It's no secret General Electric (NYSE:GE) has a lot to gain from the regulation of greenhouse gases, so is it a coincidence NBC, a GE product, offered more anecdotal evidence that global warming is putting the planet in danger?
"NBC Nightly News" provided yet another report on Sept. 20 agonizing about anthropogenic climate change melting ice in Greenland.
"There are new concerns tonight about the effects of global warming," "Nightly News" anchor Lester Holt said. "A new study warns rapidly melting ice in Greenland could result in a colossal rise in ocean levels."
But for every report "Nightly News" has shown over the years claiming the ice melt as evidence climate change is occurring, there are many contrary anecdotes the network ignores. For example, ice in Antarctica is expanding according to data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado (The Australian reported the growth of ice in Antarctica in April 2009), which has gone unreported by NBC.
Yet NBC chief environmental affairs correspondent Anne Thompson reported on the massive ice deterioration in Greenland, not the expanding Antarctic ice.
"Recently the ice here has undergone a dramatic change," Thompson said. "Just a short 10 years ago, the ice was 45 feet higher than it is today."
That increase in melting in Greenland is a result of greenhouse gases, Thompson declared.
"Increased melting caused by greenhouse gases warming the earth," Thompson explained. "For thousands of years, Steffensen says the earth's climate has endured changes, but slowly enough to allow humans to adapt. Now change is picking up speed."
Thompson's report was based on the work of J. P. Steffensen, a scientist that has specialized in studying the effects of climate on Greenland and other cultures in history. But he even admitted the models might not be able to get it right.
"It worries me that we might be able to trigger a global change which is much faster than even the models can predict," Steffensen said.
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I ignore the Nightly News...
September 21, 2009 - 13:33 ET by P. Aaron...unless it's FOX or Glenn Beck. That way I know I'm pissing somebody off.
Not 100% accurate
September 21, 2009 - 13:38 ET by MrModerateHere is what the NSIDC says...
Media Advisory: Arctic sea ice reaches lowest extent for 2009
The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) is part of the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences at the University of Colorado at Boulder. NSIDC scientists provide Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis content, with partial support from NASA.
The Arctic sea ice cover appears to have reached its minimum extent for the year, the third-lowest extent recorded since satellites began measuring minimum sea ice extent in 1979. While this year’s minimum extent was greater than the past two years, it is still below the long-term average, and well outside the range of natural variability.
NSIDC will issue a formal press release at the beginning of October with full analysis of the possible causes behind this year's ice conditions, particularly interesting aspects of the melt season, the set up going into the winter growth season ahead, and graphics comparing this year to the long-term record.
Full NSIDC announcement: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
NSIDC press office: leitzell@nsidc.org or +1 303.492.1497
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"well outside the range of
September 21, 2009 - 13:49 ET by NL207"well outside the range of natural variability."
These wisenheimers have been measuring this parameter for the last 30 years of a 4,500,000,000 year history. How do they know what the range of natural variability is? They do not even know what the range of natural variability has been with any real accuracy for the last 3000 years.
Put NSIDC now into the Obama propaganda camp
September 21, 2009 - 14:15 ET by 10ksnookerNSDIC probably got their funding threatened by some science czar or something.Their ice extent satellite sensors broke down and they keep reporting.
What really going on is here 2009 Arctic Sea Ice Extent exceeds 2005 for this date These sensors are in working order -- we have turned the corner earlier than last year, and now that the sun is about ready to go over the equator, ice extent has started increasing for the year.
In Greenland the Vikings lived and farmed there for 200+ years around 1000 AD.
You want some fun and games, the Chinese Commies now tell the truth, and America now spreads the commie propaganda, Chinese Climate Wisdom
If you pay attention you
September 21, 2009 - 14:40 ET by danboIf you pay attention you will see what they're measuring is sea surface with at least 15% ice coverage.
If you have have a large area with 15% ice coverage, and strong winds or tides push that ice in a smaller area with 50% ice coverage. Do you have less Ice?
