Update: Video of Huckabee's Press Conference.
Was it a change of heart or manipulating the media? My personal opinion is of the latter, and I've gathered several reactions from other bloggers that seem to agree. The way the media is reporting it right now, Mike just made a stupid mistake and it is backfiring already.
Here is what happened via the Caucus:
Mike Huckabee is holding a press conference right now in which he was supposed to unveil a new negative ad against arch rival Mitt Romney.
But Mr. Huckabee came to the press conference and announced he’d had a change of heart and would not be broadcasting the ad after all.
But wait! It gets better.
He then broadcast it for a room crammed with reporters, photographers and television cameras.
The assembled media found the display hilarious and at several points laughed out loud.
Telling you what’s in the ad, of course, plays into Mr. Huckabee’s strategy of getting his message out — Mr. Romney is bad — while being able to say his hands are clean.
So was it an innocent change of heart at the last minute, or a planned political move? If it is the latter, does he really think the media and Iowans are that stupid? Is Huckabee that stupid?
Personally, I agree with Joe Klein:
I don't think so. Not with all those monster oppo "Enough is Enough" charts surrounding Huckabee with facts and figures about Romney's alleged depravities–on taxes, abortion, immigration, guns and judicial appointments. (Huckabee's partially-birthed ad slags Romney for, among other things, offering a $50 co-pay for abortions in Massachusetts.)
That sound you hear rumbling out of Des Moines appears to be a monumental implosion.
Here is Huckabee's negative ad if you want to see it.
—John Stephenson is editor of Stop The ACLU.
Comments Policy
What the heck
December 31, 2007 - 20:36 ET by MikeknaJWhat the heck? I ask again, what does this have to do with "exposing and combating liberal media bias," which is what this site is supposed to be about?
We get it. You don't like Huckabee. I'd appreciate your rants against him going somewhere else, though, and leaving Newsbusters articles to focus on the site's stated mission.
I'm sure some more anti-Mike types will jump in after this and pile on now...
http://www.xanga.com/mikeknaj
What the heck
December 31, 2007 - 20:45 ET by merlin61Sorry, but republican or not, this man does not
have it all together to be President of the United
States. What's he gonna do with threats to Iran or
North Korea, say something, then pull it back,
then say, well, o.k., here's what I really mean.
Duh!!!!!
s '
Mike, sometimes subjects
December 31, 2007 - 21:30 ET by motherbeltMike, sometimes subjects don't interest me, or threads go off-topic, or I disagree with something or other that is posted, like you.
But, with all due respect, neither one of us is forced to read here, or comment. When I find something I don't like, I move on to the next topic. It's not a big deal.
Mike Huckabee = Worst GOP Candidate
January 1, 2008 - 09:34 ET by PopularTechSorry but exposing the Huckster for who he, whether the brainwashed who support him like it or not is important.
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK (Video) (1min)
Ann Coulter: “Huckabee is the Republican Jimmy Carter” (Video) (4min)
Ann Coulter: "Huckabee Stupid and easily led" (Video) (2min)
George Will on Mike Huckabee (Video) (1min)
Another Man From Hope. Who is Mike Huckabee? (The Wall Street Journal)
Christian conservatives: Beware of Huckabee (WorldNetDaily)
Meet the Huckster (The San Diego Union-Tribune)
Mike Huckabee is far from being Reagan's heir (The Wall Street Journal)
Obama: Mike Huckabee is My Favorite GOP Candidate (Newsmax)
The Huckabee Hustle (American Thinker)
The False Conservative (Robert Novak, Townhall)
There’s a Huckabee Born Every Minute (Ann Coulter, Human Events)
"I guess Huckabee is one of those pro-sodomy, pro-gay marriage, pro-evolution evangelical Christians" - Ann Coulter
Background:
Age: 52
Education:
- Ordained to ministry Southern Baptist Convention, 1974
- B.A. Religion, Ouachita Baptist University, 1976
Crime and Punishment:
Mike Huckabee's Clemency Record Is Under Scrutiny (FOXNews)
- Huckabee granted 1,033 pardons and commutations, including 12 convicted murderers
Mike Huckabee Supported Early Release for Meth Dealers (Standard Newswire)
Mother of Dumond Victim: "If not for Huckabee, she’d be here for Christmas" (Video) (1min)
Why parole a monster like Green?
