The anger and outrage over $165 million in bonuses paid out to American International Group (AIG) executives has many upset and outraged, but it also has some scratching their head wondering where that same emotion is over the entire government spending/bailout culture that has encapsulated Washington, D.C.
Earlier on March 17, CNBC reporter Rick Santelli suggested on CNBC's "Squawk Box" some of this outrage could be purely political. However, liberal talk radio host Ed Schultz said on MSNBC's March 17 "1600 Pennsylvania Avenue," host by David Shuster, this "outrage" is welcomed by President Barack Obama.
"David, I think the Obama administration wants this public outrage," Schultz said. "It's an issue of timing right now. They couldn't have stopped the money to AIG."
As was the case over the last eight years with any problem, Schultz instinctively blamed former President George W. Bush's administration for the AIG bonus fiasco and specifically named Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.
"That was a done deal back in the Bush administration," Schultz said. "So, all this money that's been dished out - really I think the guy that's got to answer a lot of questions is Ben Bernanke. He's the one that brought the financial heads in the Congress together - the Senate Majority Leader and also the House Majority Leader - and this crew and said, ‘Look this is what we're going to do for AIG.'"
However, Fox Business News reported on March 17 that it was an amendment from Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn. that made it possible for the bonuses to be paid out to these executives, despite the AIG having been an institution that received TARP bailout money.
"While the Senate was constructing the $787 billion stimulus last month, Dodd added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill," Rich Edson wrote. "The provision, now called ‘the Dodd Amendment' by the Obama Administration, provides an ‘exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009' -- which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are now seeking to tax."
Nonetheless, Schultz continued to put the blame on the former administration.
"They should have been telling the Congress exactly what was going to happen with these bonuses," Schultz said. "It's a lack of passing on of information. I would like to know if George W. Bush knew about these bonuses."



















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March 17, 2009 - 19:04 ET by Cool ArrowOf course Obama wants this outrage.
He loves the thought of rubbing Americans' faces in his act of betrayal. His promise to give five days before a bill is voted on.
Today, Obama's lap dog, Chris Dodd is disavowing any knowledge of the wording of "The Dodd Amendment", which provided a specific guarantee of these bonuses.
Get it? America? Chris Dodd? Dodd Amendment?
Obama is proving better than 50% of Americans are fools.
Obama is succeeding.
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straight from the records -
March 17, 2009 - 19:53 ET by katainkentS.AMDT.354 to H.R.1 To impose executive compensation limitations with respect to entities assisted under the Troubled Asset Relief Program.
Sponsor: Sen Dodd, Christopher J. [CT] (introduced 2/4/2009) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/5/2009 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 354 agreed to in Senate by Voice Vote.SEC. 6006. REVIEW OF PRIOR PAYMENTS TO EXECUTIVES.
(a) In General.--The Secretary shall review bonuses, retention awards, and other compensation paid to employees of each entity receiving TARP assistance before the date of enactment of this Act to determine whether any such payments were excessive, inconsistent with the purposes of this Act or the TARP, or otherwise contrary to the public interest.
(b) Negotiations for Reimbursement.--If the Secretary makes a determination described in subsection (a), the Secretary shall seek to negotiate with the TARP recipient and the subject employee for appropriate reimbursements to the Federal Government with respect to compensation or bonuses.
Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I will be very brief. I know others want to be heard. I appreciate the consideration of the manager of this part of the bill, Senator Baucus.
This amendment would apply to recipients of TARP assistance, stronger restrictions on executive compensation. I will make some comments this evening and invite my colleagues to look at the language of the amendment.
It is the one that I hope all Members will be able to support. It does not directly apply to the stimulus package, but it is an opportunity for us to speak on the executive compensation issues which are critically important.
The amendment bans bonuses for most highly paid executives of TARP-recipient firms: Prohibits TARP recipients from paying a bonus, retention award, or other similar incentive compensation to the 25 most highly-paid employees ``or such higher number as the Secretary of the Treasury may determine is in the public interest with respect to any TARP recipient.''
It requires a retroactive review: The Secretary of the Treasury must review bonus awards paid to executives of TARP recipients to determine whether any payments were excessive, inconsistent with the purposes of the act or the TARP or otherwise contrary to public interest and, if so, seek to negotiate with the recipient and the subject employee for appropriate reimbursement to the Government.
It requires each TARP recipient to include on annual proxy statement a ``say on pay'' proposal or advisory shareholder vote on the company's executive cash compensation program.
