Joy Behar defended the indefensible on "The View," Gloria Steinem’s anti-military comments, and Elisabeth Hasselbeck came out strong against them. For those that missed it, the famous feminist implied Hillary Clinton is more qualified than John McCain because Senator Clinton did not serve in the military. Steinem rhetorically asked "killing people is a qualification for ruling people?" She continued to wonder how it may have been different had John McCain been a female prisoner of war.
"suppose John McCain had been Joan McCain and been captured, shot and been a POW for eight years. The media would ask ‘what did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?’"
These inflammatory comments became the topic of discussion on the March 3 edition of "The View." Elisabeth Hasselbeck, to a very loud applause, called the rhetoric "despicable" and "evil."
"And in reading that I thought, there could not be a more despicable mischaracterization of those serving us in the military, protecting her freedom to run her mouth and speak something so, in my mind, evil."
Joy Behar wondered what was so "evil" about it, and claimed all Steinem said was to not that military service does not necessarily qualify one for the presidency. Behar also felt Steinem’s John McCain versus Joan McCain argument was "very interesting" and compared it to blaming the rape victim on wearing revealing clothes.
At that point Whoopi Goldberg jumped in to note that Iraq War prisoner Jessica Lynch did not receive those type of questions.
The transcript is below.
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: Where is that coming from? You know, she, she made a comment. Do you have it there?
ELISABETH HASSELBECK: She’s been a long time supporter of Hillary Clinton.
BARBARA WALTERS: Let me go back about this. About two months ago she wrote an op-ed piece, an opinion piece in "The New York Times," in which she said sex, sexism is more rampant in this country than racism. And that, there was a lot of sexism against Hillary, which is unrecognized and unacknowledged. So now in a speech that she just made over the weekend, she was talking about John McCain and the fact that he had been in a prison camp, and what qualification did that make for him to be commander-in-chief. She said "killing people is a qualification for ruling people?"
HASSELBECK: Yeah, and she also said "I’m so grateful that she," meaning Hillary, "hasn’t been trained to kill anybody." And in reading that I thought, there could not be a more despicable mischaracterization of those serving us in the military, protecting her freedom to run her mouth and speak something so, in my mind, evil.
[applause]
JOY BEHAR: She also goes on- she also says, she also-
HASSELBECK: But I think what she said-
BEHAR: Why is that evil what she said? Why do you say that it’s evil?
GOLDBERG: Wait, wait. Go ahead.
BEHAR: Why evil? You can it’s misguided. You can say that she’s wrong.
HASSELBECK: It’s a mischaracterization.
BEHAR: Why is it evil?
HASSELBECK: Because there are men and women right now, right now in uniform fighting for her freedom of speech.
BEHAR: Right.
HASSELBECK: And she is using the description of a military person, "I am so grateful that she hasn’t been trained to kill anybody." Meaning thankfully she wasn’t in the military trained to kill somebody as if that’s all they are trained to do.
BEHAR: But she’s saying that, that doesn’t per se make it a qualification to be president. That’s all she’s saying.
HASSELBECK: No, no. That’s not all she’s saying.
BEHAR: She’s not saying anything against the Army.
SHERRI SHEPHERD: She’s diminishing what she’s been through. I think it’s such a diminishment-
BEHAR: Well, she does diminish it a bit.
SHEPHERD: Of what McCain has been through. Because you’ve been in prison. You’ve been a prisoner of war, you’ve been tortured and you came through. That speaks of a strength of character to me, and I think she’s diminishing what those men and women are over there doing for them.
[applause]
BEHAR: So then you also would have been against the Swift Boating that took place against Kerry then. That was also evil.
HASSELBECK: Of course. I think that it’s a distraction of politics.
BEHAR: Right, okay, I think I’ll go along with that. But I think this is the thing that she said that was very interesting to me though. She said "suppose John McCain had been Joan McCain and been captured, shot and been a POW for eight years. The media would ask ‘what did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?’" I think it’s almost like when a girl gets raped they say, "well, you were wearing a short skirt, why did you go in the park at ten o’clock at night?" It’s the same argument.
GOLDBERG: I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think that’s true.
WALTERS: You and I were just about to say the same thing, in the Iraq War.
GOLDBERG: Yeah, the young lady, the young lady that was captured. I want to say her name is Jessica and I’m probably wrong. It is Jessica. They didn’t say that about her. I mean, I don’t think, I think Gloria was wrong on this one. I love Gloria she’s been-
BEHAR: But it’s an interesting statement.
GOLDBERG: Wait a minute. It is an interesting statement, but I think it’s wrong. I think it was the wrong way to go about saying what she wanted to say.
HASSELBECK: She loses the argument.
GOLDBERG: Yeah it makes it hard to hear.
HASSELBECK: She loses the intention, saying the sexism is more rampant than racism.
WALTERS: I love Gloria. I have great respect for Gloria, and I do think the reason that this is in the headlines is that people do feel that she went too far. I think she is passionate because this has been Gloria’s life. The whole based on the idea that she’s a feminist and that sexism-
BEHAR: Without apology, she’s a feminist.
WALTERS: And she sees, she sees Hillary-
GOLDBERG: And I don’t mind that. I’m black without apology, you know.
WALTERS: She sees Hillary still being damaged by sexism, that in her opinion it is a bigger cause, even than racism.
HASSELBECK: Well, then don’t bring the men and women in uniform into her-
WALTERS: We all are agreeing with you though.
SHEPHERD: Does this-
WALTERS: But she’s not a mean person.
HASSELBECK: No.
SHEPHERD: Does this help Hillary by, you know, how I feel and you feel, by diminishing what our boys are doing, and what John McCain has done. Does it, is it-
WALTERS: I think that’s a very good question and I think it doesn’t
—Justin McCarthy is a news analyst at Media Research Center.















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Way to go, Elisabeth
March 3, 2008 - 15:20 ET by greenfairieGood for her! Steinem's comments were despicable. How dare she look down on those who have served in the military during war time as killers while she lionizes abortion as a sacrament.
I'm still on the floor
March 3, 2008 - 15:24 ET by motherbeltI'm still on the floor at the thought of a liberal telling someone else that they can't call someone evil just because they have a different opinion.
No kidding...
March 3, 2008 - 15:46 ET by dronetekThese people are either pathological or their memories are
very short. The hypocrisy shown by that woman is mind blowing.
MB
March 3, 2008 - 17:03 ET by well99I got into it with a sociology prof one time about Pol Pot.His response to Pol Pot killing a eight of Cambodia's population.It was a political mistake.
Amazing. I bet he's
March 3, 2008 - 20:43 ET by JerryAmazing. I bet he's telling his students right now that BushHitler is an evil dictator who is murdering innocent Iraqis.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Jerry
March 3, 2008 - 20:59 ET by well99Probably but that was back in the 80s.Still I bet your on the mark.To be honest I dont think leftist(Not to be confused with liberals) have a conscience.They put ideology above people.
Devotion
March 3, 2008 - 16:22 ET by KC MulvilleMcCain's imprisonment doesn't prove that he's a military genius, but it does reflect a deep love of this country. The fact that it isn't evidence for strategy is simply beside the point. If you're looking for true character, honor, and duty, McCain's sacrifice is pretty solid evidence. That's the part that Steinem misses, I think intentionally, because I can't believe that someone of her intelligence could miss something so obvious.
Part Right
March 3, 2008 - 16:52 ET by kdoliverKC,
I think you are partically correct. Being a POW does not a military genuis make, ask PFC Lynch. However, his action as a POW and sense then have shown his to have a great love for America.
Where I think you go astray is thinking that Steinham is intentionally over looking the facts in her comments. People like her who blame America for every problem, truly can't comprehend that he loves America. She doesn't have the capacity for Patriotism.
http://thelazytriathlete.blogspot.com/
Perhaps
March 3, 2008 - 17:29 ET by KC MulvilleWhat bothers me is the possibility that she does understand it, but she's willing to throw it overboard so she can elect Hillary, because that's more important to her. A true patriot wouldn't be so quick to distort the sacrifice made by a fellow patriot.
Waaaaaaaaaaah!
March 3, 2008 - 16:58 ET by babooWALTERS: She sees Hillary still being damaged by sexism, that in her opinion it is a bigger cause, even than racism.
Wow. What an astute observation by the wise ladies of The View. So according to them, the *real* issue that determines the Democratic Presidential nominee, and quite possibly our next President, is the following:
Who do you think is a bigger victim of the White Man's oppression: Women, or Blacks? Who best *deserves* to have their victimhood status ameliorated by giving one person of their particular racial- or gender-group the highest office in the nation?
Oh, and by the way, if you think that electing Obama will quell the cries of Systemic Racism! or that electing Mrs. Bill Clinton will quell the cries of Systemic Sexism!, you're unfortunately mistaken.
comparable DNA
March 3, 2008 - 16:59 ET by Mica the MagnificentDuh View's gullible audience is genetically the same gullible audience that jumped out of their windows or hid in their basement or ran through the streets screaming "We're doooomed!" during Orson Wells 'War of the Worlds' broadcast in 1938.
Different generation but just as stupid.
Goldberg fair again
March 3, 2008 - 17:32 ET by bias-fighterNot for nothing, but Whoopi was fair and level-headed on this one. She's a hell of a lot more objective and rational than Rosey Tubby every was. A lot of people were worried about her replacing the big moonbat, but this isn't the first time she's been the lesser of stupidity. Right now, it seems Behar is the lone jackass.
"Lone Jackass.." Ahhh,
March 3, 2008 - 20:48 ET by Jerry"Lone Jackass.." Ahhh, but Rosie still lurks behind the grassy knoll, check the Zapruder film. Behar with a Texas Boot Supository is just a fall gal.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
»→ Jerry
March 3, 2008 - 20:52 ET by Cool ArrowI've seen the grassy knoll. It ain't near that big.
♣ a seal
Hah! She must be a gator
March 3, 2008 - 20:59 ET by JerryHah! She must be a gator fan because a semi-knoll just won't do. Actually, if she's behind it, it's a Gassy knoll.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Hey!
March 3, 2008 - 21:05 ET by BlondeBetter watch that "Gator Fan" rhetoric, there fella.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hillary "Swift Boating" McCain: Clark and Steinem
March 3, 2008 - 17:45 ET by bias-fighterAs Bob Parks reported in, his Daily Dose: Campaign 2008 Mythbusters, Hillary has hurt the feminist movement by demonstrating that she can't do it w/o the help of her man. He campaign started by emphasizing she was independent of Bill, but as it started to slip she had to increasingly rely on him. That makes this statement by this lady ironic to say the least. Moreover, Hillary's own point people can't identify "What Foreign Policy Moment . . . Point [] to in Hillary's Career Where She's Been Tested by Crisis?" The answers, according to Hillary's point men: 1. *DEAFENING SILENCE*
2. *MORE SILENCE*
3. Uhhhhh....
4. She served on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
5. She thinks women's rights are good, and she said so one time in China.
6. She's been endorsed by Gen. Wesley Clark and several other high-ranking military officers. (from michelle malkin)See also http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/ Lastly, Clark's comments demonstrate what an idiot he is and explain why he couldn't continue suporting Bush. He's too stupid. "If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done during her time as the First Lady of the United States, her travel to 80 countries, her representing the us abroad, plus her years in the Senate, I think she’s the most experienced and capable person in the race, not only for representing am abroad, but for dealing with the tough issues of national security.Mind you, this is the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee he’s talking about. Consider it a Greenwaldian revision of the chickenhawk meme, one that’s been in the works ever since it dawned on the left that they wouldn’t have a vet at the top of the ticket this time while the GOP very well might: It’s not military service that’s important, it’s the right kind of military service. The Christmas in Cambodia kind."http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1979554/posts
See also http://www.redstate.com/blogs/john_rohan/2008/mar/03/the_feminist_vs_the_war_hero
I'm more confident in McCain's chances with every day that brings us closer to the election. Once again, as show in 2004 and 2000, the Democrats are simply arrogant ignorant morons. The more they speak, the better for their opponents.
Now you've done it Behar!
March 3, 2008 - 18:32 ET by RickTaLifeNow you've done it Behar! Ok folks, the comitee to horsewhip Joy Behar is now forming. I am making Hasselbeck an honorary member. All those wishing to join please let us know at horsewhipjoybehar2008[AT]yahoo.com. :D
BEHAR: But she’s saying
March 3, 2008 - 19:28 ET by DaBirdBEHAR: But she’s saying that, that doesn’t per se make it a qualification to be president. That’s all she’s saying.
Well Joy, that sure wasn't the democrats mantra in the 2004 presidential election. If I remember correctly it was you democrats trumpeting your hero John Kerry's war-time activities all the while claiming Bush wasn't qualified because he "didn't serve". Which of course he did.
DB
March 3, 2008 - 19:33 ET by well99That is different.She liked Kerry.Behar has two standards.
Ha! I'd actually like to
March 3, 2008 - 22:20 ET by RickTaLifeHa! I'd actually like to see Behar's reaction to this post...wonder how she would get out of that one? Maybe she'd field it over to whoopy.
Swiftboating again?
March 3, 2008 - 20:25 ET by WingletDriverLibs won't ever admit what the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth were pointing out: John Kerry stabbed the military in the back upon his return to the US.
To the likes of dimwits like Joy Behar, this was a Karl Rove dirty Republican lie despite the fact that the group was non-affiliated, headed by an independent and was vindicated of all charges by the FEC. Furthermore, Kerry still has refused to release his service records and has yet to collect on his bet with T. Boone Pickens about proving false any of the charges that were made against him ($1 million to show that the Swifties made one false charge and Kerry can't do it in 4 years time).
Hasselbeck immediately caved on the Swiftboating by saying it was a distraction. Sorry Liz. It was a group of citizens (who have given more to this country than any member of the View) exercising their First Amendment right. Rather than back down, she should have pointed out that Kerry, like Steinem, was the one denigrating military service, not the Swifties.