Former Dem Staffer Lawrence O’Donnell: Some Voter Fraud is ‘Perfectly Reasonable’
On Thursday’s edition of her Now program, MSNBC host Alex Wagner and her colleague Lawrence O’Donnell along with The Nation’s Ari Melber took to the air to smear the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) on the subject of voter ID laws. ALEC, a liberal blogger bogeyman, has become MSNBC’s new punching bag and the liberal guests took the opportunity to attack the organization from all sides.
In a discussion regarding the merits of showing an ID to vote, Wagner, an alumna of the liberal Center for American Progress, conspiratorially claimed that, “voter ID is cooked up by Republicans to disenfranchise minority voters.” In other words, it's the work of evil, racist Republicans! [See video below. MP3 audio here.]
Conservative panelist and syndicated columnist S.E. Cupp did her best at combating the vicious assault on ALEC and voter ID laws:
We can all agree voter fraud happens. We disagree on how often it happens. That's fine. But if it happens once, it happens too often.
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In response to this, MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell ridiculously claimed that a few instances of voter fraud are perfectly fine with him:
CUPP: Alex, people die fighting overseas for our right to vote. If it happens once it happens too often.
O’DONNELL: No, no once is perfectly reasonable.
CUPP: What's the solution to voter fraud? Give me another solution.
O’DONNELL: Once is perfectly reasonable.
This candid and disturbing response from a former Democratic senatorial staffer raises serious questions about whether or not Democrats believe in fair and honest elections. It appears the hyper-partisan O’Donnell does not.
What is more disturbing is the assertion made by liberals Wagner and O’Donnell that if you support voter ID -- which 70 percent of Americans do according to polling data -- are somehow racist. Wagner doesn't have the audacity to openly attack the vast majority of Americans, so ALEC stands in as a convenient villain.
See relevant transcript below.
MSNBC
NOW With Alex Wagner
April 19, 2012
12:42 p.m.
ALEX WAGNER: After getting dropped by some of its most prominent corporate funders the American Legislative Exchange Counsel, or ALEC decided to shut down a task force that helped enact controversial stand your ground laws and voter i.d. laws. But its opponents called the move nothing more than a pr stunt. As usual, I will quote the "Wall Street Journal " in an editorial from yesterday. This was amazing to me. The ugly race-baiting anti-ALEC campaign is typical of today's liberal activism. It's akin to the campaigns to smear libertarian donors Charles and David Koch, and to exploit shareholder proxies to stop companies from giving to political campaigns or even the Chamber of Commerce. This is a ugly race-bating anti-ALEC campaign.
LAWRENCE O’DONNELL: I think the thing with at "Wall Street Journal," is they believe no one reads our editorials. What are we going to do. And so they just do this crazy amped up language that has nothing to do with the rest of the news paper. They’re kind of funny their editorials.
WAGNER: Well, but S.C. [Cupp], as a conservative, do you think it was, you know Color of Change, a statement from April 17th. In the statement from April 17th, I’ll read it. To simply say they are stopping noneconomic work, this is in response to ALEC stopping its task force, doesn't guarantee that ALEC will not continue to push laws that endanger African-Americans and trample our voting rights. Shutting down one task force does not provide justice to the millions of Americans whose lives are impacted by these dangerous and discriminatory laws courtesy of ALEC and its corporate backers.
S.E. CUPP: Courtesy of governors like Janet Napolitano and Jennifer Granholm, are they racist? I mean, to smear and entire segment of the population as racist and discriminatory because you disagree with laws that are on the books --
WAGNER: The laws they say...I think It's the laws that they're calling discriminatory.
CUPP: Sure, signed into law by some Democratic governors as well. And they're not taking it to Janet Napolitano and Jennifer Granholm.
ALICE STEWART: Of course not. Because this is prompted by as we all know Obama’s former green jobs czar, Van Jones, and this is more of his effort to fight against any free market policy groups, which is ALEC is very big on that. But also one of the big things they're attacking is the voter i.d. laws which is most people support. But for them to say that it's racist to require people to show an i.d. to vote is simply wrong. I mean we have to show i.d. for many things in this country. And voting is a very important privilege people in this country have and they should be required to show i.d.
O’DONNELL: Ok, here's my favorite thing about this show I’ve decided.
WAGNER: What’s that?
O’DONNELL:. It's sitting here and watching Ari listen to this, listen to things that I –and it's like I'm watching him not fume. It’s like he has this ability...
WAGNER: It’s an exercise in self-control.
O’DONNELL: But I can see the temperature rising and somehow he doesn’t...
WAGNER: I can feel the body like...
O’DONNELL: I think he has something to say.
WAGNER: What do you have to...I'll lead you into this Ari by saying the reason Alice that folks call these laws discriminatory is because they are in fact discriminatory because they disproportionally affect minorities overwhelmingly. Ari?
ARI MELBER: Thank you, Alex and Lawrence O’Donnell. Yeah, well I felt my temperature rising because there was a lot to deal with. Number one, there is a --
O’DONNELL: Take your time. You have my time.
WAGNER: The gentleman on the left.
MELBER: Number one, the laws that are in question do have a tremendous disparate impact on not only African-Americans, but also the poor, the elderly, generally the marginalized in our society. So there's a reason why many people across the political spectrum are concerned about voter i.d. laws. That’s number one and that is the racial component there. Number two, contra to the Wall Street Journal’s imagination, this is the free market. This is what it looks like. When a company like Coca-Cola gets feedback from its shareholders or what it considers customers, potential customers or stakeholders that they don’t like something the company is doing, they look at a cost benefit analysis. And what they see is a $25,000 check to ALEC that is engaged in many of these questionable activities which some people support and some people don't. But it's questionable enough that as a company, not as a political group, as a company, they say this is so outside the mainstream of people who drink Coke, that’s what they think about, they want out. That is the free market. It's also the politics of that.
CUPP: You're right. That is an excellent point. It's a free market experience that you're seeing here. But to look at voter i.d. laws, which as Alice pointed out, majority of the country supports, they've passed in 30 states now, not that questionable. Here is my issue --
WAGNER: The Supreme Court is taking it up.
CUPP: Absolutely, absolutely. But this is my issue with it. We can all agree voter fraud happens. We disagree on how often it happens. That's fine. But if it happens once, it happens too often...
O’DONNELL: It happens less than speeding.
CUPP: It happens too often if it happens once. So what's the solution? If you don’t like voter i.d. that's fine. Bring me another solution. The point is people don't want the solution to this problem.
WAGNER: Voter i.d. is cooked up by Republicans to disenfranchise minority voters. There is more chance that you will get hit by lightning I think on a plane, actually that would be increasing your chances, there’s more likelihood of you getting hit by lightning twice I believe than for voter fraud to happen.
CUPP: Alex, people die fighting overseas for our right to vote. If it happens once it happens too often.
O’DONNELL: No, no once is perfectly reasonable.
CUPP: What's the solution to voter fraud? Give me another solution.
O’DONNELL: Once is perfectly reasonable.
CUPP: Give me another solution to voter fraud. I’m happy to listen to it.
STEWART: Exactly. But what Color of Change is doing, they're picking hot-button and stand your ground. These are hot button issues that they see that can generate conversations of a few of the many things that ALEC does, most of which is educate legislators across the country on how to better write legislation dealing with free market and reducing the size of government. That’s what ALEC does and that's what it stands for and Van Jones is doing nothing more than...
CUPP: Race-bating.
STEWART: Furthering the Obama administration's agenda to silence those who go against that.
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Comments
When Larry says "once"
Submitted by NeoKong on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 4:38pm.
He means that one time on election day every four years.
12 million illegals walk amongst us--often in sanctuary cities
Submitted by merly1 on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 4:53pm.
If only 10% are voting where these sanctuary cities dont even look for them........
It is disturbing, especially in this era of very close elections.
Stupid O'Donnel-logic
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 5:14pm.
I doubt O'Donnell has any real stats on voter fraud, nonetheless he offered this . . .
O’DONNELL: It happens less than speeding.
That's probably correct. But speeding is a rather common daily violation in virtually every community in the United States.
Homicide and sexual assaults occur less than speeding, yet we don't dismiss either as inconsequential. Okay, those may be extreme examples. What about mail fraud? It occurs less than speeding, but we do prosecute it.
In Milwaukee
Submitted by fivestring_assassin on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 5:21pm.
in 2004, there were 5000 more votes cast than there were eligible voters
BTW Bush lost Wisconsin by about that same number
Of course Crazy Larry has no problem with voter fraud.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 5:24pm.
He's a self-avowed Socialist. Name one socialist state, past or present, where massive voter fraud is not SOP.
Once is acceptable?
Submitted by KC Beach on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 5:22pm.
Does Larry mean that it is acceptable for Democrats to vote fraudulently if it is just one time? And is that once per election cycle or once over their voting life, and since we are talking voter fraud is their afterlife included in this one time shot too?
Would it be acceptable to Larry if everyone robbed just one bank? Is it OK to commit just one rape. I have heard that trying heroin just once can lead to good things too. After all, all of these things happen less often than speeding. So by Larry's logic (or lack thereof) all of these things are acceptable.
Voter ID stops Democrats from cheating - so they hate it
Submitted by Slyrr on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 5:48pm.
Rush Limbaugh, as always, boiled it down to the bare-bones truth.
Democrats want to stop voter ID laws so they can keep cheating.
So yes, voter ID laws that stop fraud, cheating and abuse scare the heck out of democrats and their media apologists. Democrats have turned fraud votes into one of their BIGGEST constituencies. Whether it's jailbirds, illegal aliens, dead people or fictional characters, the Democrat party needs each and every fraud vote - otherwise they'd never get near to being competitive in any elections in which they participate.
➚ Coulter's column
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 5:56pm.
Ann's column had a different heading last night when I read it.
Glad she's back into rubbing the Liberals' noses into their true intentions.
We already know Liberals hate black people who stray from the plantation. What bugs the heck out of me is the black people who hate members of their own ethnicity for believing in self respect.
But once again, what the Progressives have imposed on blacks in times past, they now intend to impose on the rest of America.
Mind Melting Hypocrisy
Submitted by stratman on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 5:58pm.
My county - Cuyahoga - that covers Greater Cleveland, Ohio has a voter ID law. The county is overwhelmingly minority residents, particularly on the Eastside. Not a single damn peep from any of the Left, including the local Media, about any problems in enforcement or voter disenfranchisement. If there were any issues than the Leftwing politicians, the Leftwing local Media, and local Leftwing activists have been either coerced into silence or are willingly keeping silent. In other words -- there are no problems of note with voter ID in Cleveland.
If a Democrat cesspool like Cleveland, whose politicians on the national stage include Dennis Kucinich and Marcia Fudge - two committed Leftist, as well as all the assorted Lefty local politicians, can successfully implement Voter ID laws then the whole nation should be capable as well. No excuses.
Cupp did well in that lion's den of Leftists. Conservatives and other supporters of Voter ID laws need to relate more current successful implementations across the US, especially Leftwing enclaves like Cleveland, Ohio. Give no wiggle room to the naysayers who are only fear mongering for political power.
When I have to show my ID to
Submitted by Breanna on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:47pm.
When I have to show my ID to vote, I feel like my vote counts. I feel like the state made this law so that I COULD feel that my vote counts. When I am asked to show my ID to vote, I feel like I am being asked to show that I am who I say I am,...an American citizen with the constitutional right to cast my vote. Why would the dems NOT want me to feel proud to be an American and be happy to prove it?
Breanna
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:06am.
I never thought of about showing an ID to vote in that way but I agree with you. Good point. I feel proud to be able to vote in America, and showing ID helps secure my vote so that it does count.
Same here in Franklin County.
Submitted by inquiringmind on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:20am.
Same here in Franklin County. ( Columbus, Ohio) Except I like most of our politicians.
My question to the libs who oppose this law is , What are you afraid of?
Hey Larry, I think your head has gone so far to the left
Submitted by djwolf12 on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 6:12pm.
that your toupee is starting to fall off your head in that same direction. What an idiot.
I have yet to grasp why this
Submitted by Shreve on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 6:17pm.
I have yet to grasp why this subject is such a big deal for some.
I have shown my driver's license every time I have voted in the last ten years. Louisiana has an ID one can get for, I think, $20. If you can't afford that, something is up, or you just don't care.
I've come to realize the people who yell the loudest about this never darken the door of a voting precinct.
It's because the cost of
Submitted by CM on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:15am.
It's because the cost of getting an ID is considered a tax on voting.
If someone has financial problems
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:20am.
state ID's can be issued without cost.
What do they do about showing ID to rent an apartment? Open a bank account? Cash a check?
The constitution doesn't
Submitted by CM on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:37am.
The constitution doesn't guarantee people the right to get an apartment or bank account. It does guarantee people the right to vote. It's apples and oranges.
The Constitution...
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:07pm.
The Constitution doesn't grant people the right to vote for President. It grants the various States the right to appoint Electors in a manor that their Legislators direct.
It also doesn't grant the "right to vote" in any election. It does, however, prevent the various government from preventing people from voting in a general, or special, or local, election based on things like age, color, sex, ect. In other words, it prevents the governments from denying people the ability to vote based upon specific individual characteristics as opposed to general access. If there is a general election for, say, the county dog catcher, you must allow everyone within that district, or city, or area of influence, the same "right" to vote as anyone else.
The States and their subsidiaries, cities, counties, and the like, still decide on whether or not there WILL be a vote, or if the position will be filled by appointments, and how that vote, if there is one, will be carried out, like limiting access to the polls to just those people who live in the area the poll represents. The Constitution says nothing about that, other than leaving that decision to the State legislatures themselves.
If the individual States, or Counties, or Cities, want people to prove that they actually live in the represented area, and that they must provide official government supplied id's as a means of proof, like they do for things like receiving state unemployment benefits. or buying particular items, or whatever, the Constitution actually allows it. For, as is stated in the 10th amendment,: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
it is interesting how other facets of govt
Submitted by OffTheLows on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 6:21pm.
a photo ID is a requirement when engaging in a transaction. Even for mail that has to be picked up at the post office that they leave the slip at the door and doesn't require a signature, they still require a photo ID. I do think the impact either way is minimal as it relates to the passions it creates from the base of either side.
It IS easy
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 7:59am.
This is just another liberal non-issue they've spun into a national disgrace. I have yet to hear a cogent argument on how exactly this disproportionately affects minoroties. Don't minotities drive? And even if they don't, it is my understanding that virtually every state offers a form of picture identification. If these poor, abused miniroties can take the time to vote, sometimes more than once per election, they can take the time to get some form of ID. Same thing with the excuse that they don't have the time or ability to get to wherever they can get ID. If they can take the time and/or arrange travel to vote, they can do the same for the ID.
This is the same type of issue as Obambi's birth certificate. You have to produce one to get a social security number or passport, but not to become president of the US? We seriously need to get our priorities straight...
Another draft dodger at
Submitted by cristo on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 6:40pm.
Another draft dodger at MSNBC who's in way over his head.
Perfectly Reasonable*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 6:49pm.
How can voter fraud be reasonable? When illegal voters get to vote on how the country should treat its "citizens" is a dismissal of the constitution and our defined right of "representation". Not to mention the mear fact that when illegals vote, MY vote becomes meaningless. That is not in any way reasonable.
I predict....
Submitted by FireChief on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 6:46pm.
i predict there will be MASS voter fraud in the Presidential election and nothing will be said about it. (by the liberal press anyway) That is the very reason the Dems will NOT agree to voter ID, they know they are going to need all the voter fraud they can get. Its the reason they wont press charges against the New Black Panthers for harassing voters in the 2008 election. They might need them again in 2012.
Is "some" pilot error
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 7:49pm.
acceptable?
Once is not enough
Submitted by CO2Maker on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 8:21pm.
In North Carolina, congressional district 12 is the "I-85 district" because back in 1990 when NC got a 12th representative, it was drawn to follow I-85 from Charlotte through Greensboro and end in Durham and to be a "minority majority" district. It's long and skinny and resembles a bug that hit the windshield (which some clever people called it). (Now with a 13th district, it only goes from Charlotte to Greensboro. Two districts that comprise most of eastern NC weave into each other like intertwined fingers ... or a cancer tumor.)
The district lines are incredibly convoluted (no longer the "compact and contiguous" regions referred to in the law) because the drafters wanted to make every district as nearly equal in exact number of residents as humanly possible to satisfy the "one man, one vote" SCOTUS directives.
One person would change that precise equality. So, Larry, wouldn't one false voter mess up the balance? (In any event, that precise and exact equality would be disturbed the minute someone moved or died, so it was a fleeting goal, anyway.)
Oh, btw, Larry. How did you feel about the "few" votes that decided the 2000 election in Florida? Didn't Algorithm have a conniption and try to move heaven and SCOFFLAw to finagle a different outcome? Didn't one or two or 37 or 712 votes out of millions that were cast decide the election (no, I'm not referring to the SCOTUS vote)?
So, one or two fraudulent votes do matter, right?
I guess kids can tell the
Submitted by goldbough on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 8:25pm.
I guess kids can tell the teacher that cheating every so often is acceptable. And stealing from the convenience store is acceptable too (just every so often).
So sick of the disenfranchisement B.S.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 8:48pm.
We all know everyone needs an ID for just about anything in this country, be it opening a bank account, renting an apartment, getting a job, etc. I would hope it's necessary to get welfare payments, but who knows in this screwy country.
Rad, don't forget, in Illinois one has to have a photo ID
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:31pm.
to purchase drain cleaner. In many states, you have to have a photo ID to purchase most cold and sinus remedies.
And, Detroit has anywhere from 10K to 50K more registered voters than it does actual residents. And, recently, Detroit's city clerk had an "ambassador program", which sent city workers out into the community to "help" the elderly and others vote. I wonder how they voted?
I wonder who'll end up carrying Michigan this election cycle?
Larry mean't that it is
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Thu, 04/19/2012 - 11:50pm.
Larry mean't that it is acceptable if his guy wins.
S.E. Cupp was a frequent guest on many Fox News shows. It
Submitted by Rush Fan on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 1:21am.
appears she has been replaced by Andrea Tantaros. I wonder what happened?
Is this the same Larry
Submitted by east tennessee john on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:21am.
Is this the same Larry O'Donnell that went ballistic on the Swift Boat guys? Now this maniacal liar says vote fraud is ok and he has a nightly show to spew this bull?
Is this the same Larry
Submitted by east tennessee john on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:21am.
Is this the same Larry O'Donnell that went ballistic on the Swift Boat guys? Now this maniacal liar says vote fraud is ok and he has a nightly show to spew this bull?
Go ahead and break the law, once.
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:35am.
"Once is perfectly reasonable."
So, kids, go ahead and violate the law, but make sure you only do it once! Otherwise you're being unreasonable!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
We have voter ID,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:52am.
And even though I know most of the folks at the poll, they still made me go back home and retrieve my ID. Sure I was disenfranchised for a few seconds, but I returned to vote anyway!
Can You Not
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:27pm.
... cast a provisional ballet if you have no ID at that time? Here's how my county handles no ID provisional ballots.
If a Democrat city like Cleveland, Ohio can implement voter ID laws then there is no excuse for any city not being able to implement the same.
I dont know Stat
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:42pm.
I have never attempted to. Maybe my fellow Pelican Staters might know
Good evening Strat
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:55pm.
I am a comissioner in charge at a precinct down here in backwards louisiana. we require a picture ID to vote. In federal elections by federal law we have to provide a provisional ballot and if that person is registered to vote that vote will be counted.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Coco
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 1:46pm.
Americans have worked hard to make sure there is little chance of voter disenfranchisement. It is lie that voter ID laws disenfranchise the citizenry. Even illness does not equate to disenfranchisement with the accessibility of provisional ballots. However, there are multiple reports of "lost" provisional ballots from military personnel. It seems that disenfranchisement comes not from onerous rules to voting but partisan criminal activity, all too often seemingly perpetrated by Democrats. Hence, it is unsurprising that measures to secure our votes and ballots would be opposed by the Left.
This topic motivated me to just now call my county Board of Elections about something that happened when voting in the recent Primaries. After completing our ballots, my mother and I were waiting in line to feed them into the optical character recognition machine. One of the poll workers in my overwhelming Liberal precinct gestured at some of us in line and said "Republican, Republican, Democrat, Republican." I've never heard of this before. Talking with the Board today, this should not have happened and I should have reported it to the manager on the site.
Turning this lemon into lemonade, the woman behind us, a Democrat, seemed a little confused about the pollster's behavior. I told her that Democrats were to use the OCR machine to the left while Republicans were to stay in line for the OCR on the right because Republican machine was really a document shredder. It took her a few seconds but she finally got the joke and said something about it being good and OK with her.
Good evening strat
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 2:42pm.
Our machines come to us locked and when we unlock them at the opening of the polls we run a printout of the votes present in the machine at that time. If any machine does not have a printout of zero that machine is not used. There is a cassette tape inside a locked recorder in each machine that is not opened until after the polls close.When the polls close the tapes are removed and hand carried to headquarters.
During the day every voter's eligibility is checked in the registry book and the voter signs the book next to their name. Their name is recorded in two books by two different workers. That gives us three records of the people that voted and their vote is kept secret on the tape where no name is recorded. The number of votes on the tapes and in the books have to match.
Unbelievable facts about our machines -
They are the most reliable and tamper proof in the country and were purchased when Edwin Edwards was governor. Edwards then sold our old machines to Mexico.
We did have a running joke for a while that if Edwards hadn't gone to jail he would have been elected President of Mexico.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Strat
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 2:50pm.
If y'all had a closed primary like we did you could only vote for the party you registered as. Our machines have to be reset after each vote and we handed a piece of paper with the number one for republican and a number two for democrat to set the machine to accept a vote. That way we didn't have to answer any questions why we were identifying people by party.
I suppose we could have used a number one for republicans and a picture of the rear a jackass for democrats but we didn't want to get in trouble.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Coco
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 3:17pm.
In our Primary, you need to identify yourself as either Republican, Democrat or Independent in order to receive the appropriate ballet of candidates (or no candidates and only issue if Independent). Our name and facsimile of our signature is located in a book and we sign in an adjoining space. After voting, you return with the ballot, tear off an enumerated strip from the ballot, place it in a manila envelope, and then feed your ballot into the OCR machine. At no time after identifying your Party affiliation should your Party be mentioned, gestured, or inferred by poll workers. The poll worker in my situation was wrong. This is not the first irregularity I've come across in my years of voting, though none of which I would consider criminal. Still, I am unsurprised given the probable complete Democrat make up of the poll workers I interact with.
Thanks Coco
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 3:27pm.
Seems our system is not so backwards after all. Sounds like were getting what we vote for.
There is no way to survive without ID
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 1:31pm.
Whether it's real or fake everyone must have some sort of ID to function in today's society.
You can not get a job without ID
You can not open a bank account without ID
You can not cash a check without ID
You can not get welfare or foodstamps without ID
You can not vote in a union election without ID
People who don't have a legitamate ID are either criminal or illegal aliens ( I know that is redundant). Resistance to voter ID laws comes from those who want to facilitate voter fraud to support their chosen political party.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
The statement below ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 8:29pm.
By c5then, is the absolute pure and unvarnished truth regarding voter ID.
" Resistance to voter ID laws comes from those who want to facilitate voter fraud to support their chosen political party."
QED
MD