And this only goes back 30 years.
HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)
Two yers ago we were told
September 21, 2009 - 16:49 ET by danboTwo years ago we were told that there was too much ice that was only 1 year old. That it would melt easily. Last winter we were told there was too much ice less than 2 years old.
I suspect in the coming months we'll be lectured on all the dreaded 3 year old ice.
HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)
Natural what?
September 21, 2009 - 16:08 ET by CobraMan"well outside the range of natural variability."
How far "outside the rage" was it when a kilometer or more of ice covered the pole for several thousand years?
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LET'S SEE....IT'S NAMED "GREENLAND" BECAUSE.....?
September 21, 2009 - 13:36 ET by SgthulkaThe norse settlers were able to farm there, but eventually the settlements were forced to abandon due to the climate.
I wonder what the Vikings favorite SUV was?
Yep, the Vikings set up
September 21, 2009 - 15:49 ET by winston smithYep, the Vikings set up successful sheep grazing and wool operations, small-scale farming villages, iron works, etc. on Greenland in the middle ages. From what I know about history, there were no SUVs in 970 A.D., so I wonder what caused the environment to warm way back then? What shameful, greedy, insidious, capitalist carbon-based activies were taking place way back then to cause the earth to warm and cause Greenland to become "green"?? I have yet to hear an AGW liberal ever explain that one.
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Greenland, Land of the SnowCone
September 21, 2009 - 16:23 ET by CobraMan"LET'S SEE....IT'S NAMED "GREENLAND" BECAUSE.....?"
Because of all the money that the Vikings were making with all the SnowCone machines the Viking were able to stock with all the ice that's been in Greenland for, well, forever!
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GE CEO Immelt sez "We need more melting stories, boyz!"
September 21, 2009 - 14:00 ET by SickofLibsGood thing the water at the bottom of the world never mixes with the water at the top of the world.
Ice is building up in the Artic, Today.
September 21, 2009 - 14:01 ET by upcountrywaterMore ice tomorrow.
Super El Nino, fizzle
The 2009 “super El Nino” predicted by some may be a “fizzle”
according reports attributed to NASA JPL’s Climatologist Bill Patzert.
I wonder who he might be referring to when he says “eroding the
credibility”? Hansen’s prediction perhaps?
Freeze warning in Navada..scroll down a bit.
Maybe that "little lamp up there called the Sun".. has something to do with it.
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On Ellesmere Island north
September 21, 2009 - 14:11 ET by danboOn Ellesmere Island north of Baffin Bay and n of most of Greenland you have the remains of a forest. They're not fossilized but mummified. They froze long beofre today and long before the Vikings.
May I ask what caused this forest to grow. Then freeze.
HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)
But there used to be
September 21, 2009 - 17:50 ET by general companyGlaciers in Arizona, and by god they want them back!!
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GE wind Turbine commercials
September 21, 2009 - 14:23 ET by nicksmith112GE wind Turbine commercials on NBC during the football game last night!
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Jeff. Let's take a look at NASA's Temp history.
September 21, 2009 - 14:25 ET by Gary HallJeff. Let's take a look at NASA's temperature record in the area.
The closest official station I could find, in a flash, which offered up an extended record of temperature in the area is approx 190 miles to the south (a stone's throw, in earth's climate change terms).
Godthab Nuuk, Greenland:
Wow! Looks like the climate there got pretty warm back before all the greenhouse gases were released, then cooled off for about 60 years as the earth's atmosphere was clogged with massive amounts of CO2. A little return to warming, since 1990, or so - but not as warm as in the first 1/2 of the twentieth century - and now it looks like it's cooling, once again.
Color me surprised.
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Where's the Hockey Stick?
September 21, 2009 - 15:09 ET by dbo22 Arctic temperature records.
dbo
September 21, 2009 - 15:46 ET by Gary Hall...that's a real handy link. Thanks,
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NBC's new mission statement:
September 21, 2009 - 14:28 ET by StogieGuyLet's not allow facts to get in the way of our political agenda.
Hence their hiring of a combination of idealogues and idiots to report all the news that's "fit" to vomit into America's living rooms.
45 feet higher
September 21, 2009 - 14:31 ET by SweetnessSo if the ice was 45 feet higher a mere 10 years ago, it must have had a devastating effect on sea level, right?
Great comments. I'm dying
September 21, 2009 - 14:55 ET by MaximusBraveheartGreat comments. I'm dying laughing you guys! There is just so much good material here that the MSM seems to miss. Perhaps the FCC should investigate the GE - NBC conclomerate and force GE to sell NBC now. Not such a good idea to have propaganda vs. news huh? Next, the WH would buy up NBC so it can be even more controlled. That is O's idea of transparency. So transparent the Media and Obama are one in the same literally. M-B
GE and NBC
September 21, 2009 - 15:39 ET by slickwillie2001So true. What would the liberals think if Halliburton/KBR tried to buy the ABC network? Or Exxon-Mobil buy CBS?
Volume
September 21, 2009 - 14:50 ET by BeanMan"This report indicated that the melting of Greenland's ice would cause "...a colossal rise in ocean levels."
The volume of ice on Greenland, which is many hundreds of feet thick in areas, would be substantially less when melted. In other words, if you could put all of the ice on Greenland in a glass and let it melt the volume of water would be substantially less than the volume of ice. It's that silly triple-point/slope thingy that shows us this. Then all of that water poured into the ocean would not make a significant difference in the world wide level of ocean water.
Colossal only describes Lester Holt's ignorance.
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melting versus evaporation?
September 21, 2009 - 15:25 ET by jon_torlinI didn't really see it anywhere in this segment, but ice can and does evaporate without melting into liguid, don't these dolts know that? Granted, it's not the same everywhere, but in cold environments, it does happen.
Try this experiment: Freeze a small container of liguid, maybe a cup of water. When the water's solid, take it out of the container(assuming it's non-stick) and leave it in the freezer without anything around it. Check it out over time, you'll see that piece of ice start to gradually get smaller.
Or if you have an ice-maker and if you don't use the ice for a while as it sits in its basin, the ice cubes get smaller, that's the evaporation.
Glaciers do this on a large scale, maybe not consistently everywhere, but in the larger areas, it sure does. I bet some of these enviro-wee-weenies never knew that. They'll probably deny it once you tell them.
When this happens, there's no runoff of liguid like there is in the rocky mountains or other places that get a few inches of snow and aren't in extreme cold temperatures as often as the North and South Pole.
Sheesh, I'll probably be branded as a heretic for saying the above.
-Jon
Sublimation
September 21, 2009 - 17:18 ET by CobraManYou're describing sublimation, and it happens all the time. I've watched snow evaporate in 10 below zero temperatures, right in my own back yard. All you need is a little sunlight and, bam, sublimation! Oh, and that process doesn't raise or lower any sea levels any where in the world.
It does cause variations in ice or snow depths, sometimes dramatically. It can shrink ice or snow depths in one are and raise them in another when that additional moisture condenses out of the atmosphere by the process called Radiation frost in areas where sublimation isn't occurring but the ground temperatures are similar, or even warmer. In other words, the system is balanced. Ice or snow evaporates in one area, and condenses in another area, all without reaching a liquid state. This form moisture transfer has absolutely no effect on sea levels, which is probably why you NEVER hear the "scientists" talk about it when referring to Global Warming.
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Interesting you 2
September 21, 2009 - 18:00 ET by general companyI always though the winds was doing it?
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Happens on calm days too
September 21, 2009 - 18:47 ET by CobraManIt happens on calm days too.
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Couldn't remember the word
September 21, 2009 - 22:20 ET by jon_torlinThanks CobraMan, I knew I forgot the word to what I was describing. Sublimation is exactly the correct word.