It allows for the Government to clawback any bonus or incentive compensation paid to an executive based on reported earnings or other criteria later found to be materially inaccurate.
It prohibits compensation plans that would encourage manipulation of reported earnings.
The Board Compensation Committee of each TARP recipient must be composed entirely of independent directors; and requires the committee to evaluate compensation plans and their potential risk to the financial health of the company.
It prohibits golden parachutes to top senior executives.
It prohibits a compensation plan that has incentives for employees to take unnecessary and excessive risks that threaten the value of the company.
This will encourage the companies to use the TARP funds for the purposes they were intended and assure the American taxpayers that their funds are being used properly.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Wyoming.
Mr. BARRASSO. I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment be set aside and I be allowed to call up amendment No. 326.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
Mrs. BOXER. I object.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
Mr. BAUCUS. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. The clerk will call the roll.
→ Yes, kata
March 17, 2009 - 19:58 ET by Cool ArrowIt's the Dodd Amendment to the Stimulus Package.
The same Amendment he now says he didn't know about.
Maybe he should have read the rest of the bill also.
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wonder what else is hiding in there
March 17, 2009 - 20:00 ET by katainkentthat will come to bite us in the *** later.
A lot.
March 17, 2009 - 20:08 ET by bigtimerA lot.
Just goes to show.
March 17, 2009 - 19:06 ET by jdlybrandYou can't fix stupid.
Nothing like the leftist
March 17, 2009 - 19:10 ET by bigtimerNothing like the leftist agenda in full gear and fear...with the msm as their 24/7 bully-pulpit...Fox also falls right in their trap.
We have only just begun...
Schultz is a Fool
March 17, 2009 - 19:14 ET by Lakewood BobThere really is not too much to comment on, except that this is all a distraction from looking at all the money that AIG is distributing elsewhere! If Schultz is gullible enough to believe this charade, he is indeed a fool! Like all liberals; he is intellectually shallow and historically ignorant.
Agreed
March 17, 2009 - 19:38 ET by mostlymoderateAgreed
Simple Journalism 101 would
March 17, 2009 - 21:24 ET by kgSimple Journalism 101 would say ask WHY Obama wants this outrage. But this is about the same question they didn't ask when Obama signed the spending bills. Why is Obama talking about the economy while he ruins any chance of recovery?
"DumbAssity of Dope"
Could this be the big o's
March 17, 2009 - 19:46 ET by RD KingKosovo? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
open mouth - insert foot
March 17, 2009 - 19:56 ET by katainkentstir vigorously!
Congress Played Major Role in AIG Mess
March 17, 2009 - 20:26 ET by kilrodBy John W. Schoen Senior producer msnbc.com updated 5:00 p.m.
CT, Mon., March. 16, 2009 If President Barack Obama wants to find a scapegoat for the mess at American International Group, he needs only to look east from the White House to the halls of Congress. That's where the legislation was enacted that laid the groundwork for AIG's collapse, its subsequent multibillion-dollar bailout and even the millions of dollars in bonuses being paid to AIG executives that have so outraged Obama, members of Congress and taxpayers.Call it the law of unintended consequences.The controversy boiled over Monday when Obama took aim at the bonuses going to executives who oversaw the risky bets that sank the giant insurer. "It's hard to understand how derivative traders at AIG warranted any bonuses, much less $165 million in extra pay," Obama said. "How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?" AIG has taken out $170 billion in federal funds, and federal officials overseeing the company say it is not out of the woods yet.
The backlash intensified over the weekend when the company, now 80 percent owned by U.S. taxpayers, said it was locked into paying $165 million in bonuses to key executives. Members of Congress Monday echoed voter outrage at the big rewards being reaped by the architects of the financial flameout of one of the world's biggest insurance companies. “We've asked the car dealers to restructure their organization, including workers restructuring their union contracts in order to save the auto industry,” said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas. “We ought to be asking the leadership at AIG to make the same kind of concessions to save AIG and the taxpayers' dollars.”
But experts in executive compensation say those contracts, written before the government stepped in to bail out AIG, would be difficult, if not impossible, to break. Challenging those contracts might end up costing AIG and the government even more money including legal fees, according to attorney Aliza Herzberg of Olshan Grundman Frome in New York. “These are contracts from a year and a half ago," she said. "We have to live by them.”
