Are you wary of the federal government using taxpayer dollars to advise senior citizens on "end-of-life" issues? If so, you're just "cruel," according to former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now the communications director for the White House Office of Health Reform.
Douglass appeared on MSNBC's Aug. 12 "Dr. Nancy," with host Nancy Snyderman. Snyderman pointed out that some of the discussion about end-of-life care is just craziness and these "rumors" are difficult to combat (even though there is precedent for governments involved heavily in health care to take such measures, as Michelle Malkin pointed out.)
"I think the criticism about this euthanasia and death panels is just craziness," Snyderman said. "That, in fact, we should be talking about death and dying earlier, but these are rumors that aren't going away."
The perplexed Snyderman asked Douglass what she was going to do about the "misinformation, wanting to knock off old people."
Douglass said, "It is obviously terribly incorrect, even cruel to say that, to give seniors the opportunity to get some professional advice when they want to write a living will, when they want to figure out what they want to do with the end of life if anything were to happen," Douglass said.
According to Douglass, the federal government does have a legitimate role to play, intruding into families as a Medicare-financed death counselor.
"These are such hard conversations for people to have inside their families," Douglass continued. "Adult children sometimes say, ‘Oh mom, oh dad - you're going to live forever, let's not talk about it.' I mean, all this is, is the opportunity, voluntarily if a senior wants to have a conversation about a living will, to have this conversation conducted with a medical professional, covered by Medicare."
Opposing this intrusion on any grounds is, according to Douglass, just an effort to "prohibit" seniors from having access to professional advice.
"And it's very, very unfortunate that for whatever reason, this has been so misleading and distorted and as I say, it really is cruel to try to prohibit seniors from having access to professional advice that would be very helpful for any family," Douglass added.
And guess what! Snyderman agreed with Douglass' talking points. "You know," she said, "that's the first time I've heard anyone use the word ‘cruel,' talking about health care and I happened to think you hit the nail on the head," Snyderman said. "I think it is cruel. I don't think we're talking about the smart stuff and there's nothing more frightening than losing power to make your own decisions when you're infirmed. Better to make those decisions when you have all your faculties. I agree with you."
But it should come as no surprise that Snyderman is in the tank for ObamaCare. According to an Aug. 5 Media Reality Check about TV news doctors' donations to Democratic politicians and tilt in favor of ObamaCare, Snyderman gave two contributions totaling $800 to Democratic candidates while working for Johnson & Johnson (after leaving ABC News and before joining NBC). Following Obama's July 22 press conference, Snyderman even said "I was rooting for the President to hit a home run."
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Funny
August 12, 2009 - 14:12 ET by StarAZFunny--I have never felt the need to ask my doctor about the legal intricacies of an Advance Care Directive. Wouldn't that be a lawyer--or just sign one and have it on file? Someone--Gibbsy maybe--said hospitals already ask for these at the behest of the govt, so the govt was already involved. That was a stretch! All of these things are stretches--these people must be very limber.
Good old talking points at
August 12, 2009 - 14:18 ET by bigtimerGood old talking points at work as usual for the leftist talking heads...
Misinformation...misleading...distorted....cruel...craziness.
Hey...Newsflash you dupes...those words APPLY to YOU!
Especially your lying leader in charge...I watched him yesterday...I was more than furious...you would laugh normally at all his outright lies, and the plants in the audience, especially obvious the teen-aged gal...it was all pathetic, same as Snyderman, Douglas, along with all their ilk are.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Don't forget angry, rude,
August 12, 2009 - 14:39 ET by ReaverDon't forget angry, rude, unamerican... I remember when dissent used to be cool. Now its like totally uncool.
If stupidity got us into this mess,
then why can't it get us out?
--Will Rogers
Unlike Snyderman and
August 12, 2009 - 14:25 ET by celatorUnlike Snyderman and Douglass, some of us have read the House version of Obama's HellCare bill. To save them the trouble of actually reading the bill, I can summarize it in four words:
Obama Lied
Grandpa Died
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Expert opinion?
