FNC's Napolitano Claims Bush Administration Committed 'Extortion' Against Banks

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It's no secret the Bush administration used fear tactics to push the $700-billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) through Congress last fall. Both members of the House and the Senate have come out after the fact and disclosed the details.

However, the method the Treasury Department employed to get banks to go along with the TARP bailout breached legal boundaries to the point of "extortion," according to Fox News Senior Judicial Analyst Andrew Napolitano, a former Superior Court Judge for the state of New Jersey.

Napolitano told viewers on FNC's April 1 "Studio B" that he had a conversation with a head of $250-billion bank that explained the federal government, under the threat of an audit, forced him to accept TARP funds.

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"This person runs a bank that's worth about $250 billion, it has no subprime loans, it has no bad debts, wasn't involved in credit default swaps," Napolitano said. "It didn't need any money. It didn't ask for the money and didn't want it. The FDIC with Treasury backing - officials from both the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Treasury said if you don't take this money, we will conduct a multi-year public audit of you."

Though the bank was solvent, as Napolitano explained, fighting the government on the terms wasn't worth in the final cost-benefit analysis and the bank's board decided to accept bailout money, despite the protests of that bank's head and having the government become part-owner of the bank.

"It would cost them millions in employee time to give the government the documents it wanted, it would cost terrible publicity. The terrible publicity and that would mean a loss of business," Napolitano continued. "He begged his board of directors to let him tell the Feds to go take a hike. The board caved. He was forced - the board was forced to issue a class of stock just for the federal government. The federal government owns 2 percent of this huge bank. As a result of that minority ownership, they now want to control salaries. They want to see his books and they want to tell him who he can do business with."

But as Napolitano explained, the tactic the government employed was nothing short of extortion, under its legal definition. And, as a consequence of the government having a stake in the bank, it is susceptible to having the government dictate business decisions and employee compensation.

"Extortion - this occurred in September of 2008," Napolitano said. "Extortion is an attempt to control somebody else's free will by threatening to perform a lawful act. Is an audit lawful? Absolutely. Is the threat to engage in an audit in order to force them to sell stock to the federal government lawful? Of course not! It's a crime. That happened in September of '08 under the Bush administration. In March of '09 is when the Treasury said we own 2 percent, we're going to tell you how to run the place."

News outlets have analyzed business spending by AIG and others since TARP, but have paid little attention to the role of government in the bailout. Former Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain left Bank of America after spending more than $1.2 million decorating his office in 2008 which drew media and political criticism. Even President Barack Obama complained about the expense.

Even liberal New York Times columnist remarked that the TARP plan was doomed to fail under these conditions on Bloomberg TV March 24. The populist backlash the federal government has succumbed to is making some banks not want to accept TARP

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→ The Judge

I agree with the Judge.  I saw this earlier on FOX, and was already aware of the Wells Fargo fiasco and their hesitance to accept a bailout they didn't ask for.

Regardless of the Administration (this time Bush) it seemed to me at the time Paulsen didn't want one giant having bragging rights over the others.

That's why I'm still proud of Ford for being a truly American Company up until this point.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool,

I agree. Bush is nowhere near blameless in all this. In fact, he started the ball rolling, if you ask me.

And as I said before, given the move the Obamanistas are making against GM and soon Chrysler, If I were Ford, I'd be shaking in my shoes.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

→ Krupp Guns

Maybe Obama sees he's going to need at least one innovative Automobile Manufacturer, that being Ford.

Chrysler will probably die a slow Italian death, and GM will mass produce the electric boxes the working class will drive, butwith the Government directing every step of GM's production, there will be no room for innovation.

I don't think the Government can trust itself to arm itself against outside aggression, a contingency they must consider in the interim between now and One World rule.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Agreed

I still can't get over the comments Bush made when he agreed to the original bailout: he said that he agreed to it even though it went against all of his principles.

That gets more stunning, the more I think about it.

It's also my understanding

It's also my understanding that under the terms of the AIG bailout, the Bush administration either forced out the CEO or expressly reserved the authority to do so.  Was there a peep about it then from those who now deem Wagoner's ouster from GM the death knell of capitalism.

Was there an NB forum on that occasion to rally support for seceding from the union?

Jer

Didn't know that

Then again, I've been against this whole thing from the start. It smelled bad from the beginning. The moral hazard problem always bothered me, and still does. My skepticism skyrocketed when these "experts" wanted enormous power and money to "fix" the problem ... if they were all that smart, why didn't they prevent the problem in the first place?

All these guys are assuring us that it's just a way to solve a money problem. But I deny that you can solve a money problem with political power. It's a massive shift in power. And all I know is that the Founding Fathers spent all of their time worrying about power. They tried desperately to prevent it from coagulating into fewer and fewer hands, but that's what's happening here. Power is concentrating into fewer and fewer hands. For anyone who's ever read the Federalist Papers, that's what those guys were talking about. This is very bad.

Jer

I'll take your word for it.Goverment shouldnt be the ones firing these guys.Thier buisnesses should fire them hell yes.They screwed up and a regular joe working would be canned if he screwed up that bad.I dont believe in the bailouts but if they are getting federal money then there should be strings attached.It should pertain to what is being done with the money.

I don't know exactly what Bush did, nor do I know any

 conservatives who liked it. Problem is, we didn't know much about it, it happened, and boom, then Obama's in. So, my point is, Bush should never have started it, whether he thought he was doing the right thing, or not. As for Obama, is this an excuse to double down, or rather quadruple down on STUPID?????

 

All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden?  P.J. O' Rourke

tbdi

"As for Obama, is this an excuse to double down, or rather quadruple down on STUPID?????" Obama doesnt need a excuse.All he has to do is http://www.youtube.c...

I guess I missed it....did

I guess I missed it....did the AIG CEO get fired by Bush? Any chance you've got a link to support your "understanding" of things, or is it possible you're just making something up?

Oh, and in case you missed it, the AIG bailout began 6 months ago, and capitalism/freedom has been under assault ever since. Maybe that's why some are calling for seceding from the Union now and not then. Just a thought.

 

 

Right, ckc...I enjoy making

Right, ckc...I enjoy making things up just to see how you will react.

Here's a link.  Last paragraph...page 2.

Jer

you can say "Bush Administration" till you're blue in the face..

..but it will never change the fact that it was a liberal Democraticcongressional majority that started and enforced this whole mess, the only "weakness" of the executive branch was to allow "your" people do do what they wanted. Had he not, it would have been hours and hours of prime time propaganda hate assault of Bush "ignoring congress" or "being a dictator and doing his own thing" like every other decision he made.

Yes, there were callsof derision and outrage, but we knew Bush was leaving-anyone with half a brain knows that any protest or secession wouldn't even get rolling before he was out. The Obamistake is in for at least three more years, and a new term when Acorn is done.

 

 

"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is like calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

"You spend your money anyway you want and respect other's rights to do the same&quo

My mistake, UndercoverCon

My mistake, UndercoverCon...

I apparently was laboring under the false impression that was Bush's Treasury Secretary Paulson running to Congress last September in a sweat-dripping, hand-wringing, sky-is-falling panic.  But, I suppose it could have been Barney Frank with a shaved head. 

Jer

Jer

Wow!How did you know?You have better sources than Drudge.Oh just a note a Democratic Congress should recieve credit also.I believe they were in the majority at the time.And gee didnt  Obama pushed for the rescue himself.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/obama-sells-bailout-plan-to-skeptics/

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93GI8J81&show_article=1

well99:  Thanks, and I'm

well99:  Thanks, and I'm well-acquaitned with the "complicity" of the Democrats.  In fact, Congressional Democrats wound up having to carry a large portion of the Bush administration's water with respect to the latter's bail-out plan.

Jer

Jer

I figured you were but anyone that served with Teddy Rossevelt I figured might have a lapse or two.As far as carrying water I think none of them did.They just tried to throw it at the problem.Nothing was thought out or planned.Just make sure it makes the press releases.Just a note:There is no truth to the rumor that I cleaned the stall for Black Jack Pershing horse. 

well99...

There is no truth to the rumor that I cleaned the stall for Black Jack Pershing horse. 

Good to know.  But, then, what is that "stuff" on your shoes?

Jer

Jer

Well um..its uh amm nature.

Huge Recession Was Totally Avoidable

I have come to believe that the original TARP program, and the way that it was pushed on the financial institutions was totally unnecessary and very destructful.  I think it changed what should have been a normal recession into a full blown stock market panic and a very severe recession and near depression.  The government created a panic!  If we don't get TARP then the whole financial system will blow up!  No wonder the stock market crashed.

Changing the mark-to-market/fair value accounting rules was the only thing that should have been done.  But then our government could not have undertaken the huge power grab that it then proceeded to implement.

"When will Barack Obama apologize to the American people for destroying their once great nation?" - MSM 2012

Kingfish17

I agree that mark to market accounting rules was the way to go so that the black hole toxic waste mortgages and derivatives would have been quarantined and not sucking up all the assets of a company into the great black hole. But I firmly believe that the gas prices and stock market panic during the fall were manipulations by powerful interests to get Obama elected. Recall McCain in the lead in the polls after the announcement of Palin as his running mate and then the bottom falls out of the market and McCain never recovers. Soros, the great short seller, is high on my list of suspects.  

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

This needs to be challenged

He doesn't come out and say it but it sounds like the Wells-Fargo case. It's long past time that one of these banks simply refuses and challenges the federal government's actions in court. If a court accepts the case and issues a likely injunction stopping the government from moving any further, simply doing that will slow the momentum of Obammy's socialist takeover. And yes, unfortunately President George W. Bush played a part in the beginning of this travesty. Was he rolled by Paulson, or did he understand what was going on and what it could lead to?

But what happens if the federal government ignores a court order? The federal government has the guns and the manpower. What happens if the US Supreme Court issues an order and Obammy ignores them? Will anyone care? Will Obammy send his ACORN thugs to protest at the Supreme Court justices' homes?

Andrew Jackson redux

When the Supreme Court ruled that Jackson (Democrat) could not move the Cherokee Indians off their land. Jackson said (paraphrased): He's (John Marshall) has made his ruling let's see if he can enforce it. 

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

This is HUGE. I hope Bill O'Reilly covers this.

This is just insane.  The federal government of the United States is using our tax dollars to extort banks.  We all know that the MSM won't touch this, so I hope that Bill O'Reilly is all over this story. 

But, but, but did they fire

But, but, but did they fire the CEO and change the board.....?

Jeff Poor and

Jeff Poor and Napolitano...thank you for getting the word out about this...it has been out there...but nobody pays attention to it.

Sadly.

It should have been of utmost attention back then, it should be now...and stay that way until people realize what all is/has happened....and still is ongoing. 

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

The Judge has always called it like he saw it

Even when people did not want to hear it. I have a lot of respect for him fro that.

The Federal Government's manipulation of the banking sector and the economy needs to stop now.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

I believe the Bush

I believe the Bush administration pushed TARP through because there was an outcry for the government to "do something!!" and he was afraid he would be blamed for the meltdown if he did nothing. 

So they pushed it through and got blamed anyway.  Surprise, surprise!! 

Did Napolitano have a problem with President Obama virtually taking over GM, and granting Geithner carte blanche to  take over just about any other company that he deems to be in excessive trouble?

As for the media's coverage of this mess, it is a disgrace.  Just like they call all Obama's  policies and decisions "centrist" even  as he lurches farther and farther left, they allow him to say that GM must stand on its own, and not be a ward of the state, even as he proceeds to make it exactly that. 

They are all too busy gushing over his visit to Europe as if he were the Second Coming of Christ, and predicting that he will save the entire world economy!

They seriously need to get a grip!

<sound of duct tape ripping off roll>

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

The Judge

I listen to Napolitano quite often via satellite radio. Yes, he was, has been, and probably will be howling about the illegal activities of the government in both administrations. He is really up in arms over the GM takeover. He presents cogent, concise reasons showing what the government is doing, often prefaced by an analogy: "What if the federal government sent the FBI to your door and told you that because you received a tax refund last year you must  choose X or Y and you have to decide in the next ten minutes!" The Judge thinks Obama's actions have been unconstitutional for the most part. However, he believes the Gitmo Killers have been illegally detained. On the other hand he said more or less that we should have shot them where we found them! He is a consistent constitutionalist and he hates the terrorists. Go figure.

 

President Bush

Unfortunately never knew who his enemies really were and where the punches were coming from. A man who (naively) could never believe his fellow countrymen could stoop so low as to (repeatedly) stab him in the back

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Bravo Napolitano ! ! !

I don't like GH Bush, W Clinton, nor GW Bush and I despise Hussein. The Presidents since Wilson were globalists either covertly or overtly. Reagan had Bush shoved on him so the GH could work behind the scenes.

Why all the Bush apologists here? He is a globalist who did his best and set up a system that another globalist puppel (Hussein) can follow.

Napolitano is a good guy! And good for him speaking out against Bush. Give him time, he'll speak against Hussein as well.

 

 

Isaiah 5:20a Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil. . .  KJV

Well, maybe I am

Wrong, but, I think Bush, more like Paulson and Bernanke crammed the money down their throats thinking they would start loaning it out and "stimulat" the economy. They were screaming blue murder for cying out loud. Stupid thing is, nobody wants to borrow, that is why it never got on the street. The msm killed any chance it had.

And I agree, it was wrong.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

I must be missing something. I haven't seen anyone say

that they thought Bush was right in doing this. Mainly because we don't know FOR SURE exactly what did happen. I refuse to bash him about this until I know what the events were. Who do you think is, or is trying to apologize for Bush's actions?  

 

All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden?  P.J. O' Rourke

Because he exceeded the constitutional authority of the exec

Bush blew it!  He retreated from conservatism and unconstitutionally took American taxpayer dollars and invaded the public sector.  If our leaders would read the d@#n document and study the federalist papers they might see why the silent majority is starting to speak out.  My elected officials have heard from me and many more like me.  Napolitano is right, the constitution is the rule of law in the US.  It has not been followed since Reagan. 

What's the big secret? 

What's the big secret?  Why not name the bank in question?  Any damage that has been done is well . . . done, isn't it?  What can the government do now, make the bank take TARP funds?  How about an audit? 

Judge Nappy sounds like he just wants 15 minutes of fame. 

By the way, if he is referring to Wells Fargo as some posters have mentioned, Wells Fargo had to take TARP funds in order to be able to buy Wachovia.  The TARP funds were to bring the combined banks deposit minimums up to required levels.  Standing alone, Wells Fargo didn't need the TARP funds, but in order to purchase Wachovia, which did, they had to accept them.

Banks are being audited all of the time.  If it is not state regulatory agencies, it is federal.  This just isn't much of a threat.  Heck, between auditing themselves to stay ahead of the myriad regulatory provisions and agencies and the above agencies, it is almost continuous anyway. 

This could get pretty strung out

Was Wells Fargo pressured to merg with Wachovia? If it was any kind of agreement, then the Fed needs to back off. I dont think any of these Co's took this money with the agreement that the Fed would be running them. The Judge is a good guy, and know doubt this heavy handed treatment is going to expose much more of this.

Socialist 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

No, Wells Fargo was not

No, Wells Fargo was not pressured into aquiring Wachovia.  To the contrary, they jumped at the chance.  They were getting a bank that had assets valued at over 1.4 trillion dollars as late as the year before for $7 bucks a share.  When the merger actually closed on 31 December 2008, they ended up paying aroung $5 and change as the stock price of Wells Fargo had fallen and the merger price was a percentage of Wells Fargo's stock price.

Again, the only way that Wells Fargo could have acquired  Wachovia was to get some quick capital.  Remember, it made a secondary offering of $20 billion (sold preferred stock to investors) and then took TARP funds of $25 billion in order to bring up the combined deposits sufficient for the merged bank to operate within federal guidelines.

By the way, at the end of the 2007 annual reporting period, Wells Fargo's assets were valued at .6 trillion dollars.  At the end of 2008 including the merger with Wachovia, they were valued at 1.4 trillion dollars.  

What I conclude from above is that Judge Nappy either wasn't referring to Wells Fargo or doesn't know what he is talking about.  I suspect the latter. 

Again, what is the mystery?  Why not tells us what company he is referring to?  After all, he is attempting to impugn a former President of the United States.

 

"Again, what is the

"Again, what is the mystery?  Why not tells us what company he is
referring to? "

Maybe because he was asked not to. Just a thought.

Not sure why folks here are shocked to hear this. It came out a couple of months ago that banks were forced to take TARP money even though they didn't want it. And then when those banks didn't recklessly loan this money that they didn't want or need to begin with, government started whining about these institutions not lending the money like they were supposed to.

Why the mystery?

It seems obvious that the person Napolitano spoke with, did so expecting his name would not be revealed. The reason is also obvious, he doesn't want to get fired by Obammy. The administration is acting so far outside of accepted legal norms that the people running the banks are terrified of government.

Conservatives never should have fallen for it

TARP was wrong from the beginning. Conservatives never should have fallen for it. The past couple of years are just too spooky on too many levels. Paulsen practically gave Bush and the rest of the country a heart attack. It was a socialist's dream. It couldn't have turned out better for the socialists in Congress if they planned every step themselves.
I think Napolitano is pretty sharp. If he is worried we should be worried. But now what do we do with this monstrosity and the new socialist president? Obama and Congress would have worked for a couple of years to get the power that was given to them freely without breaking a sweat or holding a debate, given to them by a Republican administration.
TSF Protests!

Someday, just maybe, conservatives will realize that GWB...

...was no friend to conservatism or captilalism.

The man was essentially a socialist who just happened to get it (partially) right on the GWOT.

GEORGE W. BUSH, ALONG WITH A REPUBLICAN (NOTICE I DID NOT SAY CONSERVATIVE)  CONTROLLED CONGRESS, DOUBLED THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHIN A SIX YEAR SPAN!

Can we please get off this insane, incessant GWB worship? Damn, he was a HUGE part of this current problem, and it is time people realized this.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Dave

I agree 100%!!

This man spit on his own party time after time (Illegal immigration, education bill, prescription drug coverage etc), and did damage to our party from which we may never recover!

Bush Was a Big-Government Disaster

Bush Was a Big-Government Disaster (The Wall Street Journal)

I could not agree more but people are too blinded by "faith" to listen or care.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Is This True

Kinda off topic a little bit, but is this true, and if so, what??

By MEGHAN CLYNE

Last updated: 2:59 am
March 30, 2009
Posted: 1:23 am
March 30, 2009

JUDGES should interpret the Constitution according to other nations' legal "norms." Sharia law could apply to disputes in US courts. The United States constitutes an "axis of disobedience" along with North Korea and Saddam-era Iraq.

Those are the views of the man on track to become one of the US government's top lawyers: Harold Koh.

President Obama has nominated Koh -- until last week the dean of Yale Law School -- to be the State Department's legal adviser. In that job, Koh would forge a wide range of international agreements on issues from trade to arms control, and help represent our country in such places as the United Nations and the International Court of Justice.

It's a job where you want a strong defender of America's sovereignty. But that's not Koh. He's a fan of "transnational legal process," arguing that the distinctions between US and international law should vanish.

What would this look like in a practical sense? Well, California voters have overruled their courts, which had imposed same-sex marriage on the state. Koh would like to see such matters go up the chain through federal courts -- which, in turn, should look to the rest of the world. If Canada, the European Human Rights Commission and the United Nations all say gay marriage should be legal -- well, then, it should be legal in California too, regardless of what the state's voters and elected representatives might say.

He even believes judges should use this "logic" to strike down the death penalty, which is clearly permitted in the US Constitution.

The primacy of international legal "norms" applies even to treaties we reject. For example, Koh believes that the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child -- a problematic document that we haven't ratified -- should dictate the age at which individual US states can execute criminals. Got that? On issues ranging from affirmative action to the interrogation of terrorists, what the rest of the world says, goes.

Including, apparently, the world of radical imams. A New York lawyer, Steven Stein, says that, in addressing the Yale Club of Greenwich in 2007, Koh claimed that "in an appropriate case, he didn't see any reason why sharia law would not be applied to govern a case in the United States."

A spokeswoman for Koh said she couldn't confirm the incident, responding: "I had heard that some guy . . . had asked a question about sharia law, and that Dean Koh had said something about that while there are obvious differences among the many different legal systems, they also share some common legal concepts."

Score one for America's enemies and hostile international bureaucrats, zero for American democracy.

Koh has called America's focus on the War on Terror "obsessive." In 2004, he listed countries that flagrantly disregard international law -- "most prominently, North Korea, Iraq, and our own country, the United States of America," which he branded "the axis of disobedience."

He has also accused President George Bush of abusing international law to justify the invasion of Iraq, comparing his "advocacy of unfettered presidential power" to President Richard Nixon's. And that was the first Bush -- Koh was attacking the 1991 operation to liberate Kuwait, four days after fighting began in Operation Desert Storm.

Koh has also praised the Nicaraguan Sandinistas' use in the 1980s of the International Court of Justice to get Congress to stop funding the Contras. Imagine such international lawyering by rogue nations like Iran, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela today, and you can see the danger in Koh's theories.

Koh, a self-described "activist," would plainly promote his views aggressively once at State. He's not likely to feel limited by the letter of the law -- in 1994, he told The New Republic: "I'd rather have [former Supreme Court Justice Harry] Blackmun, who uses the wrong reasoning in Roe [v. Wade] to get the right results, and let other people figure out the right reasoning."

Worse, the State job might be a launching pad for a Supreme Court nomination. (He's on many liberals' short lists for the high court.) Since this job requires Senate confirmation, it's certainly a useful trial run.

What happens to Koh in the Senate will send an important signal. If he sails through to State, he's a far better bet to make it onto the Supreme Court. So Senate Republicans have a duty to expose and confront his radical views.

Even though he's up for a State Department job, Koh is a key test case in the "judicial wars." If he makes it through (which he will if he gets even a single GOP vote) the message to the Obama team will be: You can pick 'em as radical as you like.

Meghan Clyne is a DC-based writer.

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

George Bush-Bail out

George Bush-Bail out because everyone was whining about something having to be done by the government, including Paulson.  His bad for abandoning conservative values and ignoring the lessons of the past.

There would have been no Part II under Bush, nor the outrageous porkulus nor the equally outrageous budget proposal, etc.

Barry-Bail outs because he is a Marxist and that's part of the plan.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Ronald Reagan would have told Paulson to go pound sand.

But, then again, he was a REAL president.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Brian and the Judge

I listen to the Judge every morning on SIRIUS on the Foxtalk station and it's a never miss 3 hours.  If you don't have SIRIUS/XM you should for this show alone!

 The Judge is all about constitutional law and is about the most fair voice on radio today.

You know you have a pair when you say on the radio, almost daily, that Lincoln was one of the worst presidents and pretty much a dictator!  He's a man constitutional conviction.

The judge is right!

I saw the program and he's right. What the government did is extortion. It's still continuing even now. Bush didn't stick the free market principles and started this ball of wax. Now it's out of control.

Sorry newsbusters but things have changed and the last days of Bush amounts to the first days of Obama. We have a huge task ahead of us. The republic is on the verge of being lost forever. The fascist have taken over. It's time to get our government back.

 

 

Alexander Hamilton: "We are a Republican government. Real liberty is
never found in the despotism or in the extremes of a Democracy."

media sell out

the judge speaks only to a small group, i do enjoy his straight talk, But"the mob"rule media, the blame is being put apond Bush's years, but some one should have been looking at,this long before ,"who" were in change of the panal's during the 90's,80's,people that are running it now barney frank,. kerry,kennedy,byrd, etc..