New Osama Tape: Was It Fake?

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There has been a lot of talk in the blogosphere about Osama’s beard.Was it fake? Was it dyed?

There has also been a lot of discussion about the politics in the video. Some suggesting they sound a lot like the American left.

There are a lot of oddities that open up questions on the authenticity of the latest Al Qaeda propaganda. Michael Leeden, at the Corner, ponders whether this was really Osama with many good points. Another significant find was pointed out by the leftist site, Booman Tribune.

"Osama Bin Laden’s widely publicized video address to the American people has a peculiarity that casts serious doubt on its authenticity: the video freezes at about 1 minute and 36 seconds, and motion only resumes again at 12:30. The video then freezes again at 14:02 remains frozen until the end. All references to current events, such as the 62nd anniversary of the U.S. atomic bombing of Japan, and Sarkozy and Brown being the leaders of France and the UK, respectively, occur when the video is frozen! The words spoken when the video is in motion contain no references to contemporary events and could have been (and likely were) made before the U.S. invasion of Iraq."

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The Telegraph points the finger to American traitor, Adam Gadahn, as the speech writer. This makes a lot of sense.

Bin Laden referred to “the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgage” and blamed “global warming and its woes” on “emissions of the factories the major corporations”.

A former senior US intelligence official said: “It has Adam Gadahn written all over it.” Mike Baker, a former CIA covert operations officer, said the tape left bin Laden with “the title of biggest gas bag in the terrorist world”.

CIA officials said voice analysis of the tape proved it was definitely bin Laden.

In conclusion…there are a lot of oddities that open up a lot of questions. The blogosphere is abuzz about it.

 

—John Stephenson is editor of Stop The ACLU.


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Its as real as Tara Reids Chest

OBL- Seriously man, Im telling you...its called "Just for Men". Google it or something man.

Terriost1 - so what, you just like brush it in or something? And allah is ok with this?

OBL- Look, all I can tell you is this man, 15 minutes and the gray is gone. The ladies have been throwing their burkas at me all week.

Terriost2- Nice....

Just for Jihaders

Perhaps he colored his beard with the new "Just for Jihaders" product.

It is hard to fathom that a man of Bin Laden's tremendous ego would stay hidden all these years. I don't see how he could resist the temptation to lead, organize and constantly rail against the infidels.

We know that folks at  Reuters and other news organizations cannot spot video fraud.  I'm not sure I'd put my money on CIA voice analysis either.

Who's the original source Moonbats or Osama?

The question is who is the original source of this idiocy, the Moonbats or al Qaeda?

What does this say about the daily vitriol from the Democrat Party and who will have the nerve to call them on it, or will they get a pass as usual?

The fact that you can't

The fact that you can't tell - is very telling:)!

At least this is part of the buzz right now - fantastic:)... 

Osama bin Rather

Fake but accurate.

bin Laden Tape

“CIA officials said voice analysis of the tape proved it was definitely bin Laden.”

Please tell me why, from their past performances, we should trust the CIA these days? There's no doubt that they have been responsible for putting Bush into a negative light, and what better way to keep him there than by showing that he has been unable to capture bin Laden.

The Reagan philosophy of “trust but verify” should be extended to the CIA.

"CIA officials said voice

"CIA officials said voice analysis of the tape proved it was definitely bin Laden.”

This from the same agency that once had Larry Johnson working for it.

A bigger knucklehead one would be difficult to find.

I want a second opinion, please.

SMG 

 

But he is a heckuva running

But he is a heckuva running back.

conspiracy theorists are working overtime

maybe if they got a real job they wouldn't have lost 4000 jobs. wondering if this is a fake or real is as stooopid as all the 9/11 conspiracy theories. i really love the whole thing was blown up with explosives fairy story, but not one piece of det cord or explosive material evidence was ever found, but staplers, wedding rings, jet engine parts, telephones, fax machines, complete cars, etc were found intact. this is just as silly, sitting around pondering if osamas latest attempt to get a high hit count on youtube is worthy of giving a crap about.

i know this is purely my own opinion, but osama at this point is as relevent to my safety and security as a cat turd in a sandbox.

lunaticcringeradio

hmmmm

Has anyone seen Howard Dean lately?

AAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

 

Theres no doubt OBL is

Theres no doubt OBL is playing to the sympathies of the American left. He echoed just about every talking point from the leftist blogoshere all the way to the mainstream MSM.

