Did e support Wright or the church? He supported the church. and he did say that if wright did not retire he would pull out of the church. Just because the leader of a church sleeps with another man (while speaking out against gays) doesn't mean people should not support the church or run out of it right? You look at what the church does and generally say and if that conflicts then you should walk out.

Your analogy hinges on the integrity of the church in question, which went right out and hired yet another senior pastor who is of the same bent as Wright:  Rev. Otis Moss III.

--> A majority of that church's congregants are in agreement with both Wright and Moss or they would not have hired them, which further implies that a majority of that Churh's congregants are themselves, racists, since Wright and Moss are obvious racists. 

Senator Obama is known by the company he keeps.

Obama's church continues to espouse "Black Theology", and now I can say of a certainty that you choose to be cute rather than forthcoming with meaningful debate.

It is further obvious your doting over Obama is to show how condescendingly benevolent you are to Black folk.  I don't think you really care how much your paternalistic plantation owner attitude continues the destitution of the victim state.

Just how much better than members of minority races does all your condescension make you feel?

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Cool...No, not perfectly OK, but depending on the circumstances--perhaps the day care center is providing a critical service and is open to all races, creeds, and ethnicities--I might be less inclined to vehemently condemn it.

Al Capone set up soup kitchens in Chicago during the Depression.  Should we castigate the citizen who dropped off a can of beans? 

Look, we could chase each other around in circles for hours tossing out comparative scenarios.  I just think it's a logical stretch to label Obama a racist because he made donations to his church.

Jer

Cool...Having been born and lived my entire life in the South, I do have some friends--self-described conservatives--who, on occasion, have made statements which, taken in isolation, might well be considered racist in nature.

No, I have not severed ties with them.  Those statements do not define the total "being" [intellectual, emotional, and spiritual] of those persons, many of whom I have known for decades, and who I know to be decent and good and caring individuals. Nor are they militant white supremacists or racist skinheads or members of any other hate groups which, in such case, would no doubt compel a different reaction on my part.

I, in fact, treasure their friendship, and trust that we can always communicate openly, positively, and productively with each other.

Jer

Leon, please provide quotes, dates and link to Rush hateful, racist comments. See my post above about Rush comments that AA falsely accused Rush of making.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

You must. You know what I do for a living? I am not an expat - not one of those who did a runner. In actual fact. Go ask anyone in SA who I have worked with and for what they think of me being outside the country. You know what I do? I help businesses find opportunities to invest in Africa. Win-win. They make money and Africa benefits. Not charity - real business. And no, not weapons or oil. I am talking "big business" with something to gain and something to offer. I have been "out of Africa" for 6 years now. Doing this day in and day out. Not because I want to be outside Africa, but because we have to somehow get investment into Africa to help the countries through free trade. Not charity. That's a plaster and not a solution. I am not a communist because I do business for business.

So that is who I am - a problem with that. If you find an expat that did a runner. Don't send him/her my way. I have no time for them. Cowards who think of the 'good' old days when they were white and made their money off the back of others through slave trade - that's part of what the "old days" were like. And now all they can do is moan and complain and they do nothing to make either their country or the continent better. Yes. Cowards who haven't done a decent day's work. But are big mouth behind their cowardly look at the world.

"Utter contempt for Africa"? Where? Was it in implying that he couldn't stand reading any more of that piece "Mama Africa"? Maybe it was in pointing out facts that AA ignored? I see two statements of fact, one denigration of AA's literary ability, and a statement to the effect of, "I expected as much," in Cool's post. What I do not see is anything remotely resembling Cool's opinion of Africa, whatever such may be.

Honestly, I should expect this by now; it's not like the tactic is uncommon. Someone makes a statement you don't like, usually an "inconvenient truth". Assailing its veracity is either too tedious (finding hard data contrary to the statement in question) for you or impossible (said hard data does not exist), so what recourse is there? Ah-hah! Level a personal attack on the person making the statement! Hm, now how should one go about this without making it a blatantly-obvious attempt to derail the subject... Accuse the person of hatred/contempt/[insert negative sentiment here] towards something in the topic of discussion? Eureka! Still, that's a little obvious, and much too easy for him to just deny and shrug off, so let's not even give him that opportunity: Instead of accusing him of some sentiment directly, act like it's common knowledge that such exists and note our response to it. Condemn the opponent for sentiments we imply he holds without even having to take the time to accuse him of such? Absolutely brilliant! Lessee, now, we were talking about Wright, and Angry African, and, Oh! That's it! Africa! Cool feels disdain for Africa! So, with our little plan, it'll go something like "Cool, the disdain for Africa you've displayed on this thread is disturbing." Hm, now someone else is arguing with me about it, so we need to knock them off topic, too... Well, stick with the tried and true, right? "Bass... you showed an utter contempt for Africa. It was shocking."

Leon, I'm going to be blunt now. Cut the crap. If you want to accuse someone here of hating something, just do it. Then we can all laugh at the ridiculous accusation devoid of merit and get on with the discussion. Don't pretend that something is true just so you don't get made fun of when you fail to prove it. I can't speak for anyone else here, but, as I've demonstrated, I'm liable to make fun of you either way. When you just make the accusations outright, though, at least you don't get page-long threads mocking your approach as mundane, inane, and similar to butane (what can I say? It can't stand the heat ;) ). No promises on the use of puns and other groan-inducing jokes, though. Oh, and that page of mocking? It's not quite done, yet. See, the saddest part of your smear attempt is that not even LAWYERS allow it: "Objection, assumes facts not in evidence."

Okay, now I'm done.

*hopes Leon notes the sig below and makes some comment about this post not being very Christian-like so I can use an extra-special pun in response*

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