It was bound to happen eventually - someone from the global warming movement tying the recent Myanmar cyclone to the so-called climate change phenomenon.
Former Vice President Al Gore in an interview on NPR's May 6 "Fresh Air" broadcast did just that. He was interviewed by "Fresh Air" host Terry Gross about the release of his book, "The Assault on Reason," in paperback.
"And as we're talking today, Terry, the death count in Myanmar from the cyclone that hit there yesterday has been rising from 15,000 to way on up there to much higher numbers now being speculated," Gore said. "And last year a catastrophic storm from last fall hit Bangladesh. The year before, the strongest cyclone in more than 50 years hit China - and we're seeing consequences that scientists have long predicted might be associated with continued global warming."
Gore claimed global warming is forcing ocean temperatures to rise, which is causing storms, including cyclones and hurricanes, to intensify - despite the fact meteorologists have explained otherwise.
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"Assault on Reason"? With
May 6, 2008 - 17:26 ET by Chris Norman"Assault on Reason"? With this nonsense about Global Warming -caused tornadoes and hurricanes, it's Gore who's engaging in an Assault on Seasons.
How ironic.
May 6, 2008 - 20:01 ET by dronetekThe book title is very ironic, as its Al Gore who is assaulting reason.
algore
May 6, 2008 - 17:27 ET by DEVILDOCMOMDo not forget the penguins who have migrated to the North Pole...
penguins
May 6, 2008 - 17:52 ET by mnconv92exactly, I mean, how many penguins were killed in this cyclone during their migration north???
I am sure
May 6, 2008 - 19:19 ET by DEVILDOCMOMthat nbc is counting as we speak...er, write. :)
It's obvious
May 6, 2008 - 18:30 ET by pbthinkerSince the cyclone was caused by global warming, that means it was warm where the cyclone was and the penguins just couldn't take it so they wondered into harms way and were blown, all the way to the North Pole, by the cyclone. And that's the truth.
So, would you like to buy some carbon offsets?
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Makes perfect sense
May 6, 2008 - 19:21 ET by DEVILDOCMOMPB...that is obviously what happened. In the picture they do look a little ruffled.
Both God Almighty & AGW get blamed for these disasters
May 6, 2008 - 17:28 ET by sarcasmoBy various religious & political loons these days. I think there might be a more believable "alternative explanation" the media could use occasionally: Blame the meteorologists!! ;)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
"Gore claimed global
May 6, 2008 - 17:32 ET by scamorama"Gore claimed global warming is forcing ocean temperatures to rise..."
I wish that moron's advisors would clue him in to the LA NINA in the Pacific.
It's cold water, Al, COLD!
Lot's of warm water
May 6, 2008 - 19:05 ET by danboLot's of warm water here. Remember the map is distorted. The squares near the central pacific and indian ocean are far larger than the squares near the poles.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
How low can his legacy go
May 6, 2008 - 17:38 ET by dboA British judge already declared that linking Katrina to global warming was crap. Apparently this doesn't matter to Gore.
So, Al, what caused cyclones
May 6, 2008 - 17:38 ET by motherbeltSo, Al, what caused cyclones before we got into this "global warming" situation???
Not exactly compelling evidence
May 6, 2008 - 17:44 ET by Agrarian-Decentralist"...despite the fact meteorologists have explained otherwise"? Poor's link points to a free-market website that names exactly TWO meteorologists with questions about the theory.
And when is NewsBusters going to mention how the Heartland Institute had to back off its supposed list of "500 Scientists with Documented Doubts about Global Warming Scares"? It seems that a fair number of those scientists are not at all happy about their names appearing on such a list. See:
desmogblog.com/heartland-insitute-backs-off-fraudulent-list-refuses-to-apologize
Not exactly a compelling
May 6, 2008 - 19:58 ET by NL207Not exactly a compelling rebuttal. Which Meteorologists have explained otherwise? I don't see any names or links connected to your statement. So far you are being outscored 2-0.
DeSmogBlog? This is a lefty, smear-character assassination website. It is simply good for nothing as any kind of reasoned scientific opinion. Just the sort of material a poster of your standards would rely upon.
Keep dreaming
May 6, 2008 - 18:15 ET by dboAnd when is NewsBusters going to mention how the Heartland Institute had to back off its supposed list of "500 Scientists with Documented Doubts about Global Warming Scares"?
Probably not going to happen since the Heartland Institute has not had to back off its list. It's all a matter of semantics in your "echo chamber" world.
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=23207
No Hurrican Global Warming Link
May 6, 2008 - 19:40 ET by PopularTechHurricanes - (2006) What Hurricane Season? (FOXNews)
Hurricanes - (2007) Light Hurricane Season (American Thinker)
Hurricanes - Calmer Weather: The Spin on Greenhouse Hurricanes (Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology)
Hurricanes - Counting Atlantic Tropical Cyclones Back to 1900 (PDF) (Christopher W. Landsea Ph.D. Atmospheric Science)
"Researchers cannot assume that the Atlantic tropical cyclone database presents a complete depiction of frequency of events before the advent of satellite imagery in the mid-1960s. Moreover, newly available advanced tools and techniques are also contributing toward monitoring about one additional Atlantic tropical cyclone per year since 2002. Thus large, long-term ‘trends’ in tropical cyclone frequency are primarily manifestations of increased monitoring capabilities and likely not related to any real change in the climate in which they develop."
Hurricanes - Experts: Global Warming Didn't Cause Katrina (NewsMax)
Hurricanes - Global Warming Increases Wind Shear, Reduces Hurricanes, Climate Model Shows (Science Daily)
Hurricanes - Global Warming and Hurricanes (PDF) (William M. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences)
"Global hurricane frequency and/or intensity has not been observed to undergo any significant trends as a result of the global warming of the last 30 years for frequency and for the last 20 years for intensity"
Hurricanes - Global warming 'not linked' to typhoons (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Hurricanes - Hurricanes and Climate Change: Assessing the Linkages Following the 2006 Season (PDF) (William M. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences)
Hurricanes - Hurricanes and Hot Air (William M. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences)
Hurricanes - Hurricane Center: Global Warming Equals Fewer Storms (NewsMax)
Hurricanes - Hurricane Hysteria (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
Hurricanes - Increased Hurricane Losses Due To More People, Wealth Along Coastlines, Not Stronger Storms (NOAA)
Hurricanes - Link between climate change and tropical cyclone intensity: more research necessary (World Meteorological Organization)
"A consensus of 125 of the world’s leading tropical cyclone researchers and forecasters says that no firm link can yet be drawn between ...climate change and variations in the intensity and frequency of tropical cyclones."
Hurricanes - Monster Hurricanes: Study Questions Linkage Between Severe Hurricanes And Global Warming (Science Daily)
Hurricanes - Natural Climate Changes Can Intensify Hurricanes More Efficiently Than Global Warming (Science Daily)
Hurricanes - New Findings Blame Jump In Hurricane Toll On Coastal Growth, Not Climate Change (Science Daily)
Hurricanes - Record year for hurricanes part of a natural cycle (USA Today)
Hurricanes - Recent Hurricanes Not Caused by Warming, Scientists Conclude (The Heartland Institute)
Hurricanes - Scientist doubts warming-hurricane link (United Press International)
Hurricanes - Scientists: Early Tropical Storm Not Due to Global Warming (FOXNews)
Hurricanes - The Deadliest, Costliest and Most Intense United States Tropical Cyclones From 1851 to 2006 (PDF) (Christopher W. Landsea Ph.D. Atmospheric Science)
Hurricanes - Tropical Cyclone Data Tape For the North Atlantic Basin, 1886-1983 (NOAA)
"until organized reconnaissance began in 1944, the two major sources of information on tropical cyclones were land stations and ships at sea. Undoubtedly, during this early period some storms went undetected."
Hurricanes - Warming not behind hurricane activity: forecaster (Reuters)
Hurricanes - Warmer Ocean Could Reduce Number Of Atlantic Hurricane Landfalls (Science Daily)
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No Consensus on Man-Made Global Warming
May 6, 2008 - 19:44 ET by PopularTech19,000 Scientists declare that "man-made" global warming is a lie with no scientific basis whatsoever (OISM)
- Art Robinson Responds to Petition Slander (OISM)
4000 Scientists sign 'The Heidelberg Appeal' (Science & Environmental Policy Project)
500 Scientists with Documented Doubts of Man-Made Global Warming Scares (The Heartland Institute)
400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 (US Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works)
170 Scientists, Economists and Theologians sign An Open Letter to the Signers of 'Climate Change: An Evangelical Call to Action' (Cownwall Alliance)
152 Climate Experts sign 'The Manhattan Declaration' (ICSC)
105 Scientists sign 'The Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change' (Science & Environmental Policy Project)
100 Scientists sign an 'Open Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations' (National Post, Canada)
60 Scientists call on Harper to revisit the science of global warming (Financial Post, Canada)
47 Scientists sign the 'Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming' (Science & Environmental Policy Project)
41 Scientists debunk global warming alert (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
35 Skeptical Scientists, 'The Deniers' (National Post, Canada)
As for the smear site DeSmogBlog:
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$$$ Funded by John Lefebvre (Former President of Netseller Group)
- Who is James Hoggan? (Financial Post, Canada)
"So who is James Hoggan? He's a public relations man, based in Vancouver. His firm, James Hoggan and Associates, is positioned as a feel-good local operation with clients in all the "right" public and private sectors. He also sits on the board of the David Suzuki Foundation.
One of his side efforts is a blog operated out of Hoggan and Associates. Funded by retired Internet bubble king John Lefebvre, the blog has one full-time and three part-time staff. They spend their time tracking down and maliciously attacking all who have doubts about climate change and painting them as corporate pawns.
There has been no mention on the blog, nor on The Fifth Estate, of James Hoggan's client list. They include or have included the National Hydrogen Association, Fuel Cells Canada, hydrogen producer QuestAir, Naikun Wind Energy and Ballard Fuel Cells. Mr. Hoggan, in other words, benefits from regulatory policy based on climate change science.
But it is as a climate commentator that Mr. Hoggan gets carried away. On The Denial Machine, Mr. Hoggan is allowed to go on at some length about how climate skeptics are not true scientists, are not qualified, or have no expertise.
That takes some gall. Here's a totally unqualified small-town PR guy making disparaging comments about scientists he says are unqualified while he lectures the rest of us on the science. "If you look in the scientific literature, there is no debate," he tells Mr. McKeown. It doesn't seem to bother Mr. McKeown that Mr. Hoggan has no expertise. It is also a little rich to have a
member of the Suzuki Foundation board pronounce other scientists unfit and unqualified for climate assessments, while geneticist David Suzuki roams the world issuing barrages of climate change warnings at every opportunity."
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Did you actually read the document?
May 7, 2008 - 00:30 ET by HumblepieThat was a dumb question to ask, (smacking my hands for typing it). Actually the number of scientists is up to 700. Desmogblog only list five and a few names are dubious. May I suggest some light reading from the Heartland web site. It will help with your confusion. I may also suggest you research the Mann Document and related information that disproves that theory also (think of pine nuts). Thank you for play, please come again.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
50 Years
May 6, 2008 - 17:45 ET by ScrapironStrongest in 50 years. What caused the ones more than 50 years ago that were stronger? Polar bear farts? Algorabge and Dimmy Carter should both be in a rubber room.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
How predictable.
May 6, 2008 - 17:45 ET by Free ThinkerHow predictable.
Summer is coming; looks
May 6, 2008 - 17:56 ET by TheTruthSummer is coming; looks like Gore has climbed out from under his rock to start taking credit for weather events to fill his carbon scam coffers.
But Al Gore was very good in
May 6, 2008 - 17:57 ET by Jack BauerBut Al Gore was very good in that movie: A Mighty Wind
Al, Al what about the
May 6, 2008 - 18:01 ET by taterAl, Al what about the record snowfall in the mountains...the blizzard in May, Baghdad and parts of the middle east receiving snow, Madison Wisconsin receiving record snowfall for the winter, growing sea ice.
Plus the Bay of Bengal is notorious for strong cyclones. They have historical records of deadly cyclones going back to the 1700s.
http://www.wundergro...
...and Al the reason why death counts are so high is because the people get little to no warning and live in bamboo shacks. Damn I could destory this guy with facts and logic.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
More cyclones that hit
May 6, 2008 - 18:07 ET by taterMore cyclones that hit Bangledesh...
http://en.wikipedia....
How would he explain all those that hit in the 17, 18, and early 1900s???
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
Six Words:
May 6, 2008 - 18:32 ET by Roger the ShrubberKarl
Rove
Weather
Machine
Time
Machine
Oceans are cooling
May 6, 2008 - 18:03 ET by Ralph Hansen Ph. D.The tape stops, but I presume the pitiful interviewer failed to challenge Gore. All Terry Gross had to do was ask about the initial findings of the Argo Project, which shows a slight cooling of the world's oceans the past five years.
Add this to the La Nina argument, and it would have been interesting to listen to his Glo-bull Holiness sputter trying to respond.
...and we haven't even
May 6, 2008 - 18:12 ET by tater...and we haven't even touched the fact that the sun doesn't have much in the way of sunspots unlike 5-10 yrs ago. The solar flares have much more to do with weather than anything a human can pump into the atmosphere.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
You might find this interesting.
May 6, 2008 - 18:55 ET by danboIt's the PDO and RSS. I increased the RSS by a factor of 3 so you can see the trends better. Here.
Compare that to the CO2 graph.
Imagine if we included the AMO and other oceanic factors..
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Not only did Al invent the
May 6, 2008 - 18:05 ET by Old EuropeNot only did Al invent the internet and inspire "Love Story" but he also invented Global Warming.
Yeah, Al doesn't waste any time.
May 6, 2008 - 18:07 ET by Dave in TexasSomething quoted from Al in the B&MI link: “Nevertheless, the trend toward more Category 5 storms ..."
I haven't found anything yet that definitively stated what category Nargis was, but everything I've read says that the winds were reaching 120 mph. I read that as "gusting to 120 mph" which means Nargis was a strong cat 2 or maybe a weak cat 3. Nowhere near a category 5. The death toll isn't going to be so high because of how strong it was, but where it hit. You have lots and lots of people living in low lying, hard to reach areas, in fragile structures. Add a storm surge from a cyclone, and you have a catastrophe.
But far be it from Al to discuss all the variables involved in this disaster. He's got to get in his global warming propaganda.
Nargis
May 6, 2008 - 18:16 ET by 10ksnookerNargis was a category 3, winds under 130 MPH greater than 115. They said 120 MPH from satellie observations. Same as Wilma in 2005.
Katrina hit land with wind of 125 MPH at landfall, about 90 MPH winds over New Orleans. Katrina was offically CAT 3 also.
Winds are only one dimension, both Katrina and Nargis had a surge component. In both cases, Katrina and Nargis, a little more evacuation would have helped a whole lot.
New Orleans had a number of
May 6, 2008 - 18:40 ET by danboNew Orleans had a number of problems. Katrina came over the mouth of the river. At that location the winds to the north of the eye were westward. Pushing lots of water through the rigolettes into the lakes. As the eye went over Mississippi Sound it acted as a damn keeping the piled water from escaping back into the sound. Then as the eye made landfall here in Mississippi. The winds (Though only about 90 or so mph in NO) shifted toward the south. Pushing all that water at the New Orleans levees.
Of course New Orleans had dredged some of the canals undercutting the the levees. Failed to raise their levees as Jefferson parish did. Instead put the money on fountains and fiber optics. The environmentalist blocked the corps from building storm gates to the canals. Too many people thought the storm would turn toward Pensacola as Ivan did. Or fall apart.
And Nagin after he and Blanco gave the Jefferson parish so much grief in their calling an evacuation for Dennis; was unwilling to call an evacuation.
All in all a recipe for disaster.
There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Proving
May 6, 2008 - 19:05 ET by 10ksnookerThe only safe answer to a hurricane landfalling in you vicinity RUN!!! And run far.
Pardon me, Goracle
May 6, 2008 - 18:09 ET by 10ksnookerI think that the dictatorship of Myanmar had more to do with what was nothing more than a middling level hurricane equivalent. In fact in 2005 when Wilma hit Florida, a hurricane about the same size, went ashore right over us. We had minimal damage.
Of course, because unlike the peons in Myanmar, we were warned of the approach, and left the area. Winds at the local airport, about 5 miles away recorded 127 MPH sustained.
Just another incident of people living on a flood plain and not evacuating, or being evacuated. The dictatorship probably sees this as a plus, with food shortages, less people to feed.
Al Gore just sees this as an opportunity to pump his stock.
Another thing about the
May 6, 2008 - 18:26 ET by taterAnother thing about the increasing frequency of cat 5's...this is more likely because of better technology detecting the winds as back in the old days the only way you knew if a storm was that strong was when it hit land. If you notice most cat 5s are that way when they are out in open ocean and weaken significantly when they hit land. It's the same reason more tornadoes are being reported because you have better technology and several storm chasers going after those things every spring.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
In days gone by
May 6, 2008 - 19:11 ET by 10ksnookerThe only way we knew was if a ship got run over by it. Then the satellites could see the clouds -- Now the satellites have improved so we know windspeed and more.
The bad -- Nowadays, a butterfly flapping in the Atlantis gets a named storm tag. Sometimes technology overdoes it. A long list of "tiny tims" does nothing for nobody except Al Gore's stock and insurance companies.
Now we see storms and sunspots that in days past no one could see ... It biases the historical data.
In 1900, Galveston was taken out by a hurricane, when no one knew it was coming until it showed off the coast. And like Nargis, the results were devastating, 6000+ killed.
TS Chris. 2000 "At that
May 6, 2008 - 19:41 ET by danboTS Chris. 2000 "At that time, visible satellite images (Figure 4) depicted the typical curved cloud band signature of a minimal tropical storm. This was the only data which implied that Chris may have reached tropical storm status"... They sent a plane out to check it. But it fell appart before a plane got there. But it's in the record books.
The unnamed storm of 2006. "As part of its routine post-season review, the Tropical Prediction Center/National Hurricane Center (TPC/NHC) occasionally identifies a previously undesignated tropical or subtropical cyclone based on new data or meteorological interpretation. The TPC/NHC reanalysis of 2006 has re-classified a short-lived system as a tropical storm. The storm remained offshore of the northeastern United States and Nova Scotia and dissipated as a tropical cyclone before moving across Newfoundland."
So intense they missed it during the season. But noticed it in the review of the data at seasons end. (It's not the only such storm.)
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
For you Typhoon/Cyclone/Hurricane buffs out there.
May 6, 2008 - 18:28 ET by Gary HallTyphoon Saomia which hit China in 2006, which Gore accurately noted as the strongest to hit mainland China in more than 50 years (that is all that he said that might be true), was for the record the equivalent of a Category 3 storm when it made landfall. From the Chinese news agency and Reuters:
Wikipedia listed it as 120 mph (max sustained winds).
The notion that any there is a consensus among scientists that man made global warming has caused in increase in frequency or in intensity is simply bunk. A few have theorized that it may cause such minor increases as, or if, the earth continues to warm, but none have shown that this has already occurred.
Four words:
May 6, 2008 - 18:30 ET by Roger the ShrubberKarl
Rove
Weather
Machine
All you people need to stop talking! Listen to Al!
May 6, 2008 - 19:11 ET by Wilbur747He's purchased offsets from his own company so he's allowed to indoctrinate...I mean talk!
You're all putting too much CO2 in the air and, as everyone knows, this massive expulsion of CO2, the migrating penguins, the extreme amount of methane produced by cows, not to mention SUVs, burned toast, under cooked hot dogs, bad kids, Rosie, and the decreased number of sun spots (must be Bush's fault) all have combined to create atmospheric conditions that made it unusually windy here in Tucson thus causing the many trees to prematurely lose their blooms which then blow into my pool causing me to have to clean it way too often.
This will, of course, cause me to expel even more CO2, thus creating the conditions for even more hurricanes, migrating penguins to Japan, losing football teams, etc.
I'm starting to feel really, really guilty!
Gore's Hot Air
May 6, 2008 - 19:16 ET by ChasvsThe only confirmed contribution to manmade global warming is Algore's own hot air.
This lying piece if garbage needs to be put out to pasture once and for all.
To use such a human tragedy to help line his pockets with money is unbelievable, but yet typical of such selfish idiots!
I wonder how the Goreacle
May 6, 2008 - 19:51 ET by chessplayerI wonder how the Goreacle accounts for these;
Rank:
Name / Areas of Largest Loss:
Year:
Ocean Area:
Deaths:
1.
Great Bhola Cyclone, Bangladesh
1970
Bay of Bengal
550,000
2.
Hooghly River Cyclone, India and Bangladesh
1737
Bay of Bengal
350,000
3.
Haiphong Typhoon, Vietnam
1881
West Pacific
300,000
3.
Coringa, India
1839
Bay of Bengal
300,000
5.
Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh
1584
Bay of Bengal
200,000
6.
Great Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh
1876
Bay of Bengal
200,000
7.
Chittagong, Bangladesh
1897
Bay of Bengal
175,000
8.
Super Typhoon Nina, China
1975
West Pacific
171,000
9.
Cyclone 02B, Bangladesh
1991
Bay of Bengal
140,000
10.
Great Bombay Cyclone, India
1882
Arabian Sea
100,000
11.
Hakata Bay Typhoon, Japan
1281
West Pacific
65,000
12.
Calcutta, India
1864
Bay of Bengal
60,000
13.
Swatlow, China
1922
West Pacific
60,000
14.
Barisal, Bangladesh
1822
Bay of Bengal
50,000
15.
Sunderbans coast, Bangladesh
1699
Bay of Bengal
50,000
16.
Bengal Cyclone, Calcutta, India
1942
Bay of Bengal
40,000
17.
Canton, China
1862
West Pacific
37,000
18.
Backerganj (Barisal), Bangladesh
1767
Bay of Bengal
30,000
19.
Barisal, Bangladesh
1831
Bay of Bengal
22,000
20.
Great Hurricane, Lesser Antilles Islands
1780
Atlantic
22,000
21.
Devi Taluk, SE India
1977
Bay of Bengal
20,000
21.
Great Coringa Cyclone, India
1789
Bay of Bengal
20,000
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/deadlyworld.asp
"'And as we're talking
May 6, 2008 - 20:08 ET by Indiana Joe"'And as we're talking today, Terry, the death count in Myanmar from the cyclone that hit there yesterday has been rising from 15,000 to way on up there to much higher numbers now being speculated,' Gore said."
