A Time.com article by Bryan Walsh encouraged readers to go to an environmentalist Web site because it might be their last chance to see the "polar world."
"Man your computers - GlobalWarming101.com might give you a last glimpse of a dying polar world," Walsh wrote on February 22.
The Web site is run by Will Steger, who identified himself as an author, photographer and "ceaseless advocate for the Earth's well being."
"To help raise awareness of the damage climate change is wreaking on the polar regions, next month Steger will be leading a team of six young adventurers on a 1,400-mile, 60-day-long dogsled expedition across Ellesmere Island, in the far Canadian Arctic," wrote Walsh.
Steger's site said that the team would "visit the endangered and collapsed ice shelves - due to global warming."
"What they'll see may be startling," continued Walsh. "Climate change has already refashioned the geography of the Arctic, melting glaciers that past adventurers - not to mention the Inuit who make their home in the far north - once journeyed on securely."
According to the article, Steger also employed the services of Sam Branson, the son of billionaire global warming activist Richard Branson.
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More Propaganda about the Arctic
February 25, 2008 - 17:36 ET by PopularTechI am not surprised Time is running a propaganda story. I am surprised they are bringing this up now when the Arctic is fully frozen over, they love to leave this fact out...
Arctic - Arctic Winter Ice 1979-2006 (Animation) (NASA)
Arctic - Arctic Sea Ice Re-Freezing at Record Pace (The Daily Green)
But you will never here them talk about the natural forces involved in the summer ice minimum...
Arctic - A Warmer Arctic? Blame Mother Nature (National Post, Canda)
Arctic - Arctic Atmosphere Very Clean This Year (2007) (Science Daily)
Arctic - Arctic Data Cast Doubt on Climate Change Theory (CTV News)
Arctic - Arctic Forecast: Nordic Sea Ice Expansion (World Climate Report)
Arctic - Arctic Ocean Circulation Does An About-Face (Science Daily)
Arctic - Dirty Snow May Warm Arctic As Much As Greenhouse Gases (Science Daily)
Arctic - North Atlantic Warming Tied To Natural Variability (Science Daily)
Arctic - Reports of Record Arctic Ice Melt Disgracefully Ignore History (NewsBusters)
Arctic - Scary Arctic Ice Loss? Blame the Wind (Science)
Arctic - Winds of Change Thinned The Arctic Ice (NewScientist)
Arctic - Winds, Ice Motion Root Cause Of Decline In Sea Ice, Not Warmer Temperatures (Science Daily)
Don't get me started on Polar Bears - they are not even remotely endangered.
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re: More Propaganda
February 25, 2008 - 19:08 ET by Giles WinterbourneMight be worth looking at the data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (http://nsidc.org/dat...) . For example
ftp://sidads.colorad...
Your links don't even
February 25, 2008 - 19:29 ET by NL207Your links don't even demonstrate there is anything out of the ordinary about these variations within the scope of recent geologic history such as the last 500,000 years. They are little more than anecdotal observations.
Jan Extent compared to
February 25, 2008 - 19:41 ET by Giles WinterbourneJan Extent compared to median ftp://sidads.colorad...
Jan trend since '79 ftp://sidads.colorad...
Though waiting for the March data would be better.
I said GEOLOGIC TIME. 30
February 25, 2008 - 19:50 ET by NL207I said GEOLOGIC TIME. 30 years ago, or even 300 years ago is not geologic time.
Why? Other than it throws
February 25, 2008 - 21:21 ET by Giles WinterbourneWhy?
Other than it throws a lot of data that basically has nothing to do with AGW into the mix.
Why? Because it
February 26, 2008 - 00:50 ET by NL207Why? Because it introduces a lot of data to the mix that indicates climatic conditions today are no different than they were in the last three interglacial thermal optima. In fact, it is not now as warm as the maximum warmth of those previous warm periods.
This information refutes completely two of the foundational notions of the AGW Alarmist crowd:
(1) It is now signnicantly warmer than ant any time in Earth's recent history and
(2) The rate of warming observed over the last Century is somehow remarkably greater tha rates of warming observed in the past.
Both of these mainstays of the AGW mantra are demonstrably false.
no different
February 26, 2008 - 12:48 ET by Giles WinterbourneA problem with not reading widely in the scientific literature is not knowing that the conditions now are not comparable with half a million years ago. Or possibly trying to be disingenuous and not realizing that the general populous is reading more widely?
The IPCC reports, esp. Chapter 6 of Working Group 1 walk through all the data on paleoclimatology (www.ipcc.ch/pdf/asse...). With something like 600 studies cited and compared and discussed.
When you go use unattributed statements and attempt to make AGW sound like a religious belief, it makes any scientific discussion fruitless.
Cited discussion of 'previous warm periods': http://www.skeptical...
Do you read the abstracts
February 26, 2008 - 14:14 ET by Dan The Man 2Do you read the abstracts and papers produced on a regular basis or do you rely on those who do? I assume you also work in this field and have good credentials? The volume of information is staggering and I rely on those who read and understand to put in simple terms for me. I then look at the competing ideas and make some decisions on what is true.
We all do that unless we are imersed 100 percent in research.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Read a variety of abstracts
February 26, 2008 - 18:51 ET by Giles WinterbourneRead a variety of abstracts and papers - fairly regularly.
If you're aware of how to do good research, you know there are many ways to extract information on your topic. I focus on a couple of aspects of the research and keep some on 'back burners'
'competing ideas' - hope you are looking at Currency, Bias, Authority, Relevance, and Accuracy in choosing your resources.
Strange. A number of us
February 26, 2008 - 19:18 ET by danboStrange. A number of us have had to do research either in grad school or as a part of our professions. Or both.
It's hard to get a grasp of the reliability of a piece of research from the abstract. Or the summary. They're nothing but a thumb nail sketch by the researcher or abstractor to say what he found. The body of the research is far more important. That gives you more of a feel as to what the researcher did. The care of his research. What he did to attempt to minimize his bias affecting the result. (Blind studies are done for a reason.) And a whole lot of other things.
And after research is finished how the researcher handles those who disagrees is important. Does he consider the criticism or does he brush it asside. Pretend it doesn't exist. Tend to attempt to silence them.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
"and papers" There are
February 26, 2008 - 21:32 ET by Giles Winterbourne"and papers"
There are criteria for writing the abstracts, btw. Not the same criteria for PR pieces.
As you know from grad school or doctoral work, there are sources in any field that are generally more trustworthy than others.
And where, who, why the research was done helps establish its quality. As would prior research cited.
Without looking at the
February 26, 2008 - 22:08 ET by danboWithout looking at the actual research. you're just taking the word of the reviewer. Seems you want to take the word of people who after caught making an error; adjust their data more. (Hansen) And people who say trust us. (IPCC/UN) Just like they did with food for oil.
I'd rather whenever I can look at the data. And the process.
Sorry if you don't think the actual data is important. Perhaps we should do away with papers and just let abstractors tell us what's going on.
Oh sorry. You already do that.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
"and papers" For
February 26, 2008 - 23:04 ET by Giles Winterbourne"and papers"
For clarification: abstracts and research papers. Maybe you read it as newspapers or something.
The research itself.
February 27, 2008 - 09:00 ET by danboThe research itself? Including methods? Or just papers? Papers can mean a lot. Unless you look at the research design, the process. You really haven't a clue as to potential problems in the papers or research. (I assume research is the foundation for the papers. Without good research the papers are worthless.)
Looking at the abstract, and conclusion or summary without looking at what's between it is no more than taking someone's word because you like him or he says what you want.
I saw far more discussion of the scientific process, potential problems within the design, care taken to avoid bias as well as the findings in a recent science fair project than many "scientific" papers.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Not terribly sure why we
February 27, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Giles WinterbourneNot terribly sure why we are having this conversation; in reviewing a few of your posts, I don't see any links to any research. Just a lot of opinions.
Oh, wait; 'proof' by linking to freep - that's a quality site cite....
You can, if you wish, discuss methodology, but without a reference to what you're considering good research, it would be about as useful as debating the number of angels that will fit on the head of a pin, or studying bodily ejecta for signs.
You're the one who made the
February 27, 2008 - 12:58 ET by danboYou're the one who made the issue of reading abstracts. Like it's a big deal.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Actually, I said 'read
February 27, 2008 - 13:37 ET by Giles WinterbourneActually, I said 'read widely'
You jumped into a 'abstracts don't count' meme.
Which is ironic given that you're not citing any research; which implies that you're not reading.
" Read a variety of
February 27, 2008 - 15:43 ET by danbo" Read a variety of abstracts and papers - " Your words not mine.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
The Medieval Warming Period Existed
February 26, 2008 - 19:00 ET by PopularTechThe IPCC is a political report that relies on irrelevant climate Models as evidence of AGW. Your link states climate models repetitively. The fact remains there is ample evidence of the MWP being a global trend and the temperatures today not being unique.
20th Century Climate Not So Hot (Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics)
Greenland's Ice Yields Further Clues About Climate Change (Science Daily)
Marshes Tell Story Of Medieval Drought, Little Ice Age, And European Settlers Near NYC (Science Daily)
Middle Ages Were Warmer Than Today, Say Scