Update: So I'm wrong...Lets get those boycotts rollin!
URGENT MESSAGE! CALL OFF THE BOYCOTTS!
Rumors went out that Ron Paul was being excluded from a FOX Debate and his fans freaked out, as they have become famous for doing. They called for boycotts and protests, etc. Turns out that he was never even excluded from any debate, and that the debate in question didn't even exist. Oops! Panic buttons off.
Skip ahead to December 27th, when the Union Leader reported that all candidates had agreed to the ABC/WMUR debate and reporter Garry Rayno added a confusing paragraph about Giuliani finally agreeing to the (canceled) January 6th forum, which had already been converted into a simple state GOP brunch.
Due to the timing of this article, there was no way to confirm who will or won't attend the brunch, but it is not a broadcast debate and has nothing to do with FoxNews. Nevertheless, a blog in Washington picked up the story, scrambled it and their "BHDC Staff" reported a list of the candidates who would be attending, which did not include Ron Paul (he hadn't officially confirmed, due to the conflict).
That story was picked up by the AP Newswire, which added some information that it had from a month earlier about the format being discussed.
Finally, the AP article was picked up by Lew Rockwell and passed along to DailyPaul.com, with all the errors intact. Of course, a firestorm ensued on all the Ron Paul nets before the information could be verified. Immediately, thousands of messages went to FoxNews and the NH GOP protesting the exclusion.
Unfortunately, the Ron Paul campaign didn't sort out the facts before sending out a news release blasting Fox for their "outrageous" conduct, even if they did note that the information had not been confirmed. From there, the report spread into dozens of blogs and news commentaries.
A few people try to point out that the story is false, but that doesn’t stop them from posting lists of phone numbers, plans to launch DoS attacks by downloading the Fox News site over and over (right!), freaky rants about the New World Order, and pleas for the “hotheads” not to commit acts of violence.
Yikes! Close call there guys. On the other side of the coin, here is some good news for the Pual fans! He's beating Rudy in NH.
Don Surber reports it was all made up by Big Head DC.
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BHDC's Rob, has no
December 30, 2007 - 15:38 ET by BlazerBHDC's Rob, has no credibility whatsoever. He spread an unfound rumor awhile back claiming to have been in close contact with Larry Flynt about the supposed Trent Lott gay sex scandal.
He doesn't research anything or give proof or any litmus whatsoever to anything, he just passes it on as news and fact and fancies himself an "insider". He's in open war with other lib blog's like Wonkette and Fishbowl D.C., for no other reason than he's jeolous of their traffic and following.
When called to task on his lack of proffesionalism by folk's on both the right and left, he offer's no detraction's and simply slink's back to his cave until the noise dies down and then wait's for the next lie he can sling out across the net.
He's nothing more than an attention whore wannabe and Perez Hilton of political blog's and someday someone gonna sue his a$$ for libel and he know's it.
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looooool The Rocky
December 30, 2007 - 15:53 ET by wiwflooooool
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For me NH has always been
December 30, 2007 - 16:21 ET by Right2thePointFor me NH has always been such a far left state that the Rep side shows up just because they have to.
For most it has been historically only a speed bump on the Republican side and a total waste of resources having little if anything to do with the Republican party as a whole country wide.
EvilCon555 "For me NH
December 30, 2007 - 16:58 ET by EvilCon555EvilCon555
"For me NH has always been such a far left state that the Rep side shows up just because they have to. "
I am currently sitting in my house in NH. And I am having trouble getting the gist of the "always been a far left state" thing. Moved from NY about 21 years ago. While NH is moving decidedly left of center (to my CHAGRIN) it still makes NY look like the old (and new again) USSR. Unfortunately with MA, VT and Maine bordering us we don't stand a fighting chance in remaining free from the grasp of libs - unless our very tiny shoreline is suddenly influenced by the new conservative French political scene - one can hope, right? The day our Governor (D) takes away our gun rights, and implements an income tax is the day I move. I am currently looking for a new state to call home. Preferably warmer than here.
