The MSM is reporting on Obama’s STRONG condemnation of his pastor’s controversial, racist, American hating remarks. Sister Toldjah finds the defense laughable. Despite the holes in Obama’s repudiation, such as the fact that he was a member of Wright’s church for twenty years and apparantly never heard one of his extreme remarks or the fact that Barack didn’t find the remarks enough to leave the church….Sweetness & Light dig up the inconvient truth: Obama Knew What His Pastor Was Saying. Despite this fact, Obama still put the man on his campaign.:
The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., senior pastor of the popular Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and spiritual mentor to Senator Barack Obama, thought he knew what he would be doing on Feb. 10, the day of Senator Obama’s presidential announcement.
After all, back in January, Mr. Obama had asked Mr. Wright if he would begin the event by delivering a public invocation.
But Mr. Wright said Mr. Obama called him the night before the Feb. 10 announcement and rescinded the invitation to give the invocation.
“Fifteen minutes before Shabbos I get a call from Barack,” Mr. Wright said in an interview on Monday, recalling that he was at an interfaith conference at the time. “One of his members had talked him into uninviting me,” Mr. Wright said, referring to Mr. Obama’s campaign advisers.
Some black leaders are questioning Mr. Obama’s decision to distance his campaign from Mr. Wright because of the campaign’s apparent fear of criticism over Mr. Wright’s teachings, which some say are overly Afrocentric to the point of excluding whites.
Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said the campaign disinvited Mr. Wright because it did not want the church to face negative attention. Mr. Wright did however, attend the announcement and prayed with Mr. Obama beforehand.
“Senator Obama is proud of his pastor and his church, but because of the type of attention it was receiving on blogs and conservative talk shows, he decided to avoid having statements and beliefs being used out of context and forcing the entire church to defend itself,” Mr. Burton said.
Instead, Mr. Obama asked Mr. Wright’s successor as pastor at Trinity, the Rev. Otis Moss III, to speak. Mr. Moss declined.
In recent weeks, word of Mr. Obama’s treatment of Mr. Wright has reached black leaders like the Rev. Al Sharpton and given them pause.
“I have not discussed this with Senator Obama in detail, but I can see why callers of mine and other clergymen would be concerned, because the issue is standing by your own pastor,” Mr. Sharpton said…
I think this is about as good a recovery possible for Obama on this…however I’m not convinced. I’m sure the MSM will be though.
—John Stephenson is editor of Stop The ACLU.
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This is all making sense.
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 22:45 ET by rbosqueThis is all making sense. He refused to salute the flag, wear a flag pin, his wife thinks this country has sucked until her husband was winning, his Pastor for the past 20 years thinks this country should be damned, his office in Texas displays Cuban "Che" flag...
The dots are really starting to add up.
The dots are really starting to add up.
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 22:54 ET by John StephensonIndeed.
I think this is a deal breaker.
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:03 ET by nwahsMSNBC can ignore it all they want, but this is the deal breaker. The hatred in those sermons is undeniable, and for Obama to pretend he never sensed anti-American sentiment in 20 years of attendance, is ridiculous. Coupled with all the other anti-American demonstrations and Freudian slips, I'd say its a definite deal breaker.
This is all just too much
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 10:00 ET by dronetekI love how they keep forgetting that Obama had a close relationship with this guy for 20 years. The fact that hes only distanceing himself now is extremely telling. Do they think people are too stupid to come to the same conclusion?
Rev. Wright Song Parody
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 08:00 ET by P.J. GladnickCharles Henrickson at the DUmmie FUnnies just wrote a brilliant song parody about Rev. Wright. It is called (If Lovin' the U.S. Is Wrong) I Don't Want to Hear Wright to the tune of (If Lovin' You Is Wrong) I Don't Want to be Right:
Metaphor Alert
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 08:50 ET by Jack BauerDon't want to sound pedantic --- but don't dots JOIN up, while numbers ADD up?
Frankly, if we're supposed
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 22:47 ET by balboaFrankly, if we're supposed to believe that Rush never heard of Curious George, then it's not too hard to believe that Obama never heard sermons like the one in question.
