Say what you want about the Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck and his antics, but to give credit where credit is due, he exposed some disturbing language from the Obama administration's "Cash for Clunker" program Web site Cars.gov.
Beck on his July 31 program hosted a segment about the Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS) Web site, also known as "Cash for Clunkers" and demonstrated what a Web browser would encounter when logging on to the system.
"Here is Cars.gov. Let's say you go in, if I understand this right - I go in and I say, ‘I want to turn in my clunker.' The dealer goes to Cars.gov, and then they hit submit transaction. Here it says, ‘Privacy Act & Security Statement,' and you're just like, ‘Oh, it's the Privacy Act of 1974. Whatever, I agree. Now, this is how bad this system is."
However, once the Web operator proceeds beyond that point in the dealers section - the government has some very frightening language about what authority they have over your computer posted, as Beck reported. Ordinary consumers wouldn't encounter this warning, but the information contained in the dealer's computers might include theirs.
"A warning box comes up, and it says, ‘This application provides to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a federal computer system and it is property of the United States government,'" Beck read. "‘Any and all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.'"
"Good God almighty!" Beck said.
Kimberly Guilfoyle, a legal analyst for Fox News interpreted the language to mean the government has very broad authority over your computer - including the ability to seize personal and private information.
"Could it be any more broad or frightening?" Guilfoyle said. "Here you are trying to be a good citizen and make a charitable contribution, do something that's good and guess what - they are jumping right inside you, seizing all of your personal and private information and it's absolutely legal Glenn."
Guilfoyle also said legally the government can use Web software to track your computer any time they want once you've logged into the site.
"They can continue to track you basically forever," Guilfoyle said. "Once they've tapped into your system, and the government of course has like malware systems and tracking cookies - they can tap in any time they want."
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July 31, 2009 - 20:16 ET by rick007Bushes fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
I missed it, but my brother
July 31, 2009 - 20:17 ET by HeavyChevyI missed it, but my brother told me about it, absolutely blew me away. Told ya, there is no such thing as something for nothing you WILL pay for it in the end.
And when
July 31, 2009 - 20:18 ET by UpNorthand if we get Obama care, or Non-Care, it'll say the same thing about your computer and your health records. Your computer will be a part of the federal computer system.
That's the whole premise
August 1, 2009 - 01:12 ET by Scout FinchBehind ObamaCare. That's what it's all about. Being able to track what doctor we see, what malady we're experiencing, what medical history we have, what drugs we have prescribed to us, what mental and emotional problems we may have...so on and so forth.
The ruling class wants dirt on us so they may better rule over us.
BEWARE - 'Big Brother' is watching you...
July 31, 2009 - 20:20 ET by Cape ConservativeJust in case you were wondering ;-)
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Big brother needs about 100
July 31, 2009 - 21:53 ET by GregEBig brother needs about 100 million feet in the arse!
This IS the Democrat Party. This IS Obama
July 31, 2009 - 20:23 ET by ArchConservativeFor all you (d)emocrats that thought Bush was Hitler with the so-called "wire-tapping" of Americans (which actually was only used on people who were communicating with elements of Al-Queda), where is your outrage and opposition? You wanted change? Well here you go. Government control of everything you thought was private. Where is your vitriol now?
This is the Obama that we as conservatives know. He is a control freak and it's trickling into every thing that he creates. It is insidious. It is frightening. But that's what you get when you elect a socialist, racist, anti-American individual like Obama.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
Bingo.
July 31, 2009 - 21:53 ET by GregEBingo.
DANG!!!
August 1, 2009 - 00:54 ET by DoktorFrankenAnd all I needed was G-52!!
http://www.ildado.co...
I know how to get liberals outraged over this.
August 1, 2009 - 21:35 ET by TailgunnerEvery dealer should conduct every transaction on the computers at their local library.
As President Bush found out, Hell hath no fury like a bunch of librarians who think their privacy is endangered.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
This is great !
August 1, 2009 - 21:38 ET by Free StinkerThis is great ! :-)
The Libs are already fighting amonst themselves, this will just ramp is up!
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
My guess has been that
July 31, 2009 - 20:24 ET by MidAmericaMy guess has been that all of us who post on NB are already on a government watch 'list'. You know, just in case.
