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Bashir Uses Contraception Controversy to Promote ‘Single-Payer Healthcare’

By Jeffrey Meyer | February 08, 2012 | 18:21

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On the February 8 episode of MSNBCs Martin Bashir program, the host along with liberal Democrat Rep. Peter Walsh (Vt.) used the contraception mandate controversy to advocate the elusive liberal Democratic dream of a Canada-style government-run health care monopoly. [Listen to the audio or watch the video after the jump]

Bashir started the interview -- better described as a Democrat strategy session -- to blast Speaker John Boehner for his opposition to the Obama administration’s health care ruling.

“I found that slightly surprising since there are other more pressing issues right at this moment on his desk like extending the payroll tax cut extension and unemployment insurance," Bashir pontificated. "But he seems to think we have time what, to legislate on this issue now?"

Apparently to Bashir and his colleagues at MSNBC, the religious liberty of charitable organizations like Catholic-run hospitals is a "toxic waste"* of the Congress's time.  On a side note, it was Boehner and congressional Republicans in December who pushed for a year-long extension of the payroll tax cut, something congressional Democrats refused to assent to.

What’s even more disgusting is that Rep. Walsh used Bashir's rant as a jumping off point to defame the GOP by claiming Boehner and the entire GOP want to repeal Roe v. Wade, and "really set women back."  Of course, Roe is not at issue in the present debate and both Walsh and Bashir know it, yet Bashir failed to call the Democratic congressman on his groundless bluster.

The two continued their liberal pep talk by agreeing that all health issues would be solved if we just had a single-payer health system in America, just like in Bashir's native England.  But all such a system would do would be to ensure that the lack of choice the administration is foisting on religious institutions would be spread over billions of religious Americans whose taxes would most surely pay for contraception and abortions with which they disagree.

Besides Rep. Walsh, Bashir stocked the rest of his program with liberal guests like Rep. Barbara Lee and former DNC communications director Karen Finney who sang from the administration's song sheet when it came to the contraception mandate.

Oddly enough, Bashir closed his program with a "Clear the Air" commentary that slammed liberal New York City Michael Bloomberg (I) for an "egregious form of religious intolerance" if he should refuse to rent public school space out to religious groups for worship services.

It's testament to Martin's intellectual incoherence to condemn Bloomberg's policy while finding Republicans' desire to debate Obama's policy in Congress as a complete waste of time.

*Toxic Waste of Time was an onscreen graphic earlier in the hour that described congressional Republicans hopes to debate the contraception mandate.

Below is the relevant transcript:  

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Martin Bashir
02/08/2012
3:43 p.m.  

MARTIN BASHIR: I wonder if I could turn your mind to domestic thoughts now and what appears to be the latest chapter in the so-called culture war.  Speaker John Boehner took to the floor of the house today, as you know to oppose the Obama health care rule that requires religious organizations to include free contraception to employees on their insurance plan. Mr. Boehner says it's unconstitutional, and he wants Congress to vote on legislation to change it. I found that slightly surprising since there are other more pressing issues right at this moment on his desk like extending the payroll tax cut extension and unemployment insurance. But he seems to think we have time what, to legislate on this issue now?

CONGRESSMAN PETER WELSH: Well, you're dead right, Martin. I mean this has been totally politicized. And keep in mind its Mr. Boehner and the GOP that wants to repeal Roe v. Wade and really set women back. The bottom line here is that in a lot of ways, we would be much better off if we had a single pair health care system where you didn’t have employers involved and where the benefits would be available including contraception.

BASHIR: I could not agree more sir but that's not what we have.

WELSH: That's right. So the White House is doing the right thing here where it's acknowledging that we have to make certain that women who want access to contraceptives have it, and they try to work out an arrangement where that can be done without asking some bishops and prelates to violate what they regard as a doctrinal matter.

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I guess mullah Bashir never got sick while living in the UK

Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 7:19pm.

LOL - I guess you don't have to go to an actual doctor to have camel fleas removed.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Single payer

Submitted by drydino on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 7:18pm.

I wonder how many of those so in favor of single payer health care avoid our other highly successful single payer system - education. If you like the way our public schools are run, then you'll love it when the same type of system is used for healthcare. And we all know how wonderful those inner city schools are!!!! I'm confident idiots like Bashir would never even consider sending their kids to private schools.

And remember, public school is only for a few years, where healthcare will be for the rest of your life ... literally!

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Did you know

Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 7:33pm.

That the average life expectancy for a a Canadian under the single payer system is 80.7 years? That's because we spend most of our lives waiting in a doctors office or waiting in the Orlando airport for a flight home.

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Or....

Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 1:17am.

earning the cash to get your hip replacement performed at one of the hospitals in a bordering state.

The hospitals which are near Canada/US border towns do more cash business than any other subgroup of similar health care institutions in the United States. Guess who the major cash paying customers are? If you said Canadians, you answered correctly.

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Well good for them.

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:06pm.

I'm glad the wealthy in Canada can afford to get special treatment in the US. I guess the rest of us will just have to muddle through.
BTW..did I mention that about 4 years ago I had a life threatening injury that had I lived in the US would have rendered me
a) bankrupt
b) uninsurable

But since I'm a Canuck, I'm still solvent. (and can walk again)

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mandrake

Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:14pm.

While I would never argue the facts of what happened to you I'm not sure you are completely correct on your conclusion.

For several years I have worked in the medical industry to some degree or another and have seen several times people who started bankrupt and uninsurable with either a debilitating disease or injury get the best care available up to recovery without owing any money out the door. 

If there is one place that really falls down in the US for the uninsured and that is the follow up and rehabilitation procedures which are strictly controlled by Medicare and Medicaid.

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Interesting!

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:29pm.

If I read your second paragraph correctly the US has the best emergency care in the world, even if you're not insured. But something like hip replacement isn't really an emergency.

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hip replacement

Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:36pm.

Honestly, it is going to depend upon two things. One, the attitude of the particular people who start the process toward surgery. Two, the persistence of the patient who needs care. Still, the surgery will probably not be the biggest issue but the follow up - the Rehab. In an effort to control medical spending this is where the government has aimed its greatest amount of control. 

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Rehab

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:43pm.

Rehab is the one area where I can defend the Canadian system. After the surgery on my leg, I spent 4 months learning how to walk again. The doctors and nurses were great and I still had my retirement fund.

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Rehab woes

Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:50pm.

Canada does do a better job at rehab for patients that get to that point of medical need. The US has a few great rehab hospitals including several owned by the previously scandalized HealthSouth but the government keeps a boot on their neck in order to provide services.

I spent a few days visiting a hospital in Ottawa and it was pretty decent. In reality it couldn't have matched the available facilities at almost any major city hospital in the US (non-profit or private) and was a huge step down from the major private institutions.

If you go by individual experiences you are going to find success and failure on both sides of border. 

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Mandrake, Funny thing, I was

Submitted by Liberallies on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:39pm.

Mandrake,

Funny thing, I was just interviewing potential medical students from Canada who want to start at the medical school where I work. You know what they all agreed on? (I interviewed them individually)

They all have access to healthcare, however, they have to wait ridiculous amount of time to see a specialist. One told me the story of how his grandmother made an appointment with a cardiologist. No doctor where she lived in Canada could see her sooner than three months. She made the appointment for the three months out....but she died of heart failure while she waited for her appointment! So...hooray for the Canadian healthcare system, right?

I have read and have Canadian friends tell me stories like this all the time. I have a few friends who live in Windsor who constantly cross the border into Detroit in order to obtain the medical treatment refused to them by the Canadian government.

Bankrupt or uninsurable, which the latter is not true, you'll have to pay a lot more, don't believe all the lies from the CBC (my father had prostate cancer while he was laid off, he was able to be insured, but it cost him a pretty penny) but you will still have your life.

By the way, they all talked about the huge shortage of doctors, nurses and healthcare providers in Canada. You know the fastest way for a foreigner to obtain a visa into Canada? become a Canadia citizen? be a doctor or nurse.

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US hospitals are required to render care, mapledrake.

Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:42pm.

In a life-threatening emergency, US hospitals are required to render services regardless of ability to pay. There is no choice in the matter, as this is built into federal and state laws governing hospital licensing. Even hospitals which are not necessarily designed to handle general emergencies (e.g. rehabilitation, long term acute care, transition care) are required to provide emergency care commensurate with their resources. This can mean they will transfer the patient to another hospital with the proper facilities to provide more advanced care. Accordingly, your assertions that your injury would have rendered you bankrupt or incapable of finding insurance are garbage. Since you are a Canuck, your fellow taxpayers paid for your injury and you paid little except your share of those taxes.

If Canadian health care is so wonderful, why did your government prohibit your fellow Canadians from going outside of the country to pay cash for treatment? The level of care is mostly equivalent to the US, but the waiting times as documented by multiple studies about the shortage of primary care physicians and the delays in obtaining chemotherapy, MRIs, etc. tells a far different story about the promptness of that care.

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I said earlier today.

Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 9:25pm.

That Obama might be trying to force the RCC out of providing insurance, thus dumping all their employees into the public pool.
Then the line would be that we need Universal single payer, because, see, we can't count on employers providing coverage.

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Long Been The Plan

Submitted by stratman on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 9:50pm.

The architects of ObamaCare have always looked to exploit laws to move people into public pools. Good point to remind us of their latest incremental efforts. I have also said that the Left will find alternate uses for this attack on the Church, such as supporting the call to prayer 5 times a day by loud speaker. After all, Christians have church bells every day. Or forcing Sharia into our legal system (opps, already done!)

Which fits neatly with my motto: Never trust a Leftist.

Anyone who doesn't think these Leftists aren't playing chess - planning several moves ahead with contingency plans - while the Right has been playing checkers - waiting for Uncle Festus to make his move - is sadly mistaken.

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There's a strongly possibility that its Obama's goal

Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 9:53pm.

In 2006, Obama told an audience that if he could start the health card system from scratch, he'd make it single payer, but we can't get there in one jump..

Its only logical to assume that he hasn't abandoned that ultimate goal, and that the way to get there is to concoct this complex and distasteful Obamacare system with the intent of letting it fail, to be replaced by a single payer system.

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⇒ Bingo

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 9:58pm.

Obama's smarter than he lets on. OK, he'd almost have to be.

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You can count on Bashir endorsing any public policy . . .

Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 9:39pm.

. . . that his native UKL already has.

Makes you wonder why he left there to come here? Did he have to? ;-)

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I support single-payer

Submitted by GregE on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:32pm.

Bashir should be the single-payer for all of our healthcare.

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Martin, if you love the NHS so much, move the hell back!

Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 1:19am.

And take Fareed Zakaria, Piers "Hacker" Morgan and that piece of filth Tina Brown with you.

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Also

Submitted by stratman on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:20am.

Don't forget Andrew Sullivan, Christiane Amanpour, and former temporary CMS head Donald Berwick, MD.

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