Ethics:
NBC Investigates Huckabee's Ethical Shortcomings (Video) (2min)
A Son’s Past Deeds (Dog Torture) Come Back To Bite Huckabee (Newsweek)
Huck's gift-givers ended up in state posts (Politico)
Huckabee Signed '98 Ad Urging Women to 'Graciously Submit' to Husbands
Education:
Huckabee Backs No Child Left Behind (The Hill)
Huckabee on Education: No to Vouchers, Let Government Fix It (Standard Newswire)
Homeschoolers beware! (WorldNetDaily)
- Huckabee received the endorsement of the New Hampshire NEA
HomeSchoolers Lose Ground with New Law signed by Governor Huckabee (Home School Legal Defense Association)
Fiscal Record:
A Taxing Endeavor (National Review Online)
Huckabee's Fiscal Record (FactCheck.org)
Huckabee: The Biggest Big-Government Conservative (FOXNews)
Mike Huckabee is a Liberal - Updated Huckabee White Paper (Club for Growth)
- Immediately upon taking office he signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- He raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- He supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- He created a $5.25 per day bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- He publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- He proposed another sales take hike in 2002 to fund education improvements
- He raised taxes on cigarettes in 2003
- He opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- He allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- He increased taxes in the state by more than Bill Clinton did
- He increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- The number of state government workers rose 20% during his tenure
- Governor Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President
Tax Hike Mike
- Overall, Huckabee’s substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax
cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his
tenure.
Foreign Policy:
Huckabee: Get Rid of Gitmo (Video) (1min)
Mike Huckabee Criticizes Bush Administration for 'Bunker Mentality' on Iraq (FOXNews)
The Holiday Inn Express Candidate (National Review Online)
The Problem With Pastor Mike (National Review Online)
Global Warming:
Huckabee is the only Republican candidate to support the economy crippling Cap and Trade CO2 Legislation, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Regulation and Renewable Energy Standards
Illegal Immigration:
Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)
Fact Checker: Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegals (Washington Post)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration (Standard Newswire)
Huckabee offered 'no-cost' deal for Mexican Consulate (WorldNetDaily)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says (Arkansas News Bureau)
Tancredo endorses Romney: "You bet your life Huckabee was a factor" (Hot Air)
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
What He Was Trying To Do
December 31, 2007 - 21:01 ET by BourbeauHuckabee was trying to pull a fast one, and use the liberal press as his agents. He wanted to get this Romney ad out, without having to pay for the distribution. So, he called his press conference, delivered his usual blather about running a positive campaign, then showed the ad that I'm certain was on every news outlet in Iowa, as well as all the major networks. Now what that shows is that Huckabee, along with his other Hope AR native, Slick Willy, have no problem playing political three card monte - and they're good at it. In a way, I'm glad he did it because I think it will backfire. I think people will see, only too clearly, the Presidency is not a place for a rookie political con artist. And as it pertains to the brain trusts from Hope AR, I merely add, "Fool us once, shame on you; fool us twice shame on us." It's not going to happen twice.
I said in another forum that
December 31, 2007 - 21:07 ET by AJSHOPEI said in another forum that it must be something about AR governors.
Must be something in the
December 31, 2007 - 21:14 ET by motherbeltMust be something in the Little Rock water, because at least one gubernatorial spouse was affected by it too....
Also Bourbeau, he
December 31, 2007 - 21:10 ET by BlazerAlso Bourbeau, he think's can get his negativity out without seeming negative to us conservatives, being he know's how we feel about the press
He can say " Aw Shuck's" he was a victim or was bamboozled by them and foolishly think we'll believe it.
Of course it's not him doing the thinking, it's his campaign manager's who evidently are just about a finger above being the idiot he is.
You'd think he got em' from Hillary or something.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Uh, Oh. Hotdog.
December 31, 2007 - 21:22 ET by stratmanDid his change of heart happen after a $400 haircut?
He missed wagging a verisimilitudinous crooked finger at everyone while taking a cell phone call from his wife and bringing out his dog Checkers to the podium. He deserves a Silver Star every bit as much as LBJ for this bravery.
What's he going to do next - take a ride in a tank with his helmeted head popped up out like his namesake Dukakis?
This dork may be dumber than Barry O.
Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, dumbass.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
-
December 31, 2007 - 23:47 ET by dahliatraversHe missed wagging a verisimilitudinous crooked finger at everyone
"I did not run that ad ..."
Huck's Dean
January 1, 2008 - 02:29 ET by stratmanHuck's Dean Scream future?
