Despite what the news media keep saying, capitalism and deregulation were not the causes of the financial meltdown.
Instead, BB&T CEO John Allison pointed the finger at government creations like the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two government-sponsored enterprises that failed last year. Allison was giving a lecture in Washington, D.C. Jan. 29 for the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights.
Allison cited a "religious belief in affordable housing" that led the government to institute the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 (CRA) and later, during the Clinton years, to a huge expansion of Fannie and Freddie.
"In my opinion, I'm certain without Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae we could not have had the magnitude of misinvestment - we'd a had misinvestment but nothing like what we've had today," Allison said.
Allison also targeted so-called Fair Value Accounting (FVA) rules, which require that assets be marked-to-market (listed in a balance sheet at whatever value they could be sold for). That creates problems when no one is willing to buy that asset. He said FVA rules were a "major cause" of the liquidity crisis because they violate the basic laws of supply and demand, and assume that assets must be sold.
"If we had had Fair Value Accounting in 1990 the U.S. financial system would have collapsed," Allison said before pointing out that banks have to follow a government accounting system run by the SEC rather than a private accounting system.
Allison took the media to task for seeking negative news and not exposing the government's role in the crisis. "I think the news media unfortunately has been quite willing to jump on the criticism of capitalism and not the [government]," Allison said.
The media has said very little about the FDIC, and it has a poor understanding of FVA, according to Allison. "How much of that is political bias and how much is ignorance? I don't have an answer for that ... What I find the most bias from the news media is they love to have bad news."
In Allison's opinion, the media's search for bad news "helped make it worse."
The Business & Media Institute has tracked the media's economic pessimism for years finding that even when the economy was strong, the media predicted a coming recession. In 2008, the news media leaped from talking about recession to making hundreds of comparisons to the Great Depression.
—Julia A. Seymour is an assistant editor for the Business & Media Institute.





















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Fri, 01/30/2009 - 15:07 ET by slickwillie2001This needs to be said, and said again and again until it sinks in. We are in what I call the 'Barney Frank Recession'. Yes it is true that different regulations might have averted the final disaster, but that confuses cause with possible after-the-fact remedies. The US government (and scurrilous rabble rousers like ACORN) put a gun to the head of the banks and said 'make bad loans'. President Bush and others called the alarm many times, but were laughed off by Barney and his pals, and the liberal media showed no interest in the problem.
This is one reason that we have to accept bank bailouts, because Congress forced the creation of those toxic assets that are going to cause a worldwide recession. If only they would take responsibility for what they have done.
Hold on one second...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 15:43 ET by danebramageIt's quite true that the problem was caused by governmental interference in the marketplace, but you're letting Bush off far too easily. He was wholesale in favor of home ownership, seeing it as the key, or at the least one vital key, to ultimate prosperity. Hence, he supported the basic idea that loans should be made available to the poor (i.e. people who, in a free market, would never qualify for such loans), and enacted, or retained from the Clinton administration, policies that encouraged that.
As with all liberal "solutions," GW's heart was in the right place, but his brain was on vacation. Governance is about the common good, not just about the poor. In trying to raise the tide, he ended up draining the ocean and stranding all the boats.
Braindamage:
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:11 ET by nofateWhat version of BDS revisionist history have you gotten your talking points from? Bush et al had at least two attempts to rein in the excesses of the CRA/Fannie/Freddie/Frank/Dobbs/Franklin Rainmaker driven debacle in the making that was apparent to everyone with a brain. What is tragic is that the dumbocrats, using their majority status to silence the reformers, aided and abetted the criminal activity of those running that dog and pony show. The people in the dock and headed for prison ought to be Barney Frank, Chis Dodd and Frankin Rains, but nooooooo! They are being allowed to skate and continue to deflect guilt onto those that opposed them.
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Bush helped cause the housing problem
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:32 ET by PopularTechdrainbramage is right, Bush's compasionate conservatism helped cause the problem.
Bush 'No Money Down' - Tax Payers Will Pay (Video) (6min)
Bush touts affordable housing (USA Today, April 18, 2000)
Mortgage giants get Bush support (USA Today, July 16, 2002)
Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership (USA Today, January 20, 2004)
Bush ties his economic policies to home ownership (USA Today, March 26, 2004)
Owning tops Bush housing agenda (USA Today, November 19, 2004)
Budget offers new mortgage options (USA Today, February 6, 2006)
American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003 (HR 1276)
American Dream Downpayment Act: Fiscally Irresponsible and Redundant to Existing Homeownership Programs (Ronald D. Utt, Ph.D. Economics)
Zero Down Payment Act of 2004 (H.R. 3755)
Congress's Risky Zero Down Payment Plan Will Undermine FHA's Soundness and Discourage Self-Reliance (Ronald D. Utt, Ph.D. Economics)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
BDS Revisionist History
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 23:36 ET by nofatePT, I'm afraid you must be drinking the Kool-Aide provided by the libs. Other than the AGW scam, you seem to often be more like a stealth lib pretending to be a curmudgeon conservative or libertarian. I don't know where you get this '04-'06 time frame stuff later in this thread, but the truth is that the seeds for the sub-prime mortgage crisis were sown by Carter with the passage of CRA. Clinton then upped the ante, with the help of Obama, by forcing banks to use poor lending practices to increase minority homeownership with federal guarantees and threats of fines and more. (bolds are mine)
Acorn's Seed Money: The group that pushed banks into the risky loans that brought the economy down is now eligible for a huge chunk of stimulus cash. The stimulus plan does create jobs — for community activists.
Revision Run Amok: Media Bias: The paper of record blames the "mortgage bonfire" on President Bush and his "laissez-faire" housing policies. But to get there, the Times completely ignored history prior to 2002.
..."no Clinton housing crusader was interviewed for the Times' one-sided story. The paper's reporters didn't even bother to search their own archives. Had they done so, they would have found a Sept. 20, 1999, article by Steven A. Holmes that reported:
"Fannie Mae has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people."
It quoted former Clinton Budget Director Franklin Raines, who Clinton installed at the helm of Fannie. Raines said he had relaxed credit standards to meet the Clinton administration's goal of 50% loans to low-income minority borrowers.
Further on in the story, a highly regarded scholar warned that Fannie was taking on too much risk and could fail if the housing market ran into trouble.
"If they fail," warned American Enterprise Institute fellow Peter Wallison, "the government will have to step up and bail them out."
His warning was not unique. There were many like it back then. Even Clinton's own Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers in 1999 and 2000 warned of the dangers subprime lending posed, well before Bush was in office.
Yet Bush gets all the blame for ignoring warnings.
It's plain the New York Times is trying to litigate its case — without full discovery or a fair trial — on behalf of its client, the president-elect, who derided the Republican "Ownership Society" during the campaign.
Small wonder that Americans have lost faith in the media establishment."
The Subprime Lending Bias: Media: If, as they say, it's journalists who write history's first draft, then future texts will be riddled with errors about the origins of the subprime disaster, teaching future leaders the wrong lessons.
"Take, for instance, a recent front-page article in the Washington Post, under the headline, "How HUD Mortgage Policy Fed the Crisis." The piece correctly fingers HUD for helping fuel risky lending at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But the newspaper starts its analysis in 2004 (in fact, the first sentence begins, "In 2004 . . . "), making it seem as if the Bush administration crafted "affordable housing" policy and created the subprime market.
The Post knows better. The Bush HUD merely continued a politically correct policy launched by the Clinton administration. For the first time, President Clinton ordered HUD to set quotas for Fannie and Freddie to buy huge portions of Community Reinvestment Act loans and other low-income mortgages made to borrowers with poor credit. The Post failed to mention this key fact.
By 2000, fully half of the mortgage giants' portfolios consisted of these risky loans, most of them subprime mortgages. In effect, the Clinton HUD set a time bomb that would explode years later with the collapse of home prices, which happened to occur on Bush's watch.
At the same time, HUD pressured the federally subsidized giants to lower their loan-to-value ratios and other underwriting requirements to accommodate minority borrowers. HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo even admitted that the administration was mandating a policy of "affirmative action" lending (his words, not ours).
And it was Clinton who initially spread the subprime rot to Wall Street. To help Fannie and Freddie reach their "affirmative action" lending quotas, HUD in 1995 let them get affordable-housing credit for buying subprime securities that included loans to low-income borrowers.
Less than two years later, Freddie partnered with Wall Street investment banker Bear Stearns to issue the first securitizations of low-income CRA loans.
There's even a press release still available on the Web that memorializes the historic deal, which dumped hundreds of millions of dollars in the risky loans on the market — a down payment on the hundreds of billions that were to follow.
The Post left all of that out of its story, even though the deal marked the beginning of the boom in subprime securities.
..."The administration's blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic of its governing philosophy, which trusted market forces and discounted the value of government intervention in the economy," wrote AP Washington correspondent Matt Apuzzo.
Reality check: "Government intervention" is what planted the seed to this whole crisis. As we've noted, Clinton in 1995 revised CRA regulations to pressure banks into adopting "flexible" lending standards to increase minority homeownership.
...Make no mistake: It was Clinton who forced banks — most importantly, Fannie and Freddie — to go into the subprime market to serve the targeted populations that HUD and other Clinton banking regulators wanted them to serve.
In effect, the media are blaming Bush for Clinton policies. Whoever controls the debate in Washington controls the truth. Right now, it's Democrats and their press courtiers. And so far, they've managed to shade the truth about the root causes of this epochal financial crisis."
CRA Defenses Sound More Like CYA: Mortgage Meltdown: Democrats first circled the wagons around the Community Reinvestment Act, aided by their friends in the media. Now regulators have joined them. It's called CYA.
..."In a more aggressive pursuit of "social justice," the Clinton administration revised the CRA in April 1995 to mandate that banks pass lending tests in "underserved" communities and suffer tough new sanctions for failing to make enough loans there.
According to the language of the new Clinton regs, banks that used "innovative or flexible lending practices" to address the credit needs of low-income borrowers passed the test. Banks with poor CRA ratings were hit with stiff fines and blocked from expanding their operations. Soon, "flexible" lending became the norm, and banks used subprime loans, which charge higher interest rates, to cover the added risk.
But it wasn't enough. So Clinton ordered HUD to pressure Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy the higher-risk loans from private banks and lenders, while adopting the same "flexible" credit standards. By 2000, HUD had mandated that low-income mortgages — including CRA-related loans — make up half of their portfolios.
To further spread the risk, Clinton legalized the securitization of such mortgages. In 1997, Bear Sterns securitized the first CRA loans — $385 million worth, all guaranteed by Freddie Mac. Thus began the massive bundling of subprime mortgages that wound up poisoning the entire industry.
The cause and effect is clear. As ex-Fed chief Alan Greenspan recently testified: "It's instructive to go back to the early stages of the subprime market, which has essentially emerged out of the CRA."
It strains credulity for top regulators to now say the CRA had "absolutely nothing" to do with the subprime crisis. It smacks of political spin and bureaucratic CYA."
Don't Blame Bush For Subprime Mess: Housing Crisis: A new report from the Associated Press claims that the mortgage meltdown is due largely to President Bush's failure to act in 2005. Sounds plausible — until you actually look at the facts.
..."Here at IBD, we've done more than a dozen pieces — most recently, in yesterday's paper — detailing how rewrites of the Community Reinvestment Act in 1995 under President Clinton, along with major regulatory changes pushed by the White House in the late 1990s, created the boom in subprime lending, the surge in exotic and highly risky mortgage-backed securities, and the housing boom whose government-fed excesses led to inevitable collapse.
Despite this clear record, we're now besieged by enterprising journalists blaming Republican "deregulation" or the president's failure to recognize the seriousness of the problem or act. But these claims fall apart, as a partial history of the last decade shows.
Bush's first budget, written in 2001 — seven years ago — called runaway subprime lending by the government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "a potential problem" and warned of "strong repercussions in financial markets."
In 2003, Bush's Treasury secretary, John Snow, proposed what the New York Times called "the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago." Did Democrats in Congress welcome it? Hardly.
"I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis," declared Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., in a response typical of those who viewed Fannie and Freddie as a party patronage machine that the GOP was trying to dismantle. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," added Sen. Thomas Carper, D-Del.
...In 2005, Fed chief Alan Greenspan sounded the most serious warning of all: "We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk" by doing nothing, he said. When a bill later that year emerged from the Senate Banking Committee, it looked like something might finally be done.
Unfortunately, as economist Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise Institute has noted, "the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter."
Had they done so, it's likely the mortgage meltdown wouldn't have occurred, or would have been of far less intensity. President Bush and the Republican Congress might be blamed for many things, but this isn't one of them. It was a Democratic debacle, from start to finish."
Barney Frank's Bankrupt Ideas: Financial Rescue: Democrats created the mortgage crisis by forcing banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them. Now Obama and Biden want bankruptcy judges to bail out the same deadbeat homeowners. And once again, Barney Frank is helping.
..."On Sept. 11, 2003, the Bush administration proposed to Congress a new agency under the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie and Freddie. The new agency would have had the authority to set capital-reserve requirements, veto new lines of business and determine whether the two quasi-government lenders were adequately managing the risk of their ballooning portfolios.
When former Treasury Secretary John Snow pleaded for Frank to support Fannie and Freddie reform, Frank responded: "These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."
ACORN's Senator: Election '08: Barack Obama wasn't just the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac political contributions. He was also the senator from ACORN, the activist leader for risky "affirmative action" loans.
..."The CRA empowered regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority and distressed neighborhoods." It gave groups such as ACORN a license and a means to intimidate banks, claiming they were "redlining" poor and minority neighborhoods. ACORN employed its tactics in 1991 by taking over the House Banking Committee room for two days to protest efforts to scale back the CRA.
As a former White House staff economist writes in the American Thinker, Obama represented ACORN in a 1994 suit against redlining. ACORN was also a driving force behind a 1995 regulatory revision pushed through by the Clinton administration that greatly expanded the CRA and helped spawn the current financial crisis.
Obama was the attorney representing ACORN in this effort. Last November, he told the group, "I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career."
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Wasted Effort
Sat, 01/31/2009 - 00:17 ET by PopularTechA stealth Libertarian? Really Libertarians support Bush's fiscal policy? You are confused. Carter had nothing to do with it. Clinton little. Yes the CRA contributed to 6% of the problem but the bulk was simply due to cheap ARM mortgages made possible by the low fed rates due to Alan Greenspan. Bush pushed low income housing far beyond what Clinton did and did much more then simply continue it.
None of that changed the facts about the CRA:
Comptroller Dugan Says CRA Not Responsible for Subprime Lending Abuses (Reuters)
Fed’s Kroszner: Don’t Blame CRA (The Wall Street Journal)
- Only 6% of subprime loans were extended by CRA-covered lenders
Don’t Blame CRA (The Sequel) (The Wall Street Journal)
Sheila Bair: Stop Blaming the Community Reinvestment Act (U.S. News and World Report)
"Let me ask you, where in the CRA does it say to make loans to people who can’t afford to repay? Nowhere." - FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair
Or the facts of when the subprime mortgage crisis happened:
Greenspan says ARMs might be better deal (USA Today, February 23, 2004)
More home buyers go with adjustable-rate mortgages (USA Today, March 30, 2005)
Scary days could be ahead for adjustable-rate mortgages (USA Today, April 4, 2005)
Some homeowners struggle to keep up with adjustable rates (USA Today, April 4, 2005)
More fall behind on mortgages (USA Today, April 3, 2006)
More homes are going, going, gone (USA Today, December 14, 2006)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Correction: Not Stealth
Sat, 01/31/2009 - 01:32 ET by nofateI have been running across a lot of your comments this evening and I must admit, you have made it abundantly clear that you are libertarian. That being said, I really don't understand some of your vehemence toward certain issues. Your ability to dissect the AGW scam was how I became aware of you, but when you went after Palin like the rest of the MSM, it was disconcerting. Since then it has been Glenn Beck, men crying, and now Bush being responsible for the subprime lending crisis.
You denigrate those who disagree with your opinion. You offer references that are known for being liberal (USA Today, WaPo). Or Op-Eds that were part of an Obama team media blitz. I, and others here, do not agree with you at all and can offer quite a few refuting articles. Here's one:
I already put up several others. But what's the point? You use a tactic of calling anyone that disagrees with you "delusional". "Carter had nothing to do with it. Clinton little." Really. I suppose IBD is delusional also. But not the WSJ for offering editorial space to shills for the Obama team for the continuation of the CRA? The WSJ has a long history of offering space to the liberal point of view. So that makes it right???
I'm going to have to think long and hard about your motivations here, PT. Later.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Conservative Libertarian
Sat, 01/31/2009 - 02:03 ET by PopularTechSince I am right leaning on drug laws and immigration. I never went after Palin like the MSM, your confusion with my original claim, which has never changed - that she is not qualified has nothing to do with the relentless and sometimes silly personal attacks the MSM launched such as her baby Trig not being hers or how much her wardrobe cost. I also have next to no problem with Glen Beck outside of his crying, I actually like him a lot but I don't want to see him sobbing on TV. I clearly stated Alan Greenspan is responsible, Bush contributed.
Did the Fed Cause the Housing Bubble? (Robert P. Murphy, Ph.D. Economics)
Evidence that the Fed Caused the Housing Boom (Robert P. Murphy, Ph.D. Economics)
The Housing Bubble in 4 Easy Steps (Mark Thornton, Ph.D. Economics)
Guilty as Charged (George A. Selgin, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Yes, Greenspan Did It (Stefan Karlsson, Economist)
USA Today is fairly neutral which is why I use them for news reports. The links I posted are stating facts not opinions. Nothing was from the Washington Post and none were Op-Eds which is what you just posted.
CRA: The article fails to understand monetary policy, the CRA didn't trigger anything, it was the Federal Reserve rate cut to between 2-1% (effectively negative) from 2002-2004 that made ARMs take off. The raising of the rate between 2004-2006 caused the ARMs to reset and people defaulted, unable to make the new higher payments. Your Op-Ed provides no data to back up it's claims.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
For the Record
Sat, 01/31/2009 - 15:31 ET by nofate"I never went after Palin like the MSM, your confusion with my original claim, which has never changed - that she is not qualified has nothing to do with the relentless and sometimes silly personal attacks the MSM launched such as her baby Trig not being hers or how much her wardrobe cost." -Granted. I still don't agree with you that she is not qualified, look what we have now. I think character has more to do with it than "qualification", however that might be defined. And I think she had and has character in spades. There was no leaning to the left in order to make a tack back to the right later. She would have done fine in a VP role, now we have Biden. In terms of experience, a much more "qualified" candidate, yes???
"I also have next to no problem with Glen Beck outside of his crying, I actually like him a lot but I don't want to see him sobbing on TV." -I guess that's a personal thing. I know that when my firstborn ended up in an NICU, I very unexpectedly found myself literally blubbering and couldn't shut it off for a while no matter how hard I didn't want to be crying. I think that may be what happened to Beck- it was just there due to the very emotional connection special needs parrents feel with Sarah. Now if someone, man or woman is using tears to curry favor- as in the famous Clinton video where he went from laughing to crying in a single step once he knew the cameras were on him- or Oprah's well known use of tears nearly every show- well, that is just reprehensible.
I have re-read danebramage's and your original comments and upon reflection must admit that mine was a knee-jerk reaction to what appeared to be more blaming Bush for the whole mess. db- "GW's heart was in the right place, but his brain was on vacation"- PT- "Bush's compasionate conservatism helped cause the problem"- Bush does have unfortunate "progressive" tendencies toward solving problems, ala T. Roosevelt and H. Hoover. I just get sick of Bush being used as the butt-boy for everything the libs find wrong with this country for the last eight years when they did nothing to solve those same problems when they had the chance.
"I clearly stated Alan Greenspan is responsible, Bush contributed."- You did. But I disagree that Greenspan "is responsible". My grasp of economics is not great, but I lean toward minimal governmental intrusion, as it seems that every time the government sticks it's hand in, things get mucked up and freedom is taken away. Cycles are going to happen and the less governmental intrusion, the quicker they will work themselves out. As your links to the Ludwig von Mises Institute show, Greenspan's policies definitely had a hand in bursting the bubble. Anyone with a brain, no matter what political persuasion, could see that housing prices were not going to keep rising so rapidly forever and that the most likely conclusion was a bursting bubble scenario due to the extended nature of the rise (great graphic here). But I'm not convinced that Greenspan was the main problem. I think he combined with Bush's progressivism and a large dose of policies that were laid down in the Carter/Clinton years- and you seem to be discarding the Carter/Clinton administration contributions.
I am still working my way through Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson", and have to think about what I am reading as some of it is above my head. So I am not an economics specialist at all. But, it seems to me that the CRA had to have something to do with the whole bubble as it gave an implicit go-ahead to lenders that, along with low rates, lending was being encouraged. And there is the "forcing" by the feds to make lenders make loans that were not covered by any appreciable equity, along with Fed backing. I tend to believe the editors at IBD more than some of the other sources you cited. I guess I need more info about the extent of the influence of the CRA to make a more informed decision, and a lot of the information we are getting is politically slanted to an agenda, and it is often hard to detect the agenda if one is not familiar with all the information involved. It is a catch-22 situation for those of us trying to make an informed assessment of the whole mess. As a conservative, I tend to lean more heavily to the Carter/Clinton/CRA/Raines/Frank/Dodd side of the equation being the main cause. I have not seen enough evidence to make me think they are not complicit in the planning and execution of the bubble.
"none were Op-Eds which is what you just posted"- I don't agree with the first part of that statement. Mine were Op-Eds, but I believe those WSJ links were also Op-Eds. Kroszner, who is quoted extensively in one of your links "is on the board of an affordable-housing advocacy group in Washington" according to one of mine. So who is right? I think the libs would love for the whole CRA mess and their role in it to go away. I think what has me upset is that you seem to be giving cover to the Obama team to cover up their role in all this and help them lay it off on Bush/Greenspan. And we've learned that the "stimulus" pork bill contains a provision to give ACORN type groups 4.19 billion!
"The article fails to understand monetary policy, the CRA didn't trigger anything, it was the Federal Reserve rate cut to between 2-1% (effectively negative) from 2002-2004 that made ARMs take off. The raising of the rate between 2004-2006 caused the ARMs to reset and people defaulted, unable to make the new higher payments. Your Op-Ed provides no data to back up it's claims."- Fed actions may have been the trigger, but the collapse would not have been as extensive nor as severe if previous policies, including the CRA, put in motion by Clinton, had not been there. I again go back to one of my original Op-Eds:
The raising of rates between '04 and '06 just pulled the plug out from under a housing market that had been circling the drain. The die was cast years earlier.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Thank you nofate, for posting this..
Sat, 01/31/2009 - 14:15 ET by upcountrywaterCRA's is the reason we are in this mess. Do you think these facts will ever see the light of day?
Tweeking the banking industry that has been in place for 600 years..
Wars have been started over less issues as this, world class FU
bye bye FREEDOM
(D)
Here we go again, no the CRA is not the reason for the mess
Sat, 01/31/2009 - 20:37 ET by PopularTechThe CRA was dragged out so Republicans could make this a partisan issue. The CRA has been around for 30 years and the changes made since then did not cause the problem.
Comptroller Dugan Says CRA Not Responsible for Subprime Lending Abuses (Reuters)
Fed’s Kroszner: Don’t Blame CRA (The Wall Street Journal)
- Only 6% of subprime loans were extended by CRA-covered lenders
Don’t Blame CRA (The Sequel) (The Wall Street Journal)
Sheila Bair: Stop Blaming the Community Reinvestment Act (U.S. News and World Report)
"Let me ask you, where in the CRA does it say to make loans to people who can’t afford to repay? Nowhere." - FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair
Yes the CRA should be repealed but this has nothing to do with it being the cause of the subprime mortgage crisis.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Yes, to the Barney Frank Recession
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:23 ET by 10ksnookerAnd it was caused by giving loans to people who could not afford to repay them under the guise that house prices will always go straight up, won't they? So what's the risk.
Redlining was the mythical beast that had to be slain.
It is an Alan Greenspan Recession
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:33 ET by PopularTechYes, Greenspan Did It (Stefan Karlsson, Economist)
Barney Frank did not cause the problem, since the subprime mortgage problem happened with the GOP in control of congress.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
And yet, we have the CEO
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:00 ET by ckc1227And yet, we have the CEO of one of the few banks that is coping with this crisis relatively well claiming otherwise. No offense, but I'll take his expertise over yours.
By the way, haven't the democrats been in control of congress since the end of 2006, which is when the subprime problem really picked up steam? According to your logic, that would put the blame squarely on the democrats....Barney Frank included.
The Subprime mortgage crisis happened between 2004-2006
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 20:32 ET by PopularTechThis was before the Democrats were in control of congress.
Greenspan says ARMs might be better deal (USA Today, February 23, 2004)
More home buyers go with adjustable-rate mortgages (USA Today, March 30, 2005)
Scary days could be ahead for adjustable-rate mortgages (USA Today, April 4, 2005)
Some homeowners struggle to keep up with adjustable rates (USA Today, April 4, 2005)
More fall behind on mortgages (USA Today, April 3, 2006)
More homes are going, going, gone (USA Today, December 14, 2006)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Partly true, Greenspan was complicite
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:40 ET by 10ksnookerBut the seeds were all planted by Frank and the Democrats. CRA was the roots and Clinton goosing it up in 1995 and 1999 set it off.
After 9/11 panic set in and Greenspan dropped housing interest rates, along with the rest, to levels which were too low, and kept them there too long.
Bush joined in, using housing, and the laws already in place to encourage buying and building.
The effects were disaster. If Greenspan had raised rates, it would have come to a halt.
If Barney Frank and the Democrats had corrected the problem with Freddie and Fannie it may have prevented total disaster.
So the seeds, why did it happen were known ...
In Congressional debate on the CRA in 1977, critics charged that
the law would "distort credit markets, create unnecessary regulatory
burden, lead to unsound lending, and cause the governmental agencies
charged with implementing the law to allocate credit." Yes, and that is
exactly what has happened and what caused the ultimate financial
collapse.
So Congress knew from the beginning what was the risk.
In 1999 -- Howard Husock, director of Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, said about the Clinton amendments: "It was no longer
acceptable to prove you were looking for the smaller number of good
loan candidates in a larger pool of bad candidates. CRA compliance
would only be granted if you actually found someone to loan to."
The last Clinton executive orders did not kick in until Oct 2000.
Then came this ... When the 1999 Clinton rule credit rule changes kicked in 2000 before Bush: October 31, 2000 - HUD ANNOUNCES NEW REGULATIONS TO PROVIDE $2.4 TRILLION IN MORTGAGES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR 28.1 MILLION FAMILIES
The CRA did not cause the Subprime Mortgage Crisis
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:41 ET by PopularTechThe facts don't support you position:
Comptroller Dugan Says CRA Not Responsible for Subprime Lending Abuses (Reuters)
Fed’s Kroszner: Don’t Blame CRA (The Wall Street Journal)
- Only 6% of subprime loans were extended by CRA-covered lenders
Don’t Blame CRA (The Sequel) (The Wall Street Journal)
Sheila Bair: Stop Blaming the Community Reinvestment Act (U.S. News and World Report)
"Let me ask you, where in the CRA does it say to make loans to people who can’t afford to repay? Nowhere." - FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Well
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:44 ET by 10ksnookerRespectfully, your facts are wrong or just outright attempts to decieved people.
LMAO! This is classic
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:48 ET by PopularTechYes my fully sourced facts from the wall street journal are wrong, unlike your imaginary ones.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Obviously you
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 20:09 ET by 10ksnookerBelieve your fully researched facts from the DNC parrot news media. And so what does your reasearch say about the press release from HUD --- Yeah, I thought so.
Did you read the 1999 Clinton EOs, no. Why not? Did you read the Amendment changes that Clinton proposed in 1994, and were enacted in 1995. No? Yeah that's what I thought.
But if the news media is your source, well there isn't much hope for that. BS in, BS out ROFLMAO ...
As I said, start your research at HUD's site, and then trundle on over to the the Clinton archives.While you are at it, read the debate on the CRA and the act itself, it's all there for Obama voters to see.
But truth really isn't what Obama voters want, is it.
The Wall Street Journal is the DNC parrot news media? LMAO!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 20:31 ET by PopularTechYou are really delusional.
Did the subprime mortgage crisis happen in 1994, 1995, 1999? Nope. It happened between 2004-2006 with the GOP in control of congress. How many of the subprime mortgages were given by the CRA? 6%. That means 94% of subprime mortgages were NOT CRA based. Learn how to do math.
You are so brainwashed to knee-jerk blame Democrats for everything it impairs you ability to actually look at the facts. The facts are the CRA did not cause the subprime mortgage crisis. Stop being used like a fool.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
the truth hurts
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 15:13 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionand that's why i haven't see this anywhere but nb!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
The sad thing is...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 15:20 ET by Prester John...is that this whole idea of "affordable" housing for all destroyed the dreams of so many people. Here in the DC area prices were going up so quickly many, many people, especially young couples, were panicing because they were afraid that with prices increasing so quickly, they'd never be able to buy a home of their own.
So what did they do? They bought houses with nothing down using option ARMs they did not understand and could barely afford.
Now these same people who bought in a panic are losing their homes and are ruined for years to come while the bubble that Frank Raines, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd helped create is taking down the rest of us.
But that's OK, Raines has his millions and Frank and Dodd still have their seats in Congress.
I agree with Mr Allison
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 15:27 ET by ConservativeRexI agree with Mr Allison 100%. He sees what's happening because he has his eyes wide open.
Now, here's where the liberals use Saul Allinsky's rule 13, the same rule they tried to apply to Rush. Marginilize, polarize and so on.
But as like Rush, it will not work. Truth wills out every single time. Allison has layed this in the lap of those who caused this mess. Let's see what happens.
Consensus opinion on what caused the econ crisis
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 15:28 ET by Gary HallFrom the left:
From the right:
Now that is consensus opinion.
Factiod moment:
Oct. 31, 2000 (my my, look at what they left behind):
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Why did liberals do this to people?
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 15:50 ET by slickwillie2001And furthermore, this whole scam was based on the premise that it benefitted 'poor people'.
If you take someone out of an apartment and put them into a home that a banker is forced to tell them they can afford, when in fact they can't, they will lose that home. Their credit rating will be destroyed for many years. The cost of moves, furniture, etc, will put them deeper in the hole than if they had simply stayed in a rental property. This is NOT a kind or considerate thing to do to a family. Why do the liberals think it is?
Easy
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:07 ET by choselife3xThey need a permanent underclass to keep voting them into power in exchange for handouts.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Right you are
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:55 ET by 10ksnookerIt's the government rescue plan the Democrats really want, so the government dependency can be expanded.
Thats right 10ks, Force the banks to do CRA'S too.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:19 ET by upcountrywaterChange 600 years of banking practice to get even more money...It's a brillant plan, if it fails blame it on the greedy banking system.
The banking queen needs to be handed over to China when we default on the 3-4 TRILLION they "loaned" us.
FREEDOM
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Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:08 ET by nofatedelete
I'm still waiting for an
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:56 ET by rbosqueI'm still waiting for an investigation of those 'rats.
But like usual, holding 'rats accountable is next to impossible.
While Allison is correct,
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:10 ET by jdhawkWhile Allison is correct, this will be covered by the drive-by news media exactly ZERO times. Allison will be ignored and if that doesn't work, he will be ridiculed and then, finally branded a nut case.
The Executive Branch and the Congress "see" things differently and the drive-by media will not brook any other interpretation of what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen.
Don't believe me? Look at what passes for the history of the Vietnam War. What young poeple now know of it, while I lived it, is the movie Platoon. This is a movie that depicts soldiers as too stupid to avoid fighting for their country. And after having found themselves in Vietnam, if they weren't already, they turn themselves into half-crazed, dope smoking, murdering psycopaths.
Do you think that the history of this present fiasco will get treatment any less ridiculous and false? Is hasn't so far.
While having said the above, the financial institutions have to take some blame in this crisis. After all, it was these institutuions that increased their leverage, with SEC approval, to 40 times capital. To give you an idea how dangerous this was, this is beyond the leverage of any presently traded commodity on the futures exchanges.
Once the Federal Reserve began raising interest rates to slow the possibility of inflation and to prevent the economy from over heating, home loan costs began soaring to those that were already having trouble paying their home loans to begin and they began walking away from them. Then, the Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) that were the vehicle the banks were using to leverage themselves began to stink in value until nobody would touch them. What followed, you have witnessed first hand.
BB&T CEO John Allison
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:31 ET by RR GOPBB&T CEO John Allison Blames 'Religious Belief' in Affordable Housing for Financial Crisis
BINGO! Everything I've managed to come up in researching this mess goes back to the CRE and Freddie and Fannie. Even books like Griffin's The Creature From Jekyll Island written way back in 1994 talks about this and the problems in maintaining such a scheme.
How about quit 'regulating' business and monkeying with free enterprise so that more people will have jobs, with more pay and thus be able to buy homes without Washington's help?
Fannie is an FDR New Deal gift that just keeps on giving...
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.