NBC’s "Today" picked their leader to revive the Republican party: MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough. The former congressman (and former conservative) who admitted to bashing Republicans more than Democrats, appeared on the June 9 edition of "Today" to promote his new book "The Last Best Hope."
Host Matt Lauer inquired as to who should speak on behalf of Republican principles and quickly added "leave your name out of it for a second." Lauer then branded Christopher Buckley, who endorsed Obama, "a modern conservative" and then proceeded to quite "Obamican" promoting Scarborough as the "new face" of the Republican party.
The transcript follows.
MATT LAUER: Joe Scarborough is the host of MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and the author of a brand new book. It's called "The Last Best Hope: Restoring Conservatism and America's Promise." Hey Joe. Good morning, good to see you.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Good morning. Good to see you.
LAUER: At this stage of the game after two drubbings at the hands of the Democrats do you want the discussion for the Republican party to be about Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich right now?
SCARBOROUGH: Absolutely not, or Michael Steele, or anybody else.
LAUER: Give me some names. Who should it be about right now?
SCARBOROUGH: No, no, it needs to be about our ideas. Because the problem is the conservative party, the Republican party, stopped being conservative eight years ago. Republicans didn't get drubbed in '06 and '08 because they were too conservative. They got drubbed because they were too radical. They spent too much money, they engaged in military adventurism and their rhetoric was too hard.
LAUER: It's got to be about ideas but you've got to have someone to communicate the ideas. So who's going to be the person to communicate them?
SCARBOROUGH: Well, but that's kind of like--
LAUER: And leave your name out of it for a second.
SCARBOROUGH: Actually, it's kind of like saying, "hey, we've got to make a movie. Let's get a movie and get somebody pretty in front of the camera." No. You write the script first. This script has already been written. It's -- and Barack Obama's giving us the contrast. He's giving us the conflict, because he is -- he is a big government liberal, and we need more small government conservatives who actually believe what they say. But, you can't double the size of the national debt like Republicans did, and go out and make that case in a winning way.
LAUER: Talking out two sides of your mouth. You say the Republican party has got to reform or die. I know that's meant to sound dramatic. In some ways was the last election, the death of the old Republican party? And might not that be a good thing in terms of recreating the party?
SCARBOROUGH: I don't know if it was the death of the old Republican party. Maybe the next election will be the death of the old Republican party. Are Republicans going to wake up? Are they going to realize that not only do they need Dick Cheneys in the party, but they need Colin Powells in the party? They need to expand--I mean we should want everybody in the party that we can get and not have a harsh ideological test. That's what I talk about in the book. We all run around talking about Reagan, Reagan, we've got to be more like Reagan. Well, we've got Reagan's ideology down, smaller government, less taxes, but we forget Reagan's temperament. We have to have a better temperament. We can't be shrill. We can find the middle of America. Ronald Reagan, everybody's quoting Ronald Reagan. Palin was quoting Ronald Reagan --
LAUER: But how do you say to the American people, we've got to look to the future and you keep constantly going back to Ronald Reagan?
SCARBOROUGH: Again, Ronald Reagan's specific solutions that worked in 1980 won't necessarily work now. But that's just like saying you can't go back and get inspiration from Thomas Jefferson or James Madison. And again, the focus is on Reagan's temperament. Reagan didn't hate. It was conservatism with a smile. And there were a lot of conservatives out there right now that can find the middle of America temperamentally. That's what we need more than ever.
LAUER: A couple of things real quickly, Christopher Buckley, who's the son of William F. Buckley, modern conservative, says that you, Joe Scarborough, you are the face, the new face of the Republican party. Do you want to be?
SCARBOROUGH: Boy, that's frightening. You know, I'd rather just go with the playbook to tell you the truth.
LAUER: And you said that Obama's policy are the biggest challenge to America's capitalist system ever. If Barack Obama, though, manages-- if the economy happens to turn around in the short term, unemployment goes down, housing prices stabilize, people are borrowing and lending money, how are you going to convince the American people that in the short-term, in the short-term, Barack Obama didn't get it right?
SCARBOROUGH: Well, that's great news. And let's hope the economy turns around. I'll be cheering for the president if that happens. My concern is the long run, the deficits. This president is going to have more deficits and debt piled on to an already huge debt that George Bush left us, than all 43 presidents combined. We have a long-term problem, it's a crushing problem. Even the president admits his own deficits are just not sustainable.
LAUER: Book is called "The Last Best Hope." Joe Scarborough, it's good to have you in person.
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Well, he would be an
June 9, 2009 - 12:03 ET by NewsbusterbrownWell, he would be an improvement over McCain and Powell.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
...the friends he keeps
June 9, 2009 - 12:08 ET by slickwillie2001Here's a hilarious take on Scarborough's new book; he had a book-launching party and: "Isn’t it at least a little bizarre that the grand book party for said book would be held at the home of Margaret (so liberal you can’t take her seriously) Carlson? And that the guest list (with video) included such notable conservatives as - Andrea Mitchell, Dana Milbank, Chris Matthews, Ana Marie Cox, Norah O’Donnell, Frank Foer, Evan (Obama is god) Thomas, Michael Isikoff and Bill Press?"
Reference: Mourning Joe: What's Wrong With This Picture: http://www.redstate.com
To NBC
June 9, 2009 - 12:12 ET by cvgbuckeyeTake off your robe and go get back in Obama's bed. Keep your Marxists noses out of the Republican Party and Conservatism of which you are clueless.
What happened to Rush? Joe
June 9, 2009 - 13:02 ET by kgWhat happened to Rush? Joe is around liberals en mass 24/7 over at MSNBC. Some of it is bound to wear off on him.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
Carlson had a party and didn't invite...
June 9, 2009 - 13:33 ET by SickofLibsOlbermann?
Shocking, seeing as Velma is one of favorite "guests" and all.
Ron Paul!
June 9, 2009 - 12:13 ET by pwozMake Dr. Ron Paul the leader of the GOP. He's the only real Republican left! More and more young people (like myself) are throwing our support behind the Libertarian wing of the party. We're sick of the RINOs!
No offense but if you think
June 9, 2009 - 12:23 ET by Jack BauerNo offense but if you think Ron Paul is the answer you're asking the wrong questions.
You'd be better off throwing yourself under a bus. While L. Ron Paulard may espouse sound conservative principles on certain economic and financial matters, "leader" of the GOP?
How much percentage support did he get in the primaries? Newt Gingrich would get more votes than him -- and he's another loser 2012.
The media and GOP "leaders"
June 9, 2009 - 12:26 ET by pwozThe media and GOP "leaders" threw Dr. Paul under the bus. It's the religious zealots and the spend-happy big government traitors that are going to keep the Democrats in power.
His popularity has exploded since the election because the People are waking up and realizing that McCain was a RINO, Obama is a neomarxist, and Bush was another RINO.
The GOP needs to abandon their biatching about abortion and gay marriage, and continue to focus on individual liberty and free market principles. The dollar will collapse soon enough, so lets hope enough wake up against the "change".
The Media projectes the GOP
June 9, 2009 - 12:35 ET by general companyHis popularity has exploded since the election because the People are waking up and realizing that McCain was a RINO,
Everyone new that, the primaries chose him because of this. The media and the "moderate" states made this decision for the rest of us. The media was looking for the weakest GOP canidate, thanks to the moderats, thats what we gave them.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
His popularity has
June 9, 2009 - 12:52 ET by Jack BauerLook, it seems you weren't a Newsbuster last year.
If you were you would know that EVERY frackin' conservative on here knew exactly who McCain was, we didn't support him, and let out a collective groan when he won the primary. We ALL knew that.
Then there was a sullen acceptance and making the best of a bad bad deal compared to Obama. Who we also all knew was a Marxian socialist. Usually because Newsbusters broke many of the stories about his past .
We also all knew Ron Paul and his cult followers are crackpots. Plenty of them posted on here to prove that daily.
Conservatives ARE NOT Libertarians. There is a Libertarian Party. Now libertarians do share some foundational principles with conservatives, which most of us on here know about.