It's hard to believe
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 22:53 ET by exLibWhenever something "Controversial" or even inspiring is said in our church and I missed it, one of our friends will catch us up.
Obama NEVER missed what was said even if he wasn't in attendence for the exact quote.
But I predicted this would happen. This story is officially DEAD as far as the MSM is concerned.
Someone is going to have to buy air time, make commericals and air them and hope that the stations don't refuse to run them.
Otherwise Fogettaboutit.
What's totally mind-boggling to me though is that I, as a Bush supporter, am supposed to be the idiot who takes everything Bush says at face vaule, even though I openly disagree with him on a number of points.
Actually, bal, what is really hard to believe...
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:11 ET by R D Helm...is that you had the 'nads to come in here and post that load.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
I second that, RD Helm. And
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:30 ET by CJK51I second that, RD Helm. And more to the point, at the end of the day, Rush is a guy with a radio show. Obama is a healer of souls and running for president. The ignorance of a children's book by a guy on the radio is pretty easy to overlook; the ignorance of the hate his pastor is spewing by a presidential candidate is not.
For the record, I find both
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:36 ET by balboaFor the record, I find both hard to believe.
The only chance is that something happened in the pastor's life for him to become bitter and vicious, that this vitriol was a new "development." Either way, gotta believe someone on Obama's staff told him "Uh...you gotta get out of this mess."
bal, you may very well be right.
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 00:07 ET by R D HelmHowever, in my experience, events that cause someone to become so full of hate and vitriol come very early in life, usually during their formative years.
As this country once treated most black Americans rather shabbily, it stands to reason that something probably did happen to affect this man's view, but I'm guessing whatever it was happened a very long time ago.
True men of God do not allow events to turn them into stark-raving hate-mongers. And when they do lose control (and some do) it becomes the responsibility of the congregation to step in and see that the pastor gets things straightened out, through counseling or whatever. That clearly did not happen in this case.
As for Obama's advisors finally stepping in, that should have happened long ago. "Rev." Wright has been preaching this BS for a long time. Obama, with all of his education, should have realized that his association with this man could cause him problems down the road, particularly if he was seeking national office.
Not only that, but it was not just a matter of Wright endorsing Obama, but that he was on the campaign staff of the candidate.
No matter how you slice it, this does not look good for Obama.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
R. D Helm.
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 10:07 ET by dronetekWhen I went to Ohio State University, they had a anual event called "Black Heritgae week". Being an open minded person, I decided to check it out with some friends.
Needless to say, I've never experienced racisim like I did that day. From constant calls of "honkey" and "cracker", to the black hate groups that had set up right in front of my dorm.
I actually stayed and listened to one of these guys for a while and I was treated to such gems as, "Whites were meant to be the slaves of black men" and at one point the guy on stage sees me and says:
-"Come up here man....."
-**Extends hand to shake
-**I shake his hand
-"You see? I can shake his hand now but when the times comes I will spill his blood".
That day I realized that no matter how open minded I was, that I'd always be a cracker to the hateful people I saw that day. The idea that Obama has some kind of special pass because someone was racist to him at one time is nothing but bullocks. ALL of us experience it at one time or another, even if youre white.
Bal, I don't know that Rush
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:16 ET by motherbeltBal, I don't know that Rush never heard the name Curious George, but I think it's at least possible that he didn't know he was a monkey in a book. I had heard the name, but didn't know exactly who he was until I had kids and bought kids' books. Rush never had kids. How many people do you think know who "Horton" was, or what the "who" was, that he heard, if they didn't have kids and didn't read Dr. Seuss?
But to believe Obama went to this pastor's church for 20 years and never heard him say anything objectionable like he did in that video...well that would require the "willing suspension of disbelief."
A man with that much vitriol inside doesn't just let it out every 5 years or so....Obama had to have been present once or twice. I can believe he might not have said those things in private, because it was part of his "show." But surely he got on a roll like that at other times in two decades.
"Frankly, if we're supposed
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 02:46 ET by ckc1227"Frankly, if we're supposed to believe
that Rush never heard of Curious George, then it's not too hard to
believe that Obama never heard sermons like the one in question. "
Except that Rush didn't spend 20 years as a member of the Curious George book club, nor did he hire Curious George to work on his radio show.
I'll freely admit that he may not have been present when any of these sermons were given, but to think he didn't know anything about them, or know what kind of kind of guy Wright is isn't believeable.
9/11
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 11:17 ET by mikebromoEvery politician in the United States went to church the Sunday after 9/11. That Sunday Wright made another anti- American rant saying the "chikens have come home to roost". Find it hard to believe the Obamas were not in attendence.
I'm about the same age as Rush and never had any kids. I was listening to his show that day and the curious george remark flew over my head. Had no idea what the lady was talking about.
excellent point Mike - Where was Obama the Sunday after 9/11?
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 11:22 ET by Dee BunkI bet no one will even look into it.
That Sunday Wright made
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 11:36 ET by Jack BauerLet's not forget where that quote came from -- down to the hissing intonation. It was Malcolm X.
But talking about chickens coming home to roost, Obama has made a MAJOR mistake saying this...
All it takes is one example to surface and he's blown out the water
Jack - I think it would be pretty hard for them to prove he was
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 11:48 ET by Dee Bunkin attendance on any of the days unless they were some major Holiday or the Sunday after 9/11. No one in the Church is going to come forward and say that they saw Obama there on any of those days so the best anyone can do is say that it's curious how Obama misses church on all these major events.
Of course any reasonable person can see right through this but to the hero worshiping dems, they wouldn't even believe it if it were caught on tape. They would claim their was a conspiracy and the tape was edited
"Who are you going to
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 12:01 ET by motherbelt"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes????"
LOL
Here we go! CNN equating endorsement of McCain w/ Obama/Wright
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:01 ET by krendlerSo Anderson Cooper and panel right now are trying to say it's all "even Steven" between McCain and the Obama because someone who endorsed McCain said controversial things TOO.
Nevermind the fact that Obama was a member of this church for 2 friggin' DECADES and Wright married Obama, baptized his kids, is part of his campaign etc. etc. etc whereas McCain was simply endorsed by someone.
Can't report something bad about Obama w/o concocting something about his opponents to counter it (either McCain or Hillary will do), now can we.
krendler,
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:13 ET by R D HelmI really tried to watch that, honestly I did, but I finally hat to leave the room.
I'm all out of barf bags.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
What about Michele?
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:18 ET by Mark_for_SenateGee. Don't you think someone might be curious about what Michele's views are on this pastor? and/or the 'alleged' controversy? Isn't CNN trying to boost ratings? or just elect a boob for President?
To know and not do, is to not yet know
Read that RS article!
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:21 ET by tracheostomyI'm not done reading it all myself, but a few goodies really caught my eye.
I mean, I knew this was the case already, but it's astounding a Dem would even admit it, much less admit to the completely vacuous standards of Obama's voting base.
o_O < !!!
I mean, I knew it was a joke floating around here on NB, but I had no idea that. . .LOL!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Why
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:22 ET by Scrapirondid Hussein Obama go to church? He didn't listen to the sermons and now we know he didn't read the church bulletins or he is one whopper of a liar. Either one and he had no reason to be in church. He is far beyond a simple hypocrite.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
Ding! Ding! Ding!!
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:27 ET by motherbeltI have a nominee for "Howler of the Week"!
“Senator Obama is proud of his pastor and his church.... he decided to avoid having statements and beliefs being used out of context...."
He's proud? Then why on earth did he write that lengthy condemnation in the HuffPo today? He's proud of his pastor but condemns what he says? How does that work??
And "taken out of context"? In exactly what context would that tirade NOT be objectionable? Besides, the context was there...it was a video, for crying out loud, not a cherry-picked quote!
motherbelt,
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:50 ET by R D HelmThe more he flails around, the deeper he sinks.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Now if somebody was of the
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:51 ET by Right2thePointNow if somebody was of the idea that a lot of slimy things happen in political campaigns they might wonder if the Clinton camp somehow got this story working.
With all the damage potential for Obama, if could make the recount issue for MI and Fl become yesterday's news.
If Hill took all the delegates from here on to the convention plus some SuperDelegates jump ship she gets the brass ring.
But we know that sweet girl would never ever stoop so low just for a campaign.
That is a great
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 00:02 ET by Gary P JacksonThat is a great observation. We've heard that Hillary's team had a bomb to drop. And if this is the Clinton's doing, one could suffice it to say, they went nuclear!
I have a feeling the "Messiah's" candacy is over.
Hannity actually called for him to step down, and resign his Senate seat. Of course, since the dimocrat(ic) party celebrates murderers (Teddy Kennedy) and guys who run gay prostitution rings out of their basement (Barney Frank), the dimocrat(ic) party may give Obama a pass!
Now from a tactical
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 00:50 ET by Right2thePointNow from a tactical political standpoint look at what you get here.
Obama has to get people to really stretch to believe that his preacher of record only turned up the juice when he wasn't in the house. The rest of the time it was always just singing My Sweet Lord in hundred part harmony. So Obama gets tagged either as a liar trying to wiggle his way out of this or an incompetent who stuck with a preacher he should have ditched long ago and therefore isn't qualified to be in the White House.
Another aspect is Obama just won another primary with 90 plus percent black support....more of the Clintons painting him into a corner of being only a candidate of the blacks.
Then we have to guess is Obama letting him out of the campaign and the distancing done at HuffPo any more sincere than the Canadian NAFTA fluff up. Is this another, don't really matter it's just political rhetoric moment.
No matter how you cut it, if Obama self destructs on this Hill wins by default here for the nomination.
At a minimum Obama is going to have a lot of explaining to do to get past this which will tie up time he otherwise would be keeping Hill on the defense.
Line it all up and look at where the breadcrumbs lead.
Then we have to guess is
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 06:35 ET by motherbeltThen we have to guess is Obama letting him out of the campaign and the
distancing done at HuffPo any more sincere than the Canadian NAFTA
fluff up
the problem with that is, there is nothing in that HuffPo piece about his leaving the campaign, willingly or otherwise.
sniff...........sniff........
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 00:30 ET by Scout FinchWow. This does smell of Hillary. I'm sure she's put this out there to show how extreme Obama is.
Hmmm....no links to Saul Alinsky.
Like A Rock
Fri, 03/14/2008 - 23:59 ET by rammingspeedThis will sit hard and deep with activist secular libs. Obama has been done in by a religious guy, of all things, and the libs have to pretend everything's okay, in order to get Obama elected president. But this will continue sinking throughout the coming months - it is here to stay, and fun to watch.
Or worse. . .it could
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 00:03 ET by tracheostomyOr worse. . .it could backfire and he'll be seen as a sympathetic figure because he himself didn't say any of that and well, chicks dig him.
(Rolling Stone, p.4, 3rd paragraph on down. . .)
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Obama being defined
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 00:16 ET by m1xramObama has been as vague as possible. It's a great tactic, nobody can nail you down. There could be anything lurking in the fog but as you get closer features become more clear.
Now that the fog is lifting we're finding out that Obama has stuff in his closet too. With this new context his wife's comments make more sense, don't they? How could anybody be proud of the country the Pastor describes? Good thing American's don't live there.
m1xram
This explains his wife's anger
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 01:03 ET by BeukeboomBarack and Michelle Obama have been attending this church for 20 years. Michelle Obama makes comments indicating a dislike of America. Their "pastor" (and I use that term loosely...very loosely) gives a vitriolic sermon showing an intense hatred for America.
Hmmm...couldn't there be a connection there?
BTW, in regards to Christian leaders, the Bible does have specific guidelines as to their behavior:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. (NIV)
Titus 1:6-8
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless - not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. (NIV)
So how many of those qualifications does Obama's pastor exhibit in his latest rants of racism and anti-Americanism?
bambi's pastor is a racist,
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 01:04 ET by jdhawkbambi's pastor is a racist, America is wrong, hate monger. It is obvious that the entire bambi family believes the vitriol of this "pastor."
So, I revise my thinking on bambi. I said before that he was merely a stupid, liberal politician that offered nothing more than the same failed policies that dimocrats have championed for over fifty years.
Now, I can say that bambi is a stupid, racist, American is wrong, hate monger who should not only stop running for the presidency, but resign from the senate.
We simply can not have a president or senator that holds the beliefs of bambi's "pastor."
Now if you look around the
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 01:12 ET by Right2thePointNow if you look around the blogs on this issue, you will see that all of the left wing 'progressive' blogs are totally up to their necks in defending and rationalizing this whole issue.
They have put all their credibility on the line in going totally into the tank for Obama on this.
His non denial denial happens on one of those 'progressive' blogs and is cheered by all the others.
If Obama tanks over this, Hillary gets those pain in the neck progressives off her back and she doesn't even have to show up at Kos Konventions any more.
The whole 'progressive' blogsphere goes into finger pointing mode after realizing they have been totally owned by the Hill and Bill.
After all the 'progressive' blogs have been on Hill's case this whole campaign and they don't have any love lost for each other.
A catfight made in heaven.
This whole Rev Wright thing
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 01:48 ET by maggieqpublicThis whole Rev Wright thing takes me back 35-or-so years. The Reverend’s words are painfully Old School. Rev Wright is Black Panther, Stokely Carmichael, Black Power, Black Muslim Bakery, stereotype racial politics. It is the politics many of us were introduced to long ago… but were too timid to speak out against in the classroom and the community. Well, guess what, many folks in the MSM have also avoided confronting absurd racist hate speech. And now we have a presidential candidate dancing around with hate politics.
If people like me had spoken out long ago, we wouldn’t continue to have “successful” losers like Rev Wright spreading their poison.
But what about Obama? After his last debate with Hillary, I was quite disturbed by his passive nature. Obama is submissive, non-assertive. He aims to please… “Yes, Hillary, I reject Louis Farrakhan.” Today, Obama rejects the words of Rev Wright.
Sorry, I don’t want a passive President.
But the image of the return of The Clintons gives me chills.
Things I wonder
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 06:20 ET by OldSailor88Where does Mr. Wright live in Chicago, and how big is the house?
What kind of car does Mr. Wright drive?
What is his income listed in the Church tax exempt documentation?
Speaking of tax free status, wasn't that campaigning from the pulpit when he was talking up B. Hussein Obama and talking down Mrs. Bill Clinton? Is campaigning from the pulpit authorized if you wish to retain your tax exempt satus?
I noticed on the replay of Mr. Wright's interview on Hannity and Colmes that he is not a full blood African American. Is the hatred that he spews in the pulpit derived from the hatred of his white relatives?
Mr. Wright is a retired Marine. If so, how does one go from a Semper Fi Marine to "God Damn America!"?
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
Old -- "not a full blood
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 06:32 ET by Jack BauerOld -- "not a full blood African-American"?
Looking at the hate preach video what struck me more than anything (once I tuned out the Nuemberg rally frenzy)....
He's BLACK? He looks whiter than my dad. And my dad was pretty white. It must be a Michael Jackson Mk. 10 type black.
But imagine being a person of pallor related to this spite-filled demagogue, and listening to him harrangue your entire race. Yuk.
Rev. Wright for Vice President!
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 06:25 ET by Parker1227If I were into bumper stickers I'd use the above.
(smirk)
Parker... ROFLMAO! Be
Sat, 03/15/2008 - 19:04 ET by bigtimerParker...
ROFLMAO!
Be it would be a big seller too.
Lighten up...
Sun, 03/16/2008 - 00:47 ET by Army BratLotsa people sleep in Church... while their pastor is spewing hatred for their county and engages in bizzare rants about the evils of white people and the source of HIV...for 20 years...without waking up and taking note. Not even once.
Happens all the time...to the comatose amongst us.
This kid, Obama, did an interview in 04 in which he said that he would not run for President in 08, becuse he believed that an applicant for a job, should be qualified to do that job, and that he was not. Apparently the time was right for the new Messiah afterall.
Heaven help us if this radical makes it to the White House.
Happy Trails...
Army Brat, ROFLMAO!
Sun, 03/16/2008 - 00:50 ET by R D HelmLotsa people sleep in Church... while their pastor is spewing hatred
for their county and engages in bizzare rants about the evils of white
people and the source of HIV...for 20 years.
Classic, that was. :-)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!