Jeff... A mighty big
July 31, 2009 - 20:29 ET by bigtimerJeff...
A mighty big thank YOU!
Cool Arrow and I were talking about this earlier while watching Beck's show, I looked for a link a few hours ago, couldn't find one yet.
This is really spooky ...I hope others see how deep they are getting into our lives one way or the other.
This administration is the most dangerous there is for our very freedoms ....
Czars anybody?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Why are the
July 31, 2009 - 20:43 ET by BlazerWhy are the lefties who proclaimed for eight years that Chimpy Bush-Hitler was taking all of their freedoms away from them, not screaming bloody murder about this ?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
First of all they MUST figure out how to link this to GWB &
July 31, 2009 - 20:47 ET by Cape Conservativeplace the blame where it rightfully belongs - on Bush, of course!
This guy (or as McCain stated - before his 'Rosebud' moment - 'that one' ;-) isn't about to EVER accept personal responsibility for his OWN words or actions!!!!
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Their allies in the MSM
July 31, 2009 - 20:49 ET by Free StinkerTheir allies in the MSM (the stenographers) will keep repeating "It's Bush's fault!" over and over until it becomes the Pravda.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Not True
July 31, 2009 - 21:04 ET by jimspiceThe key phrase here is "the dealer goes to...". A consumer would never encounter the disclaimer referenced. It is only presented to dealers registered with the gov to administer the trade-ins.
The real issue here is which dealer provided Beck with his/her login information. That's the real moron.
oh, big difference there
July 31, 2009 - 21:38 ET by candanceCause a car dealership is not a private company at all, so it's totally cool for the government to spy on them. And if a person doesn't want the government in their computer, then they should just stay away from official websites that promote highly popular programs.
Obama could kill puppies on live TV and people would find a way to justify it.
Why urge viewers to avoid the site...
July 31, 2009 - 21:48 ET by jimspiceif only dealers are affected. My point is that Beck is once again unnecessarily alarmist.
Social security numbers
July 31, 2009 - 22:06 ET by GregESocial security numbers were only to ever be used for social security purposes. The person at the time who said it would lead to further use would have been an alarmist.
1913, 36 States had ratified the 16th
Amendment to the Constitution. In October,
Congress passed a new income tax law with
rates beginning at 1 percent and rising to 7
percent for taxpayers with income in excess
of $500,000. Less than 1 percent of the
population paid income tax at the time. The person at the time who said the government would just continue to dig more into your income would have been an alarmist.
Many more examples can be talked about where someone doing what Glenn is would have been called an alarmist.
If the Founding Fathers were to look at all of our laws and tax code today, compared to their vision, they'd say we were a Socialist nation long ago.
Greg... You got that
July 31, 2009 - 22:08 ET by bigtimerGreg...
You got that right...a hundred times over!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I was adding, but went to
July 31, 2009 - 22:13 ET by GregEI was adding, but went to save and couldn't, so I'll just add.......
The older the generation, the more freedoms they've seen during their lifetimes. The younger the generation, the less freedoms they've seen and the greater the government intervention and parental activities they accept as normal, since they know no different. Because of this, we continually become more liberal. Liberals simply aren't patient and want their full bore nanny state asap. But reality is, our freedoms have been chipped away for years, and in years to come, the chipping will just continue. Liberals simply don't understand that, or just want it to happen in larger chunks for the power grab and control asap.
Greg... Exactly...and the
July 31, 2009 - 22:22 ET by bigtimerGreg...
Exactly...and the enemy within has been patiently planning this since the twenties & thirties.
We are just seeing it come to fruition at a break-neck speed now for close to completion.
Just my opinion.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
This is how these things
July 31, 2009 - 22:10 ET by Radical1979This is how these things start. Remembert the old saying, first they came for the Jews, but I wasn't Jewish so I did nothing. Then they came for the blacks, but I did nothing etc until there is no one left to object when the person speaking gets taken?
Same thing here. The government has no right to go into the computers of the car dealers.
If they had a right, they
July 31, 2009 - 22:39 ET by GregEIf they had a right, they wouldn't put up the disclaimer. But by having the dealer agree to the disclaimer, the dealer has now allowed it and the feds are off the hook.
I wonder what happens if a computer harddrive craps out during the time they're logged in to the site (as the disclaimer states). If the computer is the property of the government, is the govt going to buy the dealer a new harddrive? And if, while logged in, someone storms into the dealership and gets on the computer and does something sinister, is the federal government responsible, since it's their computer that was used to cause harm? And if I'm a dealer, and I login, what if I take a sledge hammer to the computer during that time? Will the government replace the computer, since it's their property? Or, since it's their property, will they have me jailed for destroying it if I don't flip the bill to replace it?
Why should dealers accept federal power grab?
July 31, 2009 - 22:19 ET by nkviking75Even if it is only dealers who are affected, why should they have to accept such a sweeping power grab?
Maybe Barry should change his first name to Hugo (as in Chavez).
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
If I were a dealer, I do believe I'd give this program a 'pass'
August 1, 2009 - 20:39 ET by Cape ConservativeI'd rather lose the sales than my PRIVACY!
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so what about the
August 1, 2009 - 07:29 ET by red_dragon311so what about the "wire tapping" Bush did. were the people who said he was spying on us just alarmist now too.
FINALY A REAL CANDIATE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!
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Well it stands to reason.....
July 31, 2009 - 21:38 ET by connman...with it being Government Motors and all. The dealers are just answering to the Boss! Be afraid...... be very afraid!
Pssssst <whispers> Emperor Barry isn't wearing any clothes!
No big deal?
August 1, 2009 - 06:12 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsA consumer would never encounter the disclaimer referenced. It is only
presented to dealers registered with the gov to administer the
trade-ins.
Yes, the dealer goes onto the website, and puts in the consumer's information, i.e. name, address, SS#, DOB, employer, annual income, car being turned in (VIN#), car being purchased (VIN#). And who knows what else? Sexual orientation, voter registration, affiliations?
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Excellent point.
August 1, 2009 - 16:19 ET by Tailgunner"Yes, the dealer goes onto the website, and puts in the consumer's information, i.e. name, address, SS#, DOB, employer, annual income, car being turned in (VIN#), car being purchased (VIN#). And who knows what else? Sexual orientation, voter registration, affiliations?"
Outstanding point!
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Say what you want about Beck
July 31, 2009 - 21:04 ET by nolotrippen"Say what you want about the Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck and his antics"
Thank you, I will. I like his antics. Radio. TV. Book. I like him.
And he broke the story, as you credit him.
nolo... So do I. He had
July 31, 2009 - 21:42 ET by bigtimernolo...
So do I.
He had on some deep informational shows this week.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bigtimer: I like Beck,
July 31, 2009 - 22:18 ET by bretzysdudebigtimer:
I like Beck, but I tend to disagree that he provided helpful information. To me, it seems like even with this info, we still have to wait until November 2010, and by that time, it will be late to reverse course.
Howdy Bdude... I said
July 31, 2009 - 22:26 ET by bigtimerHowdy Bdude...
I said this week, did you watch his shows this week?
Like I said below, the segment was longer today than this video, but whatever.
I agree with you about 2010...as far as I am concerned it's make or break situation...and I fear as others so much will be too late to undo.
Good ol' time will tell.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Actually don't watch TV, but
July 31, 2009 - 23:23 ET by bretzysdudeActually don't watch TV, but I still listen to his radio shows every morning.
Well, like I said above
July 31, 2009 - 23:33 ET by bigtimerWell, like I said above when before you posted after me, I was talking about his tv shows this week, not so much yesterday, but the rest of the previous days, very informational.
...anyway, all in all, I like Beck a lot, and hopefully more and more, day by day, he can help wake people up.
Roger the Shrubber is the one who turned me on to him along time ago now, I had never heard of him, he was just starting out television wise on CNN...I have never been sorry since.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I started when he was CNN, too...and it didn't take a week to
August 1, 2009 - 20:51 ET by Cape Conservativebecome a regular viewer. We don't receive his radio here, but I am on his email list which is great!
I think I speak for many by saying we owe Glenn for having the platform to address our many concerns for America...so often I'm sitting there thinking just what he is saying ;-) THANKS, GLENN! You are helping me hold on to the life ring while this ship of state is sinking before our very eyes. You inspire me to do what little I can...and bugging the dickens out of the senatorsK with daily phone calls helps relieve my stress ;-)
Their offices must be getting hit hard with negative calls because the staff in both offices are getting quite rude. Before old Henry Waxman got up in front of the tv cameras and said Congress would not be required to participate in the healthcare plan, the staff in both offices had assured me the senators would be included in the plan ;-) RIGHT!
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Me too!
July 31, 2009 - 22:02 ET by sic721And anyone who thinks this would be confined to only dealers and is totally safe for us peasants, I wholeheartedly invite you to log onto the site.
"Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country."-John Adams
Yep...and that segment was
July 31, 2009 - 22:06 ET by bigtimerYep...and that segment was longer and deeper than this video clip.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
July 31, 2009 - 22:03 ET by jessieHAny body think we need the current congress? I say impeach the whole lot.
I'll carry the petition door to door on Cape Cod, jessie ;-)
August 1, 2009 - 20:52 ET by Cape ConservativeThis comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise designated by Homeland Security as a Domestic Right Wing Terrorist! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
Wait just a dang minute
August 1, 2009 - 21:01 ET by general companyI like my guys, and worked damed hard to get them elected as well. But other then that I am not to partial to any of them. I say we go by State, and I vote we start with Mass, followed by Penn and then Cali,,,,,,
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Great idea. Just one little problem.
August 1, 2009 - 21:31 ET by TailgunnerWho's going to carry out the impeachment procedures?
Just askin'. ;/
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
I sent the video and article
July 31, 2009 - 22:28 ET by GregEI sent the video and article to a liberal. She wrote back quickly, defending it rather vigorously and ridiculing that I would think anything of it. I'm sure glad she cleared it up for me.
Koolaid anyone?
Of course, if this was
August 1, 2009 - 01:41 ET by MrSnugglesOf course, if this was happening under Bush liberals would be screaming from the mountain tops about fascism.
Fascism is only OK when they practice it.
and a buddy who's not
August 1, 2009 - 22:58 ET by GregEand a buddy who's not liberal said I'm reading too much into it. Gosh, so glad these people keep me on the right track. Government can always be completely trusted with our freedoms. What am I thinking?
I can hear it now: "Well
August 1, 2009 - 08:45 ET by nadadhimmiI can hear it now: "Well comrade, we see from your hourly computer scan by Homeland Security, that you said 1 hr ago that perhaps President and Lord High Barak Obama is not to be worshipped. This places you in violation of the Pelosi-Frank Act. The provisions of which allow us to do to you whatever the hell we want. Your assets in full are to be confiscated, a compulsary, Govt mandated divorce from you wife has been entered into your records and your children declared wards of the Glorious, People's State, and will be re-educated to the new, people's norm of President For Life Obama. You must report in 20 minutes to the Federal Center or face summary police execution upon sight. Thank you, and have a nice day.
Don't forget
August 1, 2009 - 10:46 ET by StarAZIf you call back--deet deet DEET--"If you'd like to make a call..."
Terms Subject to Change without Notice
August 1, 2009 - 13:22 ET by TimothyZThe level of dishonesty in end-user agreements is completely out of control. As far as I'm concerned "Terms subject to change without notice" is the most representative.
Look at google's, or microsoft, or verison's privacy agreements. In effect they say "Trust us, we will protect your information... oh but we might share it with business partners we trust. That is, aggregators who we sell your information to."
Everyone is doing it. We are literally living in an age where the only thing preventing massive exploitation of information assymetry is incompetence. But the information industries have see the writing on the wall. They have read our bank statements, the records of everywhere we carried our cellphone.
Next...
August 1, 2009 - 21:00 ET by slickwillie2001Next Barney Fwank is going to ensure that the car salesmen don't make too much in commissions. Since they are receiving government money, he will claim that as his prerogative.
Notice the libs had nothing to say about CARNIVORE and...
August 1, 2009 - 21:56 ET by R D HelmECHELON, either.
You will have to Google both of those, as I am too tired (and too fed up with) trying to explain either to the STOOPID American sheeple, on BOTH sides of the aisle.
-Dave
WHAT?
August 2, 2009 - 15:06 ET by powhitemalecan anyone say " big brother"? "there is nothing wrong with being a white, conservative, man!" - powhitemale
Amazonian
August 2, 2009 - 20:09 ET by ghblogThey must have hired some techies from Amazon.