But you seem an enthusiastic chap, and I'm not trying to piss you off, but we went through all this last year.
Ron Paul will NEVER lead the GOP -- let alone be it's Presidential candidate. Forget it.
Get over Ron Paul...
June 9, 2009 - 13:07 ET by Nforce"The media and GOP "leaders" threw Dr. Paul under the bus. It's the
religious zealots and the spend-happy big government traitors that are
going to keep the Democrats in power."
Actually if you knew your facts, you'd know that it was Paul's unapologetic hatred for anything war - what true libertarians believe. We are NOT in a time in our nation's history to have some anti-war "let's talk" pansy leading the Republicans. This nation has enough of that representation on the other side of the isle.
And finally, to a point on a poster below, the only person the media would fall in love with as representative of "Republicans" would be the likes of anyone who trashes Conservatism. The media helped elect Obama. The media is no friend of Conservatives. Conservatives will continue to FAIL when they attempt to pander across the isle like so many RINOs have done and continue to do. Who gives a damn what the media thinks? Many Republicans seem more concerned about their image in the media than what they stand for. We don't need that kind of representation. Not now, not EVER. How about former First Lady Laura Bush pandering to Sotomayor and saying she'll be a "fine" SCOTUS justice. Please.
pwoz
June 9, 2009 - 12:29 ET by cvgbuckeyeI understand you but begging that I do not insult you, Ron Paul comes off on TV like about the goofiest person since Ross Perot. As a matter of fact, Mr. Paul actually makes Perot look like someone reasonable, that has actually been born on the planet Earth.
Mr. Paul has about as much a chance of winning the presidency as "Larry The Cable Guy" and about as much serious credibility. PLEASE do a little more reading. There is nothing more futile like throwing your support behind someone who has about 1% of the support of the American people and falling.
Perhaps in 2008, yes, but
June 9, 2009 - 12:39 ET by pwozPerhaps in 2008, yes, but the GOP needs a new face. They need someone who has NEVER put special interests in front of their principles. Dr. Paul also has brilliant economics on his side, such as Peter Schiff (his econ advisor who may run for the Senate in CT).
After Obama destroys the private sector, people like Ron will be much more realistic for the POTUS.
Remember, Obama was a NOBODY until 2007... 18 months of campaigning change.
We have plenty of time to campaign "you've been duped, comrades".
I did not take your comment as insulting. I understand where you are coming from.
Wake up pwoz
June 9, 2009 - 12:49 ET by general companyIt wont matter who we put up, they will be attacked unmerciful, just ask Palin, Jindal or Perry. The media is a propaganda machine, they will do everything in their power using every means at their disposal to destroy anyone with whom questions the liberal agenda. Just ask Joe the Plumber, or Miss Cali?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
They can only attack and
June 9, 2009 - 12:51 ET by pwozThey can only attack and blame Bush so much. I'll bet the media will turn on Barry when unemployment hits 15% and the dollar index is below 50.
Nope
June 9, 2009 - 12:53 ET by general companyThey will simply ignor it. They already are. They will be making excuses for him untill they themselve are out of work.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Correct on all counts
June 9, 2009 - 15:46 ET by UtherpendThey made excuses for Carter during his entire presidency and never called Clinton to the mat even when he was in impeachment proceedings.
"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."
"GOP needs a new face"
June 9, 2009 - 13:36 ET by SickofLibsI agree, but next time it has to be someone who wasn't born during the Great Depression.
So Joe gets on right away to
June 9, 2009 - 12:22 ET by Tom PaineSo Joe gets on right away to plug his book. It's ten weeks (9 at #1) and counting and they still haven't had Levin on to talk about his book.
Yep, pretty sad
June 9, 2009 - 12:51 ET by general companyAnd quite amazing that Levin GREAT book is still doing so well without any help from the leftist media.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
LOL @ PMSNBC. Self-aggrandize much?
June 9, 2009 - 12:32 ET by jazboThose who believe in nothing will believe anything.