The employment contracts became so complex, with pay packages consisting of stock options and other forms of deferred compensation, largely because of Congress' attempts to control soaring executive salaries. In 1993, Congress limited the tax deduction companies could take for cash payments to $1 million. The result was a cottage industry of lawyers, consultants and advisors who structure even bigger pay packages with creative legal strategies that now make the AIG bonuses difficult to rescind. “Before Congress got involved we used to give them a $2 million salary and a corporate jet,” said Lynn Stout, a UCLA professor who specializes in corporate governance and securities regulation. “And it was much cheaper and safer.” Congress played an even bigger role in the mess that forced the government into a taxpayer-funded bailout of AIG to stem a potential global financial meltdown.
AIG and the “counterparties” it did business with are reeling because of a type of insurance policy known as a “credit default swaps.” Though the contracts governing these exotic investments are complex, their basic idea is very simple. Sellers of these securities promise to pay any losses to a bondholder in the event a bond issuer dafaults and fails to pay back the original investment. In return the buyer pays a premium to the issuer of the policy, just as a homeowner pays a premium for fire insurance.
That’s where the similarity ends. Unlike your homeowners insurance, credit default swaps are unregulated. Investors were allowed to buy insurance on bonds they didn’t even own, and companies like AIG were allowed to write credit insurance many times over on the same bond. These bonds, many of them backed by subprime mortgages, often were rated triple-A, so no one expected them to default. Collecting premiums looked like easy money.
But when the housing market began to unwind, AIG had to begin making good on those credit default swaps. Worse, instead of just paying once, it had to pay many times over for the same defaulted bond. That became the financial equivalent of paying a dozen people for the full cost of replacing each home wiped out by a hurricane.
Because these risky bets were unregulated, none of the government agencies that were supposed to make sure the financial system was sound, from state insurance regulators to the Federal Reserve, were fully aware of just how much risk was in the system.
There were also no regulations to prevent AIG from making what Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke told CBS News Sunday were “all kinds of unconscionable bets."
“It's absolutely unfair that taxpayer dollars are going to prop up a company that made these terrible bets, that was operating out of the sight of regulators but which we have no choice but to stabilize or else risk enormous impact, not just in the financial system but on the whole U.S. economy,” he said.
In fact, it was a law approved by Congress in 2000 that allowed companies to place tens of trillions of dollars of these risky credit default swap bets.
After the 1998 collapse of Long Term Capital Management, a giant hedge fund that pioneered the use of derivatives, the Fed engineered a rescue to prevent the unwinding of risky bets from spreading to the larger financial system. That brought calls for tighter regulation of derivatives, including a push for greater derivatives regulation at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, led by a former Wall Street attorney named Brooksley Born.
But strong opposition to the proposal from then-Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan and senior Clinton administration officials sank the idea. On Dec. 21, 2000, President Clinton signed into law the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which further eased restrictions on derivatives like credit default swaps.
“For at least 150 years, these sorts of gambling contracts were unenforceable if they weren’t traded on an exchange,” said Stout, the UCLA professor. “We eliminated 150 years of insurance regulation and derivatives regulation all in the name of rocket science and financial engineering.”
The new law cleared the way for an explosion in credit default swaps. In the first half of 2001, there were $632 billion in credit default swaps outstanding, according to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association. By the second half of 2007, that number was up 100-fold — to more than $62 trillion. Now, as the government tries to unwind the mess at AIG, much of tax money pumped into AIG has quickly flowed out to dozens of “counterparties” — the companies, investment funds, municipalities and others who bought credit default swaps from the insurance giant.
“AIG entered a lot of speculative derivatives gambles with banks that were operating in the role of a bookie who made bad bets,” said Stout. “And our taxpayer funds went to pay off the bookies.”
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→ Good stuff kilrod
March 17, 2009 - 20:34 ET by Cool ArrowAnd if they had been called "Credit Cefault Insurance" instead of "Credit Default Swaps" they would have fallen under the jurisdiction of Federal law. Well, they sorta' are except the seller doesn't have to be a Government regulated agency.
In other words, the name meant everything.
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The Amazing Thing Cool, Is ---
March 17, 2009 - 20:49 ET by kilrodIt's amazing to me that the above article is written by msnbc producer John Schoen. Are the "circle flies" beginning to buzz around the ears of the o-Dumb-uh??!!~~!!
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
Stupid Schultz/Lazy Schultz
March 17, 2009 - 20:36 ET by TN MomPresident TelePrompter owns this AIG bonus mess; why didn't he put restrictions on the $30 Billion he gave AIG 2 weeks ago? Now he wants to act like he's outraged?
Democrat Sen Dodd put the AIG Bonus provisions in the Stimulus bill; Obama signed it into law.
Geither knew about the AIG bonuses since last Sept. why is he complaining now?