By the way - 8 more inches of snow coming tonight...not only has our weather put a crimp in the campaigning (that is the up side), it quietly cancelled a gathering of Global Warmingists lead by Algore and the Governator of CA, talked about in late November, but never materialized.
As for Ron Paul beating Rudy in NH it's simple. I hardly see a place where there isn't a Ron Paul sign ...funny thing is there are just a few placed on private lawns and business windows. The majority are placed on "unclaimed" roadside, rotary greens, and street corners. For me that speaks to a group of "outta townahs" randomly placing signs, then high tailing it back to MA or VT.
And not one polling call to me this campaign.When I was an independent, got called ALL THE TIME. This year, I am registered Republican, and my phones are eerily silent. I think the Paulnuts are getting called. The rest of us are being ignored - roundly - because while we might not be entirely representative of the rest of the nation politically, we do speak with common sense here in NH. Something the libs fear - 'cause they fear what they don't understand.
The same thing happened in CT, EvilCon,
December 30, 2007 - 19:24 ET by RJ....when the ringers from MoveOn came in to push their far left candidate, Ned Lamont, against Joe Lieberman.
The out of towners also tried to saturate the talk shows, letters to editor, etc, to make it appear as if there was a groundswell against Lieberman.
The only reason they won the primary was that the guy running Lieberman's primary campaign was also a new out of towner, and he didn't understand local CT politics. For the general , Lieberman switched back to someone he had used before and ran away with the election.
Just side notes to agree with you that you can't rely on superficial appearances.
Those liberals are a herd of 'silly ponies'
December 30, 2007 - 16:23 ET by kgThose liberals are a herd of 'silly ponies'.
Like most liberal stories,
they are created to do damage regardless of truth. Once published, the damage
immediately follows. A few days later comes the 'fine print' retraction onthe bottom of page 36.
Damn the Facts
December 30, 2007 - 16:33 ET by Jerry MackIf it can make Fox news look bad then they run with it. Will not be surprised that this lie shows up in Democrat Party or Democrat candidates talking points.
MSM or anyone else, in this
December 30, 2007 - 17:06 ET by GregEMSM or anyone else, in this case "anyone else" should be responsible when it comes to things like this. Ron Paul supporter or not, like Fox News or not, liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat or other, the elections of the President of the United States should be taken seriously and not treated like this boob did. False info on whether a candidate is being invited to in a debate forum, just to stir up crap, is itself nothing but irresponsible crap.
Ron Paul wants to run the country....
December 30, 2007 - 19:19 ET by Lame CherryIt is the little things which should stand out like Gerald Ford not knowing Poland was imprisoned by the Soviets which sort of then and now with Ron Paul should send a message he is not up to the task.
Paul spends more time blasting Republicans, Conservatives and Fox then...........well Dinesh D'Souza who is another brain programmed with facts huckster making a living off of pretending he is a right wing persona.
So Ron Paul's first reaction is to be a REACTIONARY. That kind of leadership gets a nation embarrassed as Venezuela is finding out with Chavez.
Ron Paul's main base are the Jeff Rense, Steve Quayle, Alex Jones types whose main focus on life is hording gold, believing every Lew Rockwell post as bona fide and spreading anarchy.
When Clinton was in office, he was the booger man. When Bush is in office, he is the booger man. When Dems control Congress or Republicans they are the booger man.
The strangest thing in all of this Ron Paul support is this: Jeff Rense and his Diebold (sp) wacko bunch who have stated that all elections are fixed and no one should vote..........with Ron Paul say to go out and vote.
Of course, George Bush was thee most stupidly, brilliant, evil, Christian saint, drunkenly sober, homosexual, homophobe to ever rule and be ruled by Dick Cheney in the White House.......
All posts from the Ron Paul supporter sites in their it is night and day all at the same time.
Ron Paul is an isolationist like Pat Buchanan and as Buchanan and Paul have both been proven ignorant in Iraq now being stabilized (Robert Spencer and Hugh Fitzgerald can join that list too of being wrong.), do not belong anywhere near the White House.
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LC, Took the words right
December 30, 2007 - 19:59 ET by wiwfLC,
Took the words right out of my mouth!
