Immigration Fear Factor at the Denver Post


Apparently, the Undocumented-American community is having a tough time of it.  No, really.

A year after state lawmakers passed what they called the toughest illegal-immigration laws in the nation, there is no proof illegal immigrants have been caught taking advantage of taxpayers. Instead, there are abundant stories of citizens eligible for services who can't prove it because they lack the required ID.

Of one side, the side that wants to prevent illegal aliens from taking our tax dollars, "proof" is demanded.  From the other, anecdotal evidence comprising "abundant stories" is sufficient.  Of course, abundance is also in the eye of the reporter.

"We have nothing to show that this law is doing what it was intended to do," said Maureen Farrell, executive director of the Colorado Center on Law and Policy. "The reality is that more citizens appear to be impacted than illegal immigrants."

The Post, as frequently happens when referencing liberal think tanks, fails to identify them as such.  The CCLP's mission: "The Colorado Center on Law and Policy's mission is to promote justice and economic security for all Coloradans, particularly lower income people.  CCLP advocates on behalf of the the poor, working poor and other vulnerable populations though legislative, administrative and legal advocacy."  Maybe so you won't notice there's no "balancing" conservative opinion.

Beyond the effects on hospitals and social-service providers, businesses have also complained that the anti- immigrant fervor generated by HB 1023 and other laws has made it harder to find employees.

Ah, that's why!  There is no balancing conservative opinion!  Or at least no balanced conservative opinion.  There's merely, "fervor."  Fervor all through the Right.  Fervor!  Funnily enough, it's actually generated by the law in question, rather than helping to generate it.  Oh, and note that it's no longer about illegal immigrants, but all immigrants.

Other lawmakers, meanwhile, argue HB 1023 doesn't go far enough.

Sen. David Schultheis, R-Colorado Springs, said tales of how the law is hurting the homeless and indigent are a diversion tactic by social-service providers.

"That is being used as an excuse to make sure that this procedure is loose enough to ensure that anyone can apply," he said.

Schultheis never actually says the laws don't go far enough.  What he does say is that social service providers want to, well, provide services, and that their claims are misleading.

Others argue that such immigrants were never draining Colorado coffers.

"People who are undocumented are here to work - not use social services," said Deb DeBoutez with the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless.

Except for the gang members who are here to funnel drug money to jihadists, that is.  They're fine, law-abiding illegals.

State agencies reported this year that the package of immigration laws cost them about $2 million to put in place. But they found no cost savings through kicking illegal immigrants off of state rolls.

This is the WMD method of argument.  Fine enough for a Presidential debate, not so good for what supposed to pass for journalism.  In fact, cost savings was only one reason for this law.  Perhaps more important was taking away a reason for people to come here.

It is estimated there are nearly 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. and about 225,000 to 275,000 in Colorado.

If this doesn't conjure up images of Drew Carey standing on a stage, asking these reporters to make a guess, with the audience yelling, as one, "higher, higher!"  There's no source for the national numbers, they're clearly at the low end of the range.  Apparently, the numbers for Colorado come from a study by the left-leaning Pew Hispanic Center, but you wouldn't know this, either.

A large number of those who are affected, especially in the case of health care, are indigent citizens.  Just try mentioning that mentally ill homeless should be put in state facilities, though, and see how many syllables make it out before, "warehousing!"

Denver Health, which serves a large percentage of the indigent and homeless population, has spent nearly $2 million in the past year treating indigent patients who don't have enough identification to prove they are legal residents. The hospital cannot include such charges in its application for a refund through the Colorado Indigent Care Program.

"It means that we have $2 million less in our operating budget," said Bobbi Barrow, a spokeswoman for Denver Health.

A shooting victim who arrived at Denver Health's emergency room without insurance or state-approved ID stayed for more than a month, leaving behind a $182,000 medical bill.

Denver Health's loss will not save the state any money.

Hospitals are refunded a percentage of the money they spend each year on indigent patients. But there is a fixed amount of grant money each year, and the state divides it up among the hospitals. So just because a hospital spent more money on indigent care, it doesn't mean that it will get a bigger check from the state.

This is simply incoherent.  According to the logic, they weren't going to be able to recover the money, anyway, because there's a cap on how much the state pays out.  We're not told what the algorithm for dividing up the money is (did the reporters even bother to ask?), so we have no idea whether spending more or less is better.  But if it doesn't save the state any money, it can't cost the hospitals any money.

There's more, largely about the amount of paperwork the rule is causing non-profits.  Don't hold your breath waiting for the paper to endorse a flat tax.

Oh, and that "fear factor" headline?  Apparently Jim Spencer was able to find work after the buyout, after all.

Cross-Posted at View From a Height.


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Similar to ID's for voting

This is similar to whenever someone proposes enforcing voters to show an ID in order to vote.

All of sudden liberals find that all Democrat voters don't have proper Id's.  By no fault of their own of course.

I personally don't, and have never, known anyone who didn't have an ID.

Illegals have been getting

Illegals have been getting ID's somehow for years. I'm sure the democrats can find a way to get their dead voters ID's as well.

No ID is NO excuse

for either immigrants or voters! 

There is absolutely no inconvenience for anyone - if they can get to the post office to buy stamps, then they can get to the post office (or other government agency) to present the necessary documents to get an acceptable ID.  From what I've read, even the required documents don't really tell the whole story...bills with a name and address on them???  What is wrong with birth certificates? 

The only "problems" I can see would be 1) illegals would be found, and 2) the dead would no longer be able to vote!

I, too, have never known anyone who did not have an ID.  This is nothing more than another attempt by the liberals to portray their supporters as "victims" - it is time to demand that everyone obeys the rules!!!

I'm very glad to hear that Colorado and some other states have passed these laws.

And then there is Massachusetts with its sanctuary cities and no authorization whatsoever to allow the state police to question the status of criminals who could possibly be illegals!  Thanks to our new governor, who rescinded the order Mitt Romney gave before he left that would have trained special state troopers to work with ICE and get rid of those illegals who committed crimes in our state. 

Not just the post office

the welfare office. You have to go there every so often just to prove you still need the services. You can definitely get an ID if you can get to the welfare office.

The dead can still vote absentee

in most states. Don't have to show any ID or proof of pulse to mail in a request for a ballot.

I'm pretty sure my cat can register to vote and receive ballots by mail; he has a human-sounding name and receives mail at our physical address. That's all you need to vote in Wisconsin.  Oh, sure checking the "I certify I'm a citizen age 17 and a half or older" box might be some sort of crime (he's three) but no one's going to follow up on it.

 

(Don't worry; he shows no interest in human politics.) 

"A year after state

"A year after state lawmakers passed what they called the toughest
illegal-immigration laws in the nation, there is no proof illegal
immigrants have been caught taking advantage of taxpayers."

Question: have the new laws caught illegal immigrants trying to take advantage of taxpayers?

Also, did it occur to the Denver Post that maybe news of the new laws has spread in the illegal community, and that illegals are laying low now? Perhaps the new laws are working. 

Laying Low

Actually, the paper does mention the possibility elsewhere in the article, but their legendary investigative skills fail them, as they don't actually seem to try to find any illegals. 

Joshua Sharf
http://www.jsharf.co...

They would have to try to

They would have to try to not find them, as in many large cities in America, you can't take two steps without running into one.

}}---> Don't ask don't tell

You see, Restless, the people of Denver are so socially evolved they eschew any hint of national differentiation.  To do otherwise would be to expose extreme racial prejudice.

Of course there's no proof

Of course there's no proof. If an illegal comes in trying to get servies and can't pass the new muster, they leave. Noone can prove they were an illegal, or a citizen, or the proof would have passed the muster.

LOL - Of course there is no proof.

Oh so and such was kicked off this or that program because the couldn't meet the new verification standard, but we only discovered people who claimed to be citizens. We had our spanish speaking interpreter with us, proof some people have been disenfranchised. - rofl

 When Juan told us he was born here and showed us his parents birth home, that was proof enough for us. - hahha

 Everyone we talked to who was rejected claimed they were qualified and are in fact US citizens, even if they can't produce an ID. INS told us they couldn't comment due to privacy laws.

 There is no proof. No proof.

 When someone was kicked out of the system, that didn't prove they weren't or rather aren't a citizen, it merely proved they could not meet the requirements for producing the paperwork requested. No proof once again.

 As a liberal my open mind allowes me to prove nothing except that I can express the worst case scenario and pretend I proved it, each and every time.

 

Illegals

 Any city the bills itself as a "sanctuary" city should have any and all federal money stopped/returned ASAP.  They are anti-American, they are unAmerican.  

Put the shoe on the other foot, an American illegally enter Mexico, or any other country for that matter, is subject to be stopped and asked for proof of citizenship and will be checked out thoroughly.  I don't care if you call it profiling, profile away.

Denver you diserve what you get

A PROUD AMERICAN

Denver you bent over for the leftest liberal BS and now you are owned by the illegal population, you reap what you, well you already know. Too late to wake up, might as well go back to sleep. Stupid.....some of the American Population!!!!

Yeah, I had to shake my head

Yeah, I had to shake my head when I read about the large increase in "citizens" being denied benefits because they didn't have the required ID. 
How dumb do you have to be not to draw a line between the lack of illegals trying to get benefits vs. the sudden increase in "citizens" without ID being turned down?

"People who are

"People who are undocumented are here to work - not use social services," said Deb DeBoutez with the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless."

Well, Deb, that'd be all well and good if the illegal immigrants and their children never went to ER or clinic when they are sick, never set foot in a school, or don't ever go to prison.

I can buy that the majority of illegals immigrants are here to work, but that also means that a portion of them are here for other, less noble reasons (including taking as much money from the US government as possible, not to mention the fact there are those who want to actually harm the US). And, of those who do want to "just work", they undoubtedly use the roads that the tax payers pay for, the ER that the county and community fund, etc.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Deb.

Dutch