August 12, 2009 - 14:27 ET by acumenSnyderman - "I think it is cruel."
She should know. This is the same "compassionate" doctor that refers to abortion as the 'deliberate removal of fetal tissue'.
The danger of "rule by
August 12, 2009 - 14:59 ET by mattmThe danger of "rule by expert" is that experts are often wrong....and disasterously so.
We need experts to perform the tasks we have for them, not to tell us what we should do. Experts wanted a bridge to nowhere, an ordinary common-sense housewife from backwater Alaska knew better.
Cruel?
August 12, 2009 - 14:29 ET by BondPlainBondHow about 'Wise', 'Rational', 'Reasonable', 'Prudent', 'Trendy'?
The problem with trying to
August 12, 2009 - 14:35 ET by mattmThe problem with trying to argue about the details of this, or that, bill is that it assumes that it's legitimate even to consider a government-run healthcare system at all.
Obviously, the left is driving the debate, they passed the bill, but if I were at a town-hall meeting, my question would be "what makes you (Ms. Congressperson) think that, other than providing relief for the indigent, running healthcare system or any other segment of the economy, is a legitimate role for any government?"
I saw this somewhere the other day, and I thought you'd like it:
August 12, 2009 - 15:12 ET by arkansaszippersThis morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity
generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department
of energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels
to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic
and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be
like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national
aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my
breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the
drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug
administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept
accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the
US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety
administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads
built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation,
possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level
determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender
issued by the federal bank.
On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via
the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After work, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my
house which has not burned down in my absence because the state and
local building codes and fire Marshal's inspection, and in additional
to which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the
local police department.
I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense
advanced research projects administration and post rants on
freerepublic.com and FOX News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is
BAD because the government can't do anything right.
sad
August 12, 2009 - 16:27 ET by mattmsad
But. . .
August 12, 2009 - 19:13 ET by JustAlYou set the time on the clock, not a bureaucrat.
You paid for the electricity, not your neighbor.
You can decide what to watch and for how long. (By the way, the majority of satellites are designed, and built by private companies who pay NASA to launch them).
But you won't get the drugs that may save your life because the FDA hasn't been bribed enough by the makers, and you may get some FDA approved drugs that kill you or harm your offspring. But that is ridiculous since you don't exist. . . you can not because your ancestors ate food that beurocrats didn't inspect, so they must have died young before they could reproduce!
And now you can even get into an automobile built by the same great minds who planned "Cash for Clunkers" (and it may last about as long). By the way, most of those roads were built by private contractors. Thanks to EPA you have the pleasure of buying much more expensive, less efficient fuel, congratulations! The currency is from the Federal Reserve (a group of private banks).
Too bad you have to rely on public schools. . . I guess not everyone can be an Obama. Fire codes and local police are great of course. But hey, there is always a chance the Feds can move in and screw that up to!
Wrong
August 12, 2009 - 21:46 ET by UnsaneThe currency is from the Federal Reserve (a group of private banks). Conspiro thinking. And completely wrong.
I know of no private banks that have their boards appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.
None of the banks I do business with can be immediately forced out of existence by the appeal of a single law. Even if credit unions were made illegal - they could just change their names as a dodge, most likely.
The Federal Reserve is very much an arm of the government -but it is kept at a distance from the government in order to lend the currency some legitimacy. It's one of the things that separate the dollar (and other currencies regulated by independent central banks) from such old "soft" currencies like the Soviet ruble and the Ostmark.
Do your homework ncxt time.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Don't let the trolls get to
August 13, 2009 - 08:27 ET by mattmDon't let the trolls get to you (I know, that's rich, coming from me), but none of that stuff in that smug little piece is necessary, and much of it is inaccurate and misleading anyway - as if the internet wouldn't exist without government.
To me, that article doesn't justify socialist healthcare, it just shows how many things the government needs to get out of.
The internet developed by the military - probably because no private citizens could afford the systems necessary to develop it.
City water? USDA inspected food? Free-markets could deliver all this stuff much more efficiently if the bureaucrats would just get out of the way.
"We don't need the national weather service to know which way the wind blows" - Matt Dylan
Rebuttal to silliness
August 12, 2009 - 21:38 ET by UnsaneYou, and the author of this piece, are both infants, mewling and puking in a nurse's arms (h/t to The Bard).
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. While this happened, millions of other people awoke to an alarm clock powered by electricity generated by private power companies. When I signed my lease in an apartment I had in Houston, I was presented a list of several utility companies to choose from. I paid considerably less for my power bill from the firm I chose to do business with than with any publicly owned utility. I'm stuck with a government monopoly now. I wish I could revert to privately provided electricity.
And in many places you can compete among water districts depending on where you live. You can also choose where to move to based on them. And some people don't even rely on them. They just drill wells. A few weeks ago I saw an interesting story on local television about a guy who harvests rainwater instead of relying on the government.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration. Still, the fda screws up nonetheless. nasa is a bureaucracy run by the most unimaginitive people on earth; pretty sad for an organization which is supposed to be all about science. I hate to be the one to point this out, but nasa does NOT design and build the satellites, and in many cases they do not even launch them. nasa leaves that to companies like Boeing and Lockheed Martin - those evil aerospace companies that are out to make an evil, immoral profit.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory congratulations. congress is given explicit authority in article i of the united states constitution to set the standards of weights and measures AND to fund an army and navy. So the author finally found powers the federal government does in accordance with the constitution. Blind squirrels occasionally find acorns, I guess., I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency which raises gas prices by among other things making the logistics of handling gasoline of different grades and different specifications extremely difficult, using legal tender issued by the federal bank. Hot damn! He found ANOTHER role of the government as specified in the constitution. "To coin money, regulate the value thereof". Another acorn.
On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school. Too bad that even His Majesty The Shahinshah admitted yesterday that private delivery firms outdo the postal service. And as for the public school: how did human civilization get through 6000 years without public school??? And he is not a very good advertisement for public education. The author cannot capitalize proper nouns to save his/her life, as I have been mocking up to this point. I guess the author wasn't taught that very basic skill at that wonderful public school he/she is so very proud of.
After work, I drive my NHTSA car (they still kill very effectively, by the way) back home on the DOT roads (many of which still suck and are full of potholes, and are being upgraded to standards that would have handled traffic 10 to 20 years before but are quickly updated because the DoT can't do good traffic studies), to my house which has not burned down in my absence because the state and local building codes and fire Marshal's inspection, (to hell with VFDs, huh? You know, VFDs that cover the far reaching majority of the country and subsist on donations and fundraisers?) and in additionalto which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department which is staffed by about 10% professionals and 90% mindless assholes and power trippers who believe first and foremost that YOU work for THEM. Oh, and if you dare call on them for their services, you find you were probably better off defending your own property rather than waiting for several minutes for the power trippers to show up, take a few statements, do nothing, and scold and lecture YOU in the process.
I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post rants on freerepublic.com and FOX News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Which the whole point of this article is the justification for this helpless author to be babied, coddled, spoiled and nannied by the State. I bet the author - nor you - can begin to fathom why 85% of the world's medical advances occur here, and not in say, Britain or Canada. Or why so many Canadians head south for medical treatment. Or why a private sector sprang up in Britain because the national health service is so shoddy. Or why so many Brits travel to Hungary for dental treatment. Or why the percentage of private spending on medicine is hitting 40% in the Netherlands.
Before the government you and this author so deeply worship can worry about babying you with a "free" doctor, maybe it ought to figure out how to provide everyone "free" groceries first. I don't need a doctor every day. I DO need groceries every single day.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Well, my cousin in Arkansas
August 13, 2009 - 08:07 ET by arkansaszippersWell, my cousin in Arkansas got cancer, and she was uninsured because she couldn't afford it at the time. So now she's probably going to die prematurely, because she can't afford the treatment. So basically, she is told that her life is worth less because she's not well to do. Kind of like a "death panel," huh? So why don't you try stepping away from this site for a minute and stepping into the real world, where people die every day because it's cheaper to die. But that doesn't really happen when things are run from the private sector, right? Only the government could cause that...
That's the problem, Arkansas, I shoulda known.
August 13, 2009 - 08:44 ET by acaiguanaIf you can get past the red-headed, albino skin inbreeding there; one would suggest your Cousin needs to find someone who can explain Medicare and Medicaid to her; so she can be dependent on my tax dollars for her free existing government care.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
~Arkansas
August 13, 2009 - 08:49 ET by choselife3xHow much money have you and the rest of the family contributed towards her treatment? Or are the rest of us supposed to be forced to pay for her instead?
Have any of you contacted any charities like this one?
Cancer Care also operates the AVONCares Program for Medically
Underserved Women, which provides financial assistance to low-income,
under- and uninsured, underserved women throughout the country who need
supportive services (transportation, child care, and home care) related
to the treatment of breast and cervical cancers.
Telephone: 1-800-813-4673 (1-800-813-HOPE)
Web site: http://www.cancercare.org
Or this one? Oooh...look at all this help from drug companies. You know, all them eeeeevil people.
Or are you just sitting around on your dumb @sses wondering how come the gubmint don't pay for your dumb @sses?
(okay, yes, I'm irritated. Throwing stupid crap around about how his cousin is gonna die when there are MULTITUDES of charities that exist soley for such purposes is STUPID) Or he's lying out his dumb @ss.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
choselife -
August 13, 2009 - 09:18 ET by UnsaneI wouldn't be surprised at all, given AK Zippers' track record on NB, if he is celebrating the fact his cousin has cancer, and is looking forward to her suffering because it will allow him to use her misfortune to pursue a political agenda.
I on the other hand would hope that those resources you posted are put to use and that charity can step in to help out.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
What a dysfunctional family
August 13, 2009 - 09:15 ET by UnsaneWell, my cousin in Arkansas got cancer, and she was uninsured because she couldn't afford it at the time. So now she's probably going to die prematurely, because she can't afford the treatment. So basically, she is told that her life is worth less because she's not well to do. Kind of like a "death panel," huh? Sounds like you have a very sick family. You and all of her relatives want her to die, I guess, because you are not appealing to charity to help her, and are doing nothing to pay for her treatment. Looks to me like your family is her "death panel". I know in my family if this ever were to happen, we stop everything to pitch in. Read for an example below on what people can and do routinely do for others in their times of need.
By the way, no one can be refused treatment in this country, and that's the law.
So why don't you try stepping away from this site for a minute and stepping into the real world, where people die every day because it's cheaper to die. But that doesn't really happen when things are run from the private sector, right? Only the government could cause that...Unfortunately for you I am constantly, continually exposed to the real world. I really don't spend a hell of a lot of time online, much less this site, because it is physically impossible for me to do so.
People die every day because...well, we all must.
Let me remind you of another path in addition to choselifex3's rebuttal. I once had a friend who was diagnosed with cancer. His wife just had his first child and they weren't exactly printing money, either. However, the place where both he and I worked raised goodly sums of money for him and his family. We held various fundraisers for him and "passed the hat" around to help him out and his family.
Much to my regret, he did not survive. But that wasn't due to the lack of effort of medical science nor due to the lack of funds. We took care of him and his family but the cancer had the upper hand.
Quote all the sob stories you want, but fact of the matter is that neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, has a right to a doctor. And I enjoy the prerogatives that come with being an adult. I don't like being coddled, spoiled, nannied, pampered and babied by ANYBODY, much less the government, because I understand something that you clearly do not: in order to be coddled, spoiled, nannied, pampered and babied by anybody, ESPECIALLY the government you so worship, you cough up your freedoms.
