If you've been keeping up with the health care debate, opponents of President Barack Obama's health care plan have been accused of spreading misinformation to thwart the administration's efforts. Even Obama himself said recently that those who raised the abortion concern were "bearing false witness." But the same sorts of claims have come up in the media.
For example, on August 18 left-wing MSNBC host Ed Schultz interviewed Linda Douglass, communications director for the White House Office of Health Reform and a former ABC reporter.
"[F]ifty-four percent believe that abortion is going to be funded," Schultz to Douglass on "The Ed Show." "Fifty-four percent believe that there's going to be a government takeover. And 45 percent believe that death panels are going to be there for the elderly. I should point out, none of those are true. So, obviously, the White House is not connecting with the American people."
Douglass, also on his show agreed that was indeed the case. "Well, Ed, you're absolutely right, none of those things is true," Douglass said. "And the White House has made a very clear message to the country that we understand that you need protections against unfair insurance practices."
However, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., explained during a tele-town hall meeting on Aug. 20 how ObamaCare could force American taxpayers to pay for abortions. While there is no language in the House bill specifically allocating funds for abortions, it delegates the authority to determine what is covered to the administration's Department of Health and Human Services.
"Well the Democrats are saying it's not in the language - that we have to cover abortion," DeMint said. "And it's not. Republicans offered an amendment in the House to make sure taxpayers would not subsidize abortion through this plan. The Democrats voted it down because in the language, it gives the Department of Health and Human Services the prerogative to decide what these plans have to cover."
Therefore with an unambiguously pro-abortion Kathleen Sebelius as HHS secretary, it stands to reason abortion funding could be OK'd at the executive level, according to the Senator.
"So the assumption of the Democrats is, is with a Democrat administration, the regulations would be written to force people to pay for abortions - elective abortions - through this public insurance plan. And I'm convinced based on the political pressures that this plan will ultimately force Americans to pay for abortion," DeMint added.
The answer: True. Nonetheless, liberals have continued to maintain that abortion funding is a myth.
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One of the things that I've
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:38 ET by ElyasOne of the things that I've noticed is that they don't give definitive proof that people against health care reform are "misinformed".
They are just able to say, "What are opponents say are not true" and the nodding heads in the MSM just agree.
Reproductive Rights are the
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:43 ET by bigtimerReproductive Rights are the words O is using....and they expect the private insurance companies to follow suit if O-Care passes and this is in it.
I heard it from his own mouth, and no I don't have a link, I heard it yesterday somewhere, and it has stayed glued in my mind.
DeMint is right...I watched the vote.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Reproductive Rights!
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 20:18 ET by RukusThe left uses this phrase to make abortion ok. Bastards! Where are the baby's rights?? Barry has no problem killing innocents! I hate leftists! They will all rot in hell! I know you have kids, as do I, we would never kill our kids as the Obamabots would. Bless you bt, my four kids are proof that conservatives hold life above all, as the Lord says. I am so pissed at the left! I often think of what would the aborted kids could have brought to our society... it makes me sick. Never had a chance. I'm gonna stop here as I am getting really pissed! The left are all going to hell. I'll try to forgive them as I should, but it's hard to do. Arrrrgh! Rant off! : (
Gary
A liberal's generosity is limited only by your income.
Here's a link for ya
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 00:42 ET by ArcherBI don't know if this is where you heard it, but here is a link that has the video included:
HERE
http://townhall.com/blog/g/0b8872a8-7842-4f1d-93bb-7e813e35b8de?comments=true&commentsSortDirection=Descending
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
^%&^%^
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:48 ET by misterbillReproductive rights are not the problem-- it is reproductive wrongs that we are fighting here.
misterb... You got that
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:51 ET by bigtimermisterb...
You got that right.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
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Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:52 ET by EugeniaIf they're trying to make health insurance care a right and abortion is a constitutional right (bogus though it is), how wouldn't we pay for it through our taxes? It's not even logical. One "right" will have to pay for another one.
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything."
-- GK Chesterton
That's what I'm afraid of
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 19:23 ET by KC MulvilleThey don't have to say they're going to fund it. All they have to do is pass a piece of paper that declares healthcare a right. The lawyers will take care of the rest.
Anytime the Administration
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 18:17 ET by JAJTAnytime the Administration goes out of it's way to try to have a "fact check" or "fight the smear" sort of website etc, then you know it is there. it's a good thing that more and more americans are waking up and speaking up and they truly distrust this gov't more..
