You too can save the planet from the effects of carbon emissions by participating in the symbolic gesture of turning off one light switch at a time for Earth Hour on March 28.
That's the message from actor Edward Norton, the official U.S. ambassador for Earth Hour 2009, who appeared on CNN's "Larry King Live" on March 25. As Norton explained, this is a symbolic event for which everyone turns out their lights from 8:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. local time on March 29. And this act will encourage world political leaders to cap or tax carbon emissions through the legislative process by demonstrating "global unity."
"You're right. The act of turning out the lights for an hour - is, it's not an act of conservation," Norton said. "It's not, um, meant to say that, ‘By doing this, we're going to solve the problem.' I think it's a symbolic act of global unity, of highlighting the number of people who do think this is one of the central issues of our time and motivating our leaders to take, um, purposeful and aggressive action on this issue."
Norton even compared the symbolic act to a famous civil rights march.
"If you think about things in our national history, the march on Selma in the Civil Rights Movement, the march itself, unlike some of the boycotts they did was not a, was not an act in itself meant to change the problem. It was a symbolic act and I think this is for my generation, for many people around the world who care about this issue, I think we're looking for those kind of symbolic acts that show how many people are, are concerned about this."
As the official U.S. ambassador for Earth Hour 2009, Norton might want to review his history. Participants and historians would likely disagree that the Selma marches were little more than "symbolic events."
On March 7, 1965, 500 people were set to march from Selma, Ala. to Montgomery, Ala. to protest the death of Jimmie Lee Jackson, an individual protesting the incarceration of a local civil rights leader. The march made it six blocks, across the Edmond Pettus Bridge before 200 police officers confronted the protestors, and unleashed an attack of tear gas, whips and sticks, which sent 17 people to the hospital. The confrontation was covered heavily by the national media and left a lasting impact in the court of public opinion. The March 7 march earned the name "Bloody Sunday."
Two other marches occurred and it wasn't until the third attempt, after one death that the march was successful, which occurred under the protection of 2,000 soldiers of the U.S. Army, members of the F.B.I. and members of the Alabama National Guard serving under federal command.
The marches were viewed as the peak of emotional tension during the Civil Rights Movement and the publicity generated from them are credited for making it possible for President Lyndon Johnson to sign the Voting Rights Act of 1965 months later.
Larry King did remind Norton that the "symbolic" Earth Hour event has its limits. The CNN host wanted Norton to tell people not to turn off their car lights if they were driving.
"This is about turning off your non-essential lighting at home, making the urban landscape go a little darker," Norton said. "The Empire State Building will be turning off and as you said, many, many symbols of um - national symbols in the urban setting will be going dark and we're asking individuals to participate as well."
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edward norton
March 26, 2009 - 10:40 ET by east tennessee johnHey norton!!!Sttick with the acting.
I clicked to post this exact
March 26, 2009 - 11:12 ET by MANstreammediaI clicked to post this exact comment. Work on getting cast in something entertaining.
Right, Ed....don't give
March 26, 2009 - 11:40 ET by motherbeltRight, Ed....don't give up your day job.
Good grief! How naive is this guy?
Governments are going to say "Hey, a gazillion people turned off their lights for an hour! That does it! We have to do something!"
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
EDDIE
March 26, 2009 - 12:11 ET by jjjjeddie ....is a bozo and he plays one on tv....
What Do You Expect from an Actor?
March 26, 2009 - 10:43 ET by HoosierEmActors are overly dramatic.
Ummmm, do we have to turn our TVs and computers off too? I suspect a conspiracy. :)
At the time the loonies are turning off their lights, I will be turning all of mine on - every light in my house and the outdoor lights including the floodlights. It goes against my nature to leave lights on (but only for the fact that it raises my electricity bill) but that is my form of protest. I will turn on every TV, every computer, the washer, the dryer, the dishwasher, and every radio.
Let's pass this protest around. Turn on your lights America!
Doing the exact same thing
March 26, 2009 - 10:46 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarFrom space, my place will look like a damned beacon.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain
My House Will Probably Get Egged
March 26, 2009 - 10:50 ET by HoosierEmI think I will dig out my Christmas lights and turn those on too. And maybe I'll take a trip to IKEA and buy several of their $3 lights and turn those on, too!
turning off the lights
March 26, 2009 - 11:50 ET by soosanI, too, am looking forward to the pictures from the space shuttle of this world wide expression of our solidarity.
I just had a horrible thought - what if our joint efforts result
March 26, 2009 - 18:14 ET by Cape Conservativein a power outage! Ironic, huh! We'd go dark involuntarily ;-) Not us though - we have an automatic generator so we will shine on regardless ;-)
It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
I'm doing the same thing to
March 26, 2009 - 13:57 ET by dscottI'm doing the same thing to protest this hoax, every friggin light I can will be put on between 8:30 and 9:30. Most of them are CPLs to save on expensive electricity but I'm still going to make a point of it because after all if they can show boat and wear their eco-religion on their sleeves then I can equally protest their cultist devotion to a fraud.
Light up America and show the eco fascists we aren't going to bullied or roll over for nonsense.
If the EPA enacts their CO2 is pollution rule then we should light barn fires in protest or at least fire up the BBQ grill to get by the open fire rule. Tea Parties will the least of their problems if they think they can shove another stealth tax down our collective throats. Just because you won the election doesn't mean you have the right to behave like a tyrant. It's called the Rights of the Minority, otherwise Majority Rule is nothing more than mob rule.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Human Achievement Hour
March 26, 2009 - 14:48 ET by dboI'm doing the same thing to protest this hoax, every friggin light I can will be put on between 8:30 and 9:30
dscott,
You can join me and help celebrate the first ever Competitive Enterprise Institutes's 'Human Achievement Hour'.
Where would this planet be without the advent of oil and carbon?
Besides turning on my
March 26, 2009 - 14:21 ET by MidAmericaBesides turning on my lights I think I'll let my Dodge Ram V-8 idle in the garage. And for a pre-game show I may get out the chain saw and take down this mature tree in my back yard that is in the wrong place.