The way things are now, I choose my own doctor, my own hospital, how much or how little treatment I want, and so on.
Do me a small favor, AK zippers. Get off your ass. If it so bothers you that people are dying due to the lack of medical insurance (a crock, but let's leave that for now), go contribute to a charity or start one of your own. Quit trying to get the government to steal from me legally because you are too lazy to either steal from others OR do the more commendable thing of starting/contributing to a charity. Oh, and pay for your own damn doctor. You do that much, and I promise I will pay for my very own, doctor just as I am expected, as us adults are, to pay for rent/mortgage payments, groceries, and so on.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
~Uns
August 13, 2009 - 09:33 ET by choselife3xI'm so sorry about your friend. I can only imagine the pain of his wife, especially with a baby. Losing your husband is one thing, losing the father of your child/children is on a whole other level.
Whenever liberals bring up the cost of treating diseases like cancer they NEVER factor in the generosity of family, friends, co-workers, church members, and kind-hearted strangers. America outgives every other country in the world.
Washington -- Americans increased their charitable donations
significantly in 2006 to more than $295 billion -- a record, according
to a study released June 25 by the Giving USA Foundation, which reports
on charitable contributions.
The overwhelming majority of this
money was donated by individuals, not corporations or foundations,
according to the chairman of Giving USA, Richard Jolly. Donations from
individuals, including bequests, accounted for 83.3 percent of total
giving last year, or $245.8 billion, he told USINFO.
Kluth reports that
Americans give $300 billion dollars per year and that 25% of these
donations are given between Thanksgiving and New Years.
To help
assist media sources that are doing stories about charitable giving,
Kluth has developed 13 picture-graphs styled after the popular USA Today Money Snapshots.
Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks's new book, "Who Really Cares",
points out that Americans give more than the citizens of any other
country. Individually, Americans give seven times more money than
people in Germany and 14 times more than Italians give. We also
volunteer more.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
I'm sorry for your
August 13, 2009 - 11:09 ET by mattmI'm sorry for your situation, but several people in my extended family have cancer and we are all chippining in to help out wherever we can.
The treatment is given and the bills pile up, but they will eventually be paid - and treatment has not been denied.
Under a government-run system 10 times more people will needlessly suffer and die sooner than they otherwise would have.
Dr Emanuel apologetics.
August 12, 2009 - 14:36 ET by sevenThe medicine Czar is Rahms brother.
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/inconvenient-truth-about-death-panel.html
he discusses allocation systems. "rationing"
He discusses measuring "disability adjusted life years"
He discusses Quality of life years.
last but not least a patients value to society and reciprocity.
So if you ain't worth much, we aren't going to put good dollars into bad bodies.
So we have metrics for the "Advanced care Planning Associates" to work with. If grannie can't carry her weight, she gets pretty pills and a rcoking chair. Free Hope and change Afghan.
Yep seven...those Emanuel
August 12, 2009 - 15:30 ET by bigtimerYep seven...those Emanuel Brothers are bad news...his bro in La-La-Land is a big leftist worker too...$$$ funder etc.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Thnyderman ith pretty thupid...
August 12, 2009 - 14:53 ET by SickofLibs... but she makes a really top notch moonbat, I must say.
When did doctors start writing or even consulting on living wills? I'm going to go out in a limb here and postulate that lawyers will not be down with this.
Almost all the people I
August 12, 2009 - 16:17 ET by Dan The Man 2Almost all the people I know have plans for their eventual demise. They know where they want to be buried, what kind of actions to be taken at the appropiate time and by who. I and my wife have plans and wills drawn up and have talked extensively about when to pull the plug.
I saw my mom die from brain cancer and we talked about her treatment and what we needed to take care of. She did not take care of some of her end but its not like we did not discuss and prepare for it.