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
"Not only are we going
January 1, 2008 - 02:41 ET by Blazer"Not only are we going to New Hampshire, Tom Harkin, we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York … And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan, and then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House! Yeaararh!!!"
You forgot:
......and Walmart to buy some more hunting gear !! YEEAARRGGHH !!!
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
He was...
January 1, 2008 - 00:25 ET by celatorOf course, Huckleberry was for the attack ad, before he was against it.
This guy is so over his head it's actually funny. And dangerous.
This is like Mark Penn
December 31, 2007 - 21:12 ET by motherbeltThis is like Mark Penn saying that HRC had nothing to do with a staffer's suggestion that Republicans might ask if Obama had ever sold COCAINE....
Why on earth would he show them an ad and tell them he wasn't going to run it?
"Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest???" (King Henry I)
He didn't pull a fast one on reporters...I think the laughter meant that they knew what was going on.
The more I see of Huckabee, the less I like him.
BINGO!!!
January 1, 2008 - 18:47 ET by danybhoymotherbelt,
You hit the sweet spot with on this one, he is just like Penn doing his "I'm not saying, but I'm just saying" act. The only thing in Huckster's favor is he's saying it himself(so to speak). Penn is a hired (soon to be fired...IMO)gun.
Huckabee is a religious liberal, he is being pushed by pro-lifers who will be pissed when they actually see his record on everything else. If on your top 10 issues, 1-5 are abortion, he's your guy. Some of these people are eay to spot, they will have about a dozen bumberstickers touting their issue. Don't get me wrong, abortion sucks, but it's not even close to the top issue for me.
Coulter said something interesting, look at Huckster's record, against my 2 guys, Rudy or Mitt. Mike operated as a very liberal Republican in a swing state. Mitt & Rudy operated to the right in NYC & in MA, not exactly freindly toward Republicans. I want results, Rudy & Mitt got them. I also believe crisis management should be a big issue, & Rudy scores very high with me there. I want a tough SOB who won't fold like a chair the way Jimmy Carter did, I want whoever to use that chair over someone's head in need be. I think Rudy will be that guy.
The more everybody knows about Huckabee, the more he looks like Jimmy Carter.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
Gee a southern Arkansas Governor lying and manipulating
December 31, 2007 - 21:22 ET by Lame CherryGee a southern Arkansas Governor lying and manipulating the press.........after having a white hot temper tantrum over being attacked by a political rival.
Wonder where I heard that before.
*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS
Just more proof Huck isn't
December 31, 2007 - 21:42 ET by Gary P JacksonJust more proof Huck isn't what his supporters wish he was. One President for Hope is enough.
huckabee GOP last hope?
December 31, 2007 - 21:57 ET by shawn228Hmmm, I realize lots of people will not vote for Huckabee even in the general election, but I wonder if he ends up with the GOP nomination, how many people will sing his praises?
GOP last hope???
December 31, 2007 - 22:04 ET by Clear thinkerIf Huckabee is the GOP's last hope then expect me to gouge out my eyes with a power drill.
All this crap about GOP candidates is a sure sign that the libs are winning. John, Mike, Mitt, and Rudy may be Republicans (RINO's) but they sure as hell ain't Conservatives.
If it looks like one of these pretenders are going to get the nomination, then it may be a darn good idea to start a new 3rd party. I would call it "The Conservative Party" and recruit Fred and Duncan to run!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Clear thinker
December 31, 2007 - 22:37 ET by shawn228I will be totally honest with you. I do not know as much as should about Fred Thompson. I know he is what many on this site considered all true conservative. I hear one of his strongest traits are his stances on security and military and terrorism, which I like.
What I do know CT is that in the lastest poll. Thompson is pulling something 1 percent in the latest poll in Iowa.
Yes I know you have said you do not believe in polls. Sometimes they are off and sometimes the poll is biased and inaccurate.
The thing is when an election is only a few days away, the polls are usually dead on accurate. No polls are saying Romney or Huckabee will win, they have them at a statistical tie. Just like Bush/Kerry was a statistical tie and it all came down to Ohio right? Polls have also said the Dems would take the house and that came true, they were wrong about the senate I admit, when the Dems took that too.
Unless there is some miricle, Fred Thompson will be lucky finishing third.
That's bull Shawn. If
December 31, 2007 - 22:42 ET by BlazerThat's bull Shawn. If poll's were dead on accurate, Gore or Kerry would be president right now.