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If that's true, you're both
December 31, 2007 - 09:52 ET by fosstenIf that's true, you're both blindingly ignorant.
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
Huh?
December 31, 2007 - 21:25 ET by UnsaneIgnorant of what? That Paul is a see-no-evil, hear-no-evil isolationist?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
A few people try to point
December 30, 2007 - 21:26 ET by Jack BauerWhy is it these loonies always sound, act and behave like the "activist" types, conservatives loath -- that is: agit-prop leftists, commies, socialist "workers" and liberals?
To misquote Marx "I wouldn't join any club that'd have THEM as a member"
This blogger for the
December 30, 2007 - 22:01 ET by Howard_BealeThis blogger for the Baltimore Sun seems to be on top of the story.
Apparently, everything Ron Paul and his supporters claimed was true except
for one thing: the event is being called a "forum," not a
debate.
Ron Paul indeed Out-Foxed (for now)
by Jason George
Fergus Cullen, chairman of the New Hampshire State Republican
Committee, confirmed Sunday evening to the Tribune that, yes, there
will be a televised Fox News presidential candidate forum on Jan. 6,
and yes, Rep. Ron Paul was not invited when the other candidates were a
week or so ago.
Ron Paul questionare..
December 30, 2007 - 22:26 ET by Clear thinkerHow many of you think the GOP would ever give Ron Paul the nomination? My prediction: Not in a million years! What do you think?
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
The known numbers don't go
December 30, 2007 - 23:04 ET by Gary P JacksonThe known numbers don't go high enough to give you actual odds, so I'll just say this about Ron Paul's odds of getting the Republican nod: Never!
How about the odds of Ron Paul running as an Independent?
December 30, 2007 - 23:11 ET by RJI'd say they're pretty good.
"They are the new greatest generation." -Gen. David Petraeus
For his sake, he should run
December 30, 2007 - 23:14 ET by GregEFor his sake, he should run as an Independent once these nominations are set. But I don't think he has any desire to do that. Number one, he wouldn't win anyway, but number two and more importantly, he'd hand the presidency to the Democrat candidate without fail. I believe that even he would not want that to happen.
Sorry, I can't see the guy
December 30, 2007 - 23:52 ET by Gary P JacksonSorry, I can't see the guy taking all that many votes from the GOP if he runs as an independent, which I wouldn't be surprised if he did. His ideas represent just as many left wing ideas as right, if not more, and his click of Alex Jones, KKK, and other assorted white pride members would probably not be GOP voters.
I could see RP and Kucinich teaming up on a indie ticket though. They'd have the E.T. vote sewed up tight!
He'd never get it. Some of
December 30, 2007 - 23:11 ET by GregEHe'd never get it. Some of his ideas are just too far out there, period, then some of his ideas, though good, are too far out there for the average sheeple American to understand. For some reason, we like our regressive tax system and our IRS, and we seemingly like seeing our tax dollars go to very wasteful things.
I'm not a Ron Paul fan overall, because he's just to far out there on some of the most important issues of our time, but I will say that on tax overhaul and smaller government and reduction in wasteful spending, his thoughts are very interesting and refreshing to hear a politician talk about. Any true conservative would think so, on topics such as those.
Regressive?
December 31, 2007 - 01:22 ET by UnsaneA tax system where the bottom 40% of wage earners pay 0.06 of the tax burden is HARDLY regressive.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Give?
December 31, 2007 - 09:50 ET by fosstenFunny how when any other candidate is mentioned, it's "If he WINS the nomination." But in the case of Ron Paul, he would have to be "given" the nomination.
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
Should They Still Call off the Boycotts?
December 30, 2007 - 23:49 ET by Howard_BealeBest check that link again. Left Coast Views has revised its post:
Ron Paul and his supporters have it right. Ron Paul was snubbed.
Here's the truth that no
December 31, 2007 - 00:00 ET by Gary P JacksonHere's the truth that no one seems to get: Ron Paul is polling slightly above dandruff in national popularity, and shouldn't get upset if he isn't invited to a forum, debate, or whatever else Fox wants to call it.
The same goes for ANY candidate who can't consistently poll double digits at this point. Too many candidates, and the back markers just take up time that serious contenders could use.
Ron Paul is just barely
December 31, 2007 - 14:21 ET by BDRon Paul is just barely outpolling me, and I aint running....
Am I being snubbed by not being allowed into the debates.
This is ridiculous.
I dunno. Why don't you
December 31, 2007 - 18:27 ET by sarcasmoAsk the NH GOP, since they appear to be expressing a contrary opinion...
Whine, whine whine!!
JMR
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Get your tissues ready
December 31, 2007 - 21:29 ET by UnsaneYou'll be the one whining come 15 March or so. At this rate anyways.
(In case I am wrong, let's hold the elections just because, but I am willing to bet that people just don't want an isolationist [note: isolationist is an adjective, so save your whining about name-calling unless you are willing to disprove that] in the White House.)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
In reading Sarc's most
December 31, 2007 - 23:34 ET by BDIn reading Sarc's most recent reply to me, I must assume that he thinks that I must be outpolling Ron Paul even though I am not actively participating.
Or perhaps he would deign to perform some analysis and then tell us what that analysis is rather than simply spit links on the page....
Then learn to read more-carefully.
January 1, 2008 - 04:37 ET by sarcasmoMy reply was about the NH GOP's reaction to the situation compared to yours, and has nothing to do with the fact that RP's now gaining ground in some polls despite all the girlish-whinging here & elsewhere. Duncan Hunter & Alan Keyes (both of their supporters are also outraged!) were also excluded from this event. The NH GOP apparently objects, like it or not. To quote the NH GOP press release: “Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate – not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.”
Some of you seem to think that decision should be made by the news media instead of by an election, at least when it comes to Ron Paul ('standards' tend to get pretty-damn-flexible around here, I've found!). I think the NH GOP is correct, instead, and that a primary election does a better job of decisionmaking than the news media -- even the vaunted & never-biased Fox News. And too bad if you don't like links that tend to refute your words. It's the internet, so learn to deal with 'em sans the whines.
JMR
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Are you trying to affect an
January 1, 2008 - 11:06 ET by BDAre you trying to affect an aussie accent? Whinging? My Australian Liaison officer would not be amused....
How does their position compare to mine? I am not running. If I were to stand up today and say "Hey, I am running" should I be allowed in to the NH Debate?
I think that the platform should be limited to allow for a more free flow of the debate. The current pattern only allows each candidate a few minutes to respond, and not to interrelate to the other candidates (Witht he sole exception of the BEAUTIFUL spearing that Rudy G gave Ron P at the debate several months ago. He is still trying to whiggle off that logic bayonet.)
You cannot have everyone on the dais, where would you put them. And since Ron P has only polled a couple of percent, he needs to go away. Same-same Duncan Hunter, Alan Keyes, and maybe Thompson.
THe "Decision" you refer to is the election. It will be handled by counting votes. However, regulating gaining a spot on the dais is the press's responsibility.
It is not newsworthy to place me, keyes, or Ron P on the dais at this point.
No whining now about your candidate not making the grade.
No accent needed.
January 1, 2008 - 16:11 ET by sarcasmoIt's an English word, as well as being what you're repeatedly-doing, hence my analysis of your whine-factor. As for Rudy, he's got a reading list and a few ties he doesn't want the rest of us to know-about, which might explain our fund-raising ass-kickery, no?? If the rest are so great, how come nobody wants to give 'em much money??? Money used to be "important" back before we kicked such ass breaking fundraising records, after all...Now money's not mentioned. It's almost as if there were rampant antilibertarian bias in the news media or something, eh?
And as I said, it's the NH GOP that has an issue with the media making that decision for us as far as these events go, they seem to think GOP debates should be (horrors!!!) controlled by the GOP. No grades have been issued yet, like it or not, and like it or not I'm still quoting the New Hampshire GOP above, whether or not NB posters wish to be honest-enough to tell the whole story or even address them (see Jack's open thread post today). That's why I'm here, occasionally NB gets busted itself. This is another of those times...
JMR
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Here we go again
January 2, 2008 - 10:57 ET by UnsaneIndeed, "whingeing" IS an English word, but the spelling I just used is British English, as appears in some British texts I read. But, if you want to sound like you are from the United States, spell "whining".
Anyways: fine, you can have all the fund-raising ass-kicking you want. But until that begins to translate into primary election votes, color me unimpressed. By your standard, I suppose John Kerry should be President, as he raised something like $200 million for his run in 2004.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
No, by my standards
January 2, 2008 - 11:02 ET by sarcasmoRepublicans should be worried about just how much money Democrats are raising, and worry less about a certain inconvenient Republican. And actual conservatives (perhaps the adjective explains the problem, though...) might want to pay a bit more attention to a hospitable, fair, and balanced state GOP than to an obviously biased-toward-RINOs news media. Again, the irony-needle's pegged here, folks. Pegged.
JMR
PS You'll love this -- an actual guide!!
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You can talk about
January 2, 2008 - 13:14 ET by BDYou can talk about findraising all you want, but that does not get around the fact that Ron P was stuck to the wall and is still attempting to figure a way off the bayonet.
By the way, Been meaning to ask this for a while. As a libertarian and Ron P deciple, who are our nations allies that you ware willing to fight to protect?
I have no idea what you mean.
January 2, 2008 - 13:24 ET by sarcasmoNo bayonette seen, all I can see is the former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit agreeing with Paul not Rudy the next day at what's now known as the "Educating Rudy" press conference. Sounds like Rudy was burned to me, and the subsequent fundraising-war he's losing bears that out in detail.
I'm no "deciple" of anyone on this Earth. And how much spending are you willing to saddle our grandkids with for pre-emptive war?? (If you don't answer my questions, why should I bother to answer yours??) Go read A Foreign Policy of Freedom if you're curious.
JMR
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The answer:
January 2, 2008 - 21:45 ET by UnsaneAnd how much spending are you willing to saddle our grandkids with for pre-emptive war?? Maybe if the United States, and especially the cowardly nations in Europe (like France and Britain) decided NOT to allow Hitler the Sudetenland in 1938, and pre-empted him to make sure he didn't get any ideas, then maybe we could have avoided deficit spending in the 1940s the likes of which you can't dream of, and avoided the deaths of about 30-40 million people. A classic case of spend a little now or spend a LOT later, in both the currencies of money AND blood.
But you support someone who thinks Chamberlain's approach was the best one. My bad.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
}}---> Bloomberg/Dobbs
December 31, 2007 - 05:50 ET by Cool ArrowRather than leave the door open to Ru Paul for a 3rd Party run, I think we should promote sarcasmo's prophecy of a Bloomberg/Dobbs run.
Sure, we'd be be setting ourselves for at least 4 years of "I TOLD YOU SO" with more links than a Popular Tech post, but we'd also get a year of banshee screams from Shrillary/Obambi.
I ♣ My Seal
If Bloomburg wants it
January 1, 2008 - 05:06 ET by sarcasmoWhat NB members think will be even more irrelevant than usual. And as you've seen, I get to admit that "I told you so" (since nobody-else ever wants-to) repeatedly around here, even without the prophecy-factor.
JMR
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Sarc your last post is
January 2, 2008 - 10:36 ET by Dan The Man 2Sarc your last post is really funny, because teh old adage even a clock is rrght 2 time a day (using 12 hour time mode but only once using military time) but for the most part it is wrong. I think its funny that you say "And as you've seen, I get to admit that "I told you so" (since nobody-else ever wants-to) repeatedly around here, even without the prophecy-factor" and remind you taht you said tons of junk.
The bottom line is the Iowa and NH cacaus' are pretty much irrelevant to the outcome of the election. It is a press the flesh contest for about a 100K peopel who get out an cacaus.
As far as what prophecy I dont know which one you are refering to, but Paul will never become President I stand by that $1,000 dollars worth.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Hey, I'm not the place to bet...
January 2, 2008 - 10:48 ET by sarcasmoThat's those overseas bookies I keep telling you about. But I FULLY stand by my points of both having repeatedly said "I told you so," and in this case the fact that I'm the ONLY one mentioning, much-less espousing, the local GOP's point of view. If you don't find it a bit ironic that NB's taking the news media's side instead of the local GOP's side, well, that's at least as funny as anything I've said this year so-far! Albeit unintentionally...
I'm the one who keeps linking to the Daily Paul (or that cruel/funny Alexa-link comparing the upstart's traffic-levels to NB's!) and asking "what 'panic'???"!
JMR
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Not everyone was fooled
December 31, 2007 - 08:28 ET by sarcasmoIf you actually read the Daily Paul*, which is where I've been. Some of us figured it was both Fox's right and good news if true, considering the results of a similar attempt in Iowa (an asskicking rally next door with about 3X the "debate's" attendees!)...Oh, and not that it matters so much, but here's the campaign's second press release.
Oh, and on the subject of actually fighting media bias, we made the NYT eat their words again. Check out comment #176 for my own personal take on the NYT "journalist" -- and hat tip to the original buster at the Daily Paul. Solely Daily Paul AFAIK, I don't even know if NB noticed the retraction. Happy New Year, everyone.
JMR
* I hesitate to mention the Daily Paul, which has been a teeny-bit busy lately... There's a huge contingent of people who don't understand free speech currently trying to push for the campaign to take political welfare, AKA "Matching Funds." What Paul's very-diverse supporters say has nothing to do with what the campaign is likely to actually do, thank God!
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}}---> sarc
December 31, 2007 - 08:49 ET by Cool ArrowWelcome back. Didn't know what happened to you.
How was the blimp ride?
I ♣ My Seal
Just a short vacation w/family
December 31, 2007 - 09:04 ET by sarcasmoI have yet to see the Blimp, but I love it more than ever. One thing that has addicted me is that google maps tracking-feature with superimposed meetups. Last Friday, they got 1000$ worth of publicity hovering around downtown Jacksonville. Tomorrow: The Citrus Bowl. But it has yet to pass quite this south over this coast, so I'll have to drive or wait if I want to see it. Rides are $5 grand, which is out of my budget, and they're generally reserved for media types whose asses the Blimp people are learning to kiss.
JMR
PS Yesterday I saw the *Goodyear* blimp flying above Brevard. It was raging in all the wind, with the pilot unable to control it very well. So I can understand why the RP Blimp seems to be avoiding this coast a bit! And a Fox affiliate seems to be covering the issue...
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This nut case, RP,
December 31, 2007 - 12:19 ET by jdhawkThis nut case, RP, shouldn't be a Congressman of any party let alone a Republican. That he is running for president is just a joke, right?
He should have been excluded as Kucinich should have been by the dimocrats from any of the past debates. We don't need crackpots running our country. And, RP, is clearly one.
That he is thinking of running or moving to the independent party? should be met with glee by Republicans.
Good ridance!
jd,Paul has the same aura
December 31, 2007 - 16:41 ET by Chris Normanjd,
Paul has the same aura that John Anderson had back in the 1980 campaign. They both may have started off running because of their ideas, but once they gained media and fringe admiration for their "maverick" campaigns, they stayed in because they relish their 'fly in the ointment - ant at the picnic' status. I think there's almost no doubt that Paul will follow in the path of Anderson and run as an independent.
John Anderson
January 1, 2008 - 00:08 ET by UnsaneMr. Norman - I was but a wee tot back in 1980. I know that John Anderson ran for President in 1980, but what was his platform? What did he wish to achieve?
He must not have done much at the polls, seeing that Reagan still snagged 489 electoral votes...
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I'm just shocked at an admission...
January 2, 2008 - 06:26 ET by sarcasmoOf being wrong from a NB editor. ;) I suppose there's a first time for everything, and we both obviously stand by our respective mocking of eachother! ;) Your "panic" line is still worthy of my mockery, since I actually read the Daily Paul, and 'panic' was -- in reality, as opposed to the vivid imaginations here at NB -- the last thing on most Paul supporters' minds.
They're mainly discussing dumping Rupert's stock, instead. Free markets rule. I'll repeat, though, it would have still been nice to see the views of the NH GOP from someone-besides-me on this thread, but I guess that's why I'm needed here -- fairness & balance. I mean, someone needs to link to articles featuring inconvenient facts, like this one...Yep, this is fun...
JMR
PS Since the "false" news story has now come true, you might want to bother to change your headline, if accuracy in media actually matters, that is...
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Even detractors are noting the bias now!
January 2, 2008 - 11:26 ET by sarcasmoThis is getting to be downright-FUN! I'll bet you guys can't wait 'till this one finally leaves the front page, eh? ;) Busted antilibertarian media bias & polls that "can't be wrong" -- my kind of fun.
JMR
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As I suspected but didn't say, Fox News fibbed!
January 2, 2008 - 11:54 ET by sarcasmoAnd (once again) Gambling911 does the real journalism. They decided, and then they tried to distort -- shows some true character, eh? Even off page 1, this one's still providing me with loads of fun!! :)
JMR
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Urgent update...
January 2, 2008 - 13:30 ET by Clear thinkerNews Flash.... We have just learned that this whole thing was planned to embarrass Ron Paul and his run for the White House.
We beg all Ron Paul supporters to please re-start the boycotts again. Contact everyone you know and spread the word. These SOB's will not get away with this!
Thank you.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
As Fox's stock price
January 2, 2008 - 13:32 ET by sarcasmoSinks slowly down the dumper...Like I keep-saying -- this is FUN. I'll out-mock you people 7 days a week on this issue! :)
JMR
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Sarc...
January 2, 2008 - 13:40 ET by Clear thinkerFor once, I agree with you. This is FUN. In fact, it's getting funny as hell and I'm enjoying every minute of it!
Thanks and Happy New Year!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Happy New Year to you, too.
January 2, 2008 - 13:47 ET by sarcasmoI can honestly tell you I wish Fred showed the results TaxHikeMike's showing, because I think Fred's a lot less-dangerous to the country even though he's not my choice. It's a pity more good ideas aren't stolen/shared among Republican candidates...At least the "irrelevant" guys still own the web.
JMR
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So what?
January 2, 2008 - 21:46 ET by UnsaneThey can own the web all they want. The only thing that matters is who, in the end, owns the polling place.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
So, if my prediction's right...
January 3, 2008 - 11:52 ET by sarcasmoFox's (and NB's) bias in this case is gonna look pretty damn stupid in a bit less than 24 hours, if Iowa goes well. It's funny to me that their obvious bias has painted them into this corner. If they'd truly had restrictions on the short bus minus the bias, they could have made slots depend on Iowa results. As it is, Iowa results may make 'em look stupid, and if/when it happens, count on me saying those 4 hated words again.
JMR
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SO not impressed
January 4, 2008 - 00:19 ET by Unsane10% of the vote?
Well, I'll start working on his inauguration arrangements, as well as plan for the dissolution of the Air Force, as it is not provided for in the Constitution...
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Fine -- so Fox was right in thier bias, eh?
January 4, 2008 - 02:43 ET by sarcasmoI'm sure you're somehow impressed by Rudy's showing, right?? Let's see another intellectual tilt-o-whirl!! ;)
JMR
PS I want to publicly thank NB editor John Stephenson. This thread's Fox News Bias Blowback is obviously the gift that keeps-on-giving when it comes to me, hence my repeated links back to my portion of it where Fox gets busted for fibbin' by Gambling911. :)
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Amazing
January 9, 2008 - 23:22 ET by UnsaneI'm sure you're somehow impressed by Rudy's showing, right?? Just as you were 100% sure that I NEVER EVER read Reason. Your dream of an ability to read minds is just that.
I eagerly anticipate you showing where I have crowed over Rudy's efforts the way you have slavishly gushed over your Lord and Master Ron Paul The Shahinshah, or where I have gushed over Rudy anywhere.
To quote Sarcasmo, "reading is fundamental", even though the irony of him saying that nearly incessantly whenever he encounters people with which he disagrees is completely lost on him.
I'd worry less about Unsane's "intellectual tilt-o'-whirl", and start worrying about Sarcasmo's ability to think for himself without referring to the Daily Paul OR the Internet in general, if I were you.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.