extramarital sex or adultery, or the guilt that stems from one's religion's proscription of homosexual sex. Gee, if that stuff is spoiling your enjoyment of adultery etc, then by all means, let's dump the religious doctrine. Because you shouldn't allow anything to "get in the way of sexual pleasure" any way you want to get it.
Obsessed with righteousness:)
August 2, 2007 - 13:21 ET by TruthMongerWarning: The following contains evil thread-derailing Bible quotes - very sorry people:
For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me. Romans 15:1-3
The righteous are called to:
But no command exists to pursue, acquire, seek, or chase after pleasure:)
http://www.thefaithfulword.org/againsthedonism.html
Pursue vs. flee
August 2, 2007 - 13:43 ET by vrwc13But no command exists to pursue, acquire, seek, or chase after pleasure, but we are told when to flee (in regards to immorality).
more evil thread-derailing Bible quotes
Flee immorality. Every {other} sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 1 Cor 6:18
Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love {and} peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22
The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
Genesis
August 2, 2007 - 13:48 ET by dagdaDidn't God say to be fruitful and multiply? And doesn't practice make perfect?
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower