Last week, the Bush administration released a report warning of the potential dangers of global warming, except there wasn't anything new in it. However, the timing of the release was seen as an act done so begrudgingly - since the Bush administration has previously resisted efforts to propagate climate change alarmism.
"For the first time, the Bush administration is conceding what most scientists have said for years - that global warming is having an impact on just about every aspect of the way we live," ABC "World News" anchor Charles Gibson said on May 29. "The government report was mandated by an act of Congress, but the White House has fought its release since 2004 and released it now only because a federal judge ordered it."
The Associated Press admitted the report had no new science in it, but they quoted Rick Piltz, director of Climate Science Watch, whose organization advances global warming activism.
"It's [the release] totally begrudging," Piltz told the AP on May 29. "It's important the government go on record honestly acknowledging this stuff."
However, the administration's move wasn't a concession to global warming alarmism portrayed in news reports. According to a White House spokeswoman, the timing of the release of the report was simply a "magnanimous" act.
"Prior to the lawsuit, the Administration's plan was to meet the statute's requirements for climate science information by delivering a series of topical reports," Kristin Scuderi, a spokeswoman for the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy, told the Business & Media Institute on June 2. "Recognizing that not everyone wants to read multiple reports, and to remove any doubt over the Administration's intent to fully comply with the law, we decided to also prepare a single, integrated report. In short, we did not want a legal controversy to continue to detract from the substantive science."
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oops..... wrong subject
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:27 ET by Captain Repusoops..... wrong subject
Magnanimous George
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:28 ET by Agrarian-DecentralistMr. Poor assures us that release of the report was not a concession to what he chooses to call "global warming alarmism" (and what most of us in the reality-based community call "science.") One hopes it was actually a concession to the president's responsibility to abide by the law---something we get all too seldom from this White House.
(and what most of us in
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:34 ET by FoolicanWho's this "us"? And where is this "reality-based community"? Malibu? What are the standards for this science? How can they explain temperatures trailing CO2 emissions as opposed to CO2 emissions causing temperatures?
They can't
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:40 ET by 10ksnookerThere is not one shred of science evidence that AGW even exists much less is likely to cause catastrophic anything. None of al Gore's fictional movie can be called fact, it's all been debunked.
AGW is the biggest tax and spend scam ever concocted.
AD...In my real world, you
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:39 ET by bigtimerAD...In my real world, you don't speak for us or our community.
At all...not even close.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
AD, I have asked this question of numerous climate socialists...
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:45 ET by R D Helm...and a socialist that is exactly what you are, and I have yet to get an answer:
What, exactly, is the perfect mean temperature for this planet?
Extreme Devil's Advocate
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:47 ET by FoolicanIn AD's defense, there is no perfect mean temperature. In fact, that is a nonsensical question, as systems of cold and hot air masses move throughout the world so rapidly that there can never be equilibrium. However, if the CO2 emissions theory is correct, cutting down on excess emissions will prevent any runaway temperature increases/decreases on top of those systems.
Foolican,
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:00 ET by R D Helm...there is no perfect mean temperature.
Exactly. Which means AD and his fellow traveling "comrades" have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
There can't possibly be a
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:22 ET by taterThere can't possibly be a runaway temperature increase or decrease due to CO2 emissions and I'll tell you why...
Say the earth warms due to CO2...then the air can hold more water vapor since warmer air holds more water than colder air. That leads to more cloud cover over the earth. Clouds reflect some of the sun's rays and you get a cooling effect. More precip will fall from the sky and some will be snow, ice, frozen liquid. The albedo from that will reflect more of the sun's rays producing a cooling effect. That doesn't even take into account sunspots, volcanoes, or natural variances in the earth's orbit and tilt and how they affect climate.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
The Earth Is Self-Balancing ... Just As God Designed It
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:50 ET by benjamingatesGenesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and COLD AND HEAT, and SUMMER AND WINTER, and day and night SHALL NOT CEASE.