I have had discussions with my dad and we know pretty much what he wants. He has a living will and a DNR order. Funny though a DNR order can be overidden by family so it doesnt make hill of beans sometimes.
I think the SCM is condecending saying the big bad right is scaring seniors as I and my family wife, dad, aunts,uncles cousins all have discussed our end of life issues. And all w/o government intervention.
What a Coincidence!
August 12, 2009 - 20:06 ET by JustAlThe socialists also have plans for the eventual demise of almost all the people you know.
Front Women - At Least They've Got Jobs Only Men Used To Have
August 12, 2009 - 21:44 ET by rammingspeedThese two drips really believe there aren't plans to have the government make end-of-life decisions. They're tools. Sensible people see through this crap.
How is it these Libtards
August 12, 2009 - 22:43 ET by RR GOPHow is it these Libtards are always steadfastly protecting the lives of murderers and terrorists, but have no problem with showing gramps the quickest way to the happy hunting grounds?
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
August 13, 2009 - 08:36 ET by jessieHI remember a story from a few years ago, about a cat at a nursing home. Every time the cat got up on one of the beds, that person died. One morning they found the cat was dead- with a dented bedpan lying in the floor beside it. The moral of the story is: Don't mess with old people, unless you want a bedpan up side your head.
→ Scaring Seniors?
August 13, 2009 - 18:11 ET by Cool ArrowIt's President Obama himself who claims Doctors want to amputate your feet just for the surgery costs.
It's President Obama himself who says Doctors want to cut your kids' tonsils out for the surgery costs.
It's the MSM who won't report on the bald-faced lies this President tells on a regular basis.
We must assume the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of America, President Obama, will have these Doctors up on charges soon, right?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool... Yep...he'll have
August 13, 2009 - 18:15 ET by bigtimerCool...
Yep...he'll have Craig Gregg and AG Holder Team to the rescue.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
→ Yeah, bt
August 13, 2009 - 18:23 ET by Cool ArrowI don't think the witnesses would stand up under cross-examination.
That was tacky, I know. I think the AMA needs to take this insult to heart, though.
What if somebody started a rumor that Democrats get a kick out of ripping babies out of mothers' wombs for money?
Oh? Not a rumor?
My bad!
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Hey, bt and CoolOne: Did
August 13, 2009 - 18:35 ET by QueenMumHey, bt and CoolOne: Did either of you catch the clip on "Special Report" of Obama talking about the surgeon's fee for a foot amputation for a diabetic? Turns out he grossly overstated that cost. I can't recall the numbers. I know he said something around $30,000.
He just keeps going out there and throwing out these random numbers thinking that people will be disgusted with the notion that "certain people" are "making" huge sums of money off the poor sick people. And yet he's not at all affected by the criticism of the huge sums of money he wants to collect from the American taxpayers for generations to come.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
QM... Yep, I caught
August 13, 2009 - 18:42 ET by bigtimerQM...
Yep, I caught it...instead of $30,000 it's something far, far less, by 50 fold or something like that it seems I heard, I was in the middle of a phone call.
O cannot help lying...and we thought the Clintoon Duo was the worst ever ...heck, they've got nothing on him.
Miracle he stayed out of the spot-light today...for ONCE!
It must have about killed his ego.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
And then there's this:
August 13, 2009 - 18:48 ET by QueenMumAnd then there's this: Obama does most of the talking at his "town halls". I guess the Congress critters think they can take a page from the Obama playbook. Hah! They call the citizens disruptive. I say the citizens are just trying to get a word in edgewise.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
It could happen
August 13, 2009 - 18:23 ET by QueenMumComing with Obamacare: Do-it-yourself surgical kits. The kits will come with everything you need for at-home surgery and can be purchased at your nearest drugstore or you can sign up for home delivery. After all, you can't really trust those evil, money-hungry doctors to do the right thing. Better off doing it yourself and a lot cheaper. It's sort of a Home Depot approach to health care.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher