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NBC Cites ‘Global Warming’ As Possible Cause of Colorado Wildfires

By Jeffrey Meyer | July 06, 2012 | 16:06

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Now that Colorado is enduring one of the worst wildfires in its history, liberals are pointing to man-made global warming as the culprit. On Thursday's NBC Nightly News, correspondent Anne Thompson hyped the "dire" and lasting impact of the fires on the environment and pointed toward man-made global warming as the probable cause.

The "increasingly bigger" fires, Thompson said, are "Leading some to question if this wildfire season is worse because of climate change." One of her experts, a professor from the University of Arizona, proclaimed that “we won’t see these forests coming back in our lifetime or even our grandchildren’s life times.”  [Video coming soon.  MP3 audio here.]

Thompson hinted that the heavier fires could be a result of the “warming of earth’s atmosphere by burning fossil fuels such as oil, coal, and gas." She then set the "dire" consequences of this possible man-made disaster: "Altering the very environment that made America's west great."


Thompson quoted two professors who live outside Colorado when she chould have interviewed Colorado state climatologist Nolan Doesken, who pointed out that, “you can’t say it’s climate change just because it’s an extreme condition.”  Doesken also noted that spring of 2012 looked much like the spring of 1910, when warm temperatures hit early and that year was a bad year for fires.

Instead of reporting a fair story, Thompson continued the liberal global warming line and tied it to Colorado wildfires, using sources who support her position and failing to bring on any skeptics who challenge the myth that Colorado wildfires are related to "global warming."
 
See relevant transcript below.

 

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NBC Nightly News
June 5, 2012
7:05 p.m. EDT

KATE SNOW: Now to the west. From Montana to New Mexico, record-setting wildfires are charring mountains, valleys, and houses. Nearly 1,000 homes have been destroyed already this fire season. Firefighters were hopeful today that thunderstorms and monsoon rains might help them douse the flames, but as we're about to hear, it could make their jobs harder not easier. Chief environmental affairs correspondent Anne Thompson reports on the impact of these increasingly bigger and more destructive fires.

(Video Clip)

ANNE THOMPSON, NBC News chief environmental affairs correspondent: When the fires finally go out, this is when the environmental impact really begins.

WALLY COVINGTON, Northern Arizona University: After a fire, what's set into place is a series of events, especially on steep slopes, of massive erosion where the soils can literally be stripped from the land, leaving a barren wasteland.

THOMPSON: Transforming forever the landscape of the American West.  Dr. Wally Covington of Northern Arizona University says the more than 2 million acres already burned this year stripped the land of trees and soil that helped keep watersheds clean, leave hundreds of animal species without places to live and forage, and ruin the beauty that's put 25 percent of Colorado homes in a fire risk zone.

COVINGTON: What we've been seeing really, not just this year but since 2000, is an increasing crescendo of heavier fires that are burning hotter than anything we've seen in historic times.

THOMPSON: Leading some to question if this wildfire season is worse because of climate change. The warming of earth's atmosphere by burning fossil fuels such as oil, coal, and gas. The vast tinder box, visible from the air.

JERRY MEEHL, National Center for Atmospheric Research: It makes things hotter and that of course adds to the wildfire risk, but the heat also dries things out more so you get increased evaporation.

THOMPSON: In a normal year we should have one record high temperature for every record low. Meehl says so far this year there's been ten record highs for each record low. And there's been much less snow and rain. Boulder, Colorado, home to the National Center for Atmospheric Research, recorded its driest March to June on record.

MEEHL: When we get extreme heat and record heat, that combination of heat and dryness creates these conditions that are really explosive.

THOMPSON: And consequences that are dire.

THOMAS SWEETNAM, University of Arizona: We won't see these forests coming back in our lifetime or even our grandchildren's life times.

THOMPSON: Altering the very environment that made America's west great.

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These idiots know nothing about forest management.

Submitted by johnsonl on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 4:14pm.

We get fires like this because we don't allow nature to burn the detrius that piles up year after year. Instead of lots of small, controllable fires we get one huge, out of control inferno that destroys everything and takes years for the forest to recover. What the fuck do MSM talking heads know about conservation? Nothing!

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Cleanup on Aisle 3!!

Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 5:20pm.

Johnson, your language is offensive and unnecessary, adding nothing to your comment.

And it's not that nature isnt'  allowed to burn the rubbish on the ground, it's that ogging companies and foresters are not allowed to clear the underbrush or get rid of it by controlled burns because environmentalists are loath to have the "forest floor" disturbed.

Then, when a fire starts, it's nature that burns the built up fuel uncontrolled, causing far greater damage over a far greater area than might have been had the dead material been cleared.

But what do I know about conservation?

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See the above comment.

Submitted by johnsonl on Sat, 07/07/2012 - 1:42pm.

You just made my point.
"ogging" companies?
Apparently, you know as much about spelling as you do about forest management.

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Johnson

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 07/07/2012 - 1:47pm.

You missed the point regarding language. No reason to be crude, and many reasons not to be.

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There's a HUGE difference

Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 3:35pm.

between "nature being allowed to burn" brush and loggers being allowed to CLEAR the brush so that it's NOT THERE for nature to burn. 

But you go ahead and have a hissy fit over a typo and claim victory.

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Correct, motherbelt, as the ---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 4:41pm.

"duff" on the forest floor;  pine needles, twigs, and small branches, are the bottom rung of the 'ladder fuels', that once ignited, burn and consume weeds and then small bushes and larger brush as the flames escalate up the ladder into live (or dead) vegetation in the form of trees.

Cleaning and/or clearing up the fall down materials can slow the firespread considerably, allowing for quicker and deeper penetration and attack by firefighting crews.

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So how do they explain 1988?

Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 4:41pm.

So how do they explain 1988? That year there was a nation-wide heat wave, a national drought, and a record number of forest fires including the one that burned up Yellowstone Park. That was 6 years before the IPCC decided that there was even such a thing as Global Warming.

And where was this record heat for the last 10 years? In my state's capital they announced that it had broke 100 degrees for the first time in 6 years. Sounds like the same kind of summer weather that I've experienced for 50 years. If anything, it isn't reaching 100 as often as it did when I was younger.

It pi$$es me off that these monkeys keep bringing up global warming just because we actually have a hot summer for the first time in 15 years and then it's only been about a week or ten days here. We had a month stretch in August back in the late 1990's where the daytime high was 90+ for over three weeks straight, but nothing like that since. There just isn't any trending.

Global Warming peaked in 1998 but the liars keep acting like it didn't.

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agree Kenny*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 6:47pm.

Here in south La, we have had a heat wave like everyone else. Our local weather man reminded everyone that we still have not reached record high temps that have held since.....1922. But we are going to feel better since we have rain in the forecast for the next 7 days in a row....so global warming will take a back seat again...

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We could use some of that Cajun

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 7:39pm.

After a wet spring we are now in a dry spell. The grass is crunchy.

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1922, Ms. Caj??? Well, that

Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 3:45pm.

1922, Ms. Caj??? Well, that doesn't really count, does it?? ALGORE wasn't around back then, and neither were the environmental whackos, and the damn thermometers weren't technically proficient enough to give an accurate reading!!! So all you had was a bunch of dumb-ass country 'folks' thinkin' (Obamaspeak) that it was 'pretty durn hot'...........but they didn't really know what they were talkin' about.

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What's sad, is that James

Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Mon, 07/09/2012 - 1:19pm.

What's sad, is that James Hansen & Co. at the GISS are using arguments similar to those to go back and change historical temp data (always downward). Helps make the temp graphs show a nice steady increase throughout the 20th century. Eliminates those pesky temp records in the dustbowl 1930s that spoil the curve.

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The roof on my condo....

Submitted by almostacowboy on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 4:43pm.

down in West Palm is leaking. That too, I'm sure, is due to global warming........Oh, and Pres. Bush. :-/

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As predictable as heat in

Submitted by Reaver on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 5:01pm.

As predictable as heat in July, the media blaming it on global warming.

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Hello It's a weather event, AND save the trees for forest fires

Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 5:10pm.

June temperature measured world wide is still lower than average temps on measured in 1998.

It's a crime to use trees, so save them for forest fires, ea greenies...

You Didn't Build That.

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The Liberals Are Spinning...in their chairs...

Submitted by Stan T on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 5:45pm.

Okay, it's hotter on the east coast right now...but it's cooler than normal on the west coast...we should be having 90+ days because it's July...instead we wake up every morning to overcast, and chilly. But let's not stop there...let's explain why it's warmer this year than earlier years...because in earlier years the news reported the "Temperature", but today they report the "Heat Index", which isn't the temperature, it's how hot it feels. Enough humidity, and 80 degrees can feel like 95-100 degrees...

As for the fires, it's a known fact that the colorado fire was started by Lightning...Unless a couple of children were playing with lightning without adult supervision, it can't be man-made....only the environmentalists are to blame for a hands-off attitude to forests.

Let's not forget, when it comes to global warming...these idiots can't predict the temperature for five days accurately, how are they going to predict it for 100 years? Not one of the predictions they have made about global warming has come true.

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Good point re heat index, Stan.

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 7:15pm.

For example, Atlanta has recently experienced several consecutive days with record high temps of 106 degrees. But the relatively low humidity has made it actually "feel" a delightfully pleasant 105.

Brrrr!

Jer

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So what...?

Submitted by ontheright on Sat, 07/07/2012 - 11:08am.

It's summer time. Temperatures increase in the summer - or didn't you get the memo?

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So, ontheright...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 11:54am.

for one thing, the106 degree temperature on June 30, a little over one week into the summer, was the highest EVER recorded, not just for that date but in Atlanta's history.

In other words, an occurrence a bit more noteworthy than your wiseass reminder that 'temperatures increase in the summer' would suggest.

That's what.

Jer

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so Jer*

Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 12:09pm.

Give some thought to one possible influence.......concrete.

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Then there's asphalt

Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 12:26pm.

Don't forget about asphalt, the largest contributor to the heat island effect.

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How long have we been recording temperatures?

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 12:21pm.

Then compare that to how long the earth has been here. I don't think we have enough data yet when you look at that timeline.

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Rad...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 12:51pm.

I was referring to the recorded temps in the history of Atlanta, not of planet earth.

Jer

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Sorry Jer

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 1:32pm.

But since you have that low humidity and are at a cool 105, would you like to borrow a sweater?

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Rad...The temperature has plummeted to 93 as of a few minutes

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 2:38pm.

ago. My wife is breaking out the chill chasers which the family will be huddling around the rest of the day. Thanks for the offer though.

Jer

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Ah, it so reminds me of a Seinfeld episode

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 3:01pm.

I couldn't find it online, but it's the one where Jerry's parents are in Florida and his wants to make hot chocolate and break out the electric blanket because it's winter.

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Well, seems we'd all be dead if "global warming" were

Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 1:21pm.

responsible for high temps. Seems it was hot way back in the 19th century, too. At least according to the National Weather Service.  So, how would anyone still be alive today if temps kept getting hotter because of "global warming"?

"7/10/1897. A ten day heat wave, one of the most intense on record, peaked with highs near 100 degrees across the region. At Lansing, it was the third straight day with highs of 100 degrees, unprecedented in the record books".

It gets cold, too. 

"7/10/1895. Record cold temperatures occur on the second consecutive day at Lansing. The low of 39 degrees follows a low of 42 degrees on July 9th". 

Why, it seems the climate "changes" all the time.

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Need 6 more degrees, to break a state record.

Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 12:25pm.

Better luck next year...

As the photo shows it's a weather event..

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Atlanta will never break the state record, ucw...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 1:12pm.

There are areas of GA northwest [e.g. Rome], east [e.g. Athens] and south [e.g. Macon, Valdosta] of Atlanta which are generally a few degrees warmer.

Athens recently hit 108, *

Jer

*edited from original 109.

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Just depends where the "warmers" place the Thermometer.

Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 1:41pm.

More on the Santa Ana Rooftop Weather Station: comparison stations also problematic...

Run for your life, here is a graph....

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I'm not interested in a "warmer" debate, ucw...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 2:32pm.

and I don't doubt thermometer placement within a defined area can and does make a difference. But the divergences in Georgia which I referenced have much more to do with meteorological, geographical and topographical factors rather than specific recording locations.

Jer

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Righttt Blah blah, was the highest EVER recorded, blah blah

Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 3:10pm.

Ahem, Not interested.
Then quit with spurious THERMOMETER readings... you hosed this thread with.

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Why don't you hose yourself off, ucw...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 3:29pm.

If I wish to post some light-hearted comments about record temperatures recently, I'll do so. Your orders to the contrary are absolutely meaningless.

Jer

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Jer,

Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 2:52pm.

Wouldn't that make it -by definition- an anomaly?

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bk...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 3:43pm.

Hmm...not so sure it would be by definition. But in this case it could be anomalous.

Jer

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Well guys.*

Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 4:40pm.

Down here , we just call it summer..Throw in a hurricane or two and we call it an ordinary summer.

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Anomaly:

Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 5:04pm.

a·nom·a·ly    /əˈnäməlē/

Noun:

  1. Something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.
  2. [A] 106 degree temperature on June 30, a little over one week into the summer; the highest EVER recorded, not just for that date but in Atlanta's history
  3. an occurrence a bit more noteworthy than [a] wiseass reminder

Yeah, actually -it is the definition.

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bk..

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 5:50pm.

I guess I should have asked that you specify exactly what I had posted that you were referencing, and what the significance was of it being considered anomalous or not.

Granted, it would probably have been better had I said, in this case, it "would" be anomalous instead of it "could" be anomalous.

But suppose this scenario:

2007: record June temp of 101 degrees
2008: record June temp of 102 degrees
2009: record of 102 degrees tied
2010: record June temp of 104 degrees
2011: record June temp of 105 degrees
2012: record June temp of 106 degrees

Would the 106 temp in 2012 be considered an anomaly by definition?

Jer

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Nope, not under that scenerio

Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 10:18pm.

106 degrees is clearly normal. Quit complainin! So much for a "heat wave".

BTW- the specifics in your comment that I was referencing was #'s 2 and 3 in the definition, above.

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Humidity is always relative

Submitted by CobraMan on Sat, 07/07/2012 - 11:24am.

In the south, as well as everywhere else, humidity is always relative. Heh.

By the way if you think a heat index of 105 is bad, you should have been with me at Fort Eustis, Virgina back in the 80's, when the relative humidity was so high that we routinely had to stop our PT exercises because the heat index ran upwards of 110 for 1 day out of three! Now that was HOT! The humidity was so high that, even at 6 in the morning, it cast a blue haze over everything.

Of course, every once in a while the drill sergeants would "cheat" and use cold water in the wet bulb thermometer, and off we go, running through air that felt so thick with moisture that it was like running through light syrup. After a while, you get used to it.

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That's not the heat index, Jer.

Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 07/07/2012 - 11:44am.

In your example, that's referred to as wind chill.

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What???

Submitted by Nonanon on Fri, 07/06/2012 - 7:07pm.

I am not a temperature record memory bank, but I didn't know that, as Thompson said, In a normal year we should have a record high temperature for each record low. Has anyone else ever heard of such a balance in nature? It seems to me you can have a lot of hot days or a lot of cold days but just can't recall the rule of one high balanced by one low. But with the way these people avoid true science, it is no wonder how they arrive at these types of stupid beliefs!
Several other posts here reference the consequences of not letting the light yield fuels burn until they reach a stopping point and refreshing the forests every few years. There are places that probably have up to a 100 year old fire load that yields heavy fire conditions and thus produces more damage and destruction.
Something else can't be left out of the equation is that how many of these destroyed structures were here 10, 20, 50, 100 or more years ago? Just like with storms, things are not getting stronger, there is just so many more people to hurt or kill and more stuff to damage or destroy. The dollar loses are bigger because more stuff gets damaged, not because climate is changing. Listening to this constant drivel drives me crazy.

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Forest fires are necessary!

Submitted by DrMatt on Sat, 07/07/2012 - 12:44am.

My family just got back from a weeks vacation in Yellowstone. The so-called "expert" knows nothing except propaganda. Many pine species (including lodgepole pines so prevalent in the west) require fire to open their cones and release seeds. This allows natural reseeding of the forest. This was the case all over Yellowstone. Unlike what the "expert" said, the fires did not lead to widespread erosion and destruction. What actually happens is that the fire returns nutrients back to the soil, reseeds the trees, and provides a lush undergrowth to feed wildlife. The National Park Service has interpretive displays and hikes all over the park describing the benefits of the wildfires.

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