Hard to find an "independant" poll these day's.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Gore and Bush was a statiscal tie in the polls Blazer
December 31, 2007 - 22:44 ET by shawn228The poles leaned
December 31, 2007 - 23:08 ET by BlazerThe poles leaned toward's Gore, but what about Kerry ?
Not asking you to spoonfeed me or anything but perhap's you haven't had as much to drink as I have, I'm a little buzzed and dont' feel like diggin', but I would like to see you post the 80 proof..uh, I mean the proof on those result's.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
blazer
December 31, 2007 - 23:18 ET by shawn228No problem, my back is killing me so i popped some vicodin so we are on the same level of drug/alchohol of thinkin.
I remember a tie blazer and the polls said it there were too close to call, I will admit I am lazy mainly because of the vicodin to search links right now, but later I promise.
Polls
January 1, 2008 - 03:35 ET by JoelCTIt is getting harder and harder to get 2000 pre-election data.
RCP Poll Average (10/27/2000 - 11/1/2000)
Bush 48.9%
Kerry 47.4%
Nader 0.9%
CNN/TIME POLL
October 25-26, 2000
Likely voters' choice for president
Bush 49%
Gore 43
Nader 3
Buchanan 1
Sampling error: +/-3% pts
Washington Post
October 20, 2000 - Will Vote For/Lean Toward combined
Bush 46
Gore 44
Nader 4
I also found this gem during my search:
"They might be even more skeptical of Gallup's tracking poll if they knew that the swings are due in large part to the company's nightly sample having large fluctuations in how many Democrats vs. Republicans are interviewed. One three-night sample, on Oct. 4, had 37% Democrats and 30% Republicans. Perhaps not surprisingly, Al Gore had an 11-point lead. Three nights later, on Oct. 7, a completely new sample consisted of 39% Republicans and only 31% Democrats. Lo and behold, George W. Bush suddenly had an eight-point lead." - Wall Street Journal (John Fund)
Joelct
January 1, 2008 - 04:30 ET by shawn228Your polls all show Bush ahead by a thread, which he did. I believe in the accuracy of polls when it is just a few days away from a election of caucus.
It's A Tie
January 1, 2008 - 12:55 ET by JoelCTYeah, but the polls all show three-way ties in both parties! That's why I am enjoying Iowa so much this year. There really is no clear winner, and we don't know what the heck those people are going to do once they get inside! Woo-hoo!Of course, the Ohio guy was right; Iowa doesn't really make any difference, except to scrape the silt from the bottom of the barrel and leave us with the cream that rose to the top.
I tried to add a third twisted clichéd analogy to that sentence, but it didn't work very well. <grin>
shawn...
December 31, 2007 - 22:59 ET by Clear thinkerFred coming in 3rd in Iowa would be ok with me. In fact, that's what his campaign is hoping for. Keep in mind that Iowa is just the start not the end.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Clear Thinker
December 31, 2007 - 23:37 ET by shawn228He is not doing very well in the polls nationally either, much of nation thinks hes lazy, I do not believe that is all the msm fault either.
.....and if HRC win's the
December 31, 2007 - 22:20 ET by Blazer.....and if HRC win's the DNC nomination Shawn how many over at DKOS do ya' think will begin to sing her praises?
Huck's not likely to win the nomination, but isn't HRC the allmighty anointed one?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
blazer
December 31, 2007 - 22:26 ET by shawn228I certainly won't be one of them Blazer and I will vote for the lesser evil. It will be pretty easy to vote against her unless it is that snake in the grass Romney.
So you would vote
December 31, 2007 - 22:32 ET by BlazerSo you would vote Beelzebub herself into POTUS before Romney?
Romney is hardly the more evil between the two, give us a break allready.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
blazer
December 31, 2007 - 22:43 ET by shawn228Yup,I feel he is a combination of everything, Bill Clintons Sleaziness and good looks, Kerrys Flip Flops, George Bushes stubborness and Clintons Lying
That still doesn't
December 31, 2007 - 22:50 ET by BlazerThat still doesn't explain why you would want' Bill's succubus as POTUS, c'mon good man !
Hillary is a combination of everything you've read in a Stephen King, Edgar Allen Poe, or Lovecraft novel, with Hithcock, Romero, or John Carpenter bringing it to film.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
One of the Great Olde Ones?
December 31, 2007 - 22:57 ET by UnsaneAre you saying that Hillary Clinton is one of the Old Ones?
:-)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Unsane, Cthulhu fetches
January 1, 2008 - 00:43 ET by BlazerUnsane, Cthulhu fetches Hillary her newspaper and slipper's every morning.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
In the dead city of Rl'yeh
January 1, 2008 - 03:34 ET by UnsaneJust remember that in the dead city of Rl'yeh, Hillary Clinton is asleep dreaming.
:-)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Shawn, Romney's a "snake in
December 31, 2007 - 22:36 ET by Gary P JacksonShawn, Romney's a "snake in the grass"? Really?!?
My sentiment's exactly
December 31, 2007 - 22:46 ET by BlazerMy sentiment's exactly Gary. If Romney's a "snake in the grass", then HRC is Godzilla with two armload's of skyscraper's in it's hand's.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Gary
December 31, 2007 - 23:31 ET by shawn228First Unsane, Blazer, CT, and Gary, not sure what coast you guys are on, but Happy New Year.
I have my quams with Hillary, but my interest of euthanasia, universal health care, medicinal marijuana and free speech, I feel Romney will be very bad for free speech.
I'm in central-Va., EST.,
January 1, 2008 - 00:50 ET by BlazerI'm in central-Va., EST., so it will be midnight in about 20 minutes. Happy New Year's to you and your loved one's too.
Sorry to hear about your back, know damn well what that's like. Had mine cut on back in 94', not pleasant at all.
May I suggest your New Year's resolution be to vote for anything but the DNC ? :) -sarc
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Shawn let me guess
January 1, 2008 - 01:50 ET by well99You have Glauoma.Just kidding Shawn.Anyways I dont like Romney but I dont see any candidate but Hillary stiffeling free speech.The Clintons put the C in Corruption.I could care less if they have a D in front of them.They are example of the worst politicians can be.To be honest this election is going to be a choice of the least of two evils again.I will not vote for Hillary no matter what.Hope your back gets better.Been there done it.
Happy New Year all
well
January 1, 2008 - 03:53 ET by shawn228Happy New Year to you as well friend. I heard Romney saying things the other day about regulating the video game industry, I know that sounds like non story to many here, but to me it is scary. Hillary also scared me a few yrs ago as well when she wanted to do a investigation in Grand Theft Auto violence.
I just do not trust him at all.
Shawn To be honest
January 1, 2008 - 05:30 ET by well99Trusting a politician is like trusting a used car dealer.I dont care for him or Huck.Still they are better than Hillary.You know the Clintons set new standards of corruption turning the White House into Super 8 motel.As I said before it would be a choice of two evils and I would pick even Mitt over Hillary.Last time they tried to take the furniture...if elected the Clintons might try takeing the WH with them end of term.I agree they need to stay out of games.That is why kids have parents.
Just a note
January 1, 2008 - 22:45 ET by well99Found this interesting.
http://www.foxnews.c...
Hopefully congress doesnt get their fingers in this.
Happy New Year
January 1, 2008 - 02:04 ET by Gary P JacksonHappy New Year everyone!!!
OK, Shawn, you never answered my question about your "snake in the grass" comment, and now you say Mitt will be bad for free speech? You must have broken out the medicinal Mary Jane early this year! Tell me how Romney will be bad for free speech. Heck, after Bush shredded the Constitution, what's left for Mitt to tackle?
I see you believe, or at least are interested in "universal health care" and euthanasia. One would most like lead to the other. I don't want to be a buzzkill, but WTF?
If you are thinking the government needs to be in charge of your health, with all due respect, you're nuts! Ask all of the Canadian women, with problem pregnancies, that are parked here in the US, 'cause Canada's rationed health care system doesn't have the doctors to handle the problems. Ask those in England what they think of their system, with it's filthy conditions, rampant staph infections, and overall poor care. I could go on.....
If anything, the government should deregulate the insurance industry, allowing companies to have a fifty state rule book, rather than having to conform to fifty different states boards of insurance. That would make insurance more affordable. Like every other problem in the world, the business sector can cost effectively solve it, and provide a better service, at a better price. All one has to do is compare Fed Ex with the post office. It ain't even a contest.
gary
January 1, 2008 - 02:53 ET by shawn228You must have broken out the medicinal Mary Jane early this year!
not much chance of that happenning Gary
Also I am one of few Americans that have tried the both the Canadian and American systems. I say I have received the the same amount of care from both. Nobody I know has died and many respected Canadian members on this site like Mandrake and Snow White also say it is good. Yes it has problems, but I don't know of anybody has died. I just cannot imagine losing the shirt off my back due to medcical bills.