I can almost picture Al rubbing his hands with barely-concealed glee over those "higher numbers" that he might be able to use to sell his bill of goods.
Creepy.
Actually I digress this
May 6, 2008 - 20:10 ET by BlazerI digress, this terrible calamity cannot be blamed on global warming. I heard from a very good source that the junta over in Myanmar called up Ray Nagin for advice right before the cyclone hit.
-sarc
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
OMG Blazer... You should
May 6, 2008 - 20:15 ET by bigtimerOMG Blazer...
You should of warned me....I am laughing out loud...that was a good one!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
My pleasure bt. I find it
May 6, 2008 - 20:42 ET by BlazerMy pleasure bt.
I find it dis-heartening however a fraud like Gore and other lib's will sensationalize a tragedy of this scope for a leftist agenda or financial gain. Where was the outcry from Gore and co. a few month's ago when the junta slaughtered thousand's of thier countrymen?
What's more tragic to Gore, a totalitarian regime failing to warn thier people of a coming natural weather calamity that cannot be controlled or the same regime executing thousand's of people deep in the jungle away from watchful eyes and camera's by control?
But then again Gore and other communist's consider human life at the cost of an agenda collatteral damage in the war on capitalism.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Hey Blaze...all joking
May 6, 2008 - 20:56 ET by bigtimerHey Blaze...all joking aside here...I could not agree more.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Dumb Psycho a Consequence of Global Goring.
May 7, 2008 - 00:11 ET by CrashWere Al truly content that the debate is over ... he wouldn't constantly try to push over his idiotic notion? After all Al, we're not feeling the heat. And that's why more people have moved south.
AGW isn't happening
May 7, 2008 - 09:09 ET by LCT688Agw isn't happening now and it's not going to happen. What we can expect however is that as the evidence mounts showing just how fooloish not to mention expensive this fraud has been it proponents will become shriller and shriller in their demand that all who would disagree just shut up. I say we should from a "Reasonable Profits Board" to control Al "the fraud" Gore's looting in the name of AGW. Fair is fair after all. Ayn would be proud.
"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."
Alexander Hamilton
This view is not
May 7, 2008 - 09:26 ET by NL207This view is not accurate. AGW IS happening. But so is natural climate variation.
The Alarmists led by Al Gore and a collection of political hacks seeking to profit personally from political action claim that Human contributions to climate change are dominant in the system AND net harmful to the biosphere, and therefore must be curbed by the application of government force.
The Realists, led by Sen Inhofe and scientists like Richard Lindzen, argue that the Human caused components of climate change are small in relation to natural variations and that the system has neither exceeded its range of natural variability nor will it for the foreseeable future.
The Deniers don't believe climate is changing at all.
The facts say the Realists are right.
Anyone who questions Algores version is labeled a denier...
May 7, 2008 - 09:46 ET by jazbo... what a wonderful way to shut down debate on his very profitable scam.
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Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.
Al Gore applies Sith
May 7, 2008 - 09:48 ET by NL207Al Gore applies Sith Logic: You are either A or B, mutually exclusive extremes. There are no other positions possible.
Hmmmm..... Maybe Al Gore is more evil than I thought ....
I DISAGREE
May 7, 2008 - 13:32 ET by LCT688I would contend that there is not a single piece of evidence that humans are not part of nature and that therefor any marginal impact of our activities is also apart of the natural variation. None of which is worth a sintila in relation to the primary controling factor of solar output. Arguments to the contrary are just post reality ass covering.
"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."
Alexander Hamilton
Myanmar was very poor
May 7, 2008 - 12:45 ET by TjexciteMyanmar was very poor before and now they are still poor. If the Junta did not see this as a money making scheme they would not have even told the world the true devastation. And the number of dead will keep on climbing until it become unlikely. 1000 dead=millions what does hundred thousand equal ?
The Chaitén volcano will have put AGW back 50 years then the Gorecal will say that volcanos are one of the consequences of the global warming.