Hollywood Villains: Leftist Agenda Trumps Audience Appeal

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Yesterday, Big Hollywood's Chris Yogerst weighed in on Greg Gutfeld’s criticism of Hollywood — specifically Greg’s criticism of “G.I. Joe,” Stallone’s new Rambo film and “Inglourious Basterds” — for choosing politically correct villains over the real ones we face today. Chris is correct that turning Nazis into Jihadists is not something a filmmaker like Quentin Tarantino would do. If he has any, Tarantino’s politics have remained hidden in his work. Up on that screen the only thing he advocates for is overlooked 70’s B-movies and audacious entertainment. However, that doesn’t make the director’s decision to use Nazis any less politically correct or Hollywood’s moral cowardice in this area any more defensible.

Where my colleague Chris and I most disagree is with the assertion that Hollywood chooses “politically correct” or “safe” villains because Hollywood is all about the money and therefore wants to appeal to audiences who care what the villain looks like:

The film industry, like any other business, generally wants to appeal to the largest audience possible.  Picking “safe” enemies is one way to do that. 

Two of the most profitable films released this past year were “Gran Torino,” where our hero confronts black and Asian street gangs, and “Taken,” where the henchmen are Muslims and the arch-villain Middle Eastern.

With a $33 million production budget, “Torino” made nearly $270 million worldwide. On a budget of just $25 million, “Taken” made an astonishing $145 million domestically and another $79 million overseas. And before you give Hollywood credit for producing two films with politically-incorrect villains, keep in mind that both are notable exceptions; that only a Clint Eastwood could’ve made “Torino,” and “Taken” was produced in France, of all places.

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To be clear, my point isn’t that international moviegoers flock to see politically-incorrect villains. My point is that is that audiences don’t care what the villain looks like and that Hollywood’s being dishonest when they say different.  

Like the mainstream media, Hollywood’s cry of being money-driven is a lie to cover an increasingly obvious Leftist political agenda. If Hollywood really is all about making money by “appealing to the largest audience,” why no follow up to one of the most profitable films of all time, “The Passion of the Christ?” Why the three-year run of A-listers starring in box-office embarrassments with the most politically correct villain of them all: Americans in the Middle East? Define these films any way you want, I define them as loss-leaders to put Democrats in office. 

Money-driven industries don’t keep making Edsels and ignore the Mustang.

Filmmakers and producers with access to Box Office Mojo know that whether politically “correct” or “incorrect,” who the villain is has nothing to do with box office. “Torino” and “Taken” were monster hits because they’re both extremely satisfying films. If there’s a single quality that made them successful that bucks the current Leftist Hollywood agenda, it’s their lack of moral equivalence. Both are straightforward good versus evil stories with a protagonist willing to sacrifice everything for something bigger than himself.

Because the human condition knows no boundaries, it’s old-fashioned heroism international audiences crave, not “safe, politically correct” villains.

“Basterds” only proves this point. “Politically correct, safe” Nazis are not what’s drawing audiences but rather the vicarious pleasure of watching something Hollywood doesn’t give us enough of: the delicious spectacle of evil receiving a reckoning at the hands of American good guys.

Both “G.I. Joe” and “Superman Returns” are all-kinds of politically correct. Neither, however, is likely to break even for years to come. “Spider-Man,” “Iron Man,” “The Dark Knight” and “300″ are a diverse mix of villains but pretty straight-forward in the good versus evil department … and all are monster hits.

Here are two other major areas of disagreement:

With the current economy, filmmakers don’t want to risk losing any potential audience.  Even when ticket sales are up, filmmakers may not want to pick sides on an issue. 

The decisions surrounding “G.I. Joe” and “Basterds” and so many politically correct others had nothing to do with the economy. They were in the works long before the recession hit. But this idea that directors keep their politics ambiguous and “not pick sides on an issue” disregards a never-ending avalanche of anti-Iraq, anti-Bush, pro-Leftist films that never stop flopping.

Hollywood doesn’t always like a clear line between good and evil, so in order to lock a distributor, a director might keep his or her politics ambiguous (especially if those politics are right of center).

On the left, I would say this is the exact opposite of what’s happening. Over the past ten years directors have become less and less politically ambiguous, and I would argue, increasingly strident with their on-screen agendas. This is why the adult drama is all but dead today. The agenda turns off a mainstream audience tired of paying ten bucks to be insulted and in turn no longer trusts Hollywood with anything other than tentpoles. Liberal audiences stay away because political stridency makes for bad filmmaking.

On the right, sympathies hidden and made ambiguous in fantasy films like “300″ and “The Dark Knight” have nothing to do with anything other than an intolerant film and media industry poised to pounce. The personal attacks leveled against a pre-drunk driving Mel Gibson before anyone had seen “The Passion,” and David Zucker and Jon Voight make clear that there’s a heavy price to pay for political apostates.

It comes down to this Gutfeld quote from the Yogerst piece:

“It is distasteful to consider a battle between good and evil if it’s happening now, because then you have to choose sides.”

For my money, mainstream Hollywood has chosen sides, and not ours. And that choice has nothing to do wanting to “appeal to the broadest audience possible.”

It’s not the economy stupid, it’s the agenda.

Originally published at Big Hollywood on September 2.


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I liked "Taken"

I saw "Taken" on DVD.  Nice family and American values by Liam Neeson's character (and even from the ex-wife and her new husband).  Then there's the French characters.

Me, too.

Never saw nor heard of "Taken" until my library offered it on DVD.  I was, well, "Taken".  It was excellent.  Loved it.

Followup to the Passion?

The Passion is kind of a hard act to follow ...

It was too easy a joke to let pass. Sorry. I actually agree with you. And I think you make a great point that the proof is that the audience doesn't care who the enemy is. After all, Hollywood has no hesitation making villains out of other Americans, does it? And Dan Brown has made a career making completely gratuitous charges against the Catholic church, and yet Catholics read his book as much as any other group. So I think you're right.

Taken was terrific

The thing I most enjoyed about Taken is the protagonist played by Liam Neeson did not pussy foot around.  He killed the bad guys without remorse.  Too often in Hollyweird movies the protagonist struggles with the fact that they have to kill the scum of the earth.

My wife and I love movies but, it is to the point where we have a difficult time finding a decent non leftest movie to attend.

For anybody who has not seen it, I highly recommend that you see Taken... or Gran Tarino for that matter.  I consider them to be the best two movies of the year.

These movies have characters that I think of as representing what it means to be true American heroes.

Just saw Taken over the

Just saw Taken over the weekend, too, and loved it. This shrubber is a big Neeson fan, and the villian's religion had nothing to do with sex slave trade, other than the one bad guy was obviously Mooslim.

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Neeson fan?

when his movie about perv Kinsey was a flop, Neeson went on every tv show he could to sneeringly denounce Christians as the reason.

Having thus proved his bona fides to Hollyweird, he was given a lead role as an anti-Catholic Catholic in "City of God".

I'd say he's a proven liberal and so I'd have to see this movie to figure out what the catch is. But a very quick scan of the wikipedia article maybe gives a clue: it's a rich Arab that buys the girl?

Well, aren't the rich establishment Arabs (especially in Sauda Arabia) the ones who are precisely the hated enemies of bin Laden and other jihadists?

So what? You can't enjoy

So what? You can't enjoy movies starring a liberal?

no

and I don't want to effectively give money amd/or approval to them, either

That's...sad. 

That's...sad. 

Are you thinking of

Are you thinking of "Kingdom of Heaven"?

Wuoldn't Neeson's role in the Narnia movies put him back into good standing with you? I guess not. 

At any rate, you can be angry and bitter and unable to distinguish reality from movies, while Bal and I enjoy the copious amount of good movies full of actors we may not necessarily agree with in them.

 

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we avoid anything "critically acclaimed"

burned way too many times.  

We enjoyed Gran Torino and Taken.   We very much enjoy the mindless hero movies too.  Can we not just save the world from plain old garden variety evil for once.

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Hollywood and Muslim Terrorists

One of the odd things is that Hollywood made more movies where Muslim terrorists were the bad guys BEFORE 9/11. Remember "Executive Decision" with Kurt Russell or "True Lies" with Arnold, not to mention "Back to the Future," where Doc Brown gets shot down dead by Arab terrorists in the beginning of the movie? I recall some Muslim groups complaining about "True Lies," but back then, nobody paid attention to them...Hollywood just made movies like "The Siege" where Muslims are wrongfully blamed for terrorism as a sort of mea culpa.

Yet, after Muslim terrorists kill thousands of Americans, Hollywood could no longer bring itself to admit that Muslims could actually be responsible for terrorism, since by doing so, it might justify the Evil Bush/Cheney War on Terror. That's why the "real terrorists" were always closet Nazis or part of a "government conspiracy."

Chuck Norris

I think you forgot to mention Delta Force in there, where Chuck Norros kills Muslim Terrorist hijackers.  It did well and many action film fans list it as one of his best movies along with Lee Marvin. 

"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."

I liked both "Taken" and

I liked both "Taken" and "Gran Torino."

A critic's opinion is no better than mine, and we probably don't have the same taste. However, I also liked "Superman Returns" in spite of the political correctness.

The fact that they keep rewarding (and awarding) anti-America, anti-family, and perverted fare just proves that they do not make movies that they think Americans want to see...they make movies to impress their peers.

they do not make movies

they do not make movies that they think Americans want to see...they make movies to impress their peers.

Another term for this would be Artistic Integrity.

Fear not, there will always be plenty of Hollywood hacks to make wastes-of-celluloid like Paul Blart and anything with Matthew McConaughey.

~Oh, come ON

Movie-making is a business, just like anything else. You make stuff that sells or you go out of business. Artistic Integrity is a cold mistress, and she doesn't pay any bills.

 

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

artistic integrity

that's what you have after you've made it big and don't have to worry about things like ... oh.. food. :)

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Yet, consider how many

Yet, consider how many young filmmakers begin with decidedly non-pandering, non-mainstream projects.  You think McDonagh pitched In Bruges, or Tarantino pitched Reservoir Dogs, because they thought they'd appeal to the masses?  Not a chance.  Fortunately, these films were so acclaimed, in spite of their refusal to pander to American sentimentality, that those directors (the latter more than the neophyte former, but I suspect we will see more of him) eventually become household names and wealthy to boot...often without having to compromise their work.  In other words, the exact opposite scenario of the one you describe.

not familiar with

all of Tarantino's work but I have to think that he did things that are not blockbuster resume worthy before Reservoir Dogs.  Coming from my own personal experience I'd have to say that it wasn't until I was making enough to pay the bills (ie : eat) that I felt I could be more discerning about the work I took and could feel better about it.  Are you in the movie field Jason?

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Reservoir Dogs was his

Reservoir Dogs was his first film.*  At the time, he was working as a video store clerk.  Imagine the overwhelming impulse to make a movie that would net him a million dollars, some insipid romantic comedy or an action flick where all the bad guys die in the end and the hero gets the girl.  Nope, he made Reservoir Dogs, a huge risk that paid off.  This is what I mean by artistic integrity.  I have no doubt that other filmmakers do it differently.

I'm not a filmmaker, but yes.

*Technically, one could say True Romance was his first film, since before he wrote the script before RD but didn't get it produced until much later, but if you've seen True Romance you know it's not exactly family friendly fare either.

ehehe

can't think of much that Tarantino made that was.  I have no doubt that many artists do it differently.  I was darn happy when I graduated past "draw this picture of my kid/dog/cat".  (not that I don't love children and animals)

I think you're comparing a film making genius unfairly to the rest of the drek out there.  For every Tarantino there is some 1000 goofballs making "how to use your espresso maker" videos and a whole lot of in-betweens who have to comfort themselves with "well, it's a living".

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Well true, but we're

Well true, but we're talking about theatrical-release narrative film here.

Not for the faint of

Not for the faint of heart...don't say you weren't warned:

Scene from True Romance

Scene from Reservoir Dogs

Reservoir Dogs is a remake

Reservoir Dogs is a remake of a Hong Kong cop movie.  I'm not sure if it's one of Chow Yun Fat's earlier films, but I do know it's supposed to be an almost identical remake, except for the dialogue.

Tarantino seems to like bad movies and then tries to reimagine them with better scripts.

He borrows a lot from bad movies. 

So why doesn't Hollywood

So why doesn't Hollywood just start making 2-hour montages of caucasian Americans waving flags, homeschooling their kids, and shooting Islamic terrorists and ethnically-ambiguous street punks with .50 Desert Eagles?  According to the conventional wisdom on this site, that's what Americans want in cinema.  And for the love of God, don't even think about challenging their conceptions of good and evil!

If both suppositions on this thread were true;

a) Unproblematized patriotism is what "real Americans" want to see in film.

and

b) Filmmaking is about profit more than anything else.

then the kind of film summarized above is what we'd be getting.  Clearly, at least one of these suppositions is incorrect.  I'd say both.

One might also consider that big-budget Hollywood moviemaking is not the end-all be-all of cinema.  Europe has been rivaling us in film quality since Hitchcock died.  

 

You can do better than this

One might also consider that big-budget Hollywood moviemaking is not the end-all be-all of cinema.  Europe has been rivaling us in film quality since Hitchcock died.  Please.  Movies just plain suck with few exceptions, especially in recent years.  And Hitchcock?  GROSSLY overrated with the exception of Psycho.

  So why doesn't Hollywood just start making 2-hour montages of caucasian Americans waving flags, homeschooling their kids, and shooting Islamic terrorists and ethnically-ambiguous street punks with .50 Desert Eagles?  According to the conventional wisdom on this site, that's what Americans want in cinema.  And for the love of God, don't even think about challenging their conceptions of good and evil!  I think you are taking things to unnecessary extremes here.  Disappointingly, you even play the race card here. 

I don't think people mind if people's conceptions of good and evil are challenged as long as it is in the context of a (gulp!) good story.  But this has been lost on Hollywood as of late. 

I MIGHT see Inglorious Basterds...if I do, it will mark the first time I have been in a movie theater since May 2007.  I didn't even enter movie theaters when they were free and had additional incentives to go in, because the quality of movies is just so crappy (and I am not much for visual arts anyways). 

P.S. Get away from Europe and go to Asia.  Japan and Korea have made some good movies in the past several years. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Oh, you did not just put

Oh, you did not just put down Hitchcock.  He only pretty much invented what we now think of as contemporary cinema.  Psycho - the originary horror/suspense film.  39 Steps and North by Northwest - the template for spy thrillers.  Vertigo - the granddaddy of psychological thrillers.  I could go on and on.  There's not happening to like certain films, and then there's being ridiculous.

My tableau of what the "typical American" wants is obviously parodic and exaggeratory, but nonetheless, there is the sense on many boards devoted to this topic that the ideal film for this demographic is one in which the Americans are good, the non-Americans are bad, and if you add even a wiff of complexity or shade of gray to this formula, it's un-American.  I stand by the racial dig; Gran Torino, though a good film, has won a devoted conservative cult following because Eastwood defends his property without relying on what you would surely label the agents of the nanny state.  However, that he defends it against aggressively ethnic characters seems to bolster its appeal.  Ditto the fact that people are griping on this board about Tarantino not making Inglorious Basterds about Islamic terrorists...as if he could just switch it from a WWII film to a contemporary film with the flick of a switch.  Basically, these malcontents are pissed that he didn't make a completely different film.

You should totally see IG.  Even if you don't care for its politics (and I disagree that it's apolitical), the sheer spectacle is just breathtaking.  I think people forget, because he's so hyped sometimes, what an astonishing filmmaker Tarantino is.

I'd actually say that the U.S. is making the best films right now, but that Europe is on our heels.  If you make the effort to get past what is advertised during primetime and what's playing at your local megaplex, I think it's fair to say we are in the midst of an American Film Renaissance.  You're right, though, that Asian cinema is hugely interesting.  Roger Ebert, in his review of Oldboy, claimed that Korean cinema is currently the most creative in the world.

Modern day McCarthyism, Korean cinema, rambles

 Oh, you did not just put down Hitchcock.  He only pretty much invented what we now think of as contemporary cinema.  Psycho - the originary horror/suspense film.  39 Steps and North by Northwest - the template for spy thrillers.  Vertigo - the granddaddy of psychological thrillers.  I could go on and on.  There's not happening to like certain films, and then there's being ridiculous.  Oh, but I DID.  And I stand by that.  I enjoyed Psycho as much as anyone else, but I have yet to see another film of his I liked to the same degree.  And I hated - despised - North by Northwest.  So it has a chase scene that terminates on Mount Rushmore.  So what? 

My tableau of what the "typical American" wants is obviously parodic and exaggeratory, but nonetheless, there is the sense on many boards devoted to this topic that the ideal film for this demographic is one in which the Americans are good, the non-Americans are bad, and if you add even a wiff of complexity or shade of gray to this formula, it's un-American.  I stand by the racial dig; Gran Torino, though a good film, has won a devoted conservative cult following because Eastwood defends his property without relying on what you would surely label the agents of the nanny state.  So, if you wish to stand by your mindless dig  -a product of your deep belief that there is a racist under every bed - are Texans who possess concealed handgun permits racists?  Am I a racist for having a gun on my premises, because 1) I need it for target practice and 2) as a Korean proverb states, "The law is far, the fist is near"?  Well? 

As for the agents of the Nanny State - you are purposely misunderstanding my definition of the Nanny State.  The guys who wear blue and believe themselves to be completely above everything because someone gave them a gun and a badge are called the Power Trippers.  While there are a few who are professionals and actually give a damn about their profession, and how they are perceived by the public, many - far too many - believe that we work for them, not the other way around.  In any event, even if I could fully support them - and I wish I could but their behavior and actions prevent this - if I need them, they will be here in four minutes, whereas I can resolve the problem without them in seconds.  (Especially in the case of a break in, in which case the Power Trippers will arrive merely to take a statement.) 

However, that he defends it against aggressively ethnic characters seems to bolster its appeal.  The key word is seems.  Again, you are chomping at the bit, aching to label everything you see as racist somehow.  This is apparently a product of perception.  (IIRC, it was William Raspberry who blasted Sleepless in Seattle as a obviously racist movie because there were "no black people" in it.  That was a stupid commentary and from all I can gather about Gran Torino, yours is the same, and that is extremely disappointing to me.)   Now, I will be clear about this: I have not seen the movie, and nor will I. 

I am a fan of Tarantino, I must admit.  When the Kill Bill movies came out I stopped everything to see their premieres.  (I like to watch movies, when I find movies worth watching, on opening night.  Just a thing I have.)  Pulp Fiction is one of my absolute favorite movies of all time. 

You want a spectacular Korean movie?  Check out Tae Guk Gi.  If social commentary is more your speed, I would suggest the comedy Attack the Gas Station!

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

And exactly what is

And exactly what is artistic integrity?

Apparently in Hollywood it means making movies that fulfill the values and opinions held by oneself and one's peers.  

Wow.  That really takes a lot of courage. 

And Jason, if "artistic integrity" is the be-all and end-all for Hollywood, why do actors always say that the "People's Choice" award is the best one, because it is awarded by the fans?

So certain filmmakers make

So certain filmmakers make the films that they do because they are more concerned with getting in with leftist-types than they are with making big bucks?  You might want to hash that one out with choselife.

Not that I'm suggesting all left-leaning films are artistic and non-pandering.  But the presence of what you consider anti-American, anti-family, and perverted elements (just that very phrasing suggests hysterical reactionaryism) does not imply that the filmmaker is championing those things.

Jason, the fact is that

Jason, the fact is that Hollywood continues to make R-rated and America bashing  movies, because that's what they want to make, even though G and PG rated movies: uplifting, patriotic family fare, if you will, make more money at the box office.

I don't pretend to understand it.  It just is.

 

And, assuming your

And, assuming your example-bereft "fact" is in fact a fact, then the fact that these films continue to be made is an indicator of artistic integrity, i.e. the insistence on making the film one wants to make rather than the one that will be most profitable.  The fact that big-money producers allow this to happen makes me doubt the facticity of this fact.

~So what you're saying is...

Filmmakers are in it just to make the films they want to make...regardless of whether or not they turn a profit at the box office? 

 

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

Many are.  They are

Many are.  They are artists.  Others are not.  They are businessmen.

I would argue that most film legends - Hitchcock, Scorsese, Godard, Lynch, the Coens - are the ones who manage to straddle the line.

~I thought

That the director was the one with the artistic vision and the producer was the businessman. And that they try to work together to make something good that sells.

Some movies become cult classics, some are before their time, and some simply don't resonate with the public at all. I think the point made here is that there are relatively few movies being made lately that resonate with the public. Seems to me that the whole point of artistry is to create something that resonates with people.

Ugh, I should have thought up a couple of synonyms for 'resonate' but I need to go put the kids in bed now!

 

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

Jason, I know I have read

Jason, I know I have read articles (more than one) documenting the disparity.  I'm not very good at searching on the Internet, but I am trying to find one.  When I do I will post the link.

PS: Facticity ?????

On the other hand, we may be talking about different things, i.e. leftist subject matter vs. MPAA ratings. I realize now  I kind of conflated the two; apologies for that. But the two things are sort of related.

The producers apparently have money to burn if they insist on making movies for "integrity" when many don't want to see them. 

 

 

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Once I realized I'd used the word fact twice in one sentence, I thought it would be fun to see how many times I could use it in the whole post and still produce something semantically coherent.

Ok, you got me. 

Ok, you got me.  LOL

However, this whole blogpost that we are commenting on proves that attracting an audience is not their first goal.

facticity of the fact?

Coherent yes, but slightly redundant.  Nonetheless, thanks for the new word. 

BTW, did you know the proper spelling is "just deserts" and not "just desserts"?  I'm betting you did.

Jer

Yes, but in that case

Yes, but in that case "deserts" does not refer to a dry sandy area of land, but (ironically) a reward.

And Jason, if "artistic

And Jason, if "artistic integrity" is the be-all and end-all for Hollywood, why do actors always say that the "People's Choice" award is the best one, because it is awarded by the fans?

Because it's good P.R.  

First, the movies that

First, the movies that people focus on are a small portion of Hollywood's output. MOST of the movies made are made because someone thinks they're going to make money. Then there are pet projects, which are the more opinionated movies, less commercial. 

As for "perverted," depends on what your definition is.

 

Got It All

Great, great insight. And it's been "the agenda, stupid" for years.

the most recent Rambo film was fantastic

if any of you good folks here at Newsbusters want to see a great action movie and haven't already, check out last years 'Rambo'. Rush had Stallone on that week after he saw a sneak preview of it and loved it after initially being skeptical.

 The plot is that cynical world-hating John Rambo is talked into taking a group of well meaning but dangerously naive "we're going to change the world!" missionaries into war-torn Burma to hand out medicine to refugees and ends up having to go back and rescue them from one of Burma's raping/pillaging/murdering army units after they are taken hostage.

 The action is extreme, it's VERY well edited, there's no lulls or boring parts, no gratutious love scenes, and a message that conservatives can appreciate: Things don't change without someone making an effort, but you can't be naive or reckless about how to do it. 

 One of my favorite exchanges:

Missionary: "We trying to save lives!"

John Rambo: "Are you bringing any weapons?"

Missionary: (shocked) "of course not!"

John Rambo: "You ain't changin' nothing"

 Just be warned, it's an EXTREMELY bloody and violent film, but accuratly depicts the horrors of the real and ongoing Burmese civil war. And the final five minutes of the film was a brilliant way to wrap up the Rambo franchise.

Jnoble,

the quote is great.  Just insert Doctors without Borders for Missionary, and  just about any soldier, Marine, Airman/woman or sailor in Afghanistan, or other places, for John Rambo.

Kiss of Death

Grand Torino's ending reminded me quite a bit of the original "Kiss of Death", the 50's version with Victer Mature and Brian Donlevy. Richard Widmark plays a psycho to end ALL movie psycho's in Tommy Udo, the giggling killer of old ladies in wheelchairs. Both movies end with the protagonist willing to sacrifice his life for loved ones. Both of these extremely violent and realistic movies demonstrate the power of love and condemn perversion and criminal behavior. Excellant. Check out the old 50's film noirs, you will love them.

Remember"The Sum of all Fears?"

 I couldn't wait to see the movie after reading Clancy's book.

Nazis were substituted for radical muslims as the bad guys in the film.

I watched the film a second time with the directors comments enabled. Clancy was a part of the discussion, and wow, was it amusing when Clancy pointed the swap out to the director. He babbled more than a bit trying to justify the change.

I also remember an interview by a national news anchor a day or two after 9-11.

Clancy was the guest, opining on what steps the Government would take against the the perpitrators. The issue of spying came up, Clancy referred to spies as "spooks", and I thought the anchor was going to crawl up inside herself. I don't recall seeing a whole lot of Clancy interviews after that.

 

The best thing about dating a homeless person is that at the end of the date, you can drop them off anywhere.

Do not get me started!

 I read The Sum of All Fears in less than a week when I was 17.  I about had a literary (never mind, this is a family friendly blog, right?).  It was a GREAT book!  I could not wait to see the movie! 

THAT HATCHET JOB!!!

At first I was disappointed.  Then I was p***ed!!! 

(P.S. When the bomb went off in the movie, a violation of movie protocol occurred as well.  You cannot depict a nuclear detonation in ANY movie without the footage of the trees, regardless where the scene is supposed to take place.  It can happen underwater, in the Sahara, at the South Pole, wherever - the tree footage MUST be shown.)

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Uns, Sum of All Fears was the one Clancy-inspired movie...

...that I refused to go see.

-Haven't seen it to this day.

-Dave

Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz 

Me neither. Just couldn't

Me neither. Just couldn't see Affleck as Jack Ryan after Hunt for Red October and Harrison Ford in the other movies.

RE: Started

 Comforting to know that I didn't possess the only nerve on the planet that was struck.

You are spot-on about the trees. 

 

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What did Clancy say about

What did Clancy say about the change?

Bal

He said (paraphrased) "That's what I get for accepting their money." spoken with a grin.

"Both are straightforward

"Both are straightforward good versus evil stories with a protagonist willing to sacrifice everything for something bigger than himself."

James Kalb in his book The Tyranny of Liberalism identifies the lack of recognition of transcendence as one of the hallmarks of liberalism.  Such a blind spot leads to the elevation of the individual as the be-all and end-all of actions and values.  The concept of maximized equal freedom for each individual to fit this self-image then results in a moral equivalency that eliminates any definition of "good" or "evil" beyond that which benefits the individual.

Where's the great story line in that kind of world view? 

JoeBob

Without recognizing the ordinances of Heaven, it is impossible to be a superior man. - Confucius

black gangs in Gran Torino?

I never would have guessed there were any, since the tv ads only showed Asian gangsters, IIRC.

Sure, sure... Asian gangs are such a huge problem in America :)

 

I think the reasons for

I think the reasons for fewer politically incorrect villains is the increased consumption of american films abroad, the influence of left wing political activism in Hollywood, the culture of Hollywood and how every film maker and actor wants to be considered an "artist."

Every actor you see in action movies todays does independent movies where they play gay cowboys or drug addicts that are terminally ill.   No more Arnold Schwarzeneggers.

 Hollywood now makes movies for movie critics and snotty film students.    So they cast the indy movie actors in action movies and try to not offend the sensibilities of liberal film critcs or their own.  

Anyhow, if you want to  kill politically incorrect villains... there are video games.  Call of Duty, anyone? 

Yes, I definitely think

Yes, I definitely think "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs" was for "movie critics and snotty film students." Same for Hannah Montana, the Final Destination, Iron Man, Twilight, Quantum of Solace, Spider-Man 3, Transformers...

It's a statement

This is not about enjoying a movie or not, it's about supporting the far left, or not. If a liberal doesn't want to shop at Whole Foods because of the CEO's stance on healthcare, that's their right, but it would be silly to argue their point by asking "don't you like the food they sell?"

I don't like movies with far-left moonbat actors or directors not because of the quality of the movie, but because I want them to fail. Maybe if they can't make the mortgage payment on the condo in Vail, they will rethink their politics.

How Do You Make Islamic Terrorists Work In A World War II Movie?

Just curious, but as far as I can tell, the extent of Islam during WWII occured in the Ottoman empire, am I correct? I know that Hitler had deals with some Islamic radicals, but to what extent was it? It just seems a little too convinient to say that Islamonazi terrorists were part of every single war that occurred before the Islamic revolution. I don't think Tarantino ever consciously considered if such a concept occured during WWII, when his new movie is set. All the other examples are fairly valid, but what do Islamic terrorists have to do with WWII?