JAJT
Abortioon is in there
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 18:37 ET by sevenIt is called women's health services
Or is it reproductive
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 19:13 ET by danboOr is it reproductive issues or rights etc?
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Democrats voted against prohibiting taxpayer funded abortions.
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 19:17 ET by TailgunnerDemocrats did not propose alternate legislation to prohibit taxpayer-funded abortions.
They simply defeated GOP proposals.
Therefore Democrats want taxpayer-funded abortions.
Q.E.D.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Death panels
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 19:55 ET by dmaley1714Yes the bill does not authorize or use the words "death panels" so there is no reason to worry. There will omly be medical councils of experts to decide who gets what or which treatment near the end of life. Of course yoiu liberal idiots no one is goingto authorize a death council and name it that.
Linda Douglass
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 21:09 ET by TexndocDo I see "White House Communication Director for Health Care Reform" next to her name? If "45% believe..." and "50% believe...." and "44% believe...." and it's all wrong, why does she still have a job?
Not 'could', but 'will'
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 21:15 ET by BarkerTrue: ObamaCare Will Fund Abortions
True: ObamaCare Will Fund Euthanasia
ObamaCare will kill you before it's your time to be born, and it will kill you before it's your time to die, and those 'fortunate' enough to be alive will be damned.
Now, who wants to bear some false witness against me?
Bearing Some Falsw Witness
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 21:33 ET by phshaw01Barker..so very well said!! Amen Brother!
Echo?
Fri, 08/21/2009 - 21:29 ET by fenngibbon"...left wing MSNBC host..."
Isn't that redundant?
A couple of comments
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 00:59 ET by KayLeeFirst of all I am a health care professional and it is common practice in hospitals to talk to all patients, on admission, regarding living wills, medical power of attorneys and code status. This is not done for nefarious purposes; we just need to know as health care providers what treatments patients do or do not want if they become debilitated and unable to make those choices. We urge all patients to speak with their families regarding end of life issues. This helps alleviate the stress and anxiety associated with making life or death decisions in the midst of a health crisis. Although times like these are never easy, it helps the family when they have directives to fall back on, i.e., this is what mom / dad would have wanted.
Secondly it is my understanding that it has yet to be decided which services will or will not be covered under Obama's plan. So they push the bill through then make all these decisions, correct? Isn't this the same thing as writing a blank check or changing the rules of the game once the game has already started?
Lastly, according to Dictionary.com the definition of reproduction is: "Biology. the natural process among organisms by which new individuals are generated and the species perpetuated." I find this definition incongruent with reproductive rights and abortion. You know darn well they're going to try to provide indiscriminate abortion coverage.
According to the Supreme Court,
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 01:11 ET by Delsaif the bill does not exempt abortion, then abortion is allowed to be funded by taxpayer dollars.
The measures to place specific prohibitions to abortion were defeated by democrats.
ABORTION WOULD BE FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS!
Period.
They claim it's a myth
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 01:16 ET by mattmThey claim it's a myth because they think everyone is stupid.
I wonder, does "end of life" care apply to fetuses?
Lying for socialists is
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 05:54 ET by Andrew H.Lying for socialists is like drinking water, very easy and very often.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Abortion same as illegals
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 11:17 ET by slickwillie2001The democratics strategy on this is exactly as that for illegal aliens. They will refuse any amendments to deny funding for abortions, just as they do amendments to block illegal aliens. They will not allow any mention of abortions or illegal aliens in Obamacare, and therefore the default position will be that they will be covered. This is all a game played with the cooperation of the liberal media.
The so-called factcheckers look at the Obamacare bill and intone, –"no, there's absolutely nothing in here on abortion or illegal aliens." But that means that they will be covered.
Planned Parenthood Will Reveal The Truth
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 12:52 ET by BigSpoon65Does Planned Parenthood which is nothing more than an abortion mill stand behind the presidents plan? The answer is "Yes". There is no way that they would support a plan that cuts them out of the public trough. Republicans tried to add an amendment to the bill that would specifically rule out taxpayer funded abortion and the democrats killed it. Go figure! They are nothing but a pack of dishonest lying crooks. Don't believe a word they say. How do you take 500 billion from medicare and tell seniors they won't lose any coverage? How stupid do they think we are? All of this crap needed to happen in order for the democrats to reveal how much contempt they actually have for their serfs., I mean constituents. There is a bloodbath coming in 2010 for the democrat party and it won't come soon enough!
Winston Churchill ~ "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."