After hearing the apologists defend the paper in countless ways, the New York Times puts them all in an awkward position and admits to giving a huge discount for Moveon.org.
The old gray lady has some explaining to do.
Officials at the New York Times have admitted a liberal activist group was permitted to pay half the rate it should have for a provocative ad condemning U.S. Iraq commander Gen. David Petraeus.
The MoveOn ad, which cast Petraeus as “General Betray Us” and attacked his truthfulness, ran on the same day the commander made a highly anticipated appearance before Congress.
But since the liberal group paid the standby rate of $64,575 for the full-page ad, it should not have been guaranteed to run on Sept. 10, the day Petraeus warned Congress against a rapid withdrawal of troops from Iraq, Times personnel said.
“We made a mistake,” Catherine Mathis, vice president of corporate communications for The Times, told the newspaper’s public editor.
Did MoveOn.org get favored treatment from The Times? And was the ad outside the bounds of acceptable political discourse?
The answer to the first question is that MoveOn.org paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083. The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.The answer to the second question is that the ad appears to fly in the face of an internal advertising acceptability manual that says, “We do not accept opinion advertisements that are attacks of a personal nature.” Steph Jespersen, the executive who approved the ad, said that, while it was “rough,” he regarded it as a comment on a public official’s management of his office and therefore acceptable speech for The Times to print.
A mistake? Heh! Accidently on purpose!
Jesperson insisted that he “erred on the side of public discourse”, and that the question mark at the end of “Betray Us?” made all the difference in the world. Hoyt didn’t buy that argument, calling an accusation of betrayal a “particularly low blow when aimed at a soldier.” I’d argue it this way: if I ran an ad in the Paper of Record that read, “Jesperson — Brain-Damaged Traitor?”, would Jesperson still feel that the question mark made the accusation fair?
The Times got caught with its pants down and its biases exposed. Hoyt not only acknowledges the obvious, he undermines the ridiculous meme that got floated about the standby rate, which the ad itself obviously refutes in its use of “today” when referring to Petraeus’ testimony. Even the Gray Lady can’t dance around that.
No surprise here, the New York Times betrayed the US, again. And their public editor admits it. Unfortunately, that doesn’t change anything, nor is it likely to change their behavior in the future, so the Times continues to be just a bunch of liberal bias and BS. Where’s the news in all that?
Apologies should be extended to Bob Owens and others who claimed that the Times incorrectly and impermissibly extended a discount rate to Moveon.org to run their heinous ads attacking General Petraeus right as he was giving testimony before Congress. The full page ad ran in the Times, and I was appalled that the organization would attack the General even before his report was heard. It was a preemptive attack on his reputation and integrity.
The General was quite forthright and blunt in his assessments of the situation in Iraq, and the success of the surge in Iraq is such that even the Times itself cannot ignore that the security situation has improved to the point where the political failures within the Iraqi government take precedence over the security situation.
Viking Pundit makes a good point:
The New York Times justifies their actions by mouthing about the “tough choices” they must make but these choices consistently find favor on one side of the political spectrum and not the other. Watch that stock hit a five-year low.
Face it, the only reason the Times is explaining this is that the ad backfired on MoveOn. Had it worked, the Times would have heralded the free press aspect of it. The Times can run any ad it wants, or not run. It can charge what it wants, although the FEC could cause trouble. But what the Times cannot do is blame its problems on “a cottage industry that loves to bash The Times.” No, the problem is with the Times itself. Just as Paula Jones’s complaint was true, so is this one.
Of course we gotta also give props to Confederate Yankee who first explored and investigated on this idea.
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We made a
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 14:01 ET by bigtimerWe made a mistake....
Blah blah blah....
No accountability ...
Zilch will happen to the enemies within.
Simple as that.
cottage industry:
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 14:38 ET by general companycottage industry: small-scale industry that can be carried on at home by family members using their own equipment
OOhhh now that makes sense,??????.
Leftist Definition GC
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 19:01 ET by acumenCottage industry - A term used to minimize media outlets holding different opinions than those held by us.
Use - It's good to be king and rule over the cottage industry.
Application - Somebody throw the plebs in the cottage industry some coins and make them go away so we can finish up this latest Times editorial demonstrating our concern for the common folk.
But since the liberal group
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 17:40 ET by motherbeltBut since the liberal group paid the standby rate of $64,575 for the
full-page ad, it should not have been guaranteed to run on Sept. 10,
the day Petraeus warned Congress against a rapid withdrawal of troops
from Iraq, Times personnel said.
Wait, didn't they say at the beginning that it wasn't guaranteed to run that day? That they would run it whenever they had room, and it just happened to go in on Monday?
Edit at 17:10
OK, I found it.
While reading this synopsis, remember that the MoveOn ad said "Today, will Gen. Petraeus..... (emphais added)
This was covered in this post about Timeswatcher Clay Waters
This is from that post:
FNC’s Gretchen Carlson told Waters that the Times now claims they offer this discount rate for advocacy groups and for ads that float without a scheduled publication date.
And now:
"Catherine J. Mathis, a
spokeswoman for The New York Times Company, said, among other things regarding the ad policies of the Times, that the department charges advocacy groups
$64,575 for full-page, black-and-white advertisements that run on a
'standby' basis, meaning an advertiser can request a specific day and placement but is not guaranteed them." (emphasis in original TW item).
And here is my comment in that thread, which I believe is pertinent here:
Let's accept that they offer a discount for "advocacy groups." OK.
That's why they got the ad cheaply. Now let's pretend it was a "float
ad" and they even know it said "Today" (to coincide with the
hearings). That would mean that the NY Times editors chose, on their own, to run the ad on Gen. Petraeus' first day of congressional testimony. What does that say about their intentions?
TODAY
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 17:50 ET bymotherbelt made a very good point
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Correction: Now let's
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 19:35 ET by motherbeltCorrection:
Now let's pretend it was a "float ad" and they even know it said "Today" (to coincide with the hearings).
should read
and they didn't even know it said "Today"
almost 65,000 dollars for one page
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 17:13 ET by Lame CherryIn judgment people are missing the point in this as to what Moveon proved:
They proved they are idiots for spending that kind of money for one page of newspaper. (they can buy mine at that price any time.)
They proved they have no propaganda sense as while sites like this give this traitorous bilk play they changed no one's mind, brought in no appreciable new donations nor following members.
They proved are even more left wing than communist Clinton and if one remembers Bob Novak said Rudy got out in front of this, so this helped Republicans.
In the game of Hitler and Stalin propaganda this was a disaster and now the New York Times looks even more like fools.
This was a great win and it will only help Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal..........so please you Soros nimwits buy more Times space and buy often.
PS: Other ad managers will now demand like rates and like treatment which is going to cause heaps of problems for the Times with big rate ads. This is a spectacularly good thing in showing how stupid and out of touch liberals are and is going to bite them for years to come.
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I don't think the ad is even
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 17:32 ET by motherbeltI don't think the ad is even the issue. At least not any more; it may have been at one time.
I think the more important issue is the complicity of the NY Times in the whole thing. From giving them the "standby" rate and saying that they told them they would run the ad sort of "whenever", to running the ad on the exact day they wanted, to lying about it and trying to cover their tracks. It's a great example of "Oh what a tangle web we weave..."
And I hope that the backlash hits the Times not only in the revenue dept, (with others wanting the cheap rate), but in their credibility department, where it will hurt them most.
Job Description?
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 18:44 ET by acumen...an advertising sales representative made a mistake.
Advertising sales representative? (question mark applied for CYA) - Is that what they are calling Sulzberger's position at the NY Times now?
Great Entertainment!
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 17:25 ET by Del DolemonteIt's been hilarious to watch the assorted Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers show up today at some of the blogs to try and spin this story.
Most of them are following standard spin and talking points, saying this is an "old story" or a "non-story", despite the fact that the story has stayed alive for 2 weeks now. And it got even more life today with the NY Times' own admission.
One wag over on Captain Ed's site is even desperately trying to compare MoveOn to Rev. Wildmon's group. Not even a nice try there!
You know it's killing them!
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 17:36 ET by motherbeltMost of them are following standard spin and talking points, saying this is an "old story" or a "non-story" -Del Dolemonte
Of course they are. The have lost control of this story and they are LIVID!! Liberals think THEY are the ones to decide when a story isn't news any more, and when "the questions are not going to go away."
You're right; it's hilarious.
And Now, This:
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 18:04 ET by Del DolemonteThis "non-story" has just been picked up by the Clinton News Network:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/23/nyt.moveon/
Make That A 55% Discount
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 20:26 ET by Intellectual HonestySimple division of the numbers given by the NYT shows that the actual discount price was 45.5% the regular rate. That extra 5% knocked off another 7,100 bucks. Of course we are talking about the NYT where if a poll that finds 22% are of a certain opinion the NYT will use terms like "...nearly 1 in 4..." if that bolsters a bias held. So for example if a NYT poll finds that 22% believe US troops should immediately withdraw from Iraq then "...nearly 1 in 4..." would serve their purpose. If the question was the polar opposite where 22% believe troops should not leave until complete stability is achieved then the NYT might phrase the results, "...about 1 in 5 Americans..." or a bolder "...1 in 5..." would probably fit the bill. Always beware when ratio's are used instead of percentages when reading the LMSM.
Always beware
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 21:29 ET by pbthinkerWas it Mark Twain who said, "There's lies, damn lies, and statistics."? The press is always creative with their statistics, and how they're presented. How many times, in the GW debate, will they interchange millimeters, inches and feet, in the same paragraph, just to confuse the issue.
There's little doubt they know what they're doing.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I know this is OT, but I
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 21:35 ET by motherbeltI know this is OT, but I once read an article that talked about "a type of cancer that is so serious, that 1 in 5 people who get it will die." Makes it sound pretty dire, doesn't it? Until you realize that give you an 80% chance of survival, which most people would think is pretty good odds. People seem to think, sometimes, that just because you emphasize a number, that makes it more important.
MoveOn Caves!
Sun, 09/23/2007 - 21:42 ET by Del DolemonteExcerpt of a statement issued late today by MoveOn (link at bottom)
"WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- In the Public Editor column of today's New York Times, the Times' vice president admits that, without the knowledge or consent of MoveOn.org Political Action, the Times
"made a mistake" in charging MoveOn its standby rate of $65,000 for the advertisement run on Monday September 10.
According to the Public Editor, the Times' vice president admitted that the company's advertising representative "failed to make it clear that for that rate the Times could not guarantee the Monday placement but left MoveOn.org with the understanding that the ad would run then." According to the Public Editor, "the group should have paid $142,083."
Now that the Times has revealed this mistake for the first time, and while we believe that the $142,083 figure is above the market rate paid by most organizations, out of an abundance of caution we have decided to pay that rate for this ad. We will therefore wire the $77,083 difference to the Times tomorrow (Monday, September 24, 2007).
We call on Mayor Giuliani, who received exactly the same ad deal for the same price, to pay the corrected fee also."
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/0...
They're Paid Up
Mon, 09/24/2007 - 08:59 ET by JoelCTSo MoveOn paid the difference? That's terrific then. So just like Hillary giving back the Hsu money, that means no one can talk about it any more because, see, it's just like a Mulligan in golf. The first shot never happened, so why do you people keep talking about it? Can't we all just "Move on"?