Reverse the air conditioners........
March 27, 2009 - 04:24 ET by ConScottPerhaps at the same time the world turns off the lights we should all reverse the flow of our air conditioners, flip them around and drop the outside temperature a few degrees? (If you don't have AC, placing a tray of ice cubes on your front porch will suffice.)
Next year, when "Global Cooling" becomes the next great threat, I suggest that we all step outside with hair dryers and turn them on in unison. (If you're bald, you can place an ignited charcoal briquet on your front lawn.)
National looting hour
March 26, 2009 - 10:57 ET by silent conservativeHey Newsbusters readers, I wanted to let everyone know about the upcoming event, National Looting Hour. its March 28 between 8:30 and 9:30 pm. Please seek out any darkened houses and feel free to loot from the liberals.
LMAO
March 26, 2009 - 11:33 ET by jdlybrandToo funny my friend!
lights off
March 26, 2009 - 11:05 ET by anormIrony alert!!
I was watching the weather channel (it's ok, we were having bad weather and I just wanted to see the radar...) and they were touting this ridiculous showboating. They were urging everybody to turn off ALL their lights, unplug your chargers, blah blah blah. THEN they said keep watching the weather channel for the coverage of this "event". Ummm, aren't all the lights and electricity using devices supposed to be off?? Oh, I guess everything but your energy draining flat screen so you can watch the automons on TWC blather about global warming and "unity". For me and my house, we will look like a landing strip at the DFW airport!
I noticed that Larry King
March 26, 2009 - 11:56 ET by SeashellI noticed that Larry King mentioned not to cut off car lights while driving but didn't mention anything about cutting off televisions. Doesn't Larry King's show fall somewhere during this time period????????????
Larry King has made TP an
March 26, 2009 - 11:12 ET by snaggletoothieLarry King has made TP an unnecessary expense for Norton.
I'm sure Edward Norton was
March 26, 2009 - 11:14 ET by MANstreammediaI'm sure Edward Norton was at one point in his life intelligent (I think a history degree from Yale is a waste of time/money, but that's just me), but he's probably Hollywooded himself stupid.
Christmas in March
March 26, 2009 - 11:27 ET by wenders99If I could I'd install lights like the ones used in old NYC to advertise movie and Broadway premieres. What a jerk. I'd love to see the size of his house.
How I wish
March 26, 2009 - 11:29 ET by jdlybrandWhere's Jackie Gleason when you need him?
Global unity or bust!
March 26, 2009 - 11:31 ET by freecitizenIf this is meant to highlight the number of people who are concerned and demonstrate global unity, then does that mean they will accept the implications when this turns out to be a bust. Ummm, doubtful.
earth hour is lame
March 26, 2009 - 11:31 ET by freedomflameI turn my lights out every night for SEVERAL HOURS IN A ROW while I sleep. Therefore I am excusing myself from earth hour.
Great Point Freedom!
March 26, 2009 - 11:34 ET by HoosierEmI do that, too.
We do, too ;~) Bet the Gores don't!
March 26, 2009 - 17:54 ET by Cape ConservativeIsn't it funny how NO attention was ever given to President Bush's ranch home and all of the earth-friendly construction features? Compared to the NON-earth friendly mcmansion of the infamous Nobel Prize winner - you know, the one whose award has since relegated the status of the Nobel Prize to the importance of, say, a toy in a box of Crackerjacks!
It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
I guess he just felt
March 26, 2009 - 11:38 ET by SeashellI guess he just felt compelled to join the pack. This will put him in the good graces of all the movie execs so he'll probably get a better movie role now.
BTW-I just wonder what all those stars are doing now who came out after Obama was elected to announce they were going to do all this volunteering and such (Ashton, Demi, etc.) Probably back at their mansions now sipping lattes.
and using LOTS more energy than your home and ours combined!
March 26, 2009 - 17:56 ET by Cape ConservativeIt is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
I have a few symbolic gestures myself
March 26, 2009 - 11:45 ET by Tom in NCFirst, I will be turning on all of my lights one at a time at the appointed time to symbolize that man-made global warming is a bunch of BS, created by the king of BS algore.
Second, I will wipe my a$$ with algores picture and then take it out to the ditch in front of my well lit house and set the picture on fire for even a bigger carbon footprint.
Third, while the picture is burning I will turn to the west towards Tennessee and Hollywood, raise both hands and give the one finger salute to these wack jobs
turning on all of my lights
March 26, 2009 - 11:49 ET by SickofLibsThat was my first thought, too, Tom. Of course, my teenagers do this as a matter of course everyday anyway...
I am also going to start all 4 cars in the driveway and leave them running for the full hour with headlights on.
And I mean it.
I have to say, you don't
March 26, 2009 - 12:15 ET by Ruths husband BenI have to say, you don't respect your backside as much as I do mine!
Obama: "The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers." -Ed Mahmoud
I'm just going
March 26, 2009 - 12:44 ET by IamTinmanI'm just going to make a "symbolic gesture" towards Hollywood for a couple of seconds and then get back to a bowl of popcorn and a rerun of "Law & Order".
Or maybe not. More than likely I'll just forget.
Lighthouse
March 26, 2009 - 11:48 ET by slickwillie2001My home also will look like a beacon.
In addition, it's late March and the warm weather is coming. I suggest that this hour be used to test your air conditioners. You don't want to wait until the first hot spell to find out there's something wrong with it and all the repair places are busied up.
Others have suggested that it's a handy time to run your self-cleaning oven cycle before we get into the warm weather.
Maybe I'll even haul out the Chistmas tree for an hour's lighting....
"I just wonder what all
March 26, 2009 - 11:55 ET by snaggletoothie"I just wonder what all those stars are doing now who came out after
Obama was elected to announce they were going to do all this
volunteering and such (Ashton, Demi, etc.)" That could make a great continuing feature. Every week their publicists could be asked for info about the volunteering. And then every, week until it got real boring, the nonresponses could be announced.
Light 'em if you got 'em,
March 26, 2009 - 12:13 ET by Ruths husband BenLight 'em if you got 'em, boys! Damn, I need to go out and buy a Q-beam or two.
The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.
Ben, I wish I had the money to rent one of those three-light...
March 26, 2009 - 18:40 ET by R D Helm...spotlights. You know, the really big kind that rotates and everything. :-)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Rush just suggested we all turn ON every light to voice our
March 26, 2009 - 12:45 ET by Cape Conservativeconcern that we are being dictated to by ignorant celebrities!
I'll bet the entire area where Algore lives going 'dark' for an hour won't make a dent in offsetting that energy hog's consumption!
It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
Um
March 26, 2009 - 12:57 ET by StewMcKinI can't really say that's the best idea. The only people who will notice are the electric companies, thrilled with the boost in revenues, and you yourself, when you get that power bill and realize you just wasted money to make a failed statement. There are better ways to protest Hollywood - don't buy the product.
Thanks for your concern - I'll pay gladly - if I increase
March 26, 2009 - 13:06 ET by Cape Conservativetheir profits, it will just soon end up in the bottomless pit at the Treasury once they nationalize and tax out of existence every profitable company in America!
PS We already boycott Hollywood - that's a no-brainer
It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
Re Um
March 26, 2009 - 14:03 ET by slickwillie2001It's not a statement to the power company, it's a statement to your neighbors. It makes others feel like they are not the only ones to question the BS 'global warming' fascist idea, and that's how movements spread. The impact to your power bill of one hour's use over 720 hours will not be significant.
Pardon me if I disagree
March 26, 2009 - 14:23 ET by StewMcKinPardon me if I disagree completely. I've been taught, as I assume everyone has since childhood, that you turn off the light if you're not using it to conserve energy as well as keeping the electric bill low. I also live in an area unfortunate enough to have rolling blackouts. To use additional energy to prove a belief against global warming is like a woman having 8 children just to prove she's against abortion. Hmm...this sounds familiar...
We get your point, but
March 26, 2009 - 15:11 ET by general companyI've been taught, as I assume everyone has since childhood, that you
turn off the light if you're not using it to conserve energy as well as
keeping the electric bill low.
But I WILL be using my lights and other items at the propossed time.
BTW, were I work, a few folks in yesterdays staff meeting started suggesting we should do this at work, I told them this was a "political stance" (they dont allow me to campain or promote my canidates on their propety) that could have adverse sideffects. With barly a discussion our director (being the wise man he is) dropped it imeadeatly, no doubt I made it on another list though. : ]
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I'm with you - You can damn
March 26, 2009 - 15:18 ET by StewMcKinI'm with you - You can damn bet I'll still be using my lights when I need them. Still, if only that guy with the Clark Griswold Christmas decorations could do a little too.
Why? Is he not entitled to
March 27, 2009 - 12:35 ET by bassndudeWhy? Is he not entitled to live his life as he chooses? As am I? I will not go out of my way to turn on or off, a light. I do intend to have a fire in the fire place tonight and tomorrow, tho. This global warming is nothing but a farce, anyway. I will not trade my V-8 powered 4X4, nor will I quit using my outboard motor. Not for Al Gore, not for Obama, not for anyone. It is my life and I will live it as I wish. And everyone else be damned if they dont like it.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Piffle! and your example
March 26, 2009 - 15:14 ET by dscottPiffle! and your example of having 8 children to protest abortion is way out of proportion to the consequences of inaction against eco-fascism. If you allow these fanatics to buffalo you into silence then your silence is your de facto consent to their bullying. Obama is set to levy a $2 trillion dollar tax under the guise of carbon taxation. Are you prepared for $500 to $1000 a month electric bills? Well guess what, just roll up in a ball over there in a corner while the taxes imposed on the electric companies increases your cost per kwhr 5 fold!
Now what's more rational, turning on all your lights to protest a hoax (and pay a buck) or paying 5 fold your current bill to go along with the hoax?
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Wow. I don't even know
March 26, 2009 - 15:22 ET by StewMcKinWow. I don't even know what to say, except where's the proof? I'll check back on this site in 5 years to see what your power bill looks like. I guarantee it's not going to be $500/mo (unless it already is). Who do you think is going to notice your protest? The government? No really, this is not a smart idea, and it's not going to happen. So feel free to up your power bill - I'll counter any progress you make by conserving even more. Thanks for the inspiration.
SM... If Cap and Trade
March 26, 2009 - 15:28 ET by bigtimerSM...
If Cap and Trade gets through, under whatever guise they use you had better believe your bills are going to go up...along with everything else you have to buy/use in your daily life.
You do pay attention to what is going on around you politically don't you?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Yes, I absolutely pay
March 26, 2009 - 16:05 ET by StewMcKinYes, I absolutely pay attention to what is going on, politically and otherwise. I also don't overreact, nor do I pretend to be able to predict the future. While cap and trade is an option, it has yet to become law. How do you want to protest against it? By consuming more energy to help the politicians in favor of cap and trade prove their point. Meanwhile, you'll notice (and I'm sure you're outraged as everyone else is here) that there's lots and lots of money in the president's new budget allocated to the research and development of new energy sources, focusing on clean energy. Fight it if you must, but it's gonna happen. Okay, I just predicted the future.
Yeah Stewie baby...as oil
March 26, 2009 - 16:25 ET by bigtimerYeah Stewie baby...as oil raises once again and your power and heating bills raise along with everything else you need in daily life..we will have green power in the meantime to the rescue eh?
Give me a freakin' break... you must have a screw loose to think we do not need oil...from our own natural resources right here for a start, that provides millions of jobs to-boot...but then again, that doesn't fit the leftists agenda now does it...you will be paying for this in the end...we all will, in more ways than one.
Troll on.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Prove their point?
March 26, 2009 - 16:42 ET by general companyHow do you want to protest against it? By consuming more energy to help the politicians in favor of cap and trade prove their point.
What would that point be????? They have NO point considering Global Warming is a hoax
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Okay, as rude as you are,
March 26, 2009 - 19:23 ET by StewMcKinOkay, as rude as you are, I'm going to ignore it. Now, I'm reading...reading...reading...
Nope, can't find it anywhere. Please link me back to where I said we don't need oil. Now, in the meantime, I'm going to say it once again. You will not be seeing a 500-1000% increase in gas prices, oil prices, home heating and power prices. Please find something to back this up as a fact. In the meantime, just turn on all your lights and protest your little heart out.
Great, I am so releived
March 26, 2009 - 19:31 ET by general companyYou will not be seeing a 500-1000% increase in gas prices, oil prices, home heating and power prices.
What kind of guarantee are you giving us, and monetary one, or just your typical soap box speech?
What makes you so sure that green energy will be able to supliment what Obama plans on reducing in fossal fuel?
Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The same guarantee you're
March 26, 2009 - 19:42 ET by StewMcKinThe same guarantee you're giving me that Obama's program is going to increase energy costs by 500% - none.
→ Stew
March 26, 2009 - 19:47 ET by Cool ArrowI can see him increasing taxes on it maybe 500%.
And monetizing our debt (he created $1.2 Trillion out of thin air last week, thus encouraging the current calls from Russia, China and the UN for a global currency), could devalue the dollar to even higher oil prices.
I don't know how the overall increase falls out.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Sorry, but I offered no guarantee
March 26, 2009 - 19:49 ET by general companyBut you did. I noticed you ignored the second question.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
My apologies. I was too
March 26, 2009 - 20:06 ET by StewMcKinMy apologies. I was too anxious to respond to your first question. I guess I have faith in technology, and a little bit of faith in our government not to do something incredibly stupid and drastic that would lead to exorbitant energy prices. What will happen is that as greener energy production rises and cheapens, fossil fuel production will begin to fall in proportionately similar amounts.
Stew
March 26, 2009 - 20:43 ET by RESTLESS 1You may be right...IF market forces are allowed to dictate. IF govt. jumps in and forces green energies on us, without any fallback, as seems to be the wont of the left, then your assertion is absolutely incorrect.
IF green energies are offered, and are as cheap, and work as well or better than what is used now, they will prosper on the open market without the govt. lifting a hand, just as it should be.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I would love to share your faith
March 26, 2009 - 20:43 ET by general companyand a little bit of faith in our government not to do something
incredibly stupid and drastic that would lead to exorbitant energy
prices
Considering what has been going on up on the Hill lately, I cannot. You see, I believe Obama wants to destroy our economy in order to install his socialist plans. I dont understand how anyone can not believe this, unless they can tell me how you spend your way out of debt, or what happens when the money runs out?
So yes, you can officially label me as having lost faith in our Government to do the right thing. Sorry
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Faith in Government?
March 27, 2009 - 02:46 ET by PopularTechWhat are you a socialist? I have faith in technology through free markets to resolve all of our enegy needs.
You seem to be clueless about markets and where we get our energy from.
Government does not solve problems it creates them.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Yes you will see energy rates Skyrocket due to Cap and Trade
March 27, 2009 - 02:37 ET by PopularTechObama Admits Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates to Skyrocket (Video) (3min)
Cap-and-Trade Could Cost Average Family $10,800 in Lost Income (US Newswire)
Duke Energy CEO: Cap-and-Trade Plan Would Raise Electric Rates 40% (The Wall Street Journal)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Government Sponsored Energy Programs are a waste of Money
March 27, 2009 - 02:41 ET by PopularTechJimmie Carter wasted billions on worthless alternative energy programs. None of them worked because only the market can decide what consumers want and will use.
Remember the Synthetic Fuels Corporation? (The Heritage Foundation)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Let me help you there
March 26, 2009 - 16:01 ET by dscottLet me help you there sonny, here is my article spelling in technical detail why a 5 fold increase is coming, it has to do with the price of coal versus wind and solar, the carbon tax is to "level the playing field" as it were: http://conservablogs...
Use your critical thinking skills!
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
That's the best you can do?
March 26, 2009 - 16:09 ET by StewMcKinThat's the best you can do? An article from conservablogs? You might want to know who you're talking to before you start making presumptions, sonny.
conclusions are based on
March 26, 2009 - 18:43 ET by dscottconclusions are based on facts:http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf02.html Last chart with cost of generation. It's basic math there little fella.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
conclusions are based on
March 26, 2009 - 18:43 ET by dscottconclusions are based on facts:http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf02.html Last chart with cost of generation. It's basic math there little fella.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
What on earth does that link
March 26, 2009 - 19:21 ET by StewMcKinWhat on earth does that link have to do with justifying that prices of oil are going to rise by 5x with a significant US cap and trade program? Nothing in this chart, nor the surrounding paragraphs say anything about a 5x increase. And isn't it possible, just maybe, that as we develop new, cleaner energy sources, the cost of production will fall? Or is that too advanced a concept for you. Since you like to keep it simple.
You must have failed economics
March 27, 2009 - 02:50 ET by PopularTechIf the market cannot make alternative fuels competitive with the current sources of energy, government surely cannot. All they can due is subsidize the alternates and tax fossil fuels. This does nothing but make energy more expensive.
It is unbelievable the economic illiteracy.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
In the data presented if
March 27, 2009 - 08:26 ET by dscottIn the data presented if the cost of coal & nuke generation is 4 cents a kwhr, gas is 6 cents and wind is 10 cents, and since coal (50%) and nuke (20%) provide 70% of all our electrical generation, the cap and trade or carbon tax will at the very minimum double the cost of electricity. Other studies show a wider spread between wind, solar and geothermal (10 cents/kwhr) versus coal and nuke (2 cents/kwhr).
However even this basic math is not the full story, part of my profession is to deal with the cost of electricity. When you understand what the energy mix of how electricity is generated and it's cost structure you realize very quickly that what Obama proposes is going to increase the cost of electricity dramatically. And btw I did not say other forms of energy were going to increase 5 fold, I limited my remarks to electricity. But I suspect you knew that and intentionally threw in the other forms in order to discredit what I have to say. However, as a consequence I warn you now that the price of natural gas will also skyrocket due to the foolishness being proposed.
Here is where the 5 fold increase occurs, take a look at any commercial electric bill and you will see the cost differential between ON peak and OFF peak electricity for a kwhr it is 5 fold. Residential rates are predicated on the OFF Peak cost of electricity. The OFF Peak electricity in this country is generated solely by coal and nuke power which forms the base or minimum level of use. ON Peak electricity, that is primarily day time use is created by the combination of the base with the addition of gas fired generators. Wind, solar, hydro, geothermal are neglible providers and their cost of electricity is higher than a gas fired generator with the exception of hydro.
Now put on your critical thinking cap: If you tax the cost electrical generation in such a way as to make coal just as expensive as wind and solar in order to give wind and solar a (subsidized) competitive parity, what is resulting impact on the rate structure??? A FIVE FOLD INCREASE IN ELECTRICITY.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
For those interested in
March 27, 2009 - 16:08 ET by dscottFor those interested in what Obama is up to with his carbon tax, some good reading:
http://www.openmarket.org/2009/03/24/2-trillion-tax-from-obama-hidden-costs-of-cap-and-trade-scheme/
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/02/obama-ill-make-energy-prices-skyrocket/ From Obama's own mouth -
You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Seems to me I remember a presidential candidate PROMISING
March 26, 2009 - 18:07 ET by Cape Conservativeto bankrupt the coal companies - I do believe that candidate won!
We are sitting on the Saudi Arabia of natural gas & coal - harvesting those natural resources along with 'clean coal' technology and DRILLING along our coastlines would give us the ENERGY INDEPENDENCE necessary to tell OPEC to take a flying leap! If CALIFORNIA would drill offshore, they could become fiscally sound!
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM???????
It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
Really? You're blaming
March 26, 2009 - 19:40 ET by StewMcKinReally? You're blaming California now? California dumps more money into the federal government than any other state by quite a bit, and that money gets distributed among other, less wealthy states. Fair, right? Now we have to ruin our coastline and risk yet another catastrophic oil spill so you can have cheaper gas? We're doing our part to conserve, drive fuel efficient cars, keep the air clean (remember the 70s????). So let's say you're right. We'll know in about 10 years when that offshore oil finally hits the gas station. I'll debate you then. So, like I told the others, just turn on all your lights in the house and really show 'em!
It all about Cali
March 26, 2009 - 19:59 ET by general companyso you can have cheaper gas?
No, so you can have a balanced budget
We'll know in about 10 years when that offshore oil finally hits the gas station.
Would not take that long, nor cost near as much if the Gov would lift the red tape. And before you whine about it, NO that doesnt mean they could willynilly polute your coast line. I live on the gulf coast, you dont seem to mind using our fuel? Remined me when we had a catastrophic oil spill here in the gulf? Come to think of it, You folks dont mind using our electrisity from coal powered plants, or importing water that could help grow more food.
Maybe we should have a pilot program and make Cali use only green energy, just to see how much you folks like it.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Oil spill in the gulf?
March 26, 2009 - 20:25 ET by StewMcKinOil spill in the gulf? Let's see, the Murphy Oil spill during hurricane Katrina? A million gallons of oil isn't catastrophic enough? How about the 3 million gallons that spilled off the coast of Santa Barbara? These aren't make believe problems - they are real environmental concerns. And now you're comparing what your state (unknown) provides the country versus California? Give me a break. And it will take that long. Plenty of experts support that. Oh, but wait - you don't care about another oil spill, so all the red tape should be lifted so we can rush right into it.
Ahh so thats it
March 26, 2009 - 21:14 ET by general companyWell you got me there, I had forgotten about Murphy. But are you suggesting that since a hurrican might cause another spill we should just quit production? There are risks with everything. Why should we get your oil for you? Why wouldnt we let the renewables supliment the fossals when they are able to, affordably. We have plenty of time, why hurt the folks by rushing it? I know why, because they are using it as a power grab, including using Cap and Trade.
Plenty of experts support that.
Well I dont, and our communities down here have been doing this all our lives. The only thing that takes years anymore is the paper work. And what if the green energy takes longer then you think to bring into the fold? Be nice if we were not forced to relie on it.
What makes Cali so special? Why should the rest of the country continue to support them, when they have continued to obstruct any program that might help them become more self sufficient.The folks in our State would rather have our own power plants then rely on yours.
Seriously, as long as Cali continues to support illeagals and rufuses to help themselves, why should the rest of us bother?
And now you're comparing what your state (unknown) provides the country versus California?
OK yea I am, now that you mention it. So what is it that Cali provides the rest of us with? I get my OJ from Fla. Could Cali support its population without the rest of us?
And sorry, I did not mean to turn this into a Cali bashing session.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Should we tax the Earth for "polluting" the oceans with oil?
March 27, 2009 - 03:01 ET by PopularTechI love clueless people. Oil naturally seeps into the oceans on it's own.
- Only 1% of all oil in the sea comes from drilling (EIA)
- 63% of all oil in the sea comes from natural seeps (EIA)
- Twice as much oil as the Exxon Valdez spill naturally seeps into the Gulf of Mexico every year (NASA)
Half Of The Oil In The Ocean Bubbles Up Naturally From The Seafloor (NASA)
Tons of Oil Seeps into the Gulf of Mexico Each Year (NASA)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
FACT: Only 1% of all oil in the sea comes from drilling
March 27, 2009 - 02:53 ET by PopularTechYou seem confused about oil spills
Half Of The Oil In The Ocean Bubbles Up Naturally From Seafloor (NASA)
Most Oil in Santa Barbara Channel Is Natural Seepage (The Wall Street Journal)
Tons of Oil Seeps into Gulf of Mexico Each Year (NASA)
- 86 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf (MMS)
- Over 4000 oil and natural gas platforms operate in U.S. waters with an outstanding environmental record (API)
- Horizontal and directional drilling make it possible for a single well to produce oil from much bigger areas (EIA)
- Today's production footprints are only about one-fourth the size of those 30 years ago (EIA)
- Platforms use sophisticated high-pressure valves that close automatically to prevent oil spills (API)
- Automatic fail-safe devices are installed in wells below sea level, protecting sea beds and sea life (API)
- Only 1% of all oil in the sea comes from drilling (EIA)
- 63% of all oil in the sea comes from natural seeps (EIA)
- Twice as much oil as the Exxon Valdez spill naturally seeps into the Gulf of Mexico every year (NASA)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Energy Efficiency is a waste of time
March 27, 2009 - 02:56 ET by PopularTechEfficiency is irrelevant because the more efficient the cars the more people drive thus negating the savings and consuming the same amount of energy. Trying to conserve energy will not solve any problems. Only Free Markets can solve our energy needs, not government boondoggles, regulations or feel-good solutions.
The Efficiency Paradox (Peter Huber, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, MIT)
The Virtue Of Waste (Peter Huber, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, MIT)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Boy did you guys waste your
March 27, 2009 - 11:42 ET by StewMcKinBoy did you guys waste your timing writing bloated comments and digging up links to pages I'm not going to read anyway, given that they were written on behalf of one side of the argument. I won't waste your time or my time digging up articles that you're not intending on reading either that make counter arguments. Given that you all think you're smarter than me, no matter what I post will be construed as left-wing babble.
Instead I'll respond to this post, because it has the dumbest argument I have yet to read since the initial post I commented on (yeah, the one about you all protesting by turning on all of your lights. That'll teach 'em!):
Efficiency is irrelevant because the more efficient the cars the more people drive thus negating the savings and consuming the same amount of energy.
Really? Here's a simple example. Up until a year ago, I drove a car that averaged 15 miles per gallon. I commute to and from work each day, and normally don't drive on the weekends because I live in a community where everything I need can be reached by foot. Gas prices were up to $4.50 a gallon, and I decided to trade in the old car for a new one. New car gets 30+ miles per gallon. I don't drive it any more than the other car, thus saving me approximately 2 tanks of gas a month, cutting my consumption in half. It also saves me about $100 a month.
Now, how is this fact irrelevant? My family isn't the only family doing such a thing.
Alarmist Requests Links and then Refuses to Read Them
March 27, 2009 - 16:01 ET by PopularTechTypical.
Energy Cost vs. Energy Consumed
"The efficiency of combustion engines has been rising fast since James Watt launched the industrial age 250 years ago. The best external combustion engines were about 20% efficient at the beginning of the 20th century. By midcentury they were hitting 40%. Today's best exceed 50%. The internal combustion engines used in cars and trucks have been on roughly the same trajectory, but got started over a century after the steam engines did.
Collectively, combustion engines burn about 80% of all the thermal energy we use in the U.S. But the total amount of fuel they burn has risen right alongside their efficiency. The U.S. today consumes 100 quadrillion Btu (quads) of thermal energy a year. In 1950 the figure was 35 quads; in 1910, about 7 quads, not counting horse feed and other agricultural sources.
The efficiency of energy-consuming technologies always rises, with or without new laws from Congress. Total consumption of primary fuels rises alongside. The historical facts are beyond dispute: When jet turbines, steam power plants and car engines were much less efficient than they are today, they consumed much less total energy, too."
Your irrelevant personal energy usage has nothing to do with energy consumption vs. energy efficiency as a whole.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Honestly, you're the one
March 27, 2009 - 16:46 ET by StewMcKinHonestly, you're the one preaching alarm, in arguing the guaranteed 500% increase in energy prices if we don't all turn on all of our lights in protest.
Preaching Economic Reality
March 27, 2009 - 18:41 ET by PopularTechI said nothing about a 500% increase in energy prices if we don't turn on all the lights. I said a severe increase in energy prices if cap and trade becomes law. The economic reality is Cap and Trade will make energy prices skyrocket. Even Obama admits it.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates to Skyrocket" (Video) (3min)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
By the way, I am quite
March 27, 2009 - 12:25 ET by StewMcKinBy the way, I am quite impressed with the number of times you've posted on behalf of the anti-global warming initiative. I'd almost call the few hundred times obsessive, but you must be a professional in the industry and are quite passionate.
On the contrary it is you
March 27, 2009 - 15:06 ET by dscottOn the contrary it is you who have wasted your time by throwing up unfounded assertions. By the fact you refuse to honestly discuss the issue you have disqualified yourself as an honest person interested in what's going on. You are not the first to come here with liberal tropes about how the world works, and you won't be the last. You are welcome to your belief system, however you are not welcome to play lib games of dismissal and distraction like a troll, you seem to forget this is a "conservative" website, as a guest you don't come into our livingroom and crap on the floor, that's just plain bad manners.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Are you kidding? You
March 27, 2009 - 16:44 ET by StewMcKinAre you kidding? You believe one way of thinking in the debate, I believe the other. Will you read links I post? No, I believe you won't. How about a link to An Inconvenient Truth? Will you watch that and accept what it says to be absolute truth because that's one side of the story? How about this:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html
Like I said, what's the point? You've chosen to believe that global warming is a myth. There's nothing to debate, because your mind won't be changed. And what unfounded assertions did I make?
~Turn on all your lights and show 'em!
The Truth about an Inconvenient Truth
March 27, 2009 - 18:38 ET by PopularTechProof: 'An Inconvenient Truth' is Science Fiction (Video) (1min)
Debunked By Peer Review:
An Inconvenient Truth : a focus on its portrayal of the hydrologic cycle (David R. Legates, GeoJournal, Volume 70, Number 1, September 2007)
An Inconvenient Truth : blurring the lines between science and science fiction (Roy W. Spencer, GeoJournal, Volume 70, Number 1, September 2007)
UK Court finds 9 Inaccuracies in Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth (The New Party, UK)
35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore’s movie (Science & Public Policy Institute)
A Skeptic's Guide to An Inconvenient Truth (PDF) (Marlo Lewis Jr. Ph.D.)
No one has chosen to believe anything, they have been convinced by the actual science (or lack there of) not the talking heads who promote it.
You will not even attempt to debate because you have done no research on the topic.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Maybe Sarah Palin could stop by to give the governator some
March 28, 2009 - 21:23 ET by Cape Conservativetips on what oil income can do for a state!
I don't want it to go to the federal coffers, but it seems a no-brainer to help with the severe STATE budget situation (IMHO)
It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
Proof that Cap and Trade will make Energy Prices Skyrocket
March 27, 2009 - 02:36 ET by PopularTechObama Admits Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates to Skyrocket (Video) (3min)
Cap-and-Trade Could Cost Average Family $10,800 in Lost Income (US Newswire)
Duke Energy CEO: Cap-and-Trade Plan Would Raise Electric Rates 40% (The Wall Street Journal)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
~Incorrect
March 26, 2009 - 15:20 ET by choselife3xI'm only up to 3 so far.....
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
And by your screen name
March 26, 2009 - 15:25 ET by StewMcKinAnd by your screen name you've obviously made your point about your stance. Now, do you feel the need to have more babies just to prove you're against abortion (note: I'm not getting into an abortion debate - just making the comparison)? I'm guessing no, as I've been chatting with you for a few days now and you seem like a reasonable person.
~I'm joking
March 26, 2009 - 15:36 ET by choselife3xWe have 3 children because we like children. I don't base any of my decisions on what other people might think.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
You sound quite wise and you
March 26, 2009 - 15:54 ET by StewMcKinYou sound quite wise and you have my respect.
~You forgot
March 26, 2009 - 16:40 ET by choselife3xYour 'sarc' tag. :-O
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Libs
March 26, 2009 - 12:52 ET by MOONSTRUCKare already in the dark, so this will be no big deal for them.
GW update: 21 whopping freakin degrees in Northern MN.
GW advocates............STFU!
(sorry for the foul language)
Libs
March 26, 2009 - 12:52 ET by MOONSTRUCKare already in the dark, so this will be no big deal for them.
GW update: 21 whopping freakin degrees in Northern MN.
GW advocates............STFU!
(sorry for the foul language)
Libs
March 26, 2009 - 12:53 ET by MOONSTRUCKare already in the dark, so this will be no big deal for them.
GW update: 21 whopping freakin degrees in Northern MN.
GW advocates............STFU!
(sorry for the foul language)
Libs
March 26, 2009 - 12:53 ET by MOONSTRUCKare already in the dark, so this will be no big deal for them.
GW update: 21 whopping freakin degrees in Northern MN.
GW advocates............STFU!
(sorry for the foul language)
Libs
March 26, 2009 - 12:54 ET by MOONSTRUCKare already in the dark, so this will be no big deal for them.
GW update: 21 whopping freakin degrees in Northern MN.
GW advocates............STFU!
(sorry for the foul language)
Libs
March 26, 2009 - 12:54 ET by MOONSTRUCKare already in the dark, so this will be no big deal for them.
GW update: 21 whopping freakin degrees in Northern MN.
GW advocates............STFU!
(sorry for the foul language)
6 whopping posts!
March 26, 2009 - 13:02 ET by StewMcKin6 whopping posts!
heh
March 26, 2009 - 13:07 ET by katainkentdoesn't even come close to the record (32 duplicates). MS will have to work much harder.
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Obama does not perform as advertised. I'd like a refund.
Taxed Enough Already.
~That's nothing
March 26, 2009 - 13:08 ET by choselife3xSherylsims' computer stuttered on New Years Day and spit out 32 copies of her post. The really funny part was that her post got one or two words shorter with every repeat.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Heh heh heh...good stuff.
March 26, 2009 - 13:23 ET by StewMcKinHeh heh heh...good stuff. I think something is wrong with the site today. It's very slow. Hey NB, how about upgrading those servers, eh?
c3X, The length of 32 posts were MUCH shorter than some of Pop
March 26, 2009 - 14:23 ET by upcountrywaterTech, LINKS..
Can I bill PT for wearing out my scrool wheel?
P.R.I.N.T. Money 30 sec YT
Not bad
March 26, 2009 - 15:47 ET by RukusBut Sheryl would still consider you an amateur stutterer. 6 ain't bad though. : )
Gary
"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you" -My Dad
Hummm, the stop button is useless
March 26, 2009 - 14:01 ET by upcountrywaterEDIT: pesky double post
Going Dark...Soon with no drilling we will be dark 24-7
March 26, 2009 - 13:41 ET by upcountrywater"The Empire State Building will be turning off and as you said, many,
many symbols of um - national symbols in the urban setting will be
going dark and we're asking individuals to participate as well."
Civilization has worked for THOUSANDS of years to light the night. Now we will be going dark.
I think ELECTRICITY IS WONDERFUL..No 3 rd world for me.
OH the DEMOCRATS in Selma...
It was the Democrat Party that gave Blacks the poll taxes and literacy tests to keep them from voting… Republican. It
was the Democrat Party that created the Ku Klux Klan as an enforcement
arm to terrorize Black and White Republicans. It was the Democrat Party
that repealed anti-lynching legislation, yet today their very liberals
are hypersensitive any time a noose appears in public
P.R.I.N.T. Money 30 sec YT
sorry
March 26, 2009 - 13:45 ET by MOONSTRUCKmy computer is acting up.......
Yeah
March 26, 2009 - 15:50 ET by RukusWe see see see see see see that! ; )
Gary
"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you-My Dad
Remember the global warming concerts?
March 26, 2009 - 14:22 ET by TexndocFlop,
Flop,
Flop.
We have power outages here
March 26, 2009 - 14:34 ET by bigtimerWe have power outages here enough to last a lifetime for me...go suck a lemon Norton.
It will be bad enough when we are forced to use 'smart meters' to curtail our own choice of energy consumption in our own homes...the mercury filled corksrew light bulbs being enforced on us soon is bad enough as it is.
Until people rebel in numbers and pay attention to who they are voting for...things will be worse....cap and trade, fun fun fun.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt, Rest assured Google will be in control...
March 26, 2009 - 14:58 ET by upcountrywaterSoon the thermometer, tomorrow the tv
P.R.I.N.T. Money 30 sec YT
Jeff, the correct date is the 28th.
March 26, 2009 - 14:55 ET by IgnatzJFahrquar"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain
I will be celebrating
March 26, 2009 - 16:00 ET by KarinHuman Achievement hour as well. Lights in every window.
Ed Norton got Kurt Cobain's sloppy seconds.
Earth Hour
March 26, 2009 - 16:07 ET by nandrelliI'm afraid I'm just a contrarian.
I am a non-smoker, but on National Smoke-Out Day, I go out on the front porch and light up a cigar. Don't like it, but I do it - "just because".
So on Earth Hour, I would be predisposed to go all over the house and turn ON every light switch.
Unfortunately, I am also a very lazy contrarian, and it wouldn't be worth my effort to go upstairs to the second floor, turn on all the lights, then go down to the basement, turn on all the lights there, and an hour later go running around to turn them back off again.
But the only reason my house would be dark for Earth Hour is if I forget to pay the electric bill again.
Norton
March 26, 2009 - 19:40 ET by doug1950is just another asshat actor whose career has slide into the abyss. Hasn't made anything lately so he has to get on the eco-train (I believe Leonardo is the conductor while "one sheet only" Sheryl Crow is working the club car with a dirty butt) to get some face time. I figure my damn lights are out at least eight hours every night while we are sleeping so one more hour isn't going to do squat. More symbolism over substance, feel good, mushy brainless cockamamy BS. I plan to leave my lights on, watch tv, make some popcorn and enjoy what God, thats right, I said God, has blessed me with.
March the 29th just happens to be my 45th birthday
March 26, 2009 - 19:50 ET by R D HelmGiven the events of the last two months, I am operating under the
assumption that this will be the last birthday I will observe while
living in a free country.
As such, I intend to celebrate said birthday in full defiance of
these Hollywood elitist conservationist hypocrites, who, until they
start paying my electric bill, have no say whatsoever in the amount of electricity
I use. Or don't use.
As you all know, I own quite a selection of Webers. Six to be exact,
and none of them have knobs. Four of them are out back right
now.
At 4pm, I am going to load up three of them with some charcoal,
light them off and, once the coals are ready, add some huge chunks of
hickory I have sitting around. (I'll be reserving my fourth grill for
grilling my birthday dinner, which I haven't decided on as yet. (I am
leaning toward red meat, though, just to insert my thumb that much
deeper into their eye. Snicker, snicker.)
That will, of course, result in a rather impressive column of smoke
rising from my backyard, one that I hope those economy-hating
Hollywierdos will be able to see with Google Earth.
LOL-Its just too bad I cannot spell out "kiss my freedom-loving, libertarian a$$" in smoke signals.
Then, at 8:30pm, I will turn on every light I have, then get in my
car and drive around with the AC on and the windows open for one hour,
blasting Rush's Red Barchetta at high volume the entire way.
LOL-If I somehow manage to escape arrest, I will then go home and get plastered.
Yeah, its going to be a good birthday. :-)
-For those of you not familiar with the song referenced above, click below:
http://www.youtube.c...
Note: The voice you hear at the very beginning in a short narrative is that of Rush's most excellent drummer and lyricist, Neil Peart.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Re the grille!
March 26, 2009 - 20:44 ET by slickwillie2001The grille! Why didn't I think of that! I will have to plan beer-can chicken for this very special day. Takes about two hours at 300 degrees. Have to remember lots of wood chips for the smoke. If I don't have any I may have to make some with my table saw.
I guess this means a checklist since I can't remember every item:
slickwillie, I love beer can chicken!
March 26, 2009 - 21:08 ET by R D HelmI have four of those nifty holders, too.
Theoretically, I could do eight fat ones all at once. :-)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Pathetic parasites
March 26, 2009 - 23:22 ET by krismcsherryIs there not one celebrity out there whose work I've liked who does not eventually reveal himself a dimwit when it comes to this climate change hysteria? And Eddie has done himself one better in the dimlight department by comparing this to Selma, Al. Oh please!
Another one bites the dust and Eddie thanks to you I care even less about listening to any of you or watching your movies. Inane symbolic gestures for made-up problems waste time and money (how many of your friends are living like we did 100 years ago? Good for them!) and are only substitutes for doing something with real meaning to you in your lives.
To honor this ridiculous event, I like others shall rev up the lights until, as in "Deck the Halls," you can see my house from space--w/o a satellite. I'm going to be high on carbon emissions! How I love courting danger it makes me feel so alive!
Oh no, sorry, that's only in the movies.
Isn't this offensive.
March 27, 2009 - 03:11 ET by JWFPeople died trying to bring about the changes of the Civil Rights Movement.
To trivialise it by comparing it to a useless gesture to combat a political hoax is wrong, very wrong.
But what do I know, I am an evil white nonliberal.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Americorp will turn out the lights.......
March 27, 2009 - 03:55 ET by ConScottGive it time, give Americorp time to educate & train the Obama Youth on the finer details of mechanical switches, the difference between up & down, and I'm sure that they'll help all of us turn off the lights at the appropriate time. You won't have to wait to hear them knocking at your door, the distant cadence of stomping boots will remind us all that twilight has arrived.