The admininistration is trying to hide their screw-ups behind fake outrage. People know the truth.
Ed Schultz sticks his fingers in his ears and rants "It's all Bush's fault". Is Ed Schultz too lazy to find the truth about AIG; or just too stupid?
Obama wants another distraction
March 17, 2009 - 20:54 ET by lgeubankFirst he stirred up a quarrel over Rush Limbaugh. Now he's stirring up hatred against AIG. Anything to divert our attention from that man behind the curtain and all his evil designs on American freedom (freedom to choose my own doctor, freedom to keep some of my own money, freedom to educate my children as I see fit, etc.).
This is one part distraction, one part sales
March 17, 2009 - 21:33 ET by thebutlerdiditSee, it works 2 ways. First, it is a distraction from the 63 BILLION that AIG has already sent to foreign countries and banks like Wells Fargo, BoA, etc. The Second part, is the opportunity to push up poll numbers.On sale now, Obama! Obama can come out and act like this is all news to him, and be shocked for the Am. people. He can get on t.v., or have another cross country tour, peddling his crappy bills, and have his peeps love him. He is tapping into that "class envy" stuff that so many of those out there seem to be salivating over. Super O will take those mean greedy bankers to task! They "stole" the little people's money, and he is going to, (along with his superhero pal, Barney Frank, get their money back. Only problem is, no little people will get any money back. But they will get their 2 minute hate time. And that's all they need to keep them going.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
tbdi... Distraction
March 17, 2009 - 21:39 ET by bigtimertbdi...
Distraction indeed about the foreign banks...if has been maddening to me about little factor too, for awhile now, not just recently...it has been mentioned a little here, a little there now and then, on the Business Channels mainly...
...and of course the constant campaigning for his poll numbers as he keeps cramming more regurgitation down all of the leftists lemmings throats to stay satisfied.
I guess I should have added the fact the distraction
March 17, 2009 - 21:56 ET by thebutlerdiditworks several other ways, also. Like, hey, we still haven't found any people to work in Treasury, my poll approval numbers are tanking, we either have our allies p'od at us, or our enemies laughing at us, we still haven't done anything about those toxic assets, and I hope word doesn't get around that the architech of the fist TARP was Paulson, but my man Geithner was the one hammering out the deal.
Stuff like that.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
I hope congress does try to take the AIG bonuses away
March 17, 2009 - 21:42 ET by R D HelmAs the feds now own 80% of AIG, the crippling litigation that will result from those executives who are screwed, and whose contracts specified bonuses, is going to be fun to watch play out.
By the time the dust settles, I bet that the $160 million in bonuses will look to be viewed as chump change, as it is only 1/10th of 1% of the total bailout money given to AIG as it is.
I wonder what the trial lawyers final bill to us taxpayers will be? $1 billion, perhaps?
I further wonder what Bawney Fwank and his butt-buddy Up-Chuck Shumer will have to say when that feces impacts the impeller?
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Exactly...the lawsuits to
March 17, 2009 - 21:59 ET by bigtimerExactly...the lawsuits to come down the road toward us tax-payers because of these blow-hard, band-wagon, congress-critters, that have caused this all, and continue to pile more on....is just going to cost us tax-payers tons of more $$$ before this is over...please Lord, let there be justice and this country votes them all out. ...ACORN and groups working against us be damned.
...and that is another spur under the saddle, the sister groups of ACORN, because they wouldn't use the actual acronym, got billions of dollars to kill the conservative vote out here in the Stimulation/Strangulation Bill.
Let's think this through!
March 17, 2009 - 22:18 ET by pbthinkerCan anyone tell me that Chuckie or Barney didn't know about the Dodd Amendment and what it meant? Well, if they know what it meant how can they be saying what they are?
These are the same people that want us to trust them to make the rules about health care. Well, what if they make the rules and, all of a sudden, they find out those rules are really stupid? Will they be re-writing the legislation after we've all been forced out of our HMO's?
The Democrats have no clue what they're doing. They only know how to oppose legislation, not propose legislation. This stuff is a farce, and they're just beginning to realize it. Now, they want to cover their tracks with this stuff from Schumer and Frank.
AIG gave billions to foreign banks and neither of these 2 scheisters is upset about it. Why? They knew this also and they're taking the lesser of 2 evils, in their opinion, and attacking it. The problem is they're wrong on both, because they knew about both.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
Let's think this through!
March 17, 2009 - 22:19 ET by pbthinkerCan anyone tell me that Chuckie or Barney didn't know about the Dodd Amendment and what it meant? Well, if they know what it meant how can they be saying what they are?
These are the same people that want us to trust them to make the rules about health care. Well, what if they make the rules and, all of a sudden, they find out those rules are really stupid? Will they be re-writing the legislation after we've all been forced out of our HMO's?
The Democrats have no clue what they're doing. They only know how to oppose legislation, not propose legislation. This stuff is a farce, and they're just beginning to realize it. Now, they want to cover their tracks with this stuff from Schumer and Frank.
AIG gave billions to foreign banks and neither of these 2 scheisters is upset about it. Why? They knew this also and they're taking the lesser of 2 evils, in their opinion, and attacking it. The problem is they're wrong on both, because they knew about both.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
Taxpayers Own 80% of AIG
March 18, 2009 - 05:29 ET by kilrod((The new law cleared the way for an explosion in credit default swaps. In the first half of 2001, there were $632 billion in credit default swaps outstanding, according to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association. By the second half of 2007, that number was up 100-fold — to more than $62 trillion. Now, as the government tries to unwind the mess at AIG, much of tax money pumped into AIG has quickly flowed out to dozens of “counterparties” — the companies, investment funds, municipalities and others who bought credit default swaps from the insurance giant.))
Since the taxpayer now owns 80% percent of AIG, they better be wondering how much of that 62 Trillion they are on the hook for. I repeat, this is the greatest fraud, scam, con in the history of the world.
kilrod
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"While the Senate was
March 17, 2009 - 21:44 ET by dborschjr68"While the Senate was constructing the $787 billion stimulus last
month, Dodd added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill,"
Rich Edson wrote. "The provision, now called ‘the Dodd Amendment' by
the Obama Administration, provides an ‘exception for contractually
obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009' -- which exempts the
very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are now seeking to tax."
Nonetheless, Schultz continued to put the blame on the former administration.
"They should have been telling the Congress exactly what was going to
happen with these bonuses," Schultz said. "It's a lack of passing on of
information. I would like to know if George W. Bush knew about these
bonuses."
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Honestly, seriously...is this the best the liberals have to offer? No wonder Conservative radio kicks ass. I mean, c'mon, this guy is blaming Bush for a plan formulated last month under Obama and added-to by Dodd? I'm simply amazed at this blatant stupidity.
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To the MSM: It has been said that, "The pen is mightier than the sword". So I'll tell ya what- how's about you hold onto a pen and see if it stops me from slapping your face. I'm just sayin'...
I hope Americans are keeping their eye on the ball.
March 17, 2009 - 22:04 ET by pbthinkerThere are a couple of things that bother me about this. First, the Democrats are screaming about bonuses but no one is talking about all the money AIG has sent to foreign banks. There is little doubt, in my mind, that our illustrious Secretary of the Treasury didn't know about these transfers of cash. Now, if you're Obama, what will people be more upset about money going to foreign banks or bonuses, duly earned, going to employees. I'm sure the bonuses could be explained. I'm sure the money going to foreign banks, while their governments are trashing the U.S. and our monetary policy, might be a tough sell. It's amazing how we hear nothing about that.
Secondly, why would Dodd put a date, such as he did, on the amendment? If Dodd knew those bonuses were out there, and the Secretary of the Treasury didn't, what's up with that? Either way, if Geithner knew, he should go if the Obama situation really feels the way they say they do. (Somehow I believe this is just a feint on their part and they could really care less since they know they'll get their campaign contributions out of these bonuses, when this is all over). Otherwise, Geithner didn't know (and Chris Dodd did) and he should be fired for ignorance.
As it always is with the Democrats, there are a lot of questions about this. Things are never, as they appear, with the Democrats.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
This is all a distraction
March 18, 2009 - 11:50 ET by dscottThis is all a distraction by Obama and the Democrats from the real issue, the bail out was unjustified in the face of an orderly bankruptcy filing. Tell us if this $165 million in bonuses would be paid in a bankruptcy court?
The real issue for both Dodd and Obama is their receiving of campaign contributions from the very people getting this money. This is Quid Pro Quo and therefore constitutes political corruption.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.php?cid=N00009638&name=&employ=AIG&state=%28all%29&zip=%28any+zip%29&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A Obama needs to explain the $112,720 from AIG employees OR he needs to give the money to AIG itself to pay the bonus. Dodd needs to do the same for the $143,500 in 2006 and 2008 election cycles: http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?name=&state=&zip=&employ=AIG&cand=DODD&c2008=Y&c2006=Y&sort=N&capcode=8kk2j&submit=Submit
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.