Also Romney lied about hunting his whole life when he has went hunting only twice for pheasants or something and he does not even have his hunting licence. He flip flops and says he is against abortion now for it, He was looking forward to the day gays serve openly in the military now he is against, it. Sorry Gary. He is a snake in the grass
C'mon Shawn "one of the
January 1, 2008 - 03:32 ET by BlazerC'mon Shawn "one of the few American's that have tried Canadian health care" ?
Don't you mean Canadian , dont' care?
Canadian's as well as alot of the trapped, within a socialist medical "paradise, utopia" seem to be on a mass medical exodus here.
There's no need to die from the common cold, or an appendicitus these day's.
WTF? Are you now gonna evolve yourself into a Canadian or something?
I'll buy you a Detroit Tiger's hat and spot ya' sixty pound's and throw in some Halliburton and Exxon stock if you you can prove us wrong.
Funny how our neigbor's to the north can't wait to go on vacation in Florida, and end up getting some, emergency, much needed "unexpected" heart surgery, or cancer treatment, go figure.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Canadian MP flees its health care system
January 1, 2008 - 03:40 ET by UnsaneInterestingly, a Canadian MP, Belinda Stronach, was sent SOUTH by Canadian doctors after getting diagnosed with breast cancer.
And she is one of the lucky ones: she could afford to do it, being the owner of the auto parts firm Magna.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
blazer
January 1, 2008 - 03:49 ET by shawn228have had this conversation many times with
Unsane, before it all depends on you point of view. Many of my friends
in Vancouver had had bad times healthwise, the health system let the
have their surguries and when you want to book an appointment to see a
doctor it is quite easy.
Like I said nobody I know has died, not 1. Yes many rich Canadians come
to the United States because they have money to do so and American
Health Companies are mainly about making profit so obviously if they
can get surguries quicker, they will come to the United States to do
it.
I realize the argument against a nanny state. I mean I do not
believe in affirmative action or even welfare, but I would like to not
lose my money over medcial bills just like I don't believe I should be
in debt in I have to have the help of a police officer or firefighter.
Many reponsible adults just do not have to means to pay for medical
coverage and one bad accident or disease can ruin anybody financially
for the rest of their lives. That is my point of view and it is an
important voting issue for me.
Shawn, it's starting to
January 1, 2008 - 04:14 ET by BlazerShawn, it's starting to get hard to take you serious and I'm sure you'll understand.
Your starting to talk about all of your friend's in Vancouver. I am a native in the American southeast and I no of no one in Vancouver, BC.
If by luck you had one friend there, I am sure you would not have many more aquantances there. If I am not mistaken, do you not reside in North Carolina or Florida? If not I apologize, to you and every one else on 21 Jumpstreet.
I am sure you do not have "many friend's" in Vancouver like you proclaim you have.
Go bullshit somewhere and someone else, may i suggest DKOS ?
They will believe that heartfelt, feel good tripe over there.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Wow Blazer
January 1, 2008 - 04:16 ET by shawn228Did not expect for you to call me a liar, especially on New Years Eve., just watched Dick Clark count down a few minutes ago. Hope it is the alchohol talking :-)
I live nowhere close to North Carolina and I live in the Bay Area i'm sure not too far away from Noel.
I spent much of my youth growing up in Canada and I have made no secret of it, ask Unsane.
Go bullshit somewhere and someone else, may i suggest DKOS ?
They will believe that heartfelt tripe over there.
I actually like Newsbusters Blazer, I would actually expect to hear that comment from Cool Arrow Blazer but not you.
Then I apologize Shawn,
January 1, 2008 - 04:32 ET by BlazerThen I apologize Shawn, but keep in mind there's no moratorium on the time of year someone's called a bullshitter, and Dick clark's been dead for 15 yrs. Now when you say "bay area", what do you mean...being there's many area's with bay's in the U.S.
Doesn't matter regaurdless. If it's "The Bay Area", your still a long a$$ way's from Vancouver and just as a coincidence, about the same amount of distance from Richmond, Va., and me running into a long lost uncle, or some ol' school chum's in St. John's New Foundland.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Blazer
January 1, 2008 - 04:47 ET by shawn228FYI, I have dual citizenship. I choose to live in the United States of American because I believe it is the greatest country in the world.
I have told you this in the past. I remember I was telling another poster that I grew up in Vancouver BC and you responded and said "that figures". . will find the link if you want me to. I have no idea why you thought I live in Florida.
The Bay Area means close to San Jose, Oakland and San Francisco.I have been called a bleeding liberal, troll and many other mean names but rarely a liar. You could have asked me why I know people in Vancouver without telling me to use my tripe in DKOS.
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I will just chalk it up to the alchohol talking, I am off to bed. Good night.
I apologize
January 1, 2008 - 05:37 ET by BlazerI apologize wholeheartedly for mistaking you Shawn with someone else and on your current citenship and locale.
I'll pretend about unlesss proven otherwise your dedication and loyalty to this country.
You can start by not preaching the virtues of Canada.
I for one am not "otherworldly" and could give a rat's A$$ what happen's in other countrie's or what they think of us, especially Canada.
Just keep in mind I cant' apologize for the actual response to your recent post's and politic's, that part rides true.
Now dont' take the highroad and say you think's it's alcohol talking on my behalf, when earlier you admitted to popping copious amount's of Vicodin.
My politic's, value's and ideaologies dont' change from day to day like your's do.
Now there are some here, that thought you needed the right amount of convincing to turn comservative.
I think you came here to for the express purpose of being convinced otherwise and are patronizing us.
Start taking a stand and defending your issues without all the nuanced bullsh't and grab assing you put up.
Your either on one side of the fence or the either.
"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who remain neutral in a time of crisis." - Dante
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi, and your politic's ride true.
on Liberals, and the MSM.
good morning blazer
January 1, 2008 - 12:44 ET by shawn228"I for one am not "otherworldly" and could give a rat's A$$ what
happen's in other countrie's or what they think of us, especially
Canada."
Sigh, I am not preaching the virtues of Canada, your the one that wanted me to try to convince you, remember saying this?
"I'll buy you a Detroit Tiger's hat and spot ya' sixty pound's and throw
in some Halliburton and Exxon stock if you you can prove us wrong. "
'My politic's, value's and ideaologies dont' change from day to day like your's do. "
My politics have always stayed the same Blazer, I might have shifted a
little to the right about issues like abortion and I am always willing
to listen to someones point of view.
"I think you came here to for the express purpose of being convinced otherwise and are patronizing us."
I do not come to NB with the express purpose of patronizing anybody
and If you find a little sarcasm patronizing, too bad because what is
good for the goose......
"Your either on one side of the fence or the either. "
"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who remain neutral in a time of crisis." - Dante
I thought NB was for healthy debate and I agree with conservatives
on many issues. If there are some issues I do agree with, you are
implying I have to meet Lucifer himself?
Hey apologize for being
January 1, 2008 - 13:16 ET by BlazerHey apologize for being an ass last night. I in no way want' you to meet Lucifer, just please dont' vote for her.
Your correct, on many issues you do steer right, but it's a little hard for me to believe that you would think the Democrat party would be better for free speech or that Hillary Clinton would be better for America than Mitt Romney.
If your in the ballpark on conservatism those two issues alone put you way up in the upperdeck.
It's the Democrat's that want to shut down all debate and opposing viewpoint's. You vote for Hillary especially, and I'll assure you you'll be handing your firearm over, right along with your wallet.
Once again sorry for being so asinine last night.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
A region by a body of water as well
January 2, 2008 - 22:08 ET by UnsaneThe Bay Area means close to San Jose, Oakland and San Francisco San Francisco: in the immortal words of Jim Rome: "A city by A body of water"!
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Rambles
January 2, 2008 - 22:06 ET by UnsaneMany reponsible adults just do not have to means to pay for medical
coverage and one bad accident or disease can ruin anybody financially
for the rest of their lives. That is my point of view and it is an
important voting issue for me. So, essentially, government exists to inoculate people from life. Right?
I mean I do not
believe in affirmative action or even welfare, but I would like to not
lose my money over medcial bills just like I don't believe I should be
in debt in I have to have the help of a police officer or firefighter. And power-trippers and firefighters are not necessary to live life, as doctors are not. I haven't had to see a doctor in years because I take care of myself and drive carefully. Therefore I am not paying for a doctor. Yet people want to punish and steal from me because I am doing the right things. Oh, and not to mention, while I am healthy, accumulating money so that if something DOES happen, it WON'T bankrupt me.
Savings accounts. Smart living and sound decisions. Freewill.
How much longer, shawn, before you begin demanding I pay for your insurance...your car, your mortgage, your cable, your groceries...?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Unsane
January 3, 2008 - 01:34 ET by shawn228sigh.....I know very well your opinion about this subject. I just wanted to point out to Blazer that it was an important voter issue for me.
I support the troops in Iraq and I want us to finish our mission no matter how much it cost, the thing is close to half the population of the United States does not agree with the war, yet their tax dollars are supporting this war.
How much longer, shawn, before you begin demanding I pay for your
insurance...your car, your mortgage, your cable, your groceries...?
Probably never but if you want to pay for my cable that would be great, Comcast charges an arm and two legs.:-)
btw, how are you enjoying your new place?
Rambles
January 4, 2008 - 00:27 ET by UnsaneSorry, but you still don't have any business, and never will have any business, picking my pocket and helping yourself to my money to pay for YOUR doctor (or anything else). It's a moral issue to me. I find it quite irksome whenever you, or ANYONE else, decides to run to the government first, second and third for ANYTHING that happens in life that they can manage to take care of on their own.
As for national defense: considering that is perhaps the primary role of the federal government, it is VERY appropriate that our tax dollars are spent on that.
BTW, no enjoying my "new place". It's a storage shed. Long story. I've dropped considerable hints to the NB community (but perhaps not to you directly) about what is about to happen. You might see my production here drop off quite dramatically in the coming days and weeks...
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
unsane
January 4, 2008 - 00:35 ET by shawn228Well, whatever our differences are, I hope everything is okay.
Um...
January 1, 2008 - 03:38 ET by UnsaneCanadian health care can't be all that.
The Quebec High Court recently condemned it, after all.
And if I had a link, I'd show you what a Calgary newspaper says about it. It isn't flattering.
P.S. There are countless ways to lose the shirt off your back.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Pretty good hit piece on
January 1, 2008 - 05:39 ET by Gary P JacksonPretty good hit piece on the Governor. Did you pay attention? Romney was attentive, and showed empathy. Everyone could grasp that he cared for the kid. He spend a long time with him.
But, unlike the dims, Romney has a core value, and he stuck to it. (Reminds me both of Reagan and Bush 43) Real quickly he realized he was being set up for failure. The kid started asking Mitt if he was gonna arrest him. The camera man, or someone started getting loud and asking the same questions, telling the crowd Mitt wouldn't talk to a kid in a wheelchair, and answer his questions.
That was a no win situation. Whatever Mitt did was gonna be wrong, and when the other guy got loud, it was time to move on. At that point, Romney could have been handing out $100 bills, and he wouldn't have made those guys happy.
MS is tough. I have one 40ish cousin who was diagnosed in her teens. She can only get around in her chair. She smokes some reefer to ease the pain when nothing else will Her aunt, my first cousin was just diagnosed. I feel for the kid in the wheel chair, but he ambushed Mitt. Mitt did the right thing. He stood on principal, and walked away.
And if you think Mitt is a heartless SOB, remember his wife also suffers MS. MS is one horrible way to be. In my case, the euthanasia you are talking about would come in real handy!
AS for his hunting credentials, that is so far down the list of things to care about. I don't hunt, never have. Don't care for fishing either. Too boring for me!
The abortion thing is something important to me, but not a deal breaker. The only thing a President can do is appoint judges. And the next President will have a lot of placing to do. SCOTUS will see several Associate Justices retire during the next administration. If he does what he says he will do, he will be appointing those who have the ability to change the law. Mitt and Rudy both have pledged to appoint strict constructionists to the bench.
Hadn't heard the gays in the military charge. I know the don't ask, don't tell policy is a Bill Clinton deal. Although, it makes the most sense. The United States Armed Forces are tasked with lot of responsibility. Most of the guys serving are young, and having openly gay men or women would disrupt the cohesion of the forces. Having one in the bunk house would cause a stir. It would also be very uncomfortable for the gays. If you don't think their fellow members will give them hell, no need to wake up.
The US Armed Services are not a social experiment. They have one mission, protect America. The way I look at it, if someone is gay, so be it. But it's personal. If a gay wants to serve, and is able, by all means, sign 'em up. But they need to keep the gay part to themselves.
Gary
January 1, 2008 - 14:32 ET by shawn228Yes Gary I did pay attention and from my perspective Mitt blew him off and he could have done a much better job of explaining his postion but he knew the cameras were on and was cowardly.
My concern is not his hunting credentials, my concern is that he lied about them. He also said he saw his dad march with MLK, but then he said he heard about it, which one was it?
Sorry Gary, I have an open mind, but It will take lots of convincing for me to even consider voting for this used car salesman.
For a professed Christian,
December 31, 2007 - 23:51 ET by tbbaxter