I might have been a little rusty on terminology, but the effects are still the same, I was giving a layman's version of it, hence my predicting that I'd be branded a heretic.
Bad thing is, even if you described it like that, the enviro-wee-weenies would deny such a thing existed and still blame that on global warming....I mean climate change...I mean meltoff...I mean...wait...what else is there?
-Jon
In the real world
September 21, 2009 - 16:45 ET by taterIn the real world though...sunspot activity has still been pretty dead and the last day of summer is seeing snow and freeze warnings in the Rocky Mountains.
Going to be barely into the 60s tomorrow in the Great Plains.
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Where's the dramatic increase?
September 21, 2009 - 17:41 ET by CobraManI've always heard the Global Warming theorists tell me that sea levels will rise dramatically if even a little ice melts due to global warming yet I've never seen any changes in sea levels when TRILLIONS of tons of snow accumulates in the hemispheres during local winter seasons and all that snow melts in the summer seasons. How come we don't see a cyclic rise and fall of sea levels four times a year?
This variation in sea levels should be especially apparent when the Northern hemisphere experiences seasonal changes as the Northern hemisphere actually experiences a greater temperature swing than the southern hemisphere due to the tilt of the earth. Why don't we notice the drop in sea levels when the north is entering the winter season and TRILLIONS of tons of snow and ice is accumulating? Why also don't we notice a rise in sea levels when those TRILLIONS of tons of snow and ice melt in the spring ?
If the theories are correct and sea levels are affected by a small change in accumulated ice and snow, as they say, then we should be seeing this happen every year! Yet, in spite of the "expertize" of "respected" global warming scientists and their vaunted theories, NO ONE has noticed the sea levels rising and falling just a few inches in sync with the seasons. So, where's the changes in sea that are supposed to occur? We don't even see any MINOR changes when those changes are supposed to be occurring, according to theory anyways.
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If I said to you "I'm not
September 21, 2009 - 19:20 ET by ThisnThatIf I said to you "I'm not sure how much money I have, but I think I have $10, plus or minus $8", would you think I'm nuts? That's almost like saying "I have $2, or maybe $10, or maybe $18 -- but whatever it is, you've gotta believe I'm good at measurement and estimation, right?"
Why do I ask. Because of this NASA report regarding Antartic ice loss. Here's the important statistic, quote: "The team found that the net loss of ice mass from Antarctica increased from 112 (plus or minus 91) gigatonnes a year in 1996 to 196 (plus or minus 92) gigatonnes a year in 2006."
Hey, folks, this is identical to 10, +- 8. And this is the basis for everyone's scare tactics? NBC is asking me to believe anything with this wide of range of numbers??? Good grief.
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There can only be one side
September 21, 2009 - 20:03 ET by GregEThere can only be one side to the global warming agenda. If there are two sides, that would create for a discussion, and discussions on global warming are unacceptable.
Facts Never Get In The Way of a Story
September 21, 2009 - 20:46 ET by DoktorFrankenI just read today or yesterday that the North Atlantic Ocean has been getting colder and that we're going through a few decades of global cooling. Why are these idiots continuing to show everyone with a brain what idiots they are?
Idiots.
Maybe they left out
September 22, 2009 - 09:23 ET by mamabearMaybe they left out information about Antarctic ice because it is such a complicated subject.
Different things are happening on the eastern and western halves of the continent. Overall, sea ice is increasing, but land ice, the kind they are worried about in Greenland, is shrinking. Sea ice is increasing despite the fact that both ocean and atmospheric temperatures are rising, very slowly in the east and more rapidly than any other place on the planet in the west. No one seems to know why.
I found a great explanation of what's going on in Antartica here:
http://www.wundergro...
It is
September 22, 2009 - 09:41 ET by jessieHIt is impossible to predict what the earth will become in the future. If they can predict the future, where is Jimmy Hoffa?