Scarborough
June 9, 2009 - 12:33 ET by KC MulvilleI like the guy, but I don't agree with him.
Scarborough is a politician, and his sensibilities are political. What does it mean to say, as Scarborough did, that we can't have a "harsh ideological" test? What test?
John McCain was not the conservative candidate. Talking conservative isn't enough: when push comes to shove, we don't want an executive who buckles and compromises. Mitt Romney claimed he had become conservative, but months before that he was governing a liberal state in a liberal way, so conservatives were wary of him. Huckabee talked a conservative game, but he had the same problem: conservatives were worried that in his performance as governor, he raised taxes.
Contrast that with the Democrats. Someone please explain to me how Democrats "moved to the center?" They're as radical as ever. It had nothing to do with their ideas or their principles of governance.
Scarborough is taking the media-liberal perspective for granted. The GOP is harsh. The GOP hates minorities, and needs to do better. The way to "outreach" to others is to sell off any principles you have and buy their votes by intellectually abandoning any ideas.
SCARBOROUGH: No, no, it
June 9, 2009 - 12:37 ET by Jack BauerSure... President George H.W. Bush (1988-92) was such a big conservative.
But to really see Joe's schitzophrenia and non-joined up thinking right in all its glory, how about these doozies in consecutive paragraphs?
Err... EXCUSE ME, but isn't Colin Powell one of those NON-conservatives who led to the "drubbing?"
How does the GOP restore conservative principles by co-opting an Obama voting quasi-Democrat who has no stated problems with the current socialist agenda of Obama.
So Joe, what piece of logic leads you to utter that oxymoron?
Re Third Party
June 9, 2009 - 12:54 ET by slickwillie2001Going third-party is like throwing away a car because the engine is running rough then building a new car from the wheels up. It makes much better sense to fix what is wrong with it. Going third party only in the Presidential sense also is pointless. Third party Presidential candidates tend to be sore losers that simply guarantee the failure of the party that they originated with.
Re Ron Paul, he might have a place in a Republican administration in a domestic cabinet position, as long as you build a high firewall around him to keep him out of anything to do with foreign affairs. As President, Ron Paul is a non-starter.
I think Ron Paul's
June 9, 2009 - 13:00 ET by pwozI think Ron Paul's non-intervention approach would be better accepted globally than Barry's "IM SORRY AMERICANS ARE EVIL" approach.
With that being said, the economy should be the #1 priority. Luckily, even the garbage networks (MSNBC, CNN, etc) have been inviting people like Ron Paul and Peter Schiff, and are keen about their insight.
Hell, Peyton Manning... err Maddow even was surprised at the candor and opinions of Dr. Paul.
slick -- yep, crazy 3rd
June 9, 2009 - 13:02 ET by Jack Bauerslick -- yep, crazy 3rd Party talk spread by Democrats.
Besides, anyone seen some recent Rasmussen polls? Despite the MIA Repubic leadership, Rush, Levin and Hannity are having an effect in denting the voters Obamagasms.
And it has to be them as they're the only ones leading the CONSERVATIVE DISSENT - cos it sure ain't Michael Steele, Gingrich, the Judiciary Committee Reps, or most of the talking heads the GOP puts up for the networks.
I saw this early this
June 9, 2009 - 13:02 ET by bigtimerI saw this early this morning...and as usual Joe proves he walks both sides of the fences when convenient...in my eyes he is nothing more than a political whore...and has been for a long, long time.
...he fits msnbc well.
...and of course the rest of the msm will love him as they did McC when convenient to their agenda to divide and destroy any chance the conservatives, let alone the GOP have a chance at winning anything, when are these twits like Joe going to wake up and smell the coffee...
Powell is happy now, he has Joe, Newt and others saying how welcome his in the big tent...well, not in my world, Powell is an enemy to the party...along with others like him.
JMHO
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt -- let's start a book on
June 9, 2009 - 13:05 ET by Jack Bauerbt -- let's start a book on Joe's book.
I guess in the first month of publication he sells 19,649 copies!!
Justin..long time no see!
June 9, 2009 - 13:29 ET by bigtimerJack...lol...what a grand idea!
As an aside...Justin, it is great to see you back here, on a great topic for a change besides The View!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Joe Scarborough/Mark Levin = Pat Boone/Little Richard
June 9, 2009 - 13:43 ET by AMR1960For those of you old enough, remember in the 50's?...When Little Richard had Hit songs like 'Tutti Frutti' & 'Long Tall Sally'. The powers that controlled the media at the time sought to isolate Little Richard by having Pat Boone do cover versions of those songs.
Today we have Main Stream Media ignoring the firestorm that Mark Levin's book: Liberty & Tyranny http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Liberty-and-Tyranny/Mark-R-Levin/e/9781416562856/?itm=6
Has unleashed, and is instead quixotically pushing the Soulless 'Cover-Book' by Scarborough titled: The Last Best Hope. It's tragic that Scarborough is wretchedly trying to cash-in on a subject he has no personal affinity for...Conservatism.
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Long Live...THE REPUBLIC !
Face of the Republicans?
June 9, 2009 - 13:37 ET by BlondeWell, Joe has a pretty face, I'll grant you that. It's what comes out of his RINO mouth that I have a problem with.
As for the "face" of the Republican party....we need a whole new set of "selectors"....the media isn't even worth mentioning. What I'm talking about is the Republican "establishment".
I got a letter from Sen. Cornyn, as Chairman of the Senate Republican Committee, asking for support for the (R) senate races. Not bloody likely after the asshat came out in support of the RINO Charley Crist on the very day he announced for the seat. Thank you very much, but I'd rather my state have the opportunity to elect our own candidate, you stupid bloody RINO's.
These Rockefeller Republicans can kiss my grits!
I hope he fails, too.
I'm sure Matt Lauer and
June 9, 2009 - 14:10 ET by fitzfongI'm sure Matt Lauer and Christopher Buckley would love Joe Scarborough to be the new face of the Republican Party. After all, he's an ideologically incoherent RINO with a dead secretary skeleton in his closet. What could go wrong?
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
I will buy this "new face
June 9, 2009 - 14:29 ET by Tom PaineI will buy this "new face of the Republicans" nonsense from the libs as soon as they can show me all of the Conservative, Pro Life, limited government, fiscally responsible national candidates in the Democrat party.
Funny...
June 9, 2009 - 14:48 ET by Radar_OneI remember an IL State congressman delivering a speech at the 2004 DNC...the nobody you speak of was groomed from that point on to be the "great hope" so he didn't come out of nowhere he was made by Soros Daley Clinton and all the other Liberal retreads.
I pleaded with people last year to pay attention to Mitt Romney...he would have been a far, far, far better choice than McCain or Paul, or damn near anyone else that came along. Especially with the economy being trashed...Mitt Romney would have been far more knowledgeable.
Barack Obama= Half Honkey...ALL Donkey
This really isn't fair that
June 9, 2009 - 14:59 ET by Another Dead KennedyThis really isn't fair that we don't get Joe on the west coast where his show ends at 6 am. Is that on purpose?
Don't worry, you're not
June 9, 2009 - 15:04 ET by fitzfongDon't worry, you're not "missing" much. Nobody watches it on the East Coast, either...that's by choice.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Well, when I hear "New Face
June 9, 2009 - 15:14 ET by Another Dead KennedyWell, when I hear "New Face of the Republican Party," I have to wonder what I'm missing. I hear rumblings of Starbucks product placement...
Joe can change closed minds
June 9, 2009 - 17:10 ET by momdmI understand a lot of the irritation many have with Joe, but he is the only Republican I can think of that is able to get out any conservative ideas and views that moderates and Democrats will listen to. We all know how hard it is to discuss conservative ideas with Democrats. They don't won't to hear it and will shut you up and belittle you before you can even begin. He's on for 3 hours every morning and he's able to argue many conservative ideas. He is likable to the other side because he comes across as fair when he criticizes Republicans. It is so important for conservatives to be heard by more than just other conservatives. I guess it is good that he is not too well liked by many conservatives, because he would lose his effectiveness if he were. His conservative-based arguments rarely lose on Morning Joe. Rush always says that he is not quitting his job until everyone agrees with him. The trouble is, most of the people who listen to Morning Joe do not listen to Rush. Joe has the ability to change minds that Rush would never reach.
Oh, I get it. Matt Lauer
June 9, 2009 - 17:12 ET by Chris NormanOh, I get it. Matt Lauer picks the "new face of the GOP". And here all along I thought it was Republican voters who did that - silly me...
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Scarborough does have
June 10, 2009 - 01:34 ET by RR GOPScarborough does have flashes of brilliance when the soma, Kool-Aid or whatever they're giving to him wears off.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
I like Joe
June 10, 2009 - 08:06 ET by DEHIIII don't agree with him 100% of the time. But I agree to an extent we do need to have a party that is welcoming of different ideas. I think that means on common issues you make it your leader of an agenda.
However, the GOP and especially conservatives have stood for core principals for quite some time such as more limited government, empowering the individual, returning control to the states, lower taxes for everyone, controlled spending (wow did the GOP get away from this principal during the Bush years), and a strong national defense. I think those are core principals and we should not toss them out the window because the media would like to see everyone get along.
Core issues
June 10, 2009 - 10:35 ET by KC MulvilleI think that's the problem. The core issues of what makes a Republican are being deliberately confused.
But Powell (and Spector, and Megan McCain, etc.) are claiming that conservatives are "shutting out" social liberals. They run to the media and complain that they were unfairly attacked, but al that really happened is that they lost the internal vote. Conservatives, they say, are applying a litmus test and excluding people who want to be Republican. We're "purging" people of different opinions.
That's a crock.
Nobody's purging anything. We didn't throw Specter out, he chose to leave because his polls showed that he was going to lose. Powell voted for Obama, even after the party nominated the candidate closest to his point of view (McCain). These are all crocodile tears, shed to the media.
I'd be glad for Powell to vote Republican. But don't tell me to stop advocating the pro-life cause. After all, according to the poll, that's the majority position!
But, KC, I think reducing
June 10, 2009 - 11:15 ET by fitzfongBut, KC, I think reducing Colin Powell's differences with the base of the Republican Party simply to abortion and other social issues clouds the real gap between conservatives and other self-described Republicans. The real chasm is down to economic policy. Powell, Schwarzenegger, Frum and the others are incoherent and intellectually undisciplined when it comes to discussing matters of economics, so they hide their illiteracy behind "big tent" differences...on war, abortion, "Global Warming"/"Climate Change", race, gender, sexual identity, "inclusiveness"...and try to create voting blocks out of these issues. Last I checked, people like John McCain and Lindsey Graham were pro-life, but they drift towards the Powell side of the Party when it comes to tax policy and the role of government. Until that wing of the Party can reconcile its differences with the base regarding economic issues, the social issues will merely be the smokescreens that they always have been.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
That raises a question I've asked before
June 10, 2009 - 14:34 ET by KC MulvilleWhat makes someone a Republican?
I've said that parties have no content. They're simply a group of people who are willing to tolerate each other long enough to win elections. They have no content.
So, having said that, let me make this point ... the content of the party is whatever the people in the party want it to be. Now if you want the content of the party to be pro-abortion and pro-regulation and a lot of government, there's already a party that represents those values. They're called Democrats.
Powell claims that we have to adopt those Democrat policies to attract more votes. But that's foolish, because if people really want those values, they're going to vote Democrat anyway.
The illogic of Powell's position gives him away. His explanation for why he wants the party to change doesn't hold water. After all, he voted for Obama for reasons that had nothing to do with the changes he's asking for. If Powell voted for Obama on the basis of Obama's personality and not issues, he himself proves why "changing the issues" is a wild goose chase.
Frankly, I'm sick to death
June 10, 2009 - 11:24 ET by motherbeltFrankly, I'm sick to death of hearing from Powell and other so-called Republicans who say that the way Republicans can get more votes is to espouse more Democrat positions.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson