"The View" co-hosts will go so far to defend Reverend Jeremiah Wright and by extension Barack Obama, that they will even throw Martin Luther King Jr. under the bus. Discussing Wright again on the April 7 edition, the ladies justified Wright’s words by noting some very controversial remarks by the late Dr. King. Sherri Shepherd, apparently taking Michael Eric Dyson’s cue, quoted King predicting America "will put black people in a concentration camp." Joy Behar, in a hopeful tone, added "Maybe someday Reverend Wright’s words will be taken out of- in a different context. It’s possible."
Whoopi Goldberg also justified Wright’s extreme sermons, opining he is bringing his anger from a different era. Elisabeth Hasselbeck wondered what happened to "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Whoopi Goldberg again justified Wright’s anger.
"But in America, what I’m, I guess I’m trying to say is, yeah it’s, it’s very easy to say, you know, ‘forgive them Father.’ And, you know, black folks are real resilient. We have forgiven and we continue to forgive and we get up and we get down, and we get up and we get down. But you can’t, you can’t take someone’s anger from them when that’s how they feel. Just like for me, when I’m angry about something, this is a good place for me to go do it. I might not be able to do it any place else. So it’s just an interesting thing to see that the same kinds of things are happening but in a different way."
The entire transcript is below.
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: I think we’ve, we’ve made a lot of inroads. I mean, a lot has changed. But, you know, economically there’s still a lot of problems that we need to deal with to balance it out. I mean, you know, and I think the idea that people are finally able to say, without getting jumped, "yes, this is how I feel about X, Y, Z." That’s, that’s a huge leap for me. And that, for that, I’m grateful to Barack Obama, but we have-
ELISABETH HASSELBECK: But don’t you think he had to address that coming off of Jeremiah Wright? I mean, it wasn’t like "good for you. You addressed it." He had- it was more of a reaction.
GOLDBERG: No, I think he didn’t. What wasn’t said was this was not the first time these statements have been made by a reverend. And I know you have some of that information Sherri.
SHERRI SHEPHERD: Yeah, I was going to say, Martin Luther King, you know, they called him a rabble rouser too. He said, "and you know what? A nation that put as many Japanese in a concentration camp as they did in the 40's, will put black people in a concentration camp. And I’m not interested in being in a concentration camp. I’ve been on a reservation too long now." So he said a lot of the statements that Reverend Wright has said in this day.
HASSELBECK: In a, in a very different time. I mean, yes, he said things about the war. He was, he was not a man short of words or passion. He led a movement that needed, that needed to happen.
SHEPHERD: Which I think Reverend Wright also-
BARBARA WALTERS: But it’s 40 years-
HASSELBECK: Those statements were grossly anti-American.
JOY BEHAR: So, so were Martin Luther King’s in many ways. He said "we are criminals in that war," meaning the Vietnam War, "and we have committed more war crimes than almost any nation in the world," he said.
HASSELBECK: The Vietnam War, that was horrific. I mean- in that time do you think he was- that in that time he was speaking to, he was speaking about the Vietnam War. We are in a different time.
BEHAR: The people who spoke about the Vietnam War at that time, like Jane Fonda, is still vilified in some parts of the country. People still hate her for, they call her "Hanoi Jane." She did a few things that she shouldn’t have done at the time. And he, now we’re celebrating his birthday. I mean, I don’t know. It’s just interesting to me. Maybe someday Reverend Wright’s words will be taken out of- in a different context. It’s possible.
SHEPHERD: You know, but if they did take Reverend King’s- if they had YouTube back then and they took these sound bites, "I’ve been on a reservation too long," you know, "we’re war criminals," and they played them over and over on a loop he would sound-
HASSELBECK: You’re referencing Jeremiah Wright’s statements.
SHEPHERD: No, no. I’m saying Martin Luther King.
HASSELBECK: So you’re saying if they play them on a loop like you’re saying people did about Jeremiah Wright. What Jeremiah Wright was saying, he’s been preaching for how many years now? Thirty years, that Barack Obama’s been sitting, and if not hearing, hearing about.
GOLDBERG: Elisabeth. You’re missing, you’re missing the point.
HASSELBECK: I get the point. What I’m saying is don’t equate those two men.
GOLDBERG: But you must and that’s what we’re trying to-
HASSELBECK: I don’t have to equate them. I think that Martin Luther King is a hero, he, he-
GOLDBERG: Listen, you think that now, but if you had been born then you might not have thought that.
HASSELBECK: How do you know?
GOLDBERG: I said you might not have.
HASSELBECK: I would not have.
GOLDBERG: And so what I’m- but you don’t know that because you weren’t born then. So what I’m saying to you is maybe Jeremiah Wright coming out of the time period that he’s in shares those same views. And that’s the difference.
[applause]
HASSELBECK: He’s not speaking about it. Here’s the difference. He is not- no wait a minute. Let me finish. Let me finish. He is not speaking about America then. Jeremiah Wright is speaking about America now, different time.
GOLDBERG: Based on his experience of America. That’s what you, that’s what you’re not understanding. I understand what you’re saying. But I’m saying to you listen, this is a guy who was part of that movement, who went through all of that, and is still angry. We find when we look at preachers, and I said this to you guys before, the black churches were the only places where you can go out and just rant about stuff.
HASSELBECK: Are they now?
GOLDBERG: Yeah, yeah.
SHEPHERD: Yeah.
HASSELBECK: They are now?
GOLDBERG: Yes, absolutely, I can say that to you now.
HASSELBECK: If he is angry, if he is a preacher, he is absolutely angry, what happened to "forgive them Father they know not what they do"? What happened to that message? That should be the first message, the first.
[applause]
GOLDBERG: Well, that works, that works but in America-
WALTERS: Can I just say one thing?
GOLDBERG: Yes, Barbara.
WALTERS: One thing, I mean we can go back and forth with this.
GOLDBERG: And I just-yeah.
WALTERS: I want- okay, go ahead. Because I just wanted to say something about how far we come and where we need to go, which is where we began.
GOLDBERG: Yes, absolutely. But in America, what I’m, I guess I’m trying to say is, yeah it’s, it’s very easy to say, you know, "forgive them Father." And, you know, black folks are real resilient. We have forgiven and we continue to forgive and we get up and we get down, and we get up and we get down. But you can’t, you can’t take someone’s anger from them when that’s how they feel. Just like for me, when I’m angry about something, this is a good place for me to go do it. I might not be able to do it any place else. So it’s just an interesting thing to see that the same kinds of things are happening but in a different way.
BEHAR: I wouldn’t assume, but I wouldn’t assume that he hasn’t said Jesus’ words at some point in another speech.
HASSELBECK: I’m sure he has, he just-
SHEPHERD: He also still preaches about-
HASSELBECK: To equate these two men is shortchanging.
BEHAR: We’re not equating. We’re just saying in the context of time. That’s all.
GOLDBERG: Yeah, that’s all.
—Justin McCarthy is a news analyst at Media Research Center.
















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MLK = JW?
April 7, 2008 - 14:52 ET by wiley catSo, it sounds like they are basically interchangable, so it must be OK to say that Reverend Martin Luther King was just like Reverend Jeremiah Wright (as a minister, of course)? Or, Reverend Jeremiah Wright is just what Reverend Martin Luther King would be if he were alive today?
I'm fine with this
April 7, 2008 - 16:11 ET by TruthMongerI'm fine with this comparison - as long as GWB is also equated with MLK - you just have to be disliked by someone, right...is that how it works...?
Code
April 7, 2008 - 23:43 ET by ahusserMaybe "GD America" is code" for "I have a dream".
Where to begin...
April 7, 2008 - 14:54 ET by jpatchFirst of all, having these women debate the issues that they do is a joke in its own right. Just like when Bill Maher (B.A. in English) tries to talk about foreign policy, or when Al Gore (B.A. Government??) tries to talk about climatology.
But how interesting is it that Behar and Goldberg are pleading for us to take the dishonorable Rev. Wright's comments in "historical context"; they're telling Elisabeth not to judge him now, for in the future he may be proven to be just like MLK...funny, but shouldn't they reserve that same judgement for President Bush? Shouldn't they be waiting for history to judge him?
Oh, I guess the liberals only grant the benefit of the doubt to those that preach HATE against our country.
What kind of f*cked up country do we live in? Whats the matter with these self-loathing imbeciles?
Well put...
April 7, 2008 - 19:19 ET by unkeeafLook, we're heading over the cliff, the only question is how long it takes us to get there. I view our country like an individual who has been diagnosed with terminal cancer. He's gonna die, just a matter of when. I hate to be so negative, but there are so many of these dumb asses (and more coming everyday) that it makes it hard to imagine any other outcome.
In the end, our primary enemy as a republic is not terriorism. It's self-loathing, nation hating liberals and the press who give credibility to their idiotic views.
The Revered Wright-On!
April 7, 2008 - 15:04 ET by Jack BauerAh yes... I was so moved by the Reverend Wright's I HAVE A SCREAM speech, I watched it over and over.
I sill don't get how race intergration as envisioned by Dr King meshes with the black seperation messages of the Rev Wright-On.
But I'm sure the saintly Barack Obama has a suitably glib and facile explanation.
Wright=MLK? Phffft! I'll see that and raise you a 'spit-take"!
April 7, 2008 - 15:26 ET by heldmywJust to really give you an indication of how desperate the MSM is to WhiteWash the Wright stuff...
...I kid you not!
It seems that the pervasive stench and slime of Anti-America/Semitism/White/Logic/Decency that Wright spackled the Obama campaign with just isn't wiping off. Desperate times and desperate measures my friends!
Watch for Rev. Jeremiah Wracist to be compared to Jesus next!
http://gatewaypundit...
Not the color of their skin but the content of their character
April 7, 2008 - 15:50 ET by jpatchI've heard a lot of claims that these "excerpts" of Rev. Wright are being blown out of proportion, and that they only represent a tiny amount of the totality of his preachings on other, less *contraversial* subjects. But aren't those words and ideas part of his character nonetheless?
His words are POWERFUL, anyone who watched the videos can hear him well. And his message was POWERFUL; as powerful as it was CLEAR.
Those of you out there who refuse to hear that message, are probably those, at least to a small extent, that agree with Rev. Wright's vitriolic, treasonous malcontent.
He has used his pulpit for economic gain by the exploitation of black resentment. Now he could have a direct link to the President of the United States of America.
Is anyone else as frightened as I am?
Black exploitation
April 7, 2008 - 16:14 ET by political mavenJpatch, you are right about Wright
HE doesn't believe a word he says , he just feeds the simpletons in his church the fuel to rile them up. Bottom line with all these black churches (and many white ones) give me money & you will be saved.
But this Wright is no idiot..he played them like a violin & now has millions.
If any of these black leaders cared about their people they would say 3 things.
1)stop having babies out of wedlock
2)stop commiting crime
3)don't expect to have money like Oprah & Shaq..just earn an honest living.
The reason the blacks hate the Jews & Koreans is because they were discriminated against as much as anyone ...especially Jews for 1500 years by Christians, check European history.(Naturally excluding the USA which is a kind & fair country to all & God has blessed the USA for being fair to all people) , yet wherever they went, they worked hard & moved up. "yes" say the blacks but the Jews look like regular whites...
answer: Asians..look different..but move up the ladder in the good ol' USA
Wright, Farrakhan (sp?) these guys hate the whites, but the Jews even more, because they take away the excuse of "we were opressed, that's why we are in the shape we are".
How about a steel cage match...
April 7, 2008 - 16:20 ET by jpatchRev. Wright now vs. Bill Cosby 1990?
And lest we forget, that Mr. Wright is moving into his 1.3 million dollar home in a mainly white, gated community. Usually, hypocrites are forgotton; somehow we've transformed into deifying them.
My neighbor
April 7, 2008 - 16:40 ET by oregon_jiimI have only heard my neighbor make racist comments 2-3 times in the last 15 years, but those were enough to prove to me that he is a racist. The fact that he has made many intelligent, insightful comments on almost every other subject doesn't make him any less racist.
Either BHO is racist himself, or he has extremely poor judgment; either one of these instances should disqualify him as a presidential candidate.
"an endorsement of communism is an endorsement of slavery"
Exactly.
April 7, 2008 - 16:44 ET by jpatchI agree with the analogy and wth the conclusion.
The problem is defining
April 8, 2008 - 15:17 ET by Dan The Man 2The problem is defining racist and how it applies overall. When one says racist they usually mean bigotry because everyone is racist to a certain extent. Racist menaing preference of one race over another. It is just human nature to have preferences on ho you hang out with and what experiences you may have.
Wright is bigoted.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
The View
April 7, 2008 - 16:01 ET by donsalimanThese women are brain dead,I have no other explanation for their way of thinking.
unreal
April 7, 2008 - 16:17 ET by texan1953I have never understood how this show remains on the air. It is another piece of evidence that the decline of western culture continues.
Compare MLK and J Wright:
April 7, 2008 - 16:56 ET by Great DebaterCompare MLK and J Wright: Well, both were/are black and Reverands. However:
1) One preached coming together, the other preaches hate.
2) One preached teachings that blacks, whites, asians, and everyone could use. The other teaches blacks to hate whites.
3) One led a peaceful movement that freed men (and I would argue also led to South Africa granting blacks there freedom). The other leads his people to blame others for their problems.
4) One won the Nobel Peace Prize (back when it actually meant something). The other ... well ... is peace even in his vocabulary?
J Wright is simply an American politician. He tells his listeners what they what to hear, and in return, they keep him in office and the money flowing in. In his church's area, too many don't to hear that they have any responsibility for how their lives are going. They want to hear how if they're poor, it's someone else's fault. Rev. King explained that civil rights wouldn't simply take from whites and give to blacks - it would lift everyone up from where they currently were.
I wouldn't really care what these "View" idiots say, except for the fact that some people actually believe they're right - and that's downright scary.
The most obvious difference ...
April 7, 2008 - 17:17 ET by crosspatchis that Martan Luther King Jr. was a Republican and most of the politicians that were against him were Democrats.
"The View
April 7, 2008 - 17:27 ET by motherbelt"The View Co-hosts"..
'nuff said for me to stop caring....
OTIS MOSS
April 7, 2008 - 17:39 ET by okiehawk44For those who believe Barack Obama's excuses about Jerimiah Wright's views/sermons/writings being those of an old man with old thoughts. No, no, no! Barack Obama's new preacher at Trinity United Church of Christ is Otis Moss. He's a young man who has the same exact views as Jerimiah Wright.
Obama what's your excuse for belonging to that nasty church now?
Rev Wright was a Muslim?
April 7, 2008 - 18:13 ET by VinceP1974According to a New Republic story that was saved here
http://www.pickensdemocrats.org/info/TheAgitator_070319.htm
Comparing? Jesse Jackson on Imus in the Morning April 4th MLK
April 7, 2008 - 18:47 ET by lareeI watched this Friday 4th of April morning Jesse Jackson on Imus in the Morning speaking on the assassination of Martin Luther King. I have seen no coverage of something I would think is a momentous occasion. Jesse Jackson insisted Imus be fired last April. For a soundbite made in satire, that Rutgers womens basketball would never have heard if it wasn't saturated in the newscycle. Rutgers where last year at a home football game with Navy, they screamed over and over F*Ck Navy.
Does anyone remember last April 12th when Imus was fired for Nappyheaded Hos? satire in context, no one has still really commented on. The sisters on the View want us to take Rev J Wright's comments in context...uh huh.
Last year Imus was taken off the air in the middle of his radiothon for his children charities they couldn't wait one day!
http://imustimes.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/120/
Eric Deegans of Tampa Bay has been writing, they refreshed a tired show and Imus's ratings went up on the radio, comparing WFAN last quarter before firing to 77WABC in February numbers for Imus so they all really helped Imus in the Morning. Deegans omits that Imus in the Morning was also a tv simulcast on MSNBC. According to Bill O'Reilly his ratings were up and Imus would state from time to time they would beat CNN in the ratings and they were a radio program. Since the firing of Imus, MSNBC had to consolidate they lost revenue so did CBS. I need to understand how this helped? People lost jobs.
Last year NHH soundbite was saturated in the newscycle and Imus was fired...and that was after he apologized..Obama insisted Imus be fired...last time Obama was on the View, Barbara Walters asked him about his different position on Imus then on Rev J Wright ....he didn't answer, has Obama insisted that Rev J Wright apologize? We are coming up on the aniversary of Imus's firing, what do all the players have to say for themselves? Does Obama have a double standard? Odd how he doesn't have anything to say maybe he is waiting for someone to write something for him to say.
It's isn't what is said it is who gets to say it? Free Speech?
April 7, 2008 - 18:54 ET by lareeHere is eric deegans on the aniversary of Imus being fired.
For some reason reminds me of a comedy bit Imus and the crew always use "we're not happy till you're not happy"
http://www.tampabay.com/features/media/article440782.ece
And that's how that works
April 7, 2008 - 19:01 ET by lareeEric Deegans after Jesse Jackson is on Imus in the Morning Friday April 4th Mr Deegans ends his article stating he should stop obbessing, how odd up until Jesse Jackson went on the new IITM program he couldn't stop the rant. What does this mean for Obama who had insisted Imus be fired last April and now has some trouble explaining his posistion on his own Pastor's outrageous remarks, I doubt the ladys of the view have a clue.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/2008/04/coincidence-of.html
Interesting take on MLK's
April 7, 2008 - 19:36 ET by balboaInteresting take on MLK's Japanese camps quote from Dyson of the LA Times:
"Such quotes may lead some to wrongly see King as anti-white and anti-American, a minister who allowed politics to trump religion in his pulpit, just as some see Wright now. "
I think you're right...
April 7, 2008 - 20:27 ET by jpatch"God d*mn America!! The White man gives AIDS to the black man!!"
Do I officially have Rev. Wright status now?
I think the point was that
April 7, 2008 - 20:45 ET by balboaI think the point was that MLK's quote was not the same as Wright's quote.
I understand how you could draw a connection between the two, but it's tenuous at best.
Did I miss something?
April 7, 2008 - 22:06 ET by jpatch"I think the point was that MLK's quote was not the same as Wright's quote."
Aren't Goldberg and Behar saying that Rev. Wrigh's comments are the same as MLK's? Isn't their stance that Rev. Wright is being misunderstood and unfairly characterized as a racist, while in reality he's just fighting for justice for the opressed black man, just as MLK had done years ago?
Yup. I was just providing an
April 7, 2008 - 22:12 ET by balboaYup. I was just providing an interesting quote that disagreed with the connection that The View gang was trying to make.
I checked on the TUCC
April 7, 2008 - 20:51 ET by QueenMumI checked on the TUCC website for CD's or DVD's of Rev. Wrong's sermons. Although there is a lengthy list of sermons, there's nothing of Rev. Wrong to be seen - other than an Anniversary Set. So, my question is: Are there other examples of the Rev.s rantings that we haven't seen? I'm sick and tired of the excuse that what we've been shown in the media was simply cherry-picked in order to make Wright look bad. The clips in question were self-explanatory and could not be put into any context other than the context of hate and racism. I want someone to find more of these sermons. They're out there somewhere. Obama cannot be allowed to get away with dismissing his association with Rev. Wright. His membership in this church and his mentoring by Rev. Wright is key to his vision of America.
And to paraphrase: Rev. Wright, you're no Martin Luther King.
I am the exotic Queen Mum, and I approved this message.
I dont know anyone who says these things.
April 7, 2008 - 21:07 ET by general companyI also would love to see all of the quote's, and would also just love to here the contexts as to witch they were uttered. If they are going to talk about him, they should give their viewers/readers some clear examples.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Speak the truth.
April 7, 2008 - 22:12 ET by jpatchAmen to that sermon Queen.
And you didn't even have to say "God d*mn America!!" to get me all weepy-eyed!
Where can I buy your DVD set?
Oh holy cripes!
April 7, 2008 - 22:02 ET by drillanwrThese women make Edith Bunker look like Madame Curie ...
And am I completely out of line to remark that I have had it with Elisabeth Hasselbeck? I mean, is this woman incapable of putting a whole thought into a complete sentence? I actually find her lines in a transcript more difficult to read than some of the other hens'. Her heart may be in the [right] place, but she just can't seem to put any strength and substance into anything she says. Her one shining moment was to counter Rosie ... Well, we know she has "it" in her ... Why the timid mouse stance around the table?
When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy… ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks
Bill O'Reilly Makes my point.
April 8, 2008 - 11:28 ET by lareeThis is Eric Deegans reply to Bill O'Reilly's segment last night on the Factor. Bill O'Reilly gets it...and this is how it works it isn't about content it is about if you are a white male in america...what do you get to say well you have to ask Eric Deegans, appearently he has appointed himself the Speech Police Czar. O'Reilly mentioned that Imus was one of the people who have been unfairly labeled a racist. I am not going to comment on this guy Eric Deegans as far as I can tell he is an opportunist who has tried to make his bones on the Imus Media Hype Event last April.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/2008/04/bill-oreillys-l.html