'Daily Show' Host Stewart Blasts CNBC as 'Disingenuous at Best and Criminal at Worst'

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It was supposed to be a moment of high drama - when Comedy Central "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart faced off with CNBC "Mad Money" host Jim Cramer.  But it wasn't a fight, it was more of a beating. The "comedian," as Cramer recently called him, repeatedly bashed the financial network and its star host in a segment called "Brawl Street."

The week-long feud began when CNBC reporter Rick Santelli canceled his scheduled appearance on the March 5 "The Daily Show," which led to a scathing attack on the entire CNBC network, and Cramer taking a few jabs in return. Finally, the "Mad Money" host sat down for an interview with Stewart on his March 12 broadcast. Initially, Cramer was apologetic for his the way the entire financial crisis had gone down from a media point-of-view.

"I think that everyone could have come in under criticism because we all should have seen it more," Cramer said. "I mean, admittedly, this is a terrible one and everybody got it wrong. I got a lot of things wrong, because I think it was a one in a million shot."

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However, Cramer would stick with that theme for the rest of the interview. Stewart differentiated his "comedy" show from what Cramer bills his show to be - an educational show with stock recommendations.

"You know, we're both snake oil salesman to a certain extent," Stewart said. "But, we do label this show as snake oil here. Isn't there a problem selling snake oil as vitamin tonic and saying that it cures impetigo, etc., etc. etc.?"

Stewart brought up a video Cramer for TheStreet.com on Dec. 22, 2006, in which he explained how the hedge fund he once managed would manipulate stock prices. The Comedy Central host challenged Cramer

"I want the Jim Cramer on CNBC to protect me from that Jim Cramer," Stewart said.

He then scolded Cramer for his antics that have made his show famous - like the "bells and whistles" that are part of the "Mad Money" production.

"I got to tell you, I understand you want to make finance entertaining, but it's not a [expletive] game," Stewart said. "And when I watch that, I can't tell you how angry that makes me because what it says to me is that you all know - you all know what's going on. You know, you can draw a straight line from those shenanigans, to the stuff that was being pulled at Bear, and at AIG and all this derivative market stuff that is this weird Wall Street side bet."

The Daily Show host repeatedly raised questions about how CNBC handled its reporting. "What we are getting is, listen you knew what the banks were doing. And yet we're touting it for months and months. The entire network was. And so now to pretend that this was some sort of crazy, once in a lifetime tsunami that nobody could have seen coming is disingenuous at best and criminal at worst."

When Cramer tried to defend himself and said CEOs, even ones he trusted, had lied to him, Stewart mocked him. "The CEO of a company lied to you," Stewart said. "But isn't that financial reporting? I mean, I guess, what do you feel like is the role of CNBC?"

Cramer insisted he wanted legal proceedings and indictments - "star chambers" and "kangaroo courts" - for the individuals involved.

Cramer contended there was a market for what CNBC does, including show like "Fast Money," which features a panel of hedge fund traders. However, Stewart commented there was a "market" for a lot of things.

"There's a market for cocaine and hookers," Stewart countered.

Cramer later issued a mea culpa and expressed his regret for what has happened.

"I think that as a network, we've produced a lot of interviews where I think that we've been - there have been people that have not told the truth," Cramer said. "Should we have been constantly pointing out the mistakes that were made? Absolutely. I surely wish we had done more. I think that we had been tough on the previous Treasury secretary, very tough on the previous administration - how they didn't get it, very tough on Ben Bernanke."

Stewart suggested CNBC personalities not take their interviewees at their word, insisted to remove some of the sensationalistic components of Cramer's show and "getting back to fundamentals."

"I think we make that deal right here," Cramer said.


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Did Stewart's Portfolio Tank?

It is called risk John. No one forces you to invest. Thus when you lose money it is no one's fault but your own. I have no pity for people who listen to the clueless analysts on CNBC like Cramer. Nor do I have pity for John's naive idealist, economic illiterate attitude. John should know the SECC is an absolutely worthless expense of tax payer money as have been all the regulations and government intervention that caused the whole problem to begin with.

Economic Depressions: Their Cause and Cure (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

I agree entirely. People,

I agree entirely. People, Jon Stewart among them, need to learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch. There are risks in everything, including stock investment. Am I saying that the individuals who caused this mess, such as AIG, should be let off the hook? No, prosecute them. I don't see Sn-Obama doing that though, and I am not going to hold my breath that it ever is going to happen. Is it sad that people end up losing a lot of their hard earned money because analysts like Cramer told them to invest in this and that and the system collapses (precisely because of the same regulations that Stewart advocates)? Of course, but no one forced them to. No one put a gun to their head and said invest your entire life's savings because a bimbo with cool graphics and sound effects told you to. For kicks I took some advice from Cramer and invested a bit in some of the suggestions he made. I lost money on all of them. It wasn't a lot of money, mind you, but I wouldn't be getting that money back any time soon. I take full responsibility however because I am young and wanted to try it out. Now I know that should just invest in companies I am passionate about (Disney, Netflix, etc.) and save up for retirement through an IRA.

Investment

 People, Jon Stewart among them, need to learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch.  People are going to learn the very very hard way; especially after seeing the results of the election.

As for investing: the best way to approach this, I think, is to take in as much information and weigh this against what you know about certain industries and go from there.  (Meaning you can listen to Cramer but not act on everything he does.  Like anyone else, he could be right but entirely wrong on the reasons why...or he could be totally wrong.  Or he could be entirely right.)

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Your point being?

Your point being?

And....?

And....?

Two out of three ain't bad

Well, Poppy, two out of three ain't bad!  Some links, and "ROFLMAO!!!" 

Three of THE ONLY RESPONSES YOU HAVE to ANYTHING on NB!!!

Who would listen to Jim Cramer?  SOMEBODY is, or CNBC would not be paying for his services. 

ROFLMAO!!!! 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Stewart knows the deal, he is simply a smokescreen.

to divert attention away from his political friends.   Cramer, Santelli, and Joe the plumber make easy targets.
Wasnt Stewart the one who ran a whole comedy campaign against the Bush administration, under the Mess O potamea type zinger?

 Here the Dems rise to power in 1/2007, and the economy implodes, and they and their buddies at fannie and freddie are caught red-faced;  Where is the Stewart comedy campaign:
the Great DEMpression, or the like..........
He isnt doing it because these are his pals, and he exists solely to provide political cover.
How about a thread where we name this Dem mess?

Cause and Effect

(Astonishing. I guess Reich doesn't believe that the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 or the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 -- both signed into law by his former boss named Clinton! -- had a hand in this crisis. After all, FSMA removed the last vestiges of the Depression era Glass-Steagall Act requiring a firewall between the services offered by banks, brokerage firms, and insurance companies. This massive deregulation of the financial services industry in November 1999 is very much what led to the current crisis. The following year CFMA deregulated lending derivatives such as credit default swaps which are at the heart of the problems facing the world's troubled financial institutions. )(From Noel Shepherd thread about Reich)

   Combined with the CRA of 1977 the above is the legislation that cleared the way for the real estate bubble and the stock bubble that is in the process of crashing right now. IMO we are witnessing the greatest scam, con, and fraud in the history of the world. I beleive the members of the house and senate(as well as Clinton), who pushed and passed the bills in 1999 and 2000, as well as the members of the financial, banking, and regulatory agencies new what the final result would be, and knew before it crashed they would make fortunes and then the taxpayers would be forced to pick up the tab. I beleive this was/is nothing more than a giant pyrimid scheme that makes Madoff look like a second rate con man. But i don't see anyone even mentioning prosecuting any of the people responsible. On the one hand i don't fault anyone for investing in good faith in our financial system, on the other hand after you realize you've been robbed, scammed, and conned, and you don't have the guts to stand up and do something about it, then to bad, you've gotten what you deserve. 

   kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

What are you talking about? Deregulation is not the cause

The Glass-Stegal Act made the banking sector weaker by breaking up the strongest banks. It was a progressive era attack on big business, especially J.P. Morgan. Progressives favored small banks, yet 90% of the bank failures during the Great Depression were small town banks. 

Don't Blame Capitalism (Peter Schiff, President of Euro Pacific Capital)
The Myth that Laissez Faire Is Responsible for Our Present Crisis (George Reisman, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

The CRA did not cause the problem (yes it should be repealed) the Fed did. You seem to be confused about our banking system which is a pyramid scheme AKA fractional reserve banking.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

PT, The CRA IS THE FED.

The CRA did not cause the problem (yes it should be repealed) the Fed did.

What part of the private sector caused this?  CRA is the FED 

Government Intervention Actually Responsible for the Crisis

Beyond all this is the further fact that the actual responsibility for our financial crisis lies precisely with massive government intervention,
above all the intervention of the Federal Reserve System in attempting
to create capital out of thin air, in the belief that the mere creation
of money and its being made available in the loan market is a
substitute for capital created by producing and saving. This is a
policy it has pursued since its founding, but with exceptional vigor
since 2001, in its efforts to overcome the collapse of the stock market
bubble whose creation it had previously inspired.

 

so $ 2.4 TRILLION  via HUD  shoveled via  fannie & freddie.

Again the FED!

Under laissez-faire capitalism, eleven of the fifteen cabinet
departments would cease to exist and only the departments of justice,
defense, state, and treasury would remain.

" The article describes how HUD progressively reduced its lending
standards: "families no longer had to prove they had five years of
stable income; three years sufficed… lenders were allowed to hire their
own appraisers rather than rely on a government-selected panel …
lenders no longer had to interview most government-insured borrowers
face to face or maintain physical branch offices," because the
government's approval for granting mortgage insurance had become
automatic.

Well I agree with you the CRA should be tossed out.

P.R.I.N.T. Money   30 sec YT 

The Federal Reserve Bank

Not the Federal Government, The Federal Reserve Bank.

Yes, Greenspan Did It (Stefan Karlsson, Economist)

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Amazing

I have no pity for people who listen to the clueless analysts on CNBC like Cramer.  Poppy, you can listen to Cramer all day and all night - I do occasionally - but you don't have to act on it either.  (It's kinda nice to hear another perspective on business every now and then.) 

Nor do I have pity for John's naive idealist, economic illiterate attitude.  One of the biggest economic illiterates here constantly running around, pointing his finger at people, screaming that they are economic illiterates.  The irony never ceases to amaze me.

John should know the SECC is an absolutely worthless expense of tax payer money as have been all the regulations and government intervention that caused the whole problem to begin with.  Hmmmm - the SEC caused this?  And here I was thinking that this was caused by issues in the financial sector caused primarily by banks loaning to those who could not or will not pay back the loans (at the government's behest).  Silly me!

And thank you for pointing out that not only are you a whacked-out Libertarian but also a reactionary. If you beloved Ph. D in economics was remotely correct in his assertion (notice once again it isn't what YOU think but the thoughts of others), maybe YOU in your OWN words can explain why only ONE economic depression has been suffered since 1913.  Contrast that with the era after the Civil War, which saw them occur in 1873, 1894, and in the late 1900s (IIRC on the last one). 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Interesting

“whacked-out Libertarian "

The idea of liberty, freedom and free choice upsets you?

The idea that each cares for self and all will be cared for, bothers you? 

The idea that an individual is accountable for his choice, must be response-able to that choice and do so at no cost to others without their consent, thereby upholding individual civil liberty & freedom for...once again...free choice, this makes you angry?

Clearly you are confused about where choice belongs - it belongs to the individual.

You may enjoy indulging in excuses, rationalizations and justifications for individual choice in order to absolve them of their accountability; however, you elevate yourself as thinking you know better how others should live their lives.  

Additionally, you set yourself up for your own personal excuses, rationalizations and justifications at some point when you relinquish your accountability of choice - in hopes of being "forgiven".  Well, in addition to your enjoyment of being a "victim".

Perhaps the idea of liberal-democrap stupidology where controls, regulations and manipulations are your ideology, consider you take away the freedoms of the individual by doing so. 

You create a target for yourself when others will disapprove or elevate themselves to thinking they know better how you should live.  

Oh, that’s right – that’s what the current administration is doing – you must be in heaven.

 

What???

 Oh, that’s right – that’s what the current administration is doing – you must be in heaven  This is perhaps the biggest, most idiotic response I have seen to one of my posts in some time.

If you have bothered reading my posts over time, it is fairly obvious to one and all that I am in fact a Rightists, and my repeated reference to the current White House occupant as His Majesty The Shahinshah is NOT a complement or an indicator of my approval of what He is doing. 

But obviously you have not.  So, do yourself a small favor before you further embarrass yourself, and go back over my posts. 

Not to mention that in your rush to call me a Leftist, you left out the fact that I was reacting to Poppy's link to an economist whose ideas I thought were silly.  How this elicits a response such as yous I have no idea.

By the way, just because I am a Rightist does not mean I am too friendly with Libertarians, who I find to be a mix of utopian, reactionary, and obsessed with drugs (on a GOOD day). 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Unsane are you politically illiterate too?

Why would he support what the current administration is doing when he stands for economic freedom and personal liberty? Are you confused about what Libertarians stand for? Hint - they are not liberals and certainly not socialists like Obama.

LMAO! Libertarians are utopian? Reactionary? ROFLMAO! What the hell are you talking about? You are are also confused about Pot Head's who call themselves libertarian to further their cause for legal drugs not because they truly believe in Libertarian principles.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Pop

You are who you associate with. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

I'm a professor of economics?

in this thread pop you've

in this thread pop you've associated with ICONIC FREEDOM a self-described “whacked-out Libertarian "

and you get wackier by the day

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

No I haven't

But your obsession with me never ends. Notice I never follow you around because I could careless what you have to say as it is always irrelevant, case in point.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

i'm just glad you care ;^

i'm just glad you care

;^ )

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

I don't

That is why I said 'careless' - "Unconcerned or indifferent"

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

you also said you 'could'

you also said you 'could' careless that means you, you, gosh you care.

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

[grammar police] "Care

[grammar police]

"Care less,"  not "careless," right?

[/grammar police out] 

Bal

your flag

fly it with pride ;^ )

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

I know, botg. Years spent as

I know, botg. Years spent as a book editor have ruined me. :-)

Bal: Know what you

Bal:

Know what you mean.  Years spent writing in the very chopped -clipped military style where adverbs, pronouns etc are removed has colored my thinking....

Nope

lol, did you even read the

lol, did you even read the definition? rather careless of you

LMAO

Yes

Unconcerned or indifferent - AKA I don't care. I never have, ever. If you never posted again, I would not lose one bit of sleep. Your obsession with bringing in offtopic discussions to attack the libertarian party is pathetic.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

"Careless" is an adjective.

"Careless" is an adjective. So saying "I could not careless" is like saying "I could not sloppy."

no no no Bal

it's:

So saying "I could careless" is like saying "I could sloppy."

leaving out the not is the point here after all...

 

"Jethro cypher for us-----  not plus not is not" -- the Beverly Hillbillies

True

But you DO care

Really?  You repeated postings and responses indicate otherwise. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Okay Bal, you got me on that

Okay Bal, you got me on that one.  I am now cleaning up my blackberry from coffee involuntarily spit upon...

"i could unconcerned or

"i could unconcerned or indifferent"??

 ---yeah that makes sense

"methinks the lady doth protest too much" --- Shakespeare

No it means you don't know

Could as in possibly, so I will clarify I don't and never will care about what you have to say.

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popstar

the idiom should be "I couldn't care less" as in i care so little i could not care less.  You can learn the simple stuff at least...

 

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Bruce

Why do so many not get that idiom correct?  I know that it is minor, but it is really one of my pet peeves.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

R1

it's up there with using irregardless when regardless is the proper term.

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

~Wow

You guys just brought up two of my three pet peeves! The third is when people say 'refer back'.

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

efforting  ---- nuff

efforting  ---- nuff said 

hello Bruce

Atritting.....

Atritting.....

;^ )

~????

'Efforting' and 'Atritting'? Seriously, someone thinks those are words?!

Disclaimer: My college graduate husband thought 'politefully' was a word. We had that discussion again last night.
THUD *head hits table*

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

efforting

Yeah, it is just like

Yeah, it is just like Attriting.  WHich when used is usually used in place of the words destroying instead of the original use of the base word "Attrition" which means essentially both sides losing somewhat equally as in "Grinding down".

~Like 'eroding'?

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

chose...

How about the improper use of "reticent" as a synonym for "reluctant" or "hesitant".  I hear it frequently.  Are you able to share your other two peeves on a family site?  Will you give us a hint?

Jer

Jer

read again, we had already listed her other two pet peeves

Shakespeare is pretentious crap  ---- poptech

Thanks, botg...I had just

Thanks, botg...I had just logged on, and scanned too hurriedly.

In case you're interested, my two main pet peeves are "bicyclists" and the "penny".

Jer

jer

are there packs of wild bicyclists throwing pennies at you?

--i hate when that happens

Shakespeare is pretentious crap  ---- poptech

After I drive past yelling

After I drive past yelling at them, I'm sure they would love to throw pennies at me.  Fortunately, there's no room to carry them in those tight little spandex pants they wear. 

Jer

what do you think the

what do you think the man-purse around their waist is for?

Shakespeare is pretentious crap  ---- poptech

Razors, shaving gel, and

Razors, shaving gel, and performance enhancing drugs.

Jer

Restless..."I could care less"

Restless...

I confess to stating "I could care less" in a post about six months ago, and I believe it was Mr. Shy who gleefully ridiculed me over my blunder.  After recovering from my humiliation, I went to [I think] dictionary.com and one of the first sources I checked indicated that in recent years both "I could care less" and "I couldn't care less" have become generally acceptable to convey the identical sentiment.

I felt at least partially vindicated, but not confident enough to check other sources. 

Jer

generally acceptable and

generally acceptable and correct are two separate things just because a lot of people say something the wrong way and it becomes general usage doesn't correct the grammer

 

Shakespeare is pretentious crap  ---- poptech

I'm just saying the

I'm just saying the discovery was sufficient to lift me out of the depths of embarrassment.

Jer

~Jer darling!

Twenty years ago when I was a little kid my older brother used to say "I could care less" and I would point out to him then that it should be "couldn't care less". I think he's STILL saying it that way.
I'd have to say that 'refer back' is the most annoying, and 'Canadian geese' is the most amusing. Do people think they have citizenship?

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

Irrelevant

I do not care what you have to say. You on the other hand do care what I say which is why you follow me around.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

you flatter yourself

i merely am reactionary towards lunacy i find in the 'recent comments' unfortunately that often involves you

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Why are you obsessed with me?

You constantly follow me around and respond to various things I post by attacking the Libertarian party.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

i seldom mention the

i seldom mention the Libertarian Party it was brought up today, i linked directly to their platform.  Now go find where i have "constantly ....... attack(ing) the Libertarian party".

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

You clearly follow me around

"i just knew this would be a pop tech post based solely on the title"

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

which is as i said

i check the 'recent comments' for foolishness and bam! there you is!

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

The solutions are simple

If you don't want a reaction, just don't post on NB ever again.  Then I guarantee you no one will "follow you around" ever again.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Nothing to do with the reaction

It has to do with the constant diversion of dragging up unrelated discussions that have nothing to do with the comment or the topic.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Again...

Again, if you don't want that to happen...read the post you reacted to.

Finally, if you truly didn't care, as you insistently pout and whine much as an adolescent would, you likewise wouldn't respond.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Untruths must be responded to

I don't pout, I ................. LMAO!

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Untruths must be responded to

egggsactly, see you knew what i've been doing all along

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

The Three Responses

Damn, I forgot...

Your only three responses to ANY NB stimuli are:

1) bibs consisting of thousands of links,

2) smartass comments/smack,

3) ROFLMAO!!!

ROFLMAO!!! 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Pop tech complaining

Pop tech complaining against a poster having a supposed fixation?

Hahahahahahahahahahah!

By the way, when was the

By the way, when was the last time Pop Tech had a "Palin Fit"? 

could/couldn't

I agree with botg. By your wording, you care. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

This is Sad

By my wording you had no way of knowing, thus I clarified - I don't.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

"methinks the lady doth

"methinks the lady doth protest too much"  -- Shakespeare

your government education is

your government education is showing

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Your ignorance is showing

I went to private schools, except for High School where all the government employed english teachers though the overrated Shakespeare was the second coming of Obama.

Shakespeare is pretentious crap, peddled to the masses as fine literature. His most famous works are depressing tragedies, his comedies are not funny and his style painful to read.

People quote shakespeare to appear intellectual.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Clearly you have a lot to learn about your own language

People quote shakespeare to appear intellectual.  This entire quote, and your comment that "Shakespeare is pretentious crap", indicates to me you have yet to go to school, private or otherwise, or are in rebellion as you are being assigned Shakespeare to read. 

See, Poppy, people do not quote Shakespeare to "appear intellectual".  People quote him and do not realize it.  You probably have spouted off lines from Polonius's monologue in Hamlet and do not know it.  That's just ONE example.  His influence on the English language is that powerful. 

His works, and the version of the Bible produced by King James I commission, are essentially the beginning of the modern form of English you use.  Thus words, phrases and quotations from both pervade English.  Both are extremely influential. 

I will agree that the style is painful to read, but for a simple reason: the plays are NOT meant to be read but performed.  That and in some cases some references and figures of speech make no sense as this is no longer the England of Elizabeth I and James I.  But to dismiss Shakespeare out of hand as "pretentious crap" only tells me you do not understand your own language very well at all. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

It is like an Insane Asylum - The Bible created English?

I've painfully read around a dozen crap Shakerpeare "plays" for various classes when I was in school years ago.

Wow so if a quote is commonly used it means they influenced the English language? By that logic any person who has a famous quote "influenced" the english language.

Botg clearly quoted shakespeare to appear intellectual.

Wait so Shakespear and the Kings James Bible invented the English Language? OMG, I just fell the hell out of my chair. ROFLMAO!

....it hurts so bad.

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Influenced and shaped, yes, invented, no

PT,

As a conservative who cherishes his conservative roots, his legacy of those who came before me and influenced my being a conservative, I would never laugh at the contribution Shakespeare and the King James Bible have made in enriching our language.

Far better to celebrate their influence and encourage it rather than to allow the unseemly and perverse language of Rap and common slang to destroy our birthright's best means of clear and concise communication.

What I do find laughable is when someone quotes Shakespeare and misses the point. For example, "to thine own self be true," which was written for a somewhat shallow character in Hamlet, is often used by someone to justify their actions.

But, unless we are literate and knowledgable of it origin, we cannot respond with the complete line of Shakespeare which is “To thine own self be true. And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou can not then be false to any man.”

To wit, I say, these days, there is something rotten in the state of D.C.. And, man, doth it stinketh!

Complete immaturity on parade

Wait so Shakespear and the Kings James Bible invented the English Language? OMG, I just fell the hell out of my chair. ROFLMAO!....it hurts so bad.  Poppy, thank you for telling me your grade level is somewhere between 5 and 8. 

I have yet to run into anyone who studies English literature or who pays close attention to the English langauge that will argue that the plays/poems of Shakespeare and the translation of the Bible commissioned by King James I - hence the "King James Version" - are not the beginnings of modern English. 

You constantly use phrases and quotations found in both, like it or not.  This is an immutable fact. 

Your entire post is merely a testament to not just your complete ignorance but your total immaturity as well. 

Wow so if a quote is commonly used it means they influenced the English language? By that logic any person who has a famous quote "influenced" the english language.  The difference you miserably fail to grasp is that people all over the world who speak the English language use Shakespearean quotes and quotes from the KJV of the Bible constantly, without being aware of it.  So, is the entire English language "pretentious crap"? 

I for one will never forget looking at "The Seven Ages of Man" for the first time, looking at all the quotes and phrases we use every day.  Or, Polonius's opening monologue to Claudius and his new wife (his brother's widow), for the same reason. 

The fact that you fail to grasp this and show no interest in grasping this further indicates your commitment to total immaturity. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Concur!  While I found it

Concur!  While I found it (Henry V) difficult to get through, it was worth the time spent reading.

I would challenge Poptech to find any other work by any other author from the same period that he thinks has as much impact on the world today.  Aside from one or two Japanese works which have far lesser impact, I can think of none.

~Henry V

Has the best lines for military men
Once more into the breach dear friends, once more....Gentlemen in England, now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap, whilst any speaks, who fought with us, upon St. Crispan's Day... We few, we happy few, We band of brothers
For he today, that sheds his blood with me, shall be my brother..
I'm a woman and those lines stir MY blood.
Jeez, I'm going to go read it again now, 'scuse me.

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

unsane -- someone has been

unsane -- someone has been reduced to sound and fury signifying nothing. And it's NOT you!

I can't even take the other commentator seriously! 

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Point of View

In the modern context, Shakespeare is indeed pretentious crap.  However, in a historical sense, it heldtrmemdous appeal to a huge cross section of audience.

And I have to admit that I really do enjoy reading certain works fo "The Bard."

Of course, this post is subjective, and being such, is quite possibly...pretentious crap itself. :)

Smile, ladlemen and gentlies, it is The Weekend!

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

What's sad

Is the fact you apparently don't know the difference between could and couldn't, and yet feel qualified to constantly call the rest of us idiots. 

 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

More confusion

I do know the difference but do not care. I was unaware this would become a grammar war since it appears people are unable to debate the current topics.

Who have I corrected on gramar? You seem confused.

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A fool thinks himself to be wise,

but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.

Maybe, maybe not

I've yet to broach that subject. 

That you missed my point proves you clueless.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Your point is pointless

Because you have no idea who I associate with.

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Shawn

won't be happy with you stealing his Oblio appelation

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

What?

which word don't you

which word don't you understand?  i'll explain it.............

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

As usual

I have no idea what you are talking about. Please refer more to obscure references with phrases not commonly used.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

I have no idea what you are

I have no idea what you are talking about

really? so i should be more esoteric? then you'd get it?

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

What are you talking about?

why poppie

you wrote:

I have no idea what you are talking about. Please refer more to obscure references with phrases not commonly used.

to which i responded that since you don't understand how does my being more esoteric help you to understand.

it's called English.

well yer doin it

well yer doin it rong

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

I agree, sarcasm should be

I agree, sarcasm should be left to the proficient....

~Whassat?

Did you call?

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

But Pop

You most certainly must endorse drug use, despite your protestations, because your party does. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Where does the party support your implication

Where does the Libertarian party support your negative implication of drug addiction? They simply support personal liberty. They in no way advocate addiction or you negative implications.

I understand their position but even still do not advocate it. Regardless I am a Conservative Libertarian.

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And yet

you continually call republicans out on spending even as you are well aware few of us endorse it. If you are going to link us to our party's mistakes, then you'll be linked to yours, pothead. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Are you serious? This is unbelievable, maybe the truth hurts?

The Republican Party being held accountable for ridiculous spending (which is a fact) means you can lie and smear me by calling me a pot head? The fact is you have no amount of integrity.

Bush Was a Big-Government Disaster (The Wall Street Journal)

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Ha!!!

You prove my point. You condemn all republicans because of the "spending" of the Bush administration, (most of which was for the wars, but that is for a later discussion), yet you are not accountable for you party's platform. If you are going to associate us with over-spending republicans, then I will associate you with druggies. Fair is fair. 

On the other hand, if you are willing to drop you air of superiority and discuss things on a civil level, we will respond in kind. The choice is yours. 

(Cliched, worn out response to follow). 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

A new low in smear tactics

The Republican Party AKA not only the Bush Administration but a majority of Congressional Republicans are responsible for the spending. It is not just the war but entitlements like prescription drugs and worthless education bills. The absurdity is I have never held YOU responsible for it nor anyone here yet you use a new low in smear tactics and twisted logic to attempt to smear me.

You always have the choice not to smear me with lies yet you are incapable of this.

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The smear merchant crying about getting smeared

Isn't it funny how NB's biggest smear merchant constantly SCREAMS and SCREAMS and SCREAMS and SCREAMS and SCREAMS and SCREAMS and SCREAMS and SCREAMS and SCREAMS and SCREAMS that he is getting "smeared"? 

Especially when he is getting pounded? 

Basically, I think whenever he whines about getting "smeared", that means he loses.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Nothing I say is a lie

I fully support my positions, those who smear me, are flat our lying because they lost the debate and are so dishonest and desparate they try to discredit me with smears.

Yes "pounded" relentlessly with lies and smears.

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You fully support your

You fully support your positions?  Hell, you don't even enunciate your positions - simply throw up SOMEONE ELSE's articulation of a position in the form of a link to anothers post.  Then when asked for clarification to your position, you post 75 links to others posts.

Sadly, YOU HAVE NO POSITIONS.

 

It is called sourcing

I know it is annoying since I support my positions as opposed to just making things up.

I hold many positions

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Sourcing?  Hell, what is

Sourcing?  Hell, what is the point of a source when the position is not fully articulated?

Please, list the many positions you adhere to.  Oh, and please do not "Link" me these positions.  I actually wish to read YOUR OWN!

Actually, YOU lose, not we

Actually, it is in fact the opposite.

When you start screaming indignantly and piously about how you are getting smeared, you lose, and lose big, because YOU are the BIGGEST smear merchant on NB.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

LMAO! Libertarians are

LMAO! Libertarians are utopian? Reactionary? ROFLMAO! What the hell are you talking about? You are are also confused about Pot Head's who call themselves libertarian to further their cause for legal drugs not because they truly believe in Libertarian principles.  

plink ------ As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.   [yup utopian]

plank -----We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.  [yup reactionary]

plunk ------We support the protections provided by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, and property. Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. We favor the repeal of all laws creating "crimes" without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.  [yup stoners]

http://www.lp.org/platform

 

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Clueless

Libertarian positions are not impractical and thus not Utopian.

Do you even know what reactionary means? It means extremely conservative! LMAO!

Yes stoners exist, yes some stoners call themselves Libertarians. That has nothing to do with the Libertarian position on personal freedom. You should know better considering my strong opposition to pot heads.

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HA!

three (3) points directly from the libertarian platform and the popper avoids every one

oh and btw: reactionary: Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative

what part of: "challenge the cult of the omnipotent state" do you not understand?  challenge-- react to!  but they react to what? their own hallucination. 

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Understanding Word Usage

Libertarians are not opposed to progress or liberalism - "An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard."

They are thus not reactionary.

Progress vs Progressivism are different things as are Classical Liberalism vs Social Liberalism.

Word Usage is important.

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oh yeah right... opposed to

oh yeah right... opposed to and react to have no coorelation at all.  But in your typical OCD manner you can't let go of the lesser used and special definition of the word.

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Are Libertarians opposed to Free-Markets?

I have a bad problem of reading dictionaries. Should I take your advice and just freely define words only how you "feel" like?

I have chosen - no.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

 reactionary:

 reactionary: Characterized by reaction

react to --- opposition to

the rest of the definition delves into special case (ie: beyond the broad definition) as is shown by the term especially

wow i'd think a dictionary maven would understand such things

And yet all my points are directly from the libertarian platform and yes they are reacting to "the cult of the omnipotent state" which, by definition, makes them reactionary.  Now post again the special meaning and ignore the general meaning like a true compulsive or maybe learn something????   Your choice.....

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Word Usage

The political definition applies because you are directly attacking the Libertarian Party which is a political party.

Libertarians are not reactionary.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Reactionaries

...but they ARE.  Reactionaries can be extreme conservatives.  But another definition of a reactionary is one who wishes to turn back the clock, one who wishes to return to an idealized time and place.

Many of the Libertarians' ideas are in fact nothing but returns to an idealized time and place.  Getting rid of ICBs?  That's heading back to the 19th Century.  Getting rid of power projection and shifting to a strictly defensive military policy, and extreme isolationism?  Back to the 18th Century. 

In those two points alone, Libertarians are reactionaries.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

The never ending confusion

By that definition, conservatives are reactionaries and thus you defeat your own argument.

You are confused. Libertarians are all over the map on national defense. I personally favor a strong non-interventionalist military composed of mainly voluntary reserves.

Since Libertarians clearly advocate for global trade they are not isolationists but non-interventionalists. There is a HUGE difference between the two.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

You still need to be educated I see

from dictionary.com: 

Reactionary

Re*ac"tion*a*ry\, n.; pl. Reactionaries. One who favors reaction, or seeks to undo political progress or revolution.

reactionary

An extremely conservative person or position that not only resists change but seeks to return to the “good old days” of an earlier social order. 

Poppy, conservatives in general do not favor a return to a previous time.  Libertarians constantly cry for a return to an idealized past.  Hence, THEY are reactionaries.

 By that definition, conservatives are reactionaries and thus you defeat your own argument.  Huh???

You are confused. Libertarians are all over the map on national defense. I personally favor a strong non-interventionalist military composed of mainly voluntary reserves.   I am spot on.  I have never known a Libertarian that does not favor what you favor: a whiny, pathetic, toothless, laughing stock America that sits and waits for the sheep to get slaughtered.

Seems to me no Libertarian has heard of Pearl Harbor...

Since Libertarians clearly advocate for global trade they are not isolationists but non-interventionalists. There is a HUGE difference between the two.  Isolationism and protectionism have a huge world of difference.  There is NO difference between isolationism and "non-internventionism", which seems to be a Ron Paul invention; probably because he is too embarrassed to say he is an isolationist and aches so deeply, as do you, for an America that is as weak and powerless as possible. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Unsane - The Libertarian Propagandist

Please show me where exactly Libertarians want to return to. What time exactly? Or are you as usual confusing some parts of past examples they use to make their economic case? You seem to be poorly read and absolutely unknowledgeable on all things Libertarian.

You are such a sad desparate man, you just state lies over and over because you choose to hate, instead of understand.

Over and over again, you cannot even comprehend the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.

All you want to do is lie and spread propaganda. Time to grow up.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Riposte

Please show me where exactly Libertarians want to return to. What time exactly? Or are you as usual confusing some parts of past examples they use to make their economic case?  No to both.  If you want examples, scroll up a few posts.  I'm not doing your work FOR you.  It isn't my fault you cannot read.  Time for you to do some research.  I do enough of that day to day.   

You seem to be poorly read and absolutely unknowledgeable on all things Libertarian.  Projecting onto others much?You are such a sad desparate man, you just state lies over and over because you choose to hate, instead of understand.   Unfortunately I have yet to lie.  I understand, and as such, I roll my eyes.  I reserve my hatred for those who wish to destroy the country, as I may have to face them again one day.

"Sad" and "desperate" are quite amusing adjectives to describe me...if I showed this to any of my friends and family they'd...ROFLTAO!!!

Over and over again, you cannot even comprehend the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.  Here's the difference: the latter term was coined by Your Reactionary God in order to mask the fact that he and his worshippers are in fact the FORMER.  Damn, that was easy.  Didn't break a sweat there. 

In matters of economics, the terms are "free-trader" and "protectionist". 

All you want to do is lie and spread propaganda. Time to grow up  Are you done projecting, Poppy?  It is clear that, as you are an adolescent, you have more than enough growing up to do on your own without demanding adults do the same.  From the looks of things, I commissioned when you were still filling up diapers. 

If anyone on this board is spreading propaganda...well, go look in the mirror. 

Sheesh, there should be a minimum age for those who post here. 


"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Concur.  On defense they

Concur.  On defense they seek societal retraction to an older time and place with little relevance to todays world. 

In fact, one of PopTech few posits that can actually be identified as an actual position is that what we modernly refer to as terrorism did not occur prior to 1948.  Thus by extension all terrorism in the islamic world is a reaction to the creation of the state of Israel. Clearly wrong.

When talking to libertarians this retration can be mild ("we want to dig in at the southern border and pull back all troops in all foreign lands") or it can be extreme ("we want to privatize the US military and ala the private military companies of Holland in 1548") but all are recipes for disaster.

Interesting

Interesting, BD...

Poppy has asserted that no Islamic terrorism existed before 1948, eh?  (I think I remember that post...)

We both remember what one particular big happening was in the Middle East that year...

Could it be that Poppy is blaming the founding of the State of Israel for the beginning of Islamic terrorism???

A term for such a belief immediately springs to mind... 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Yep, he seems to fall into

Yep, he seems to fall into that catagory, though he is loathe to discuss it now after I listed the various terrorist incidents that occured prior to 1948.  He simply insists "They were not terrorism."

You Forgot Some Pl*nk, botg

I appreciate your inclusion of Plink, Plank, and Plunk, but you left some others out, and in the spirit of "egalitarianism" (Why is that not a four letter word?  It should be...), I believe you need to include the following:

Plenk

Plonk

Sometimes...

Plynk

And occasionally...

Plwnk

I don't really buy the last one.

How about...

Plaenk

Plounk

Plawnk

Plewnk

Pleink

Or should that be " 'i' before 'e' except after 'c '...?

I almost forgot...

Ploonk

Hooray, the Weekend!!!

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

well the ploonks live by

well the ploonks live by the plawnk in the town of plynk with their pet plounks while their cousins the plewnks live by the pleink.

Mr Geisel would love it

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Bless You Sir!

Thank you for joining me in a little silliness.  I appreciate it!

Plynk?  Is that somewhere in Russia?

Besides, "ploonks" sounds a little bigoted.

And why do the "plewnks" get to live by the "pleink?"

Is that really the equality of outcome that these poor, suffering pleenks need?

 

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" - me

well they shudda kept clear

well they shudda kept clear of the moonshine

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

How Dare You!

 Such a remark is offensive and racist!

These pleenks desperately need our help with their ongoing struggle against the ploinks!  They do not need you to judge them for their ploank!

For shame...for shame...

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

lol

nite rex

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Adieu

 May you dream of large plownks.  G'nite.  Its been fun.

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

Why would he support what the current administration is doing when he stands for economic freedom and personal liberty? Are you confused about what Libertarians stand for?  No, but since you keep insisting their beliefs on drugs are anything other than they are, I'd say YOU are confused about a major part of their platform from their founding.  ROFLMAO!!!   Hint - they are not liberals and certainly not socialists like Obama.  Nope.  They are utopians and reactionaries.  Read on. 

Libertarians are utopian? Reactionary?  Yes, they are. 

Utopian - in that they believe once they implement their policies, no bad, unintended coinsequences will ever ever occur, and that the world will just magically, happily, go right along with them. 

Reactionary - Let's look at your buddy, the prof.  He's very unhappy that there are independent central banks.  He lost that argument so long ago it's not even funny.  In the case of the United States, 1913.  Hence, he wants to go to an idealized world before the existence of ICBs.  This is the CLASSIC definition of a reactionary.

ROFLMAO!!!  (The only response the little boy Poppy has for anything.  That, or vomiting bibs, or smartass comments, and the words "illiterate" and "worthless" keep coming up over and over.  I guess schools don't teach much vocab these days...)  ME?  Politically illiterate when you insist we vote for a washed-up has been for POTUS and a professional gambler for VP???   ROFLMAO!!!  ROTFLMAO!!!  ROFLMAO!!!

You are are also confused about Pot Head's who call themselves libertarian to further their cause for legal drugs not because they truly believe in Libertarian principles.  No, sweetie.  The Libertarian Party is ALL ABOUT an obsessive devotion to drugs.  If not...

Please explain why a local head shop STILL is festooned with campaign signs for Bob Barr AND Ron Paul.  Why, because of their hostility to drugs?  Hardly. 

The only reason most kids on campus have even heard of Libertarians is because of their obsessive devotion to drugs. 

And you have the audacity to call me a "political illiterate."  ROFLMAO!!!!! 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Unsane the Socialist

Why do you advocate government control over the banking system? I had no idea you were a socialist.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Unsane is not a socialist, you putrid, basement-dwelling....

...tweezer-seeking pud-knocker.

While, as a for-real libertarian, I have repeatedly questioned the "War on Drugs" as is currently being carried out by our out-of-control, Imperial Federal Government, I have never advocated their use as a lifestyle.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Unsane is a Socialist

He advocates government control over the banking system.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Huh?

Where do I advocate government control over the banking system, and how am I a Socialist?

I am becoming increasing convinced that you absolutely, positively, have zero idea what you are talking about.  Which is only showing me your adolescence still further.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

You advocate Central Banking AKA Government Control

Thus you are a socialist and do not even realise it.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

And how would you control

And how would you control currency without it?

 

Are the Founders Socialists? Hmmmmmmmmm?

So, those who penned the Constitution are also Socialists?

Review Article I for me again.

There IS a clause that gives Congress the power "To coin money" and "to regulate the value thereof". 

Congress performs the last function via the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.   

So, to reiterate, are you calling the Founders Socialists?

And, to repeat BD's question, what would YOU do to regulate the value of the currency?

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Unsane, you are such a

Unsane, you are such a socialist.

Okay, I tried to say it with a straight face, but cannot.

Why do you waste time of these puds, bro? Especially a major douche like PopTech, who obsesses and obsesses like most of Libertarians who have no lives?

Just remind them of the $96 million earmarks der leader, pseudo-Libertarian-but-still-worshipped-as-a-god Ron Paul has in the latest spending bill. I guess blimps have high maintenance costs...

Speaking of blimps, 120 years ago today, Ferdinand von Zeppelin patented his flying balloon. Even he would have laughed at all the Paulbots who donated money in 2008 to their God.

Roger the Clueless - Doesn't Understand What He is Talking About

I have never endorsed Ron Paul the Republican but said I would vote for him if he was nominated. I certainly do not worship him as a God but respect his economic positions. You get yourself involved in conversations you do not even understand.

Earmarks and Pork Barrel Spending are two different things and often confused.

Ron Paul did not vote to have $96 million added to any bill, he voted against the spending bill but once it was passed, it was his job as a representative of Texas to earmark tax payer money back to his constituents. Earmarking AFTER a bill like that is passed is simply determining how the money is spent. The earmarking you are refering to is ADDING spending onto a bill.

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Unsane the economic illiterate

Listen as in take his advice.

Yes I constantly call people such as yourself an economic illiterate because you are.

I never said the SECC caused it but it certainly did not prevent it and is absolutely worthless. The Federal Reserve caused the financial crisis.

Yes, Greenspan Did It (Stefan Karlsson, Economist)

Since a Ph.D. Professor of Economics is making the case for me, why not let him explain you confusion about the cause of bank panics which is always due to inflationary fractional reserve banking or government intervention. Oh wait he wrote a book on this too:

A History of Money and Banking in the United States: The Colonial Era to World War II (PDF) (510 pgs) (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

 

The Panic of 1873

"Orthodox economic historians have long complained about the "great depression" that is supposed to have struck the United States in the panic of 1873 and lasted for an unprecedented six years, until 1879. Much of this stagnation is supposed to have been caused by a monetary contraction leading to the resumption of specie payments in 1879. Yet what sort of "depression" is it which saw an extraordinarily large expansion of industry, of railroads, of physical output, of net national product, or real per capita income? As Friedman and Schwartz admit, the decade from 1869 to 1879 saw a 3-percent-perannum increase in money national product, an outstanding real national product growth of 6.8 percent per year in this period, and a phenomenal rise of 4.5 percent per year in real product per capita. Even the alleged "monetary contraction" never took place, the money supply increasing by 2.7 percent per year in this period. From 1873 through 1878, before another spurt of monetary expansion, the total supply of bank money rose from $1.964 billion to $2.221 billion—a rise of 13.1 percent or 2.6 percent per year. In short, a modest but definite rise, and scarcely a contraction. It should be clear, then, that the "great depression" of the 1870s is merely a myth—a myth brought about by misinterpretation the fact that prices in general fell sharply during the entire period. Indeed they fell from the end of the Civil War until 1879. Friedman and Schwartz estimated that prices in general fell from 1869 to 1879 by 3.8 percent per annum. Unfortunately, most historians and economists are conditioned to believe that steadily and sharply falling prices must result in depression: hence their amazement at the obvious prosperity and economic growth during this era. For they have overlooked the fact that in the natural course of events, when government and the banking system do not increase the money supply very rapidly, freemarket capitalism will result in an increase of production and economic growth so great as to swamp the increase of money supply. Prices will fall, and the consequences will be not depression or stagnation, but prosperity (since costs are falling, too) economic growth, and the spread of the increased living standard to all the consumers."

 

The Panic of 1893

"The financial panics throughout the late nineteenth century were a result of the arbitrary credit creation powers of the banking system. While not as harmful as today’s inflation mechanism, it was still a storm in an otherwise fairly healthy economic climate. The Republican Party intensified its longtime flirtation with inflation by passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act of 1890,

In the same year, the Republicans passed the high McKinley Tariff Act of 1890, which reaffirmed their commitment to high tariffs and soft money.

By the end of 1893, the panic was over as foreign confidence rose with the Cleveland administration’s successful repeal of the Sherman Silver Purchase Act in November of that year."

 

The Panic of 1907

"While the Treasury had stimulated inflation during 1905–1907, there was nothing it could do to prevent suspensions of payment, or to alleviate "the competitive hoarding of currency" after the panic, that is, the attempt to demand cash in return for increasingly shaky bank notes and deposits."

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

i just knew this would be a

i just knew this would be a pop tech post based solely on the title

poppie try thinking instead of linking

any idiot can cut and paste and you prove it

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Try reading instead of attacking

Your obsession with attacking me instead of reading is getting old. Maybe you will learn something.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

attacking?  lol nah just

attacking?  lol

nah just attempting to stimulate you into using logic, you actually expect to teach anyone economics when you fail the basics of cause and effect?

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

I only use logic

The rest of your comment makes no sense.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

what then do you use logic for?

is the book holding your pool table level?

my post is pretty basic

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Logic is used for everything

While I don't use books to level anything. Pool tables have adjustable legs so you can level them.

Your post is pretty vague as always.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

 A History of Money and

 A History of Money and Banking in the United States: The Colonial Era to World War II (PDF) (510 pgs) (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

Excellent Link!

  

"No I have the facts"

--The resident Joe Friday 

Wow sir. It is late. I saved it off.

  510 pages. That is a beach read. I shall do my best. I will get back to you for a review.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

You're irrational if you

You're irrational if you don't want the new president to succeed - Gingrich

 

Where the hell do I begin???

Since a Ph.D. Professor of Economics is making the case for me, why not let him explain you confusion about the cause of bank panics which is always due to inflationary fractional reserve banking or government intervention. Oh wait he wrote a book on this too:

So, you SCREAM that I am an economic illiterate, yet you only pay heed to ONE economist.  He has a Ph. D. in economics, so therefore all of your critical thinking skills are going to be turned over to him.  And golly, he's written a BOOK!!!

Um, so what?

By admitting that you only pay attention to a single economist and his take on things, you show me you really don't critically think at all, and thus, this post you type is just nonsense. 

On the other hand, I have read works by several economists, and use these several economists to develop the composite picture I need to. 

Poppy, you have SO MUCH GROWING UP TO DO it is not even funny.  I suggest worrying less about my "economic illiteracy" (apparently the only barb you have considering the paucity of your creativeness of thought) and worrying much more about your intellectual and emotional maturity, which is missing in SPADES.  And that is evident all over the board.

Oh, yes, and thanks once again for showing me you cannot put together anything in your own words except for smack, smartass comments, and vomited bibs.  Now if you will excuse me, I have an economy to participate in.

P.S.  Your beloved is simply too dim a bulb, Piled Higher and Deeper or not, to understand two things about inflation: 1) It ALWAYS happens no matter what and 2) Money CONSTANTLY fluctuates in value.  If he or anyone else has THE CURE for inflation, he WILL get a Nobel for Economics guaranteed.  Simple as that.  On that point, I have 6000 years of history on my side. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

What Has Government Done to Our Money?

I've read books from all the major economic theories. Dr. Rothbard has written about 30 books.

So by critical thinking you take everyone's positions, even the ones not support by facts and logic? How very egalitarian of you.

Sorry about providing you with the quotes and facts from a real economist as my opinion would surely hold more weight.

So you don't understand inflation either? Like I said "economic illiterate". Guess what he wrote a book on that too!

What Has Government Done to Our Money? (PDF) (112 pgs) (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

"Inflation may be defined as any increase in the economy’s supply of money not consisting of an increase in the stock of the money metal. Fractional reserve banks, therefore, are inherently inflationary institutions.

Defenders of banks reply as follows: the banks are simply functioning like other businesses—they take risks. Admittedly, if all the depositors presented their claims, the banks would be bankrupt, since outstanding receipts exceed gold in the vaults.

The bank creates new money out of thin air, and does not, like everyone else, have to acquire money by producing and selling its services. In short, the bank is already and at all times bankrupt; but its bankruptcy is only revealed when customers get suspicious and precipitate "bank runs." No other business experiences a phenomenon like a "run." No other business can be plunged into bankruptcy overnight simply because its customers decide to repossess their own property. No other business creates fictitious new money, which will evaporate when truly gauged."

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Economic stupidity

Looks to me like the only economist you can name is this Dr. Rothbard.  And WOW!!! - he wrote 30 books!!!

Again, so what?  Silly boy - I hang around Ph. Ds ALL THE TIME, and while I think quite a few are brilliant, I think quite a few are full of s**t.  As for this joker, I am inclined to the latter.  Really, is it supposed to impress me that he has a Piled Higher and Deeper and wrote 30 whole books???  ROFLMAO, to use one of your responses!!!

I know what he thinks and I think he is laughably incorrect (but then, hell, I can find plenty of economists with Ph. D.s who like protectionism).  So, now it is time to hear what YOU think.

How would YOU regulate the value of the currency?

Next:

Name a civilization on earth that has had zero inflation in perpetuity. 

Next:

Without fluctuations in the value of money, where is the incentive (well, one of many) to invest money?

All of these questions are to be answered by YOU and YOU only in you OWN words.  Quote this clown all you want; I'll just ascribe that to plagiarism. 

It's kinda funny how I am the economic illiterate when I am the one here who accepts the cold hard reality that money, like ALL things, fluctuates in value, and that there is not one damn thing you can do about it.  If this Dr. Rothbard has the answer, he should send it to Oslo to claim his Nobel Prize in Economics - he'll win the next 10 at least!   

Poppy, I WISH you were economically illiterate.  Why?  Because then I couldn't fault you for your absolute failure to think critically and to work so hard at NOT thinking critically.  But you are working at hard to avoid thinking critically out of your own freewill.  So, no excuses for you. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Agreed

Excellent post that aptly describes that each person needs to take ownership of their choices and be able to respond to those choices. It is no one's job but the individual to know what is happening with his or her money.  If you're going to relinquish your accountability and responsibility to someone else you have to accept your complicit action in your own demise.

 

Jon Stewart

I must be the only one who never watches him on purpose and finds him as pompous as an Olbermann.

I don't care what he lectures anyone about, and think when he gives one he believes his lecture will be next-day and next-week headline news. 

If Stewart's show is

If Stewart's show is admittedly "comedy" then he has no business inviting people like Santelli or Cramer on for serious interviews.

He uses his "comedy" claim to say outrageous and untrue things (It's a fake news show!!  he yells to defend himself) and then wants to turn around and do serious interviews.

He is pathetic.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

He wants to makes sure

He wants to make sure you know he's doing intelligent comedy, not Larry the Cable guy comedy :)

You're irrational if you don't want the new president to succeed - Gingrich

 

nw... It is also obvious

nw...

It is also obvious you don't really listen at all to all of the comedy Larry the Cable Guy says...

One thing about the difference though...Larry keeps comedy comedy...Jon uses his show to promote his leftism.

He is a filthy swine as far as I am concerned.

You know what wasn't obvious?

Apparently, the sarcasm in my post. I don't believe in "intelligent" comedy or the sophisticated musings of the New York Post. I believe in funny or not funny.

You're irrational if you don't want the new president to succeed - Gingrich

 

I've laughed very hard at

I've laughed very hard at some of LTCG's stuff, but I can't take two hours of it like on the Blue Collar Tour.

Small doses. 

I like Larry

I like Jay Hickman, heck I like Robin Williams when he goes off the deep end - but not because its "sophisticated"  or "comedic art."

Its because its funny. That why I don't like Steve Martin or Gallagher. IMO, its just stupid. I know many here don't agree, but I think the guy on after Letterman, Craig Ferguson is probably the funniest late night host on the air. His routine on the Swiss Guard had me laughing out loud. Thats rare for a late night host.

You're irrational if you don't want the new president to succeed - Gingrich

 

How can you talk comedy

Without mentioning Bill Cosby, who is funnier then he is? BTW I saw Robin Williams live about a month ago.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Humor has so many different

Humor has so many different varieties. Sometimes I love the silliness of a Steve Martin, sometimes the story-telling ability of Bill Cosby. Scrubs is different than The Office is different than 30 Rock. I like 'em all. 

Jimmy Pardo is hilarious. Patton Oswalt, a riot.

 

You're right

What touches a cord with you, might miss someone else. Its ridiculous for anyone to tell another what they should like. But people do that ( me too). I do it more so in music than comedy, but its just as dumb.See my kids remind me of this when I say "How can you listen to that ****?"

You're irrational if you don't want the new president to succeed - Gingrich

 

Far too many comics

Far too many comics and comedic performers were gone far too soon:  John Belushi, Sam Kennison, Chris Farley, Andy Kaufman, Bill Hicks, John Candy are some that come to mind.

Jer

Jer: It does make one

Jer:
It does make one wonder...

actually

actually, he is not pathetic at all.  he is hilarious and much more intelligent and honest than many "news" shows.  He does hide behind the veil of being a comedian, but that makes it even better, as people do not expect him to actually know what he's talking about and are unprepared for the brutality of getting grilled by him.  He owned cramer and revealed cnbc for exactly what it is.  

some of the comments here place the blame on the individuals who invested without knowledge and i think that is completely fair.  i for one dont invest my money, i dont know much about the stock market and dont really want to risk it.  however, when an entire network is being deceitful thank god we have someone like stewart to rake 'em over the coals.  he busted cramer admitting to fraud!  i mean seriously, how can you not say that was good reporting?  from a comedian.  priceless.  where were the "reporters"?  why didnt they dig this up?  

I find it hilarious that when talking about rush, people on this site chuckle about his huge ego, his bombastic ways, "oh, good ol rush, he's an egomaniac and obnoxious, but thats just who he is.  this is America!  he can be that way if he wants!"  but when its jon stewart they are talking about they can't stand his ego, cant stand that he will stand up and defend something that he believes in.  i dont know, just goes to show that people will always gravitate towards what they want to hear.  

btw, if you think jon stewart is just a comedian, watch him on crossfire.  he singlehandedly got that show taken off the air.  he will now singlehandedly end cramers tv career.  2 for 2 jon, keep it up! 

OK , Devil Dog

The main point is Rush is who he says he is; A conservative commentator - he admits and makes no bones about being a partisan.

Anyone who is successful in a business based on talking has to have an ego, that goes with the territory. 

Stewart, and most of the people who listen to him, think he is a middle-of-the-road guy who blasts both sides.  He is disingenuous at best, libel and criminal at worst.

Every Daily Show is a lesson in propaganda and is an in-kind contribution to the DNC.  

He is working directly for The Democrat Party and his attack on Cramer was clearly running interference for the POTUS which I find absolutely disgraceful.

Liberals realized about 10 years ago that the only way that they can sway the court of public opinion is a non-stop campaign of false-information and demonizing the opposition, not through "serious discussion of the issues" which they always say they want.

Is it any surprise that the opinion leaders of the liberals Democrat party are ALL comedians?  Letterman, Stewart, Franken, and Maher.  All with one goal, destroy conservative ideas, principles and their standard bearers through out-of-context thoughtless clips and sketches. 

The fact that anyone takes this guy (Stewart) seriously is in itself a joke.  If you have any doubt, go to youtube and find the interview he did with Tony Blair.  Blair wiped the floor with the guy and proved he was nothing but a blow-hard with talk-points and no real knowledge of political history.

 Aside from that, anyone who comes on that show with a negative opinion of liberals and their policies gets the rough treatement while those who are willing to be laughed at or share his opinion are treated like long-lost friends.

 

"All with one goal, destroy

"All with one goal, destroy conservative ideas, principles and their standard bearers through out-of-context thoughtless clips and sketches."

You've got to be kidding me. These guys are not working in cahoots with each other. Stewart does a comedy show, that sometimes ventures into the more serious stuff. You don't seem to care when he has an army ranger on to talk about his book and talks seriously about it. He does not come on every night and say "Hi! My show is neutral! Here we go!" 

haha

first, jon stewart is very clear about who he is and what he believes in.  as is rush.  absolutely.  as many people have pointed out on this site, we in america have something called free speech.  if stewart has a point of view and a tv show then he can make fun of whomever he chooses.  i would say easy 3 to 1 conservatives over liberals, but that is who john is.  he certainly doesnt claim to be non-partisan.  

as far as liberal 'opinion leaders' being comedians, well, maybe liberals just cant bring themselves to take all this BS very seriously.  i for one enjoy a good laugh.  and by the way people here have also characterized rush as 'very funny'.  hannity, not so much, though i do get a good belly laugh out of him every once in a while.  malkin is hilarious, i mean seriously, a phillipina immigrant whos anti immigration, now thats comedy.  the crazy blonde lady has made a whole career out of saying ridiculous incendiary statements that are usually hilarious in their siliness.  jon has made a career out of roasting them.  thats comedy folks.  and, as a sidenote, why are conservative comedians (those who try to be funny i mean, not the ones who dont realize it) so Unfunny?  i saw some thing where conservatives tried to do a daily show rip off, but with the opposite spin and it was absolutely awful.  it bombed miserably...

i dont have to go to youtube to watch that clip because i saw it when it was aired.  very good interview.  tony blair Should be able to wipe the floor with jon stewart, stewart is a COMEDIAN.  the leader of a country, someone who has devoted his entire life to understanding the intricacies of international politics, economics, debate etc would be a true embarrassment if he  couldnt handle jon stewart (anyone want to guess what would happen if the shrub tried to debate stewart?  talk about wiping the floor, it would be a massacre and every one of you know it).  

anyway, jon stewart is hilarious and has the balls to stand up and say exactly what he believes.  if your talking about party shills i think there are plenty for both sides, it just depends on what you want to listen to.  

Democratic Leader

    It seems like Stewart aka Leibowitz is the head of the democratic party , because if you are a liberal and talk bad about the Chosen One you must pay for your sins

Many good points made...

After reading the comments, I find many really good points.

The problem I see with Stewart's show is the fact that there are some who consider what he has to say on his show as "the news". Sure there maybe a news value involved, but it is not a news show. Unfortunatly the younger generation sees  his show as the news.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts Stewart would not have gone on the attack, if Cramer had not said 'bad things' about the 'O'ne...

"The People" have been, and will continue to be very well unimformed, by shows like Stewart's.

Does that make the people stupid?........well, maybe, yeah!... It sure seems they are, look what they have done.... 

 

 

A man should be upright, not be kept upright - Marcus Aurelius

what?

what have the "people" done?  

~Devil Dog

Lopes into the yard, marks a bush and waits for the reaction.

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

chose life 3x

looks around hoping someone will present her with a medal for her completely irrelevant story line.  alas, the crowd has grown tired of her schtick and begins hurling rotten fruit her way.  "hissss"  is the only sound she can hear.  her eyes well up with tears and she retreats back into her RV in shame.  

 

~Devil Dog

Flattened his ears, raised his hackles and began a sing-song whine of empty boasts and promises.

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

chose life 3x

wonders aloud why her life is so miserable.  why does no one listen?  why does noone praise her ongoing literary diatribe?  alas, along with all those who have nothing to say she is fated to be ignored and marginalized.  As her husband pees off the back porch and her 3 children scamper half naked through the un-mown yard, she shoves another bon bon into her mouth.  The American dream continues.

~Yipped the three and a half pound bundle

Of unbridled liberal fury.

Don't worry folks, he'll be back after he humps his Obama doll and chants "Yes we can!" ten thousand times.

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

I actually think it's funny

I actually think it's funny on how easily Stewart fits into his roll as Obami's heel hound. 

Stewart is an unfunny, worthless, moron

Gee, do I hide my feelings?
Happily, his miniscule ratings reflect his popularity amongst his few leftie wingnut viewers.

Jonny-boy, the trouble ISNT CNBC and Cramer.  It's the lying CEO's and their politico buddies.  It's like ripping Bush for 911, when Clinton had the clear chances to kill Bin Laden.  Stewart types ARE frauds for attacking the lightweight players in this epic mess.  Cramer makes 10 stock calls a day, how hard is it to find a plethora of poor calls?  Our elected officials.......they simply enabled and lied year after year on the SAME trillion dollar calls:  Fannie and Freddie. 

Where is the blue-ribbon bipartisan government panel on this economic meltdown?  Nowhere, because our crooked politicians like Frank, Pelosi, Dodd, and Waters would look 50X times worse than Cramer, and their buddies like Raines and Fannie/Freddie crew would join Madoff in jail.  Sadly, now they are players in the new goverment!   WooHoo!
There are plenty of outrageous clips on 2004-5 Fannie hearings, or later "Fannie is solvent" clips for Stewart to use.  Indeed, there could be a whole hour show of clips on Barney Frank.  He simply choses not to use them against his political friends.
Cramer is a smokescreen to hide the true crooks in government.

ratings

you can see from my post below that I'm no fan, but accorcing to Pew Reseach in a 2007 in-depth look at the show, his ratings are very good when put up against other real news shows. The problem is that they also found that young adults get all their news from his show, his fake news show. Jon admitted he purposely doesn't report unfunny items because... it's not funny.

 It only gives proof to the idea that Obama got elected by those that had no idea of who he really is. You'd almost never find an Obama voter that has ever seen FoxNews. However they always will tell you their opinion about them.

Sorry, you provide no ratings in your comment

I dont think Stewart, in prime time, even regularly hits 2 mil, which would be maybe 40% of what a low rating news show, like Couric, gets in her ,out of prime time, slot.
But, if you got the numbers, let's see them.
And if he is under 2 mil, he is then far behind even an Oreilly, which: who gets far far more media adoration:  O'man or Stewart.
The media likes to create the impression Stewart matters, alas American idol draws 10 fold the audience for a show.......

jondel -- you're correct. I

jondel -- you're correct. I remember a similar thread come up last year and I got the figures ---see above.

I was pleasantly surprised at how low his audience is at 1.4 million. And that was during the Presidential campaign. Though you would never guess from the amount of press he gets.

Obama Amends The Constitution
Check out the poster @ Hollycrud checker-outers

Jack: Thanks for the data

I thought he had miniscule ratings like Obie.
It is only the far leftie wingnuts who can take an Obie or Stewart on a regular basis.
Yet, the media will always portray these clowns as some sort of populists.   That's why the MSM is  going out of business.....

I voted for Obama and I

I voted for Obama and I watch Fox News.  So there.  You know, both parties suck pretty bad actually.  It's just funny to me that the people on Fox News will never admit a Republican did anything bad, UNLESS said Republican sides with a Democrat on an issue.  Then it's all over.

The last ratings I

The last ratings I checked  for The Lamey Show (2008) -- and boy is it UNFUNNY... showed an average of about 1.4 million audience.

Now that IS lame. Just as a comparison O'Reilly gets about 4 million including the rerun.

Obama Amends The Constitution
Check out the poster @ Hollycrud checker-outers

mmm

this strange attitude that people who voted for obama are underinformed, ignorant of the 'truth' (as you see it) etc...is so bizarre.  the fact is, a majority of americans dont agree with the philosophies of the right at this moment in time.  that will surely switch over time, as it always does, and you can return to puffing your chest out and strutting around the coop telling everyone how right you were.  i know many democrats and many republicans, ( i own a bar and we accept both) and all seem to be rather aware of politics and what goes on in the world.  the difference is one of personal philosophy, and interpretation of what they read, see and hear.  if your only argument is that you are right and anyone who disagrees with you is obviously too ignorant (or a commie socialiast libtard who is actively trying to destroy the America that You Love So Much) to even argue with, well, then that is your loss.  

~Devil Dog

Grew bolder. Snarling and drooling, he tried to intimidate the Cobra basking in the grass. Alas, he forgot to remove his pretty pink Obama bow before he went trolling.

Stop laughing everyone...that's not nice...

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

The March of the Wishy Washy

dr_wishy_washy strikes again, I see.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

haahhahahahahahaha

you 2 are funny.  whats so wishy washy about having an opinion?  and chooselife, if you collect all your little essays maybe you can get them published and go on the daily show and get owned by stewart.  your very cute with your lack of absolutely anything to say whatsoever at any time.  is that the best you got?  lame.  ive got drunks who work 10 hour days in the beating sun knee deep in mud who can make an argument more interesting than you.  

~Devil Dog

ive got drunks who work 10 hour days in the beating sun knee deep in mud

Tells us all about his littermates.

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

Typing Tips for "The Dog"

I will grant you that this is a somewhat casual place at times, nevertheless, is it necessary to provoke "The Dog" into responses? :)

The run-on, un-punctuated, un-capitalized butchering of the English languge MUST STOP!!!  I am bleeding out of my eyes! STOP THE INSANITY!!! It hurts, it hurts, make it stop please!

Paragraphs, D*MN YOU!!!  My kingdom for a paragraph! My gawd, where the H*LL are the paragraphs?  Is there paragraph rationing?  Are paragraphs "so last week?"  Do you think "The Dog" is a paragraph bigot  Have they banned paragraphs?

When they outlaw paragraphs, only outlaws will have paragraphs!

Or tell "The Dog" to not let their REAL dog do the typing.

***We here at my terminal would like to say that no offense is meant to any dogs out there, past, present or future who may find it in their heart and mind to post here.  Furthermore, we respect and admire all dogs who would aspire to literary greatness and do not hold their public education against them.***

CL3X, I blame you.  Stop messing with "The Dog". ;)

No attack on Free Speech.  Just seems that "free" has new meaning, because I wouldn't pay for it if it was all like those "Dog" posts.

I am not attacking the content, I am trying to find the content.

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

paragraphs?

well they're not hiding in your profile    ;^ )

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Succor and Admonish

ZING!

***We here at my terminal do not give sanctuary to any snivelling paragraphs in our profile.***

We do, however, give the paragraphs a false sense of Hope and Change by allowing them when we post.

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

;^ )  

;^ )

 

Power to the Paragraphs!

In a great moment of egalitarianism, the cruel injustice of paragraph discrimination in my profile has ended.  We have ushered in an era of hope and change for the descendants of indentation.

(Sounds of paragraphs rejoicing)

Unfortunately, the plight of poor unfortunate paragraphs continues to go unnoticed at other terminals.  Where is the justice!

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

I wish...

 I wish I knew what the hell your opinions were other than "come on guys, let's all be happly little Socialists together!!!  Please?"  Other than that, you write endlessly and in the end say next to nothing. 

If you were proud of your Leftism I would have no grounds to call you "wishy-washy". 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

paragrafs suk

so overrated.  

im not a socialist.  wouldnt want us all to be "happly(?) little socialist together."  would however want us all to be happy together, but that doesnt seem possible with you bunch of dittoheads.  anyways, as usual, i am right and you are wrong.  nice arguing with you.  

 

~I am right and you are wrong!

Devil Dog barked. He repeated it over and over again as he chased his tail, flatulating uncontrollably. Open a window, folks.

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

Spelling, Gammar, etc.

These must also be overrated.

As also must be a capable communication.  Perhaps I will let my daughter's hamster start posting, too.

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

For dr_wishy_washy

 would however want us all to be happy together, but that doesnt seem possible with you bunch of dittoheads.  So, if you are NOT a Socialist, you are at the least very linguine-spined, and very wishy washy.  Does that make you feel morally superior to the rest of us "dittoheads"? 

Interesting how you are not a Socialist, or a Leftist, but you use the term "dittohead" as a pejorative, no?

I know, I know: in your happy world, we would all just SHUT UP, ROLL OVER, and DIE, and just let His Majesty The Shahinshah do EVERYTHING HE WANTS TO DO.  And then we'll ALL learn to be OH SO HAPPY together under His blessed reign!!!

Well, allow me to drive the wrecking ball of reality into that mirage.  This is a representative democracy.  Which means that His Majesty The Shahinshah and His minions in Congress MUST deal with and accept political opposition to their ideas.  Which means people rerserve the right to oppose their ideas and let it be known that they are none too happy about said ideas. 

If this deep concept makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you can shove off these shores and move off someplace where everyone is very happy together living under a government that no one wants to oppose, or perhaps no one is ALLOWED to oppose. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

the problem

The problem is that young adults watch his show to get their news, no matter how many times he says its fake. Pew Research found this when they surveyed and watched this show for all of 2007. Comedy (news) bits were skewed against Republicans by 3-1.

 I watch for the first time last night. I was surprised that this is even called comedy. SNL news can be funny but Jon wasn't. I think they should just let him swear and then see what people think of him. He knows he's going to be bleeped so he keeps swearing up a storm.

 I will admit I laughed once: He had a story about canned apricots having something like 2% of non-apricot particles in it, and then it showed him eating apricots from a can.

 

Butt Boy

Stewart is just another smart aleck Obama Butt Boy; Nothing more and nothing less.

The world gains nothing from his foolish existence and will be at no loss after him. Just like that worthless foreskin of a Bill Maher.

You are correct.  I have

You are correct. 

I have seen surveys where I was stunned at the number of (mostly young) people who rely on Stewart for their daily dose of "news."

And people like Cramer (and even Presidential candidates!) who give him an aura of respectability by going on his show to be interviewed should be ashamed

And they deserve what they get.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

Stewart could be funny

His problem as is the rest of the entertainment community is that they are in the tank for Odumbo and are so politically left that they are unable to make fun of him.  It is killing their "sense" of humor.

Additionally, they took the comedic wood to Bush so much (do any of you remember the short lived show on Comedy Central called, "That's My Bush!" - a horrible and more than partisan, blatant bash on Bush) that in their minds believe that NOW is the time to defend our leader (especially since he's a socialist, like us) and come together.

By the way, how many Republicans did any of you read about complaining about that show (That's My Bush!)??  Anyone - Anyone??  Just like I thought.  Those pussies at Comedy Central and in the MSM can throw stones all day and Republicans take it, but they (the left) are such wimps, that the minute their leader comes under the slightest of scrutiny, they cry foul!!!

If it ever comes down to a street fight, I just might feel sorry for them.

God made man, but he used a monkey to do it  -- DEVO

the reason i don't watch stewart's show

is because i prefer to get my news from a news program, not a comedy act.

and he's not funny.

swing hard in case you hit it.

If people follow all of Cramer's picks...

they will lose some money.

 

If they follow all of Stewart's arguments....

 

 they will lose their sanity.

Another actor

Folks, we are forgetting that Stewart is an actor, and a grade-D actor at that. He reads lines written by a large staff of comedy writers, obviously liberals. Is John Stewart funny? Who knows? He would be as lost without his teleprompter as Obammy is.

And since many are talking about the history of our financial problem, I came across this white paper last night that is quite good: Financial Crisis White Paper: http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2009/03/financial-services-white-paper.html

perfect

I couldn't have put that any better. I've been thinking that for years now. I can't take Jon Stewart, he's such a pompous asshole to people that don't toe the liberal party line.

Someone on Don Imus's show this morning said that Cramer should have walked out and punched Jon in the face.

Stewart called Cramer out

Stewart called Cramer out for his show being misleading. I don't see anything wrong with that. 

And Stewart has actually poked fun at Obama. He's done a number of things that made fun of him. 

balboa

Funny how this didnt happen till Cramer critized Obama.Steward then went on the offensive to protect the Dear Leader.

Baloney.

Baloney.

balboa

Makes good sandwiches bal but doesnt change the fact Steward is a stooge for the dnc and his daddy Obama.He is with the msm Obama bootlickers makeing sure to attack any who question their cheif source of nourishment.Obama's shoe dye and regions of the body.

More nonsense, well99.

More nonsense, well99. Cramer and CNBC became news when they criticized Obama. That's when they landed on Stewart's radar; because they were news. 

Wow balboa

Funny how Steward showed all those clips of Cramer prior to his statements on Obama. Gee he wasn’t news then? He wasn’t news when he was criticizing Bush? Gee guess he was only news when he was critical of the Chosen One?Since I saw that part of the Daly show dont try telling me he was trying to be funny.He has been a hypocrit in my book since his attack on Crossfire.I could care less about the show.It was his double standards.He works as a shill for the Dems and that is ok but he had got on those at Crossfire for the same thing he does.

1. He wasn't news then

1. He wasn't news then because he hadn't made statements about Obama.

2. No one from CNBC canceled an appearance on The Daily Show during the Bush administration as far as I know. 

3. He was mocking, very strongly, CNBC. Yes, that's trying to be funny.

4. Stewart has never claimed to be anything but a comedy show, as opposed to Crossfire which claimed to be a purposeful give and take of ideas and was really just a lot of yapping. 

balboa

I watched him with Cramer and he wasnt trying to be funny.All he did was lecture Cramer while Cramer kowtowed to him.The only difference between Steward and say Carvelle is that Steward thinks he is funny.It is suppose to be a comedy show but Steward is just shilling for the Dems.Ooohh he makes funny faces...wow.Jon Steward is a hypocrit who would probably injure his neck if Obama made a sharp turn.

Pretty lame defense.

Why not let go?   You argue some false point, i.e that the sky is green.
Stew-tard is a Dem activist.  He reacts to people attacking his beloved party/politicians.  There is no other explanation for his savaging Cramer  in March rather than Nov.  Why is it so hard to simply admit the obvious?  Even worse, why do people like you allow him to hide under, "we're a comedy show," rather than simply admit he is viciously partisan ala Letterman and Maher.
No wonder politicians cant balance a budget, when their constituency is both blind and delusional.  I suppose that is why a 480 billion deficit in a Bush year was "immoral," while a 2 trillion dollar deficit in Obamaland is fine.   The voters like balboa are delusional......

You think it's a false

You think it's a false point. I don't.

Stewart is obviously left-leaning. He's a Democrat. He was very serious during the discussion with Cramer. I have seen him serious in other conversations that didn't involve confrontation. I know that there's a fuzzy line between comedy and then suddenly being serious, but I don't think it's a problem. If a conservative had the same show, I'd think the same. 

I have seen him *** serious

I have seen him *** serious in other conversations that didn't involve confrontation.

Bal, insert verb at ***, sincerely the grammer nazi (warning profane language)

 

Shakespeare is pretentious crap  ---- poptech

balboa

It is very simple.He uses his show for pushing his political agenda.Once in a great while he will throw a tidbit out where he says something against the left.That is so he can say look at me I make fun of both sides.That may fool some people.I dont know if the DNC pays him but they should.There are people who believe his edited and revise history.If he was so hot and bothered about Cramer and the market why is it hasnt nailed Franks,Dodd,Waters or Meeks for their interference with the regulating of morgages.Oh my bad.They are the left. 

This is such a great comment well99

I have TIVO'ed Mad Money for a long time.
Cramer WAS singing Obama's praises postelection, and ripping W all thru November.  Cramer was especially brutal on the latter.
Santelli was also hard on Bush on times in Nov.

Isnt it delicious that Stewart ONLY waited till the Messiah was under attack to spew his vomitus in the public arena.
If Cramer has half a brain, he should go back to Nov and pull some of this vidclips.  He can have some real fun at Stew-tard's
expense.....

jondel

You hit it right on the head.Jon Steward "Only" did when the Dear Leader was critized.You dont see Jon Steward attacking Franks,Dodds,Meeks,Waters or others for stopping regulation.Oh no way.Even though they were responsable he wont attack them because he is a good Dem flunkie.Here Steward.Sit,roll over.Good lap dog. 

No, your first comment was pitch perfect

and I salute you!
I was only reacting to how perfect your first comment was:
It was a single sentence, yet the best and most pithy!
comment on this board. 

This is what happens when Liberals attack other liberals

The attacked liberal folds like a tent. 

Cramer acted like a lapdog.  He shouldn't have.  He doesn't have to answer to Stewart....he has to answer to his listeners.

Although I doubt it will get read, I wrote to Jim Cramer today.  (I like his show and I think he has more experience making money in the markets than just about anyone who talks about them.)

Hey Jim, There is one very important issue that was not addressed by Jon Stewart in your interview with him last night. Every one of his arguments are based on the premise that the audience is too stupid to understand the difference between entertainment, advice, and personal experience.  We know the market is very difficult to predict, but with your insight, we can make our own decisions AND be informed and entertained by you at the same time. As a member of your audience, I encourage you to reject his criticism and keep doing what you do for investors each day. Thank you, Jim.

 

Is Cramer's show

Is Cramer's show entertainment or advice?

you tell me, balboa

The first two minutes of the show states the intent of the show.   Watch it yourself.

 

"Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance."

Thanks for not helping in

Thanks for not helping in any way.

Au contraire, balboa

I AM helping you.  I am helping you to understand that the best way to develop an informed opinion about someone or something is to go directly to the source.  The fact that you asked the question tells me mountains about how you acquire your information currently. 

Either you are intellectually lazy or you are making a veiled attempt to bait me into an argument.  The first issue can be addressed by a change in attitude and action.  The second issue cannot be addressed because one cannot have a honest debate with someone who chooses to behave dishonestly. 

I hope its the first, because I don't have much respect for those who build their biases toward people based on false motives and premises.  

 

"Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance."

No, you're not. You're

No, you're not. You're avoiding the question. I don't have an episode of Mad Money handy right now, so I can't really answer my own question. I assume it's mostly advice in nature, since it's on CNBC. But instead of waiting until the show comes on tonight to watch it, I thought I'd help further the conversation by asking my question.

You decided to be unhelpful. 

Biz

It's a business show, but Cramer does...well, get a little crazy on there.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

If you never watched the show...

....then why are you defending Jon Stewart?  You have no idea whether his "serious" interview contained even a grain of truth.  I've seen at least two other comments in this thread by you timestamped before Cramer's show tonight.

Which reminds me....did you watch the show tonight?  Do you now know the purpose of the show?  If I could take a wild guess, I would guess that you didn't watch it...because that's not what you're about.  You're curiosity stated earlier in the thread is disingenous. 

 

Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance.

Blah blah blah blah. My

Blah blah blah blah.

My point is that the show gives financial advice that CNBC promotes as being authoritative. That's what Stewart was saying. 

Dead wrong

My point is that the show gives financial advice that CNBC promotes as being authoritative. That's what Stewart was saying.  And your point, as well as that of Mr. Stewart, is dead wrong.  Take Timothe's advice and watch Mad Money yourself.  While doing so, watch/listen for a little warning blub which is called, in the broadcast industry, a disclaimer. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

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Yes, I know, there's a

Yes, I know, there's a disclaimer...while people call in and ask for advice, and Cramer gives it to them. 

I'm not referring to the disclaimer....

When Cramer introduces himself, he tells the viewer exactly what he is trying to accomplish with his show. 

But I've proven my point.  Balboa asks questions to agitate, not because he is seeking to be better informed. 

Some posters here like to spar with those who don't care to debate ideas honestly, but I'm not one of them.  If I wanted to spend my time talking to dishonest people, I'd volunteer to serve food at the local county jail. 

 

 

Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance.

If you never watched the show...

double post 

 

Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance.

Someone should very publicly take Stewart to task

If John Stewart is so virtuous, why did he wait until Mr. Cramer attacked Obama to protect us all from evil Jim Cramer?

Stewart would not have said anything about Cramer, had Cramer not said anything about Obama.

It's time for someone to start slicing and dicing everything Stewart has ever said and done in order to make a total ass out of him. He needs to get kicked off of his high horse.

Jon never said he was

Jon never said he was virtuous. This whole thing started when someone else from MSNBC canceled an appearance on The Daily Show, and Jon took potshots at the network, and Cramer responded.

Don't catch the show much, do ya?

John Stewart's entire act is that he is some giant arbiter of virtue who puts all the evil people in their place. Well, he didn't find Cramer and CNBC evil until they went after Obama and now this basic truth is gaining traction as seen in the following:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/13/white-house-spokesman-on-stewart-vs-cramer-i-enjoyed-it-thoroughly/

"John Stewart's entire act

"John Stewart's entire act is that he is some giant arbiter of virtue who puts all the evil people in their place."

Wrong. His entire act is making fun of people in politics and the media.

"he didn't find Cramer and CNBC evil until they went after Obama and now this basic truth is gaining traction as seen in the following"

Cramer became a bigger news item when they made the comments about Obama. That's what made it worthy for Stewart to go after him. 

Stewarts whole act, balboa is...

Making fun and taking potshots at Conservative ideas and principles and going after liberals who either fall off the reservation and go native or don't find dirty like "the republicans do".

After the 2004 election it was reported Stewie stewed and was depressed and confused that despite his and the presses attempts to "prove" that Bush was unfit for office the dumb people voted him and republican back in office.  The world was in for a terrible time.

So what did he do?  For weeks after that most of his vitriol and "comedy" was directed at chiding Democrats for supposedly "Folding" and not "fighting back" against the mythical "republican attack machine"  

Whenever I watch prominent conservatives on his show he always treats them contemptuously while liberals or moderate conservatives he treats as best friends.

The lasting impression that younger viewers get is that the political system is corrupt but mostly on the conservative republican side. 

 

So the Republican attack

So the Republican attack machine is a myth, but the liberal one isn't? Interesting.

Stewart has had TONS of respectable give-and-take conversations with many conservatives. He has also skewered people like Chris Matthews.

Ok Bal

No one claims there is a "Liberal attack machine", republican do not use it as a plank in their campaign platform and, at least on the politician side of things I am not familiar with too many Republican politicians who lament about the "liberal attack machine", and have NEVER heard the media talk about it.

Yes, there are "attack machines" in BOTH political parties and that is part of a political campaign and always has been.  You prop up your arguments in a debate partially by tearing your opponents down.

However, the Democrats have made a large part of their palform complaining, rueing and warning the public at large at any opportunity to watch out for the "republican attack machine" and the media as has been generously documented on this site, USE THAT PHRASE verbatim despite never acknowledging the other side.

So what Coulter did was research the topic and discovered what many hear already know.  Republican HAVE to bring up and make commercial on negatives of their opponents because the media rarely does so, while the media clearly carries the Democrats water in gleefully reporting any and every incident of "Republican Corruption".

Chris Matthews does a poor job of being a representative of the left, so he must be skewered.  The far left hates Chris Matthews almost as much as they hate Alan Colmes.  

He does have "give-and-take" conversation with conservatives but it's  usually with the ones that are willing to moderate their message for his show, like Bill O'Reilly who has attacked Bush on his show to get applause or Bill Kristol who is willing to self-depricate.

Anyone who goes on his show to make a serious argument for conservatism either gets shouted down, made fun of and/or treated as a hostile witness. 

As I said Stewie does his bomb throwing disguised as "comedy".   

I have seen Stewart argue

I have seen Stewart argue with many, many conservatives. I've never seen anyone shouted down. I've seen him make fun of some. Everyone I've seen has been given an ample opportunity to state their point, make rebuttals, etc.

Does he lean left? Absolutely. But I think he treats guests fairly. 

My point Balboa

Is if you watch the show regularly, or even sporadically like I do you'll see what I mean.

It's like most liberal media interviewers.

Stewart clearly treats liberal, like-minded guests like a good friend and family member and is not so nice and friendly to conservatives.

Obviously, he's not Bill O'Reilly, BORs stock and trade is yellling at people he believes have acted poorly or attempt to evade questions on his show.  I don't think you'll find many on this site that have a favorable view of him.

Stewart doesn't shout people down but he will philibuster and shut out certain people and not let them finish points if he disagrees with them.  And he is expert at a typical liberal debating tactic which, when you are confronted with a valid, irrefutable point, change the subject to something you think you can win with. 

But it's clear that you have a similar point of view to his, so you see things as being more fair than I do. 

Good evening Bal

Here are three names: Carville, Matthews, and Olberman.

Give me three republicans.

 Jesus Loves You

yeah

thank god that lasting impression is being put into younger viewers minds, it's true.  the truth may hurt, but it's still true.

~Devil Dog

Yelped "the truth may hurt, but it's still true" as he scooted his tush along the floor, trying in vain to relieve the itch that consumes him. 

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

really?

and it's just an odd coindience that his "act" only seems to target people who don't hold Jon's political opinions?

 Ever watch him when he has a conservative or libertarian guest on? At worst he's snarky and rude to them, at best he's passive aggressive.

The worst interview I ever saw was when Bernie Goldberg was on a few years ago promoting his book '101 People Who Are Screwing Up The World' and poor ol' Jon was in a snit because Bernie didn't have BushHitlerCheney as one of the top offenders. Bernie should've told him to fuck off and deal with it.

Well that was a stupid book.

Well that was a stupid book.

Wow balboa

you really have a way of making good debate points. Did you even read the book or just quicklyflip through it like Jon did just looking for people he doesn't agree with to be slammed only to be disappointed?

I flipped through it so as

I flipped through it so as to make as rash a judgement as possible. 

I think he had a few really good points in there, some funny, but overall it was stupid, IMO. Sounded like an old man chasing kids out of his yard.

Bal,

What on earth do you have against old men protecting their property??? You constantly post about it. ???

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Yes, that's it. I have a

Yes, that's it. I have a real problem with senior citizens protecting their property. Really tweaks my beak.

my point too jnoble

I saw the Goldberg interview too.

Most liberals hate Goldberg because he is a credible source for proof of a liberal bias in the MSM.  Having actually worked at CBS for years, even directly under Dan Rather.   He first book, Bias, gives hard examples of behind the scenes commentary and actions by Dan Rather and others.

The left has no one like him in the realm of bias.  Alterman and Brock and others merely offer lame anecdotal evidence based on numbers and polls.

Liberals must refute the notion of liberal bias in the media because if they didn't the left would never win an election.  

Bernie Goldberg

Well, count me as one of the minority of liberals who do not hate Bernie.  I have seen him countless times on BOR, and consider his media criticizms, unlike O'Reilly's, to be well-reasoned and insightful.

With respect to your observation the left has no one like him in the realm of bias, I think it is correct if you are limiting the subject matter to the major networks and a large portion of the print media.  Otherwise, there are a number of outlets which provide Alterman, Brock, and others ample material.

One caveat about Goldberg and his 101 People Screwing etc. book.  I flipped through it also, but very slowly while standing in the book store until my legs started cramping.  Knowing Bernie's politics, I assumed most would be liberals, but not to the extent he described.  The numbers turned out to be something like 100 Democrats and Michael Savage.  [Slight exaggeration...I think there were three Republicans.]  Like bal said:  Stupid book.

Jer

I don't hate Bernie. I

I don't hate Bernie. I really liked some of the stories he's done on "Real Sports" on HBO.  

Jer

 "I have seen him countless times on BOR, and consider his media criticizms, unlike O'Reilly's, to be well-reasoned and insightful."

I agree with you there.I use to like it when him and Jane were on BOR.BOR should of let Jane get something in edgewise,but that is BOR being BOR.Anyhow his book on the Slobbering MSM looks interesting even though it is so obvious most already know it. 

well99... Were you

well99...

Were you watching the night during the Jane and Bernie segment when Jane was mildly disagreeing with BOR, and he told her to "shut up, madam!", and then cut her microphone? Even for O'Reilly, that was pretty shocking.

Jer

Jer

No I missed that.It doesnt surprise me.BOR is in love with the sound of his own voice.I dont know why Jane would even bother coming to the show.BOR would constantly cut her off.I was screaming at the TV.If someone goes off topic and starts fillibustering I can understand it.Jane never did that.I didnt always agree with her but she brought relevant points to the discussion.

Bal, I realize you are NB's

Bal, I realize you are NB's resident Jon Stewart water-carrier. I actually watched part of his rather unwatchable show yesterday. He pointed out that the pork and earmarks in the $410billion speding bill was not big deal. After all, the earmarks only account for 2% of the bill, so whats the big deal, folks?

He made fun of the earmarks to animals, but in a bi-partisan way. But he take time ouut to skewer a republican (lindsay graham) who has pork in it, but fails to note not even one democrat. of course, at the end of the piece, he does mention Obama's speaking of "nop earmarks" after signing the bill, but did he follow with his usual facial contortions, mock surprise, or hamming to the audience? of course not. he went right to a commercial. too chicken shit or too much of an idealogue to make fun of a liberal.

Rog, I think he's one of the

Rog, I think he's one of the few comedians who has actually made fun of Obama.  

I question the timing.....

I question the timing.....

Outrageous

Why did Cramer agree to go on Jon Stewart's show and play "kick me"?

Lynn... Just another 15

Lynn... Just another 15 Minutes of Fame for Cramer as far as I am concerned...he was jealous of Santelli's attention...hence...all of this msm crap that nobody in the real world should care about one way or the other in our real lives with all that is going on around us.

Just my opinion.

I'm past tired of it all/

Stewart is jealous of Cramer

. . . because Cramer is funnier than him.

I think Little Stewie's temper tantrum is more than just trying to protect his great hero Obama.  I suspect that Stewie lost big in the recent meltdown. 

Maybe he invested with Madoff? 

Jon Stewart is an idiot who

Jon Stewart is an idiot who can't debate.  He's a hack.

I'd LOVE to see him in a one on one debate...

..with Mark Levin and without his sheep-like studio audience.

Mark would totally and completely destroy Jon on any political topic within five minutes.

 And after that, since he has such thin skin and can't take what he normally dishes out, Jon would have to save face and run out of context clips of Mark or whoever bested him for the next three nights.

check out this jnoble

Go to youtube and search for Daily Show and Tony Blair.

It's the clearest example I have ever seen of how stupid Stewart really is compared to how smart he thinks he is.

He tried going toe-to-toe with Tony Blair on foreign policy, the Iraq War and international relations armed with Democrat Talking points.

One by one, Blair politely shoots them down with Stewart making a comment, then looking at the audience like "I've got him on this one" then Blair comes back with a comment proving the Stewart didn't know what he was talking about.

Blair also showed incredible class sticking up for Bush and refuting allot of the media and Democrat talking points on Bush's supposed negative personal qualities. 

hm

two liberals arguing..

not sure why this is a bad thing?

kata.. LOL...it's

kata..

LOL...it's not.

I don't know why we are giving either of them the time of day for that matter.

The problem with Jim Cramer is...

he is a Liberal Democrat.  When he says something that is "right", he does not have the "core principles" to defend himself, instead he melts into a slobbering pile of mush.  Jim, we are disappointed, but not surprised.  I always liked Kudlow better anyway.  Are the Dimocrats going to start a "I apologize Letter" from Cramer to Obama like they did with Steele to Rush?  I think not.  Jim Webster

Taking aim at the Lame Stewart

So the Lamey Show's Jon Stewart and his 100 writers goes after a rather silly CNBC guy for lame stock picks watched by an audience smaller than the people in my bathroom.

Well let's look at Stewart's TWO YEAR, DAY IN DAY OUT STOCK PICK...

Barack Obama.

Mmm, putting on stoopid unfunny Stewart face...

Yes... yes Jon... you've spent the past two years pushing your failed stock pick Obama. Sucking up, defending, carrying his urine, attacking conservatives.

So when somebody in the televised media has the affrontary to "go after" YOUR stock pick... well then that cannot be allowed to stand, can it... Mr Eff You?

Isn't THAT the real reason for your week long assault on a fairly UNKNOWN CNBC guy, who no doubt runs a disclaimer at the end of his show about all opinions being his alone. And donh't buy stock without independent advice from an expert

And who in their right minds buys stock on the advice on a guy on a TV show?

Apart from all the Loony Obamatoons who invested in a guy who redines cool dumb down, of course.

Thanks Obama -- now DUMB IS THE NEW SMART. And everyone has to suffer for that piss-poor pick.

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Jackson, quiz time,

Jackson, quiz time, bro:

Who is the bigger dumbass?

A. The guy who would take stock advice from a guy on cable tv.

B. The guy who would get his news from a crappy cable comedy show.

C. This guy. That's not you, Jackson, is it? :)

 

Ha ha shrubbster -- my big

Ha ha shrubbster -- my big secret is out.

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