Temperature fluctuations are part of the natural cycles God built into the earth. What kind of an egomaniac thinks he can control what God has already subjected to the laws of nature and physics?
I'll tell you what kind ... an Al Gorian egomaniac.
Re:There can't possibly be a
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:35 ET by r22weissWell stated Tater!
Cimate is self regulating
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 00:39 ET by JWFIt is how life is possible on earth. The temperature has been both warmer and colder before and has returned to a norm. And it did it without your all important help.
<<...However, if the CO2
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 08:11 ET by Seabeach4348<<...However, if the CO2 emissions theory is correct...>>
Rather big "if" wouldn't you say? There is plenty of "reality-based science" which claims that the usual "experts" were fast and loose with the facts to arrive at this conclusion, many of those links and references are available right on this website.
The enviro-alarmists use computer-based models as their proof of impending doom if we don't get on board! Are those not the very same type of computer-based models used by the reality-based weather "experts" who just knew that 2006 and 2007 hurricanes were supposed to be the worst in recorded history....due to AGW...and they flopped miserably?
Sorry but I'm just not impressed with this brand of science used by the perverts at the IPCC, the UN, and the rest of the usual gang of idiots in the "reality-based world community" who create needless calamity and a fictious climactic crisis just to regulate and to tax the crap out of us simply because they think that America (primarily) lives too high on the foodchain.
And scaring our children with fairy tales like AGW should be a crime!
And, yeah, just where the hell is the "reality based community" you speak of? I would just love to visit the place.
Semantics
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:18 ET by dboI don't like "alarmism" either. I think "scare the living bejesus out of children" is far more accurate. Either way, the CO2 theory seems to have blown a head gasket.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Since_2002.jpg
Nice name, AD. Hey, that
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:24 ET by jdhawkNice name, AD. Hey, that AD stuff is really working for the former citizens of Rhodesia now Zimbabwe. Through AD they have managed to transform themselves from the bread basket of southern Africa to starving to death. Good one!
And, that Mao guy. He had a great AD plan, too. He managed to starve about 40 million human beings to death. Good one!
Stalin . . . same plan . . . same result. Good one!
You're a sick puppy AD. Get help . . .
jd, I think AD stands for Attention Deficit something or other.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 00:46 ET by R D HelmBet we are dealing with a Ritalin kid here.
LOL-It would explain much.
You mean
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:23 ET by ahusserThe "science" of something that doesn't exist. Kind of like the belief in the last century of the "aether" or "miasma". We are about to be F***ed with the "Cap and Trade" BS which will be about Government regulating all. Say hi to the new 5 year plan comrade Agrarian Decentralist.
AD, Here is some science for you to read up on...
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 03:24 ET by PopularTechA Climate of Belief (PDF) (Patrick Frank, Ph.D. Chemistry)
Apocalypse Cancelled (PDF) (Christopher Monckton, Former Policy Advisor for British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher)
Carbon Dioxide is not the primary cause of global warming (PDF) (Allan M.R. MacRae, B.Sc., M.Eng.)
Carbon Emissions Don’t Cause Global Warming (PDF) (David Evans, B.Sc. Physics, M.S. Statistics, Ph.D. Engineering)
Climate Change Re-examined (PDF) (Joel M. Kauffman, Ph.D. Organic Chemistry, MIT)
Climate Science: Climate Change and Its Impacts (PDF) (David R. Legates, Ph.D. Climatology)
CO2: The Greatest Scientific Scandal of Our Time (PDF) (Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D. Ph.D. D.Sc.)
Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide (PDF) (Arthur Robinson, Ph.D. Chemistry)
Global Warming and Nature's Thermostat (Roy Spencer, Ph.D. Meteorology)
Is the Sky Really Falling? A Review of Recent Global Warming Scare Stories (PDF) (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
Is There a Basis for Global Warming Alarm? (Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT)
Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate (PDF) (S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences)
The Acquittal of Carbon Dioxide (Jeffrey A. Glassman, Ph.D. Applied Physicist and Engineer)
The Increase in Global Temperature: What it Does and Does Not Tell Us (PDF) (Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology)
The Lynching of Carbon Dioxide - The Innocent Source of Life (PDF) (Martin Hertzberg, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry)
The Myth of Dangerous Human Caused Climate Change (PDF) (Robert (Bob) M. Carter, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Paleontology)
The IPCC's dubious evidence for a human influence on climate (PDF) (John McLean, Climate Data Analyst)
The Science Isn't Settled - The Limitations of Global Climate Models (PDF) (Timothy (Tim) F. Ball, Ph.D. Historical Climatologist)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
And how about
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:30 ET by 10ksnookerNASA falsifying the temperature data and then calling it an oops? Where was the big press fanfare over that. And now we have the NOAA cherry picking trend analysis data to try and rescue the obvious downturn in temperature. http://icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool
The whole of the government weather establishment is no longer an honest science broker, they have a stake in the game -- Pay more in taxes so government can pretend to control the weather. How long before everyone recognizes it for the tax and spend scam it is.
Blame James Hansen, Al Gore, Heidi Cullen, and Other AGW Nuts
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 20:05 ET by benjamingatesThe only reason global warming is still an issue is because of the manufactured data that James Hansen extorted and manipulated from NASA and NOAA ... he needed their figures to make his specious global warming premises and conclusions halfway believable.
What Hansen doesn't show
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 21:33 ET by danboWhat Hansen doesn't show you.
Pull in the chart to only smoothing by a 250 km radius rather than the normal 1500km radius. Note all the gray. (Missing data.)
Base the data on the last 10 years rather than an unusual cool periods like 1950-1980. Which they usually do.
Of course. If we toss in the oceans?
Is this a sin of omission?
"There is a clear attempt to establioceanssh truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
..... - that global warming
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:49 ET by MidAmerica..... - that global warming is having an impact on just about every aspect of the way we live," ......
???? It is? Where?
It's June and where I'm at we have had precious few really warm days, just cool and/or rainy.
Same here MA..in fact I
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 18:59 ET by bigtimerSame here MA..in fact I still have coals in my fire going...Mays been vey cool here also.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Global Whining - Ecomilitance at Its Finest
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:22 ET by benjamingatesMorning temperatures throughout May were IN THE 50's ... IN ALABAMA.
Just where in the hell is all this damn "global" warming that Al Whore is referring to, anyway?
And don't you think the people in Alaska, Canada, Iceland, Norway, and Siberia are BEGGING for it ... holy frickin' guacamole ... half the globe NEEDS it for God's sake!!!
If the crack pots have
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 08:15 ET by Seabeach4348If the crack pots have their way, it will effect our wallets big time.
That is the sole desired effect of this hoax!
Our government, with its
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:18 ET by jdhawkOur government, with its considerable resources, year after year after year can't get the following right:
Hurricanes:
how many?
what intensity?
where are they originating from?
what will be their track?
where will they make landfall?
And, even during the so-called hurricane season, they are making guesses . . .er, prognostications that are screwed up!
Yet, we are going to believe a bunch of "scientists" that think they can predict the temperature of the planet 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 years from now.
Heck, my local weatherman can't get the temperture, wind, and precip right for a couple of hours from now in my area.
Yeah, I believe there is man-made GW . . . sure . . .
Globalwarmingtology - Ecomilitance at Its Finest
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:25 ET by benjamingatesMorning temperatures throughout May were IN THE 50's ... IN ALABAMA.
Just where in the hell is all this damn "global" warming that Al Whore is referring to, anyway?
And don't you think the people in Alaska, Canada, Iceland, Norway, and Siberia are BEGGING for it ... holy frickin' guacamole ... half the globe NEEDS it for Christ's sake!!!
My goodness - my life is suddenly changed.
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:52 ET by Gary HallYup - got up to 70 degrees today, maybe,
Well, so far the only thing which has changed in the way I live, is that I spend more time being surprised that the Global Warming Alarmists can keep coming up with this stuff. Well, actually Gore's activism has affected our lives a bit - ethanol - higher food prices - shortages of food - missing integrity.
Other than fear of increased taxes and the resultant higher costs of fuel and food I can't think of a single aspect of anyone's life which has been changed - to date. Gibson can report all he wishes on the supposed future changes which the alarmists are predicting, which if true (and I'm not a believer) would indeed have some impact on humans - but even then the verdict is out on whether the changes would be more negative than positive.
The Earth Is Self-Balancing ... Just as God Designed It
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 20:03 ET by benjamingatesGenesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and COLD AND HEAT, and SUMMER AND WINTER, and day and night SHALL NOT CEASE.
Temperature fluctuations are part of the natural cycles God built into the earth. What kind of an egomaniac thinks he can control what God has already subjected to the laws of nature and physics?
I'll tell you what kind ... an Al Gorian egomaniac.
Ecclesiastes 11:4
He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap.
What kind of an idiot ... what kind of a mindless busybody ... runs around worrying about the weather all day long ... for the ENTIRETY of his political career?!!
James Hansen, Al Gore, Heidi Cullen, and Other AGW Nuts
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 20:09 ET by benjamingatesThe only reason global warming is still an issue is because of the manufactured data that James Hansen extorted and manipulated from NASA and NOAA (and because AGW "prophets" like Al Gore and Heidi Cullen trowel out such corrupt data 24/7/365) ... he needed their figures to make his specious global warming premises and conclusions halfway believable.
Man-made Global Warming is a HOAX!!!
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 20:20 ET by Joe C.The "theory" has been disproven by science. What is going on now is actually economic terrorism.
"A man who won't believe in God will believe in anything."
G.K. Chesterton
AGW and commie goals...
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 20:29 ET by Clear thinkerThe Commies have finally found the bait they have been looking for, AGW.
Communist Goals (1963)
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
#32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture -- education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etcetera.
Number 32 of the "45 Communist Goals for America" was not written specifically for Global Warming, the commies simply got lucky on this one.
If you would like to see what other goals will relate to AGW simply go here... http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm and pick all that apply.
"Abstain from McCain"
Since our all-powerful
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 20:48 ET by ckc1227Since our all-powerful Congress can legislate the ability to control the climate, I recommend they legislate away the existence of gravity so we can all fly. Just think about how much we could save on oil and gas if only Congress would do this.
Legislation might be a
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:08 ET by SnappyLegislation might be a little much, I am sure that passing a simple non-binding resolution condeming Man made Global Warming, CO2, and gravity should do the trick. I think it is more this current congress style than actually passing any legislation.
Gotta love an administration
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:05 ET by cleverpigGotta love an administration that calls complying with a federal judge's order a "magnanimous" act. Out of the kindness of their expansive hearts, they deigned to pay a different branch of government a modicum of respect. Bravo, good sirs!
Tears of guilt
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:19 ET by UnsaneYou won't stop crying those tears of guilt until we render the world's largest and most advanced economy (which you greedily suck the tits of) completely dismantled and turn America into a Sixth-World nation, will you?
And sorry, as much as it fills you with extreme pain, the Bush administration could have appealed it to, say, the Supreme Court. That's part of what we call "checks and balances".
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
They could have appealed,
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 23:48 ET by cleverpigThey could have appealed, but that would require acknowledging the role and authority of the judiciary, which they apparently felt no need to do. Instead they simply didn't comply for four years, then claimed that the delay was necessary to make sure that no one had to do too much reading! It's funny, except for when it's sad :(
What's sad is that such a
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 00:39 ET by ckc1227What's sad is that such a nonsensical, government-created report furthering this scam even exists in the first place.
cleverpig the spoiled brat
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 01:20 ET by UnsaneThey could have appealed, but that would require acknowledging the role and authority of the judiciary, which they apparently felt no need to do. cleverpig, if this nation is the EVIL, HORRIBLE dictatorship that you think it is, why are you still here? How come you aren't emigrating to some Nanny State that will doubtless be more your speed instead of mewling constantly like the spoiled child you clearly are?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
But I don't waaanna!
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 22:18 ET by cleverpigBut I don't waaanna!
But! But! But!
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 23:36 ET by UnsaneBut this country, to read your mewling, is more EVIL, HORRIBLE, and OPPRESSIVE than the Soviet Union during the Great Terror, or China during the Cultural Revolution!
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
*cry*
Thu, 06/05/2008 - 00:33 ET by cleverpig*cry*
And?
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:18 ET by FoolicanYour point being...?
It doesn't make AGW any more legitimate.
A story of Mars and Venus
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:23 ET by UnsaneI wonder what cleverpig's take on astronomy is.
Namely, Mars and Venus.
Mars's atmosphere consists of mostly CO2, yet temps there are about the same as a warm day on Antarctica.
Venus has lots and lots of water vapor...indeed, we can't see the surface until we set a probe down on its surface, as it is totally socked in by clouds. But, once we DO land a probe there, we have to send plenty of liquid helium with it, and once the last of the liquid helium evaporates, we can kiss the probe goodbye, as temperatures are such on Venus where lead, if it can be found on the surface, would be found in liquid form only.
Such things are lost on AGW religionists.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
It's not just black and white.
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:30 ET by FoolicanWith that information in mind, however, we need to understand that the Earth's atmosphere is more than just carbon dioxide and water vapor. Chemical reactions must also be taken into account.
The Earth's atmosphere is made up of oxygen, nitrogen, water vapor, methane, carbon, etc..
Plus Venus is a LOT closer to the sun than Earth and Mars, respectively.
More on the solar system
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:43 ET by UnsaneMercury is a LOT closer to the sun than even Venus, yet the surface temps can reach well below Antarctic temps due to its lack of an atmosphere. Venus's temp of 800 F seems to be more or less uniform.
And yes, you can factor in lots of different things, such as the fact that Venus has a day that is longer than its year, thus exposing its surface to the tender mercies of the sun for a longer length of time, and so on (along with other factors you pointed out). I decided to stick to atmosphere for the sake of argument.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
The Science of Global Warming is Swiss Cheese
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 22:08 ET by JayTeeThe GW Science has Holes all in it, and the holes are getting bigger all the Time.
Man-made CO2 is neglible with respect to warming
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 00:11 ET by wdhorningThe science is rock solid, man-made effects on warming are neglible.
Without any naturally caused green house gases the average temperature will drop 50 degree Fahrenheit around the world. Or put the other way, adding these gases (water vapor, CO2 and others) will raise the average temperature 50 degrees, to where it is now.
Well naturally occuring CO2 is 30% of all greenhouse gases. And industrial and vehicle made CO2 is about 1% more than the naturally made kind, or only 1/3% of the total greenhouse gases. Well if 100% of these gases raises the planet 50 degrees, then the man-made kind only raises the temperature 1/6 degree (1/3% of 50 degrees). Keep in mind that historical, naturally caused ranges of average temperature over time have a range of 6-8 degrees. So what is 1/6 of a degree out of 6-8 degrees average due to natural change? It is negliglible in the big scheme of things. (True, the relationship is not perfectly linear, but this is close enough for this comparison.)
So all the scientists who say man-made CO2 is a problem are all "fruit cakes" and politicians that are concerned about man-made CO2 are totally stupid. And it is criminal to make anyone pay taxes, carbon credits or any make any sacrifice due to these morons.
Unfortunately it won’t
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 01:10 ET by Rush FanUnfortunately it won’t matter whether a Republican or a Democrat is in the White House next time.
Both McCain and Obama will attempt to advance the global warming/climate change agenda with it’s associated billion dollar costs to industry and to the tax payers. Our only hope is that enough Republicans in Congress will be able to block any proposed legislation. Ref: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/da151a1c-733a-4dc1-9cd3-f9ca5...
Correction: - After reading Brent Bozell's column - "Hurricane Lieberman-Warner" the associated cost is in the trillions not billions per the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).
"You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts"