Kudlow, Santelli: Dollar Devaluation Creating 'Façade' Bush/Obama Interventionist Economic Policies Are Working

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Now that the Obama administration is attempting to take a victory lap on the U.S. economic recovery, claiming the $787-billion stimulus passed earlier this year was what did the trick, despite a cost of $160,000 per 'stimulus' job, as ABC's Jake Tapper pointed out, it has come at the cost of the U.S. dollar.

Since then, the stock market has rebounded nicely. The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) is off a March low of 6,547 points, even topping the 10,000-mark recently. But what has caused this nearly 50-percent jump? According to CNBC's Larry Kudlow - loose monetary policy by the Federal Reserve, with low interest rates, has made it possible for the markets to rise, with the 'loose' money going into the market.

"The funny thing is, Steven, it has gone into stocks - I mean the stock market guys ... there's no real multiplier for the economy, right?" Kudlow said on his Oct. 30 CNBC program. "But it has gone into stocks and the stock market crowd wants to see the Fed to keep pouring the money in no matter what happens to the U.S. dollar."

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And CNBC's senior economics reporter Steve Liesman agreed. But he warned that if policymakers were to intervene to shore up a weakening U.S. dollar, it would send the stock market down. However, Kudlow explained that a stable dollar would put confidence back in the U.S. economy - and that it would be good for stocks in the long run, while not causing the inflationary response associated with propping up a fragile economy by devaluing the U.S. dollar.

"Rick Santelli, what Steve's got wrong is in the long run, a solid economy, a balanced economy, a non-inflationary economy with a solid dollar - doesn't have to rise, just solid, stable - would be great for stocks."

"Solid dollar, good fiscal discipline - the dollar and stocks would go up," CNBC CME floor reporter Rick Santelli said.

Liesman, who has championed these interventionist policies by the federal government, insisted that propping up the economy this way would lead to a strengthening dollar.

"You both have it backwards - a solid economy will give you a solid dollar," Liesman said.

That's smoke and mirrors, according to Santelli. The fact that the market is rising in value means little, unless an individual is actually vested in the market. There are other indicators that show the health of the U.S. economy isn't where it needs to be - unemployment approaching 10 percent and inflationary signs like the rise in the price of commodities like gold and oil.

"Exactly - and you're not going to have a solid economy without the government creating a façade through the equity markets and diluted dollars that everything is OK," Santelli said. "Because 50 percent of America, especially those that don't own stocks or are unemployed - they know what's going on."

Liesman maintained the Obama and Bush administrations' line - that under circumstances, loose monetary policy at the cost of the value of the U.S. dollar, is necessary and without it, the economy would be in much worse shape. Santelli disagreed with that argument.

"Just like if we wouldn't have had all the bailouts, we would have had a Depression," Santelli said. "I'm not buying any of it."

And it's not a matter of political affiliation, as Kudlow explained. Both President George W. Bush and Obama got it wrong. Who got it right? Presidents Bill Clinton, a Democrat, and Ronald Reagan, a Republican.

"The Bush administration was wrong about the dollar, I'll say that again for the umpteenth time," Kudlow said. "And this administration is wrong about the dollar and the last president to get the dollar right was Bill Clinton, who had it right, and Ronald Reagan before him."

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Media Flat heads

As long as the media Flat Heads gush good about Obama, information like this will never get to the average voter.

about the dollar going down

I've been talking to a few friends today about the value of the dollar going down, and due to lives being busy, many of them were totally unaware of it, even if they read the newspaper.(most don't read the financial section if there is one in the paper they get)

Out of them, a couple of them don't appear to be worried, which translates to them being woefully ignorant about how bad it will be when the fit hits the shan.(they aren't liberal, btw)

The others, some of their reaction was like "oh sh!t.....tell me you're kidding."  Other reactions varied from talking to a congressman's office to speading the word to others.  I advised them that things like the health care/tax and crap and a few other things could easily send our economy into a tailspin and again, they had no idea.

I think it's safe to say this might be representative of a lot of people in this country that aren't aware, except maybe those who watch Fox News, (or Fox Business) but the friends I mentioned above don't really watch Fox all that much at all.  So use your judgment as to wondering how many people are about as informed as the ones I talked to.(which is to say not hardly at all)

Conclusion:  I think this will cause a really big panic in the country, particularly in the big cities where city government plays a big day-to-day role and if they are gone/unavailable for a long period of time which seems to be a strong possibility in a crashed economy.(think firemen, police, ambulance, other city services like DMV, courts, welfare offices, social security offices, and on and on)

I hope I'm wrong.

