New York Times Minimizes Bomb's Role in Ending WWII

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The New York Times minimizes the role of the atomic bomb - and thus the heroism of Gen. Paul Tibbets - in his obituary today.

Brig. Gen. Paul W. Tibbets Jr., the commander and pilot of the Enola Gay, the B-29 Superfortress that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima in the final days of World War II, died yesterday at his home in Columbus, Ohio. He was 92....

The crews who flew the atomic strikes were seen by Americans as saviors who had averted the huge casualties that were expected to result from an invasion of Japan. But questions were eventually raised concerning the morality of atomic warfare and the need for the Truman administration to drop the bomb in order to secure Japan’s surrender.

TheTimes says, "...in the final days of Work War II," as though one had nothing to do with the other. The reason they were the final days of the war is because Tibbets flew that plane.

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In fact, serious historians don't question the role of the bomb in ending the war at that point. Even after the two bombs dropped, the Japanese cabinet deadlocked on surrender, only agreeing after the Emperor himself intervened to end the bloodshed. And even then, the surrender was broadcast only after the derailing of a plot to steal the recording.

As for the statement that Tibbets wanted to be cremated in order to deprive his critics of a site to protest, the reality appears a little more, nuanced, than that. This, from Bob Greene's 2000 book, Duty:

"I wouldn't want to be a burden on anybody, and I don't intend to."

...

"I want to be cremated as fast as the law allows it," he said. "No services. No announcement."

"What do you mean, no announcement?" I said.

"I don't want anyone telling people that I'm dead," he said. "I don't want my friends fretting over me. Memorial services are to pacify the survivors. I don't need to pacify anyone. They can think nice things about be if they want. They don't need a guy in a cloak standing there."

"You've got to have a funeral service," I said.

"No, I don't," he said. "I've listened to too many of them. They're upsetting to me. The weeping wailing attitude."

"People cry at funerals for a reason," I said. "They cry because they're going to miss the person who has died."

"Not for me," he said. "I won't have one."

...

"I've had enough notice during my lifetime as it is," he said. "I've had enough hoorah,and enough of the opposite....

"Cremate me and take my ashes out over the North Atlantic before anyone finds out that I'm gone. Dump the ashes into the ocean. ...that's where I've had some of the most peaceful moments ofmy life, flying a plane alone, over the North Atlantic. That's where I want to finish up. With no one knowing."

I'm sure the family knew his reasons, and it certainly looks as though the desire to avoid stupid protests is one of them. But it also looks as though only quoting that as the reason over-simplifies, and again, focuses on the controversy at the expense of the heroism.


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Then and Now

An archives search is in order as to The New York Times take on dropping the A-Bomb, then and now.

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pbthinker

Great work. Thanks. And there was no talk about the war "winding down", or being in the "final days". Only reports like this:

"Secretary Stimson said that this new weapon "should prove a tremendous
aid in the shortening of the war against Japan," and there were other
responsible officials who privately thought that this was an extreme
understatement, and that Japan might find herself unable to stay in the
war under the coming rain of atom bombs
."

The dropping of the A-Bomb(s) no doubt expedited the end of the war, a war that up until then was far from being in the 'final days'.

Thanks again.

 

 

What they weren't saying.

 What we weren't saying, and what not many people knew, was there couldn't be a rain of atomic bombs since we only had 2.  I'm sure we could have produced more but most people didn't know how many we had. 

War planners had a lot of problems with invading Japan and, to some extent, found their knowledge of the amount of weapons and the state of their military, to have been wrong. 

Most of us can be thankful we never had to find out.

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Great Links, PB

Thanks.  Interesting to read the actual news as it was reported at the time. 

This quote from President Truman makes me think he was quite the poker player:

"It was to spare the Japanese people from utter destruction that the ultimatum of July 26, was issued at Potsdam. Their leaders promptly rejected that ultimatum. If they do not now accept our terms, they may expect a rain of ruin from the air the like of which has never been seen on this earth."

 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I looked for this story on

I looked for this story on FoxNews.com. The breaking news story was "Television and Film Writers to Hold First Strike in Nearly 20 Years." The story of Tibbets' passing was buried in the list of world headlines, right below "McCanns Blast Magazine for 'Hurtful' Madeleine Article."

Ho-hum, so much for another American hero.

Just one of the brave men

Just one of the brave men that “saved” countless lives. This
great man as well as his crew saved hundreds of thousand possibility millions
of lives by bringing the war to an end rather than taking the island inch my
inch. At the same time saving civilian casualties that were willing to fight
with sticks and rocks. Millions of US G.I.’s were saved via this brave act.

I guess its such a sign of the times that Stalin who  killed 20 million has a grand monument
in his death but the man who saved millions can not have even a marker. 

God bless you, Brig. Gen. Paul W. Tibbets Jr. you  will be in our prayers. 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

Requiem


Requiem

Under the wide and starry sky

Dig the grave, and let me lie

Glad did I live and gladly die,

And I laid me down with a will.

 

This be the verse you 'grave for me:

Here he lies where he long'd to be;

Home is the sailor, home from the sea,

And the hunter, home from the hill.

                                Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-1894)

Revising History

"But questions were eventually raised concerning the morality of atomic warfare and the need for the Truman administration to drop the bomb in order to secure Japan’s surrender."

This is what happens following 40 years of dumbed-down public school teaching. The NYT now believes there aren't enough people left alive who know the truth. Therefore, it's now time to tell everybody the version the NYT wants people to believe.

The NYT editors did this on purpose. Let me repeat -- on purpose. This was no mistake that slipped by. Why? Because they are on the same campaign to destroy America. This is happening in small and large ways all across the country.

  • Christmas? Phttt.

  • Constitution? Living.

  • A cross in San Diego? Bring it down.

  • Sex toys for kindergartners? Why not.

  • History? No, NYTstory.

  • Morals? Don't impose yours on me, everything goes.

  • Illegal aliens? Undocumented workers.

  • Marriage? Redefined.

And the list goes on.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

"But questions were

"But questions were eventually raised concerning the morality of
atomic warfare and the need for the Truman administration to drop the
bomb in order to secure Japan’s surrender."

TnT, I'm sure if we had invaded Japan and there was the huge loss of life (I forget how many millions they say would have died) the same people right now would be "raising questions" about why Truman didn't use the bomb, considering how many lives could have been saved......

Instead of "in the final days of WW II" I'm just surprised the NYT didn't lead off with "As the war was winding down....."

Lives saved estimate

The estimate I have seen is that 40,000 Americans would have died in the invasion, countless others wounded. More than 1 Million Japanese would have died, mostly civilians.

The best figure we have on Americans killed/missing in WWII is around 292,000. Of this, around 90,000 were killed during Pacific operations.

The 40,000 estimate, therefore, would mean that an increase of 14% of overall, and 44% of Pacific deaths were expected. Not only that, but a lot of soldiers who celebrated victory in Europe would have been sent to Japan to be killed. And for what? Just so we would not have dropped the Big One?

These people who think we did wrong come from one of two camps:

  • They think we were "unfair" because the kill ratio for the two bombs was something like "hundreds of thousands to none"

  • The don't like the U.S. to have such power

Fortunately for them, their fathers weren't one of the 40,000 that were destined to die in the invasion. For that, they should be thankful. They should also try to put things into context, and begin to ask themselves why the Japanese were so brutal, and why we had to win WWII with an unconditional surrender. Sadly, these people are no longer capable of asking intelligent questions and seeing the whole picture.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

I have heard estimates of

I have heard estimates of 100,000 casualties just taking the southern island. A million US/Allied casualties for all of Japan. If that was the case you got to figure close to 10,000,000 casualties for the Japanese. Considering the Japanese civilians were trained and were expected to fight for their homeland. The continual leftist bashing of the dropping of the atomic bomb (which is a yearly event around the anniversary, not to mention the controversial info copy at the Smithsonian Enola Gay exhibit) is so retarded and filled with gushy touchy feely revisionist blather that it always sickens me. By the way the Japanese have never apologized to the Chinese for the slaughter of millions of their citizens especially the 3 or 4 hundred thousand in Nanking.

  We dropped the bomb for

 

We dropped the bomb for two reasons. One to end the war quickly with less loss of life on our side and to show the rest of the world that we were the first to build it and not afraid to use it.

How dare these assholes

How dare these asshole question not just Tibbits heroism but the huge casualties that were averted on both side by the quick end of the war brought about by the dropping of the bomb.  It's so easy to ignore the implications of something that never happened.  I am not the only one out there that mayverywell have never been born if we had had to invade Japan in a conventional manner as my father was an LCT skipper in the Pacific and would no doubt have been involved.  Never mind the further political implications that would have arrisen if the Soviets had been involved in the invasion, which they were chomping at the bit to do.  Which is one of the reasons Truman made the decisions.  Consider one little fact.  Up until just rercently soldiers wounded or killed in battle were receiving Purple Hearts that were produced during WWII in antisipation of the high casualty rates that were expected. 

"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."

Alexander Hamilton

Remember the soldiers who

Remember the soldiers who had just been through hell in Europe were starting to be transferred to the Pacific theater for the invasion. The USMC was nearly destroyed after Iwo, Saipan and Okinawa with huge casualties. These islands are relatively small islands compared to the home islands of Japan.

Why are we surprised by this...

....when these are the same people who say it was Groby who ended the Cold War rather than Reagan and his rebuilding of the American military?

Nuke the Left

If 9/11 was an inside job, how come the NY Times building is still standing?

 

Liberal Irony

Isn’t this one of those liberal ironies?  If Tibbits had not dropped the bomb, the war would not have ended easily.  Countless American men would have been killed in the invasion of Japan and none of them would have fathered children.  The baby boom generation might have not have been created, nor the liberal, loonie left: the very fools we now have criticizing Tibbits!  

RIP Gen.Tibbets

This is the first I have heard of his passing. Maybe it is better the MSM does not report it. It just gives fuel to the moonbats who want to question the policies of a different time. A time I sometimes wish our nation would return to. Honesty, integrity, love of your neighbors

God Bless You Paul W. Tibbets Jr.

Thank you for your service to this country. Thank you for helping to end a horrific war.

Thanks Paul

For possibly saving my father's life -- he was one of the millions scheduled to invade Japan in 1945 -- he's still alive and a part of my life and his grandkids and great-grandkids lives too -- maybe Little Boy & Fat Man will be the last atomic bombs ever having to be used by humans -- Again, Thanks Sir!

If anyone's interested

 I did a search on Invasion Plans for Japan and came upon this article, it's really good.  It's a long read, but tends to dispute those who say we shouldn't have dropped the bomb.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/giangrec.htm

 

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unconditional surrender, is why we used atomics, IT WORKED

That's the LAST time that phrase was EVER used.

Entitlement over infrastructure every SINGLE time.