Media Predictably Condemn Hamdan Terrorism Conviction

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 Update:  After all the MSM ranting of an unfair trial, Hamdan gets 66 months including five years and a month time already served.

As soon as Salim Ahmed Hamdan was convicted Wednesday, July 6, there were several things expected

  1. The ACLU and other leftist organizations would pitch hissy fits. Mission accomplished
  2. Many liberals/progressives would tell us the decision was bad and would take the opportunity to rail at Bush. Mission accomplished
  3. The Credentialed Media would release editorials against the decision. Mission accomplished!

Starting with CBS News, who had theirs out late Wednesday

So the tiny little fish in the barrel was indeed shot. In the least surprising verdict of this or any other year, a panel of U.S. soldiers Wednesday convicted former Osama bin Laden chauffeur Salim Hamdan of supporting al Qaeda operations before and shortly after the terror attacks on America. (snip)

And so a trial that changed the face of American constitutional law (and may yet do so again) ends precisely as it was designed to end by the people in power who designed the legal war on terror. With a conviction. With the White House and Pentagon boasting of the efficacy of the process. And with a model now set for the much more important trials of Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh, two truly bad guys. This round goes to the government in a fight that was rigged from the beginning. What happens in the next few rounds is anyone’s guess.

And the article got across exactly the tone the Progressives wanted, inciting exactly the type of comments one would expect, such as:

when we subvert the law to protect the likes of bush,

we become the terrorists,

all americans should be ashamed after this sham trial

At least the article at CBS was by an individual. The one at the New York Times represents the position of the New York Times: Guilty As Ordered

Now that was a real nail-biter. The court designed by the White House and its Congressional enablers to guarantee convictions of high-profile detainees in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba — using evidence obtained by torture and secret evidence as desired — has held its first trial. It produced … a guilty verdict.

The rules of justice on Guantánamo are so stacked against defendants that the only surprise was that Mr. Hamdan was actually acquitted on the more serious count of conspiring (it was unclear with whom) to kill Americans during the invasion of Afghanistan after Sept. 11, 2001.

We are not arguing that the United States should condone terrorism or those who support it, or that the guilty should not be punished severely. But in a democracy, trials must be governed by fair rules, and judges must be guided by the law and the evidence, not pressure from the government. The military commission system, which falls far short of these standards, is a stain on the United States.

In other words, give terrorist, people who are NOT American citizens and/or not applying for US citizenship, the full rights of American citizens. Funny how the sympathy on the Left goes to the Islamists, wrapped up in fake caring about Constitutional Rights.

The headline, tone, and writing of the editorial also seems to be taking shots at the military folks who served during this trial, apparently calling them mindless automatons.

Quite frankly, the Bush Administration did mess up, as they should have named the Islamists who were caught as POW’s, as distasteful as that is, so that they could have held them until the end of the War on Terrorism, without any trials, per the Geneva Convention.

The above portion of this article was written by William Teach of Pirate's Cove and reprinted with permission.  However, I want to add a little more.

Andy McCarthy goes after the NY Times on the same article:

Of course, the trial also produced a not-guilty verdict.  Was that "as ordered" too?  If the system was "designed ... to guarantee convictions" how did that happen?

As our take at NRO this morning points out, the trial appears to have been exceedingly fair.  Not only was there no "evidence obtained by torture" etc., there was actually suppression of interrogation proof derived from coercive questioning that did not come close to torture.  There were also jury instructions that were very favorable to the defendant, and the introduction of exculpatory evidence.  In combination, that probably led to that inconvenient acquittal the Times would prefer not to talk about. 

The tiresome Times bombast, altogether emblematic of what passes for discourse on the Left regarding the serious questions about how combatants should be tried, underscores the best result of the Hamdan commission trial.  As we argue today:

Such caterwauling, however, will no longer fill a void in the public mind. We now have a concrete record of a completed trial that seems to have been scrupulously deferential to Hamdan’s right to a fair proceeding.

And if it wasn’t, we’ll know that soon enough, too. In drafting and enacting the 2006 Military Commissions Act under which this trial was conducted, the Bush administration and Congress provided for multiple levels of appeal, first in the military system, then in the civilian federal courts — the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals and, ultimately, the Supreme Court. In these tribunals, we will no longer be talking hypotheticals and hyperbole. We’ll be talking about an actual case — the things military justice did do, not scurrilous predictions of what it might do.

Bill West at the Counterterrorism Blog sums it up nicely:

The officers who served on this jury had a duty to independently weigh the evidence presented to them within the rules of the Commission and to render a decision based on their own judgement of that evidence...not based on any external orders. The conduct of the proceedings and the verdict demonstrate those officers did just that. They not only vindicated the Commission...the "system"...but they brought great credit upon themselves and the Officer Corps. They upheld that code of honor We the People expect of them.

The NY Times, in its derogatory editorial, not only ignores that fact but does a backhanded insult to those officers who served on the jury.

The cherry on top of it all is that after all this ranting and raving from the MSM and the ACLU, the final sentence was a slap on the wrist.

—John Stephenson is editor of Stop The ACLU.


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"the tiny little fish in the

"the tiny little fish in the barrel"

Charles Krauthamer nailed this yesterday:

Well, getting caught with one RPG in the trunk, you could say "I didn't know it was there, it's not mine."

But getting caught with TWO... you're screwed.

Osama surrounded himself

Osama surrounded himself with people he trusted, people who believed in his cause, the violent destruction of America, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. Salim Ahmed Hamdan was one such person and is clearly equally culpable.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Perhaps we should have let

Perhaps we should have let the Iraqis try him. I do think they would have hung the little SOB.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

66 Months....5 and 1/2

66 Months....5 and 1/2 years....

You have got to be kidding me!!!!

Outrageous....just outrageous.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I cannot believe the

I cannot believe the sentence either. Just outrageous. If he was free he would still be trying to kill Americans.

6 Months

mjg...

Yeah I just heard on some network during a news brief with his time already served he may only get 6 months.

6 freakin' Months.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT - he only has to serve 5 months

this is outrageous. They may has well have found him not guilty. 5 months and the libs are complaining that it's unfair. Unbelievable.

My favorite BDS symptom:

"The court designed by the White House and its Congressional enablers. . . ."  Uh, who are those Congressional enablers?  Pelosi?  Reid?  Are they aware of who controls Congress?

So what we have here is a terrorist being convicted under a juridical process set up by Congress, approved by the President and validated by the Supreme Court.  Yeah, Bush--who's alternately stupidly blind or cleverly nefarious depending on the medication the editor is taking--set up this kangaroo court.

So Sayth the Constitution

"The court designed by the White House and its Congressional enablers"

What's with these people, don't they believe in the Constitution?

"The Congress shall have Power...

...To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court"

The Constitution also gives Congress the authority to "define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations"

I would definitely call terrorism an offence against the laws of nations, yet some people don't seem to like the idea that Congress assigned military tribunals the authority to try and convict foreign nationals who commit crimes against the law of nations.

In both cases, creating military tribunals and defining crimes against the laws of nations and the punishment involved, the Constitution gave Congress this authority, yet some people seem to ignore that Constitutional authority, even members of OUR OWN Supreme Court! That tells me that these people ether don't understand the Constitution or they just don't care about the Supreme Law of the Land. I believe that it's more of the latter than the former.

The law of nations

The Constitution also gives Congress the authority to "define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations"

This is obviously a statement against such crimes as enabling global warming or being a conservative and has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism since that didn't actually exist when our founding fathers where haning around discussing that living constitution thingy.

 

 

/sarc

" In the least surprising

" In the least surprising verdict of this or any other year, a panel of U.S. soldiers Wednesday convicted...Salim Hamdan..."

Much better if a panel of liberals had acquitted him, huh?
These liberal media types must live in some alternate reality than the rest of us - filled with daisies, butterflies, and unicorns - and no nasty ol' thing like terrorism exists.

McNotObama '08

Hi John Stephenson.... I

Hi John Stephenson....

I am so glad you put the update with the number of months at the top...much better attention grabber...

...this should be paid attention to...it is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Media reincarnates Hannah Arendt

The media's response to this reminds me of Hannah Arendt's book, "Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil" where she castigated the new Israeli government on the "show trial" conviction of Adolph Eichmann.  As if the guy wasn't guilty.

 

Those who have not swords can still die upon them.

This fits here better than

This fits here better than where I had posted it earlier today.

Yesterday we all said we would wait for the liberals to start complaining about the "fairness" of the Salim Hamdan conviction at Guantanamo.

The LA Times editorial today says the following:

For example, an FBI agent who questioned Hamdan acknowledged that if the interrogation had taken place elsewhere than Guantanamo, he would have given Hamdan a Miranda warning.

 

So, now according to the LA Times, we need to Mirandize enemies siezed on the battlefield before we ask them questions?

Do we also need to announce our presence and demand our enemies throw down their weapons before we open fire while we ambush them in the mountains?

According to the LAT, should we approach a US federal judge with probable cause to get a warrent before we conduct a raid in downtown Bagram?

Are "No knock entries" by US personnel now grounds for a dismissal of a case upon appeal when we bust down the door of an AQ bunker in the highlands near the Pakistani Border?

Are ambushes now forbidden, we cannot open fire unless we are fired upon first?

How far is the LA Times willing to go to degrade our troops abilities to fight a war?

Hi BD... Well, since I

Hi BD...

Well, since I replied to your post earlier on OT...

Now I am just going to add that the LA Times and all other enemy within rags that loves the terrorists, hate this President/ his administration, that have done their best to work with the enemy in every way they possibly can over the years ought to be dancing with glee.

I despise the treasonous ba$tard$.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Where will he serve the

Where will he serve the time, in a prison stateside, or in Guantanamo?

He'll be out in five

He'll be out in five months, doesn't much matter.

 

I know how to win wars!

Biff... I wouldn't be so

Biff...

I wouldn't be so quick about that....the military has the right to hold him for as long as they please as far as I understand anyway.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT,

He's a small fish, throw him back.

When is the 9-11 planner's trial? That's the guy you want to nail good, using real nails.

I know how to win wars!

Small Fish

Sometimes, when released, the small fish swim back upstream to where they were spawned.

Biff

"When is the 9-11 planner's trial? That's the guy you want to nail good, using real nails."

Read carefully -- with my added highlights, to better emphasis the difference between a liberal, short-sighted, foolish "get OBL" mindset vs. the far wiser, effective, visionary, and long-term thinking approach to strive to completely eradicate what had blossomed into a major cancer in the world -- some key excerpts I've compiled from two Bush speeches in the weeks following 9/11.

The first batch was from his address to the nation just days following the attacks, and the latter batch from his speech on the night we launched our war in afghanistan.

It's great stuff, Biff: 

 

This weekend I am engaged in extensive sessions with members of my National Security Council, as we plan a comprehensive assault on terrorism. This will be a different kind of conflict against a different kind of enemy.

This is a conflict without battlefields or beachheads, a conflict with opponents who believe they are invisible.  Yet, they are mistaken.  They will be exposed, and they will discover what others in the past have learned:  Those who make war against the United States have chosen their own destruction.  Victory against terrorism will not take place in a single battle, but in a series of decisive actions against terrorist organizations and those who harbor and support them.

We are planning a broad and sustained campaign to secure our country and eradicate the evil of terrorism.  And we are determined to see this conflict through.  Americans of every faith and background are committed to this goal.

Now we honor those who died, and prepare to respond to these attacks on our nation.  I will not settle for a token act.  Our response must be sweeping, sustained and effective.  We have much do to, and much to ask of the American people.

You will be asked for your patience; for, the conflict will not be short.  You will be asked for resolve; for, the conflict will not be easy. You will be asked for your strength, because the course to victory may be long.

This military action is a part of our campaign against terrorism, another front in a war that has already been joined through diplomacy, intelligence, the freezing of financial assets and the arrests of known terrorists by law enforcement agents in 38 countries.  Given the nature and reach of our enemies, we will win this conflict by the patient accumulation of successes, by meeting a series of challenges with determination and will and purpose.    

Today we focus on Afghanistan, but the battle is broader.  Every nation has a choice to make.  In this conflict, there is no neutral ground. If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents, they have become outlaws and murderers, themselves.  And they will take that lonely path at their own peril.

The battle is now joined on many fronts.  We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and we will not fail.  Peace and freedom will prevail. 

 

Say what you will about him in domestically, economically, etc., the man and his administration were way ahead of all of us on this one, and I can only thank my lucky stars it was him who eeked out a victory in 2000. 

 

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For REAL Change

well done Shy

You're quickly becoming a member of the Esteemed Brotherhood of Researchers and Troll Busters.

We have meetings and everything.

PS - You say Bush eeked out a victory in 2000. I say he survived an attempted coup.

candance

Thanks :)

And yeah, that last part, you're right....

Honestly, all the details of what went on in FL, it's politicians at the time, the overseas mail-ins that weren't counted, the chads, etc., I'm not totally on top of. But back in 2000 I was technically a Democrat, but was not a lunatic thinking either stole it. It WAS an amazingly close race, both were given two extra months to try and sort everything out, and then one had to win. End of story. Same with a close sports game. You accept the outcome and move on.

As for Bush's vision back in September, 2001, he and his advisers were far ahead of everyone, including myself, and 7 years later it appears to be paying off big time.

No major attacks on our soil or in other countries for over three years. We've attacked them in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, etc., planted democracies in two key M.E. countries, let Israel take a real swipe at Hezbollah, and have conducted covert operations that we're not privy too, I'm sure, and a lot more... and it continues.

OBL, and his #2's and #3's, are irrelevant, if you ask me, and probably dying if not dead by now.

 

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For REAL Change

I believe the numbers 2 and

I believe the numbers 2 and 3 are dead. OBL is enjoying the creature comforts of a local Cave Inn.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

a history lesson for Shy

There are three basic elements to that election most lefties don't want to talk about:

1)The MSM incorrectly calling states for Gore. They were so excited about calling Florida that they did so before the ballots in the western panhandle closed. Thus late-working Republicans living in Pensacola were told even before they could vote that their state was already decided. This was the same trick they did in 96 that contributed to Dole's embarrassing wipe-out...folks standing in line on the west coast were told that it was mathmatically impossible for their votes to change the outcome, so many lost interest and went home.

2)Gore insisted on hand counting votes only in cities with heavy Democrat sympathy, and also attempted to dismiss a number of overseas absentee ballots because they didn't have a clear postmark for the date - come to find out they were mostly military voters who had sent them in packages back in home, and the law had an exception for their votes to not be postmarked. Gore found that if he could press this issue and get those votes thrown out, he'd have won the state.

3) The infamous butterfly ballot was approved by both parties before the election and was needful because there were too many candidates to fit on their old template. This method had been used (with complaints) in 1996, but since Clinton won the state handily, the Dems didn't have any time to investigate.

 

Hope this helps.

Candance

It very much does, thanks! Interesting stuff. Knew about all three, but not the real nuts and bolts.

You're a pro. :)

 

 

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Shy,

When Bush is talking about the WOT, he is profound and ahead of his time, (actually, I think previous administrations just didn't get it). I miss the "cowboy" the media hated so much. I think he was at his best when confronting America's enemies from abroad. Against the enemies here and south of the border, unfortunately, not so much.

That said, I thank God that the right man got the job in 2000 and 2004. I just wish BJ had had some balls when he was in position to fight terrorism. Might have saved 3,0000 lives. Maybe more.

(BTW, Candance. Do they serve beer at these meetings. If so, how do I join?) 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

restless

Yeah, it really is powerful and inspirational stuff, those speeches. But a lot of major speeches that he gives each year are, I find. He's so under appreciated, by the MSM (uh DUH) obviously, but even by a majority of people. Granted, he has speech writers like all politicians, but he really nails them and delivers them better than he's given credit for. And of course, they have real substance and they're still his core ideas/beliefs.

BJ was such a waste of eight years, looking back. That smug womanizer and his creepy wife. Ugh. How that overly-ambitious pair go over so well with liberals, well, doesn't shock me. Same thing is happening now with the follow-up to them, the Obama's.

 

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For REAL Change

R1... I miss those days

R1...

I miss those days too...

I'm sorry he let his know-it-alls tell him 'Wanted Dead or Alive' was bad....

Oh yeah...I forgot, I guess it was Laura.

...while I really like her...she should of let him be his own man regarding this..we all loved it.

....well, I did anyway.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

hey bigT :)

Wow, has Laura been involved in some policy issues? I really thought she stayed out of it.

I mean, I guess a husband and wife DO talk about their day, and ideas get exchanged :p (if that's sort of how it came about.... but she doesn't strike me as doing this in any forceful way, deliberately.)

 

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MrS... Ah heck...I'm sure

MrS...

Ah heck...I'm sure it was just a little pillow talk....

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

ah restless

You ask for beer?

No beer. But we do have ice cold cream soda, homemade hors d'ouevres, cider grilled shrimp with fresh cut salad, and mocha pie for desert. We also supply you with Repel-A-Lib, which is spray on logic, and a BS detector that fits in your dash.

Meetings held every Wednesday noon in the Bat Cave. No cell phones allowed.

To qualify for membership, you must be resourceful in finding information online, quick to pounce on trolls, and deft in your ability to form an airtight assertion.

Applicants considered during business hours only. Libs need not apply.

 

candance & restless

No beer.

I'm not a beer drinker, so...

But we do have ice cold cream soda, homemade hors d'ouevres, cider grilled shrimp with fresh cut salad, and mocha pie for desert.

Please stop.

We also supply you with Repel-A-Lib, which is spray on logic, and a BS detector that fits in your dash.

Please continue. 

 

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For REAL Change

sorry Shy

When you write children's fiction all day it's helpful to have a big imagination. Once you get me going I can really spin some yarn.

Haha... You certainly

Haha... You certainly can!

 

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For REAL Change

Thanks Shy, for filling in where the MSM will not Tread...

A better speach than Obama gave in Germany.....as they say, though...Obama has the 103 German electoral Votes all sewn up.

But the Miltary at large Vote, may sink his A$$.

The Republican Revolution will not be Televised