-Jon

~They are deliberately driving the dollar down

It is no longer the world's reserve currency, the Fed is buying up all our debt because no one else wants it, Iran will be selling it's oil for euros now rather than dollars, 40% of our income taxes this year will go just to paying the interest on the national debt, and that's just the beginning. Links supporting all that and more are here.

The government is deliberately killing our economy.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

choir here

Oh I know all of that, believe me.  What I was relaying above was who I consider the average people that really don't know about all this.  I figured at least one of them might know, they didn't. 

Some of them are still of the belief that it's just pure incompetence rather than a deliberate action, even after 10 months and explain it to them why it couldn't be incompetence.

-Jon

~Hahaha!

Can you tell this subject gets me riled up?

I'm so ticked I've been amassing all the info I can find on it!

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

 

about the blissful ignorance

It's the same with some friends and aquaintances of mine.  They don't know what the  is going on,hell, I was clueless about how  ACORN  and others have been  altering election outcomes for years and believe me I am wide awake now.

 

 

You are not wrong

Jon-

No, you are not wrong.  I posted about this a few weeks ago.  Once my 17 year old graduates (May), my family and I are out of California for good.  Going to TN, out in the country, our own natural gas wells, oil well, creeks for hydroelectric power, plenty of land to grow vegetables.

We are going off the grid.  And we can't wait.

I have spent the last 22 years in the financial world, from Wall Street to Main Street.  Economically, I have never been scared s**tless...until now. The system is telling folks buy and hold, buy and hold; the market always goes up in the long run.  Don't you believe it.  December of 1998 through December of 2008, a lost decade.  If you bought and held, you lost.  People don't have 80 years (the average stock market chart financial advisors show clients) to build for retirement...they have 15-20 years.  And a lost decade, or a year like 2008 (down 40%) will kill a portfolio.  

Want to win?  Find an advisor that uses tactical allocation, going in and out as the market dictates.  Educate yourself, listen and learn.  And DO NOT rely on CNBC; they are only out to sell you something.

Good luck, all. 

Welcome to the South

You will love moving to TN.  I moved from the Chicago are to Arkansas in 1986 and have never regretted it.  Sure, it's not perfect, and for the life of me I can't figure why Arkansas still clings to it's yellow dog democrat roots and elects dems for gov and senators, even though they vote repubs for President, but hopefully that will change if/when Republicans get more conservative.

There are nice people all over the United States, so don't get me wrong.  But there is something about living in the South that reminds me of when America was a more cordial, friendly, repsecful place.

jon, you are exactly right

People in this country are painfully slow to react, and generally not until they see something coming along that is going to affect them directly, such as ObamaCare, over which some of us actually managed to get off the couch and hit the Internet, phones, and streets to protest.

The time to have hit the streets was back when TARP was being hammered out, as I believe that lunacy will eventually be proven to be the total scam I suspect that it is.

Face it, Bush allowed himself to be completely horn-swaggled by Paulson & Co. He should have just said no.

The same goes for the collapsing dollar, which TARP and Porkulus (which should have caused a mass uprising as well), along with some other things, are helping to destroy.

When it finally collapses completely, I believe it will happen literally over-night, and the American sheeple are going to wake up one morning and realize their fiat money is worthless.

Of course, it will be too late by that point, as President KAOS will have completed everything that he set out to do last January.

I truly believe our absolute last chance to stop this insanity is going to be next November. If we are unable to, I truly believe 2012 will be too late, and by 2016, this is going to be our national anthem.

I hope I'm wrong, too, but history is most definitley not on our side here.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.  

             Wi

             With obama & his gang members, we will soon be a third world country, just like they wanted in the first place.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

Why the stock market rebounded

Stocks have staged a rally since March 09 because that's when Obama and his policies of cap and trade and nationalized health care started to run into trouble.

The dollar has been getting clobbered because our short-term rates are at zero percent or close to zero and our deficit is balooning.  There is no historical relationship that shows causation for a weak dollar and a strong equity market.  (Actually, it's just the opposite.  Why would foreign capital flow to a country that is having curency trouble?  Even if your equity purchase rises, you lose on the foreign exchange part of the transaction.) 

As long as Obama's policies appear in trouble, there is hope that we can remain a Free Market country and maybe even wake up enough people to go back to more conservative economic policies.  If we start slipping down the slope of Jan and Feb 09 when things looked their bleakest, the market will go in the tank again.

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