 

OBL:

 

"In the Vietnam War, the leaders of the White House claimed at the time that it was a necessary and crucial war, and during it, Rumsfeld and his aides murdered two million villagers. And when Kennedy took over the presidency and deviated from the general line of policy drawn up for the White House and wanted to stop this unjust war, that angered the owners of the major corporations who were benefiting from its continuation."

"And so Kennedy was killed, and al-Qaida wasn�t present at that time, but rather, those corporations were the primary beneficiary from his killing. And the war continued after that for approximately one decade. But after it became clear to you that it was an unjust and unnecessary war, you made one of your greatest mistakes, in that you neither brought to account nor punished those who waged this war, not even the most violent of its murderers, Rumsfeld. And even more incredible than that is that Bush picked him as secretary of defense in his first term after picking Cheney as his vice president, Powell as secretary of state and Armitage as Powell's deputy, despite their horrific and blood history of murdering humans. So that was clear signal that his administration - the administration of the generals- didn't have as its main concern the serving of humanity, but rather, was interested in bringing about new massacres. Yet in spite of that, you permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you - with your full knowledge and consent- to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan."

 "This war was entirely unnecessary, as testified to by your own reports. And among the most capable of those from your own side who speak to you on this topic and on the manufacturing of public opinion is Noam Chomsky, who spoke sober words of advice prior to the war, but the leader of Texas doesn't like those who give advice."

 

“the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgage” and blamed “global warming and its woes” on “emissions of the factories the major corporations”.

 

"And with that, it has become clear to all that they are the real tyrannical terrorists. In fact, the life of all of mankind is in danger because of the global warming resulting to a large degree from the emissions of the factories of the major corporations, yet despite that, the representative of these corporations in the White House insists on not observing the Kyoto accord, with the knowledge that the statistic speaks of the death and displacement of the millions of human beings because of that, especially in Africa. This greatest of plagues and most dangerous of threats to the lives of humans is taking place in an accelerating fashion as the world is being dominated by the democratic system, which confirms its massive failure to protect humans and their interests from the greed and avarice of the major corporations and their representatives."

"This tone is in fact an echoing of the words of neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Richard Pearle, the latter having said previously that the Americans have no choice in front of them other than to continue the war or face a holocaust."

 

"So in answer to the question about the causes of the Democrats' failure to stop the war, I say: they are the same reasons which led to the failure of former president Kennedy to stop the Vietnam war. Those with real power and influence are those with the most capital. And since the democratic system permits major corporations to back candidates, be they presidential or congressional, there shouldn't be any cause for astonishment - and there isn't any- in the Democrats' failure to stop the war. And you're the ones who have the saying which goes, "Money talks." And I tell you: after the failure of your representatives in the Democratic Party to implement your desire to stop the war, you can still carry anti-war placards and spread out in the streets of major cities, then go back to your homes, but that will be of no use and will lead to the prolonging of the war."

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of the tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there, which has led to the vast majority of you being afflicted with disappointment."

"And here is the gist of the matter, so one should pause, think and reflect: why have the Democrats failed to stop this war, despite them being the majority?"

 

 

Basically OBL said to the left in the tape " Hey Democrats you guys let me down, what about winning one for the Binnie (Gipper)?"

Is it fake? I do believe so, but that shouldn't take out of context that even though it's fake that these people obviously, and unabashedly believe that their biggest ally is the American left.

When I watched the tape, I had tears streaming from my eyes. OBL has entered the realm of comedy, and has become (if him) a satire, of a satire.

You could close your eyes, and imagine it was the Olberjerk,  Chrissy Matthews, Harry Reid, Al Gore, Moulitsas or any other Democrat doing the talking, take your pick.

 

Full transcript:http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000622.htm

 

Heres an interesting link about the possible forgery.

http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/09/09/thoughts-on-the-osama-tape-was-it-a-forgery

 

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

You will have to muster

You will have to muster some courage, but read this with an open mind - if you dare:)!

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_090707/content/01125115.guest.html

Or just stick your head in the liberal sand and ignore it - hope it goes away, etc... 

Is the Osama tape really he ?

My opinion is thus:

 If it isn't he, or even if it is, he had better crank out another one right away denying it is him, or the democrats have their latest nominee who has definitely sewed it all up for them.

See that's the problem, he sounds so much like the democrats, that we have a hard time believing it's him. Can our opposing party psychotics actually be that far gone ? Yes, they can, and they are.

 If you go back to the tape released before the 2004 election, the similarities are astounding. The same thing occurred, everyone thought it was mostly the democrat's message. I don't believe that was proven to be a forgery. This next one he merely loses it a bit more, or one could say comes out of his religious fervor mind party. Reality is starting to encroach upon him, and so where does one end up ? SAme place everyone who hates the USA winds up - as a democrat. 

 Well, this indicates to me a demoralized, scared, crybaby, whining Osama, and who could claim his whole psyche isn't reeling when Sunni tribes threw his crew to the sand and started slaughtering them in Iraq. That has shocked his whole overblown idiot kookball libbodem persona of struggle for the people. They stabbed him the back, and he's freaking. Waziristan is not that far from Iraq, Osama smells his own corpse, so he's begging for the democrats help, who of course as we have all said for so long, are his ideological partners.

 I don't care if it is auhentically his address or not, the tape makes the points that need to be made, we understand Osama and the demolibs- the ones screaming we need to know the enemy... 

 The biggest 2 things this tape shows are:

1. Democrats and Osama are thoroughly equivalent, except for the call to join Islam.

2. They are both scared, one to death, the other to foucs groups, that radical Islam is actually losing, and RUMSFELD is not/did not.

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Bagdad Bob was a real peson, he really did what he did, and so many in the middle east have a 6th graders education and paranoid outlook, and Osama is no exception. Unfortunately - the demorats and their 60's hippy hatred rhetoric and constant slamming of the USA and rewriting it's history and all the rest HAS INFILTRATED  THE MINDS OF THE MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLE. Osama and the other western educated radicals - all with this twisted sort of view herladed by the Universities worldwide favorite con arist Noam Chomsky - is what all the leading terrorists are schooled on - wether it's at Oxford or somewhere in Germany or in the USA.

 The left really doesn't want anyone to much notice that, but here we have almost the perfect example.

Osama CIA effort?

The MSM is already raising questions how the CIA got the videotape before it was on the web or aired on Al-Jazeera.

They are probably setting the stage that the tape was a CIA effort to embarrass the dems.

If its the CIA

that is at issue, it's a dem operative that needs to embarrass the Bush admin, and fed it to the CIA. Perhaps CNN video auditing software was used.

 When the CIA say it is bin laden's voice, the press and everyone else takes that as confirmation the tape is authentic, but they failed to notice the CIA didn't say that, they merely said the voice is his, not someone imitating his voice.

 Same way the CIA is taken not at their word or what they say- but what the politically crazed msm and therefore driven public "thinks they said" with their hindsight and tremendously ignorant bias instantly applied to a released statement or assessment. For YEARS the public and the press can do such a thing, in unison.

 This is not some CIA plot.

Sport

vote for Ron Paul 'et voila' no CIA no problem

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The reality of bin Laden

In profiling bin Laden, the voice in technical analysis matches bin Laden in his patterns. Sarkozy is Sarkozy and is hardly a name which can be dubbed in.

While video can be spliced, people are not seeing what they are supposed to be witnessing. This release matches nothing Zawahiri has produced. This means that Zawahiri and bin Laden are more than not together. They are not using the same production and they are not on the same play book.

I have been trying to alert people that bin Laden is distancing himself from what he is not saying and that is a nuclear terror attack. bin Laden in his way is showing affinity for Americans and as I pointed out here before there are only 2 reasons for this and one is Stockholm Syndrome and the other is compassion for people about to die in mass. bin Laden was talking directly to Americans in this video and was trying to tell them after the multiple attacks come and anarchy erupts there is a way out. (This analysis is not promoting bin Laden, but is trying to warn Americans what he is doing and his reasoning.)

bin Laden knows that when WMD attacks occur that America will since democrats have taken away all options be left with only a nuclear response. bin Laden does not want to be blamed for the nuclear pollution of Muslim lands.

I have written often enough that the only reason Zawahiri who is an Islamocommunist, the Chicoms and Putin's Bolsheviks are keeping bin Laden alive is to blame him for what is being instigated by them. bin Laden knows this and in his "code" was telling Americans, "You are guilty as I am guilty. You are deserving of sentence, but when the survivors look for a way out, "the teacher" bin Laden is here having shown you the way to end this war which I want."

Director Hayden was warning the CFR this past week of these attacks and for people to be like snots on ABC blogs talking of fake beards and fake tapes have missed the entire reasoning behind bin Laden. As far as I know in public, my work profiling him has been the only one which has pinpointed exactly his actions. Of course, a video of this nature is not going to reveal anything physical beyond the weariness of his condition, because this message was generated using battery power, smuggled out and exchanged across several borders and enough operatives to hide his exact location as his "circle" does not even speak his name as he is that isolated.

bin Laden is not in Pakistan nor Afghanistan. I have maintained he is in the Xianxang region of China as it is Muslim, remote and on the old silk route which Zawahiri himself uses. It is why America can not execute him and he knows it. There is not in any way he is sitting in any region which are nuclear targets of the United States or the Israeli state in response.

There is always far too much speculation by Clinton operatives or people who have never read one word of bin Laden nor know anything of his environment. The only thing which surprised me in this video concoction is he seemed more cynical than before. He was broken emotionally in Tora Bora by America and it has taken a great deal of time for him to mend his psyche to come to this point.

People though are focusing on the wrong things and are missing what bin Laden is telling Americans. He does not want to be blamed for what is planned, because Muslim lands will be struck. I conclude he knows how horrific it will all be for years and that is the reason for his mood, but this tape wasn't about what people are claiming.......it was an urgent message months in advance, smuggled and meant to come before Sept. 11 not as an anniversary of the attack but as his bona fides that his finger prints are not on part two.

agtG 235

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Lamecheri...interesting take

Well, If Osama is in China as you speculate, he is definitly out of reach for the time being.   He is (personally) also about as dangerous as throwing this Video against the Sears Tower. 

The Islamic Terrorists are pretty much Idiots, you don't start a war nowadays without one thing, one indispensible fundamental, you need an AIR FORCE to start a War.  

Don't start a war without one. 

Bottom line is, After one surprise attack in 2001 using borrowed Airplanes, Osama been Hiding.  And while they gave the democratic Cowards some political fodder in the short run, they are running out of ammo in the long run.   They/He are becoming marginalized......and any attempt at using nuclear devices will be the End of them. 

100 years from now, when a child is reading a Textbook, they might be asking "Mommy, what is an Islamist ?" because there won't be anymore of them, as the Mom replies "they were all "Vaporized" in a singular destruction nuclear response incident" during Ramadan....A gathering of Idiot Terrorists.

I suggest that Osama has already Converted from Islam, to a Democrat.         

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

Looking at that video, bin

Looking at that video, bin Laden is tall, lanky, droopy face and eyes, if you take off that beard  . . . . . has anyone checked for video equipment in John Kerry's basement lately?

 

 

Ya, right

I got ocean front property in Nevada to sell too!

Whom at the CIA is making up stories... the language is wrong and the dude could be anyone BUT Bin Laden.

I gotta go with those that say ole Osama is worm food in a cave somewhere, and everything is now in the hands of the "other" heads of the Hydra.

 

The claim is Ole Sarge

that the wording is formed by the American AQ goof from California or wherever who fled in 1998 to go live with the pretties and has the dubious title of Adam Gadahn, the head of al-Qaeda's English language media operations.

 Just another unhinged liberal, that's why the language is wrong.

I still believe Obama, oops, I mean, Osama, died at Tora Bora.

And I will continue to believe that until I see him holding up a current copy of that favorite propaganda rag for Islamic terrorists the world over: The New York Times.

"I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!”- Rick Roberts

CIA Hayden speaks on Friday about the tape.

[ The tape contained no direct threats, but Michael Hayden, the CIA director, gave a speech on Friday, after he was briefed on its contents, in which he said: "Al-Qaeda is focusing on targets that would produce mass casualties, dramatic destruction, and significant economic aftershocks."]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/09/wladen109.xml

Yep, that's not news. Nothing new, we know binny has been shrieking american hiroshima for quite some time, and the US gov had deployed radiation detectors in DC a few years back(hopefully is still doing it), and was walking the "muslim corridor" checking the houses and apartments.

 We can fly 6 nukes under the wings of a B52 "mistakenly" over the USA the other day, but a crumbling USSR or other nuke power like Pakistan where their Gov Intel was a Taliban fortress couldn't possibly have done anything to allow nuclear material out ... and certainly the fools acquiring it could never assemble a nuclear bomb...oh they could make a "crude device" - ( lol 19 kilotons crude ? )

 There's just a lot of nuclear plants around the world. I don't buy it for a minute that any government of the world is incapable of making a successful nuclear explosion out of the required critical mass. Do these nations have 1945 technology ? Ask yourself that before you blather on.

 trying to put on stupid lib hat : Oh well, uhh... it would be very difficult and takes years for these nations to create a 10 kiloton modern nuclear reactor bomb that is used for peaceful purposes.

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 I really don't care, and neither will the instantly incinerated, wether or not the nuclear explosion is an atomic bomb, a hydrogen bomb, a neutron bomb, is u235, has a plutonium trigger, is uranium based or plutonium based, or reaches or misses a certain kiloton explosive power.

 Therefore arguments made as to the quality of it's technological accomplishment or to it's measured critical yield should not be at all part of the misdirected discussion, but those ideations and their implied yet vaguely characterized argumentations are about all I've ever heard discussed.

Like I said, after it's news, noone is going to care if 5% or 70% of the matter was converted to energy in the process.

  I suppose it's the blathering lib idiots way of saying if it won't be worse than litteboy and fatman what the heck is everyone complaining about anyway, or worse yet the lib is so immensely underinformed and so far from the real of basic science they haven't a clue what jibberish is issuing from their partisan holes.

 

 

"I suppose it's the

"I suppose it's the blathering lib idiots way of saying if it won't be worse than litteboy and fatman what the heck is everyone complaining about anyway..."

That's because the libs still believe that 9/11 was a criminal act and not an act of war; and that you have to prosecute terrorists as criminals with all the due process rights of a citizen rather than as hostile combatants. Oh, and they also believe that civilian citizens are expendable in the pursuit of this world view.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. ~~ Ecclesiastes 10:1-2

Jihadists and American Left are in an alliance

There is no longer any doubt that the Jihadists who want to eliminate us and the American Left are in agreement in fundamental areas. They both want to see the USA and its Christian/Jewish value system reduced to nothing.

Quoting from the Telegraph

Quoting from the Telegraph article linked above:

"CIA officials said voice analysis of the tape proved it was definitely bin Laden."

The CIA have been walking around wearing their underwear on the outside of their pants ever since the early days of the Clinton presidency. Occasionally, they wear them on their head instead. In either case, they are not to be trusted with sharp objects, and if they told me that Santa lived north of here, I'd want a second opinion. The CIA has become a liberal think tank, paid for by the taxpayer. I certainly would not trust any analysis they provided, unless it was corroborated by other intelligence agencies operating less like academic athaneums and more like hard core intelligence gatherers.

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. ~~ Ecclesiastes 10:1-2

Where's the blessing?

It seems to me that in the videos that are indisputably OBL/UBL, he has his hands involved in delivering the message.  He usually has the "conveying a blessing" gesture with one hand, two fingers upright, dispensing his messiah-ship or whatever the Islamic equivalent is.

In this one, he may as well have been a card-board cutout for all the animation projected. No facial change, no head turn, no hands anywhere.

I have a really hard time thinking this is a current video of the man unless he was propped up on his death-bed and tied in an upright position to keep him from tipping over. 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

I still think it's..

Taxidermy.

That beard

Might be a ferret? :)

Seriously, if these people want to restrict women to an eye-slit, don't they have any teachings about faking the color of your beard to seem younger if you're a guy?

Of course, that assumes this is really Bin Laden, but whether it's a fake or real Bin Laden, you'd think they'd find a way to do a better job with his beard's color.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

This is a warning!

It's my understanding that according to Muslim tradition, before declaring all out Islamic Jihad one must extend a 'final offer' to the infidel. OBL was criticized widely within the Islamic community for not extending the 'final offer' to the United States before attacking on September 11, 2001. Some suggest that this most recent video is an extension of the 'final offer' to this nation before another attack.

There is also some significance to the dyed beard. It is not just to look young and invigerated as some in the media suggest. I think it's worth looking into.

Glenn Beck mentioned this,

Glenn Beck mentioned this, the dyed beard is basically war paint.

I invite you to embrace Islam.

 

I invite you to embrace Islam.

mono, also check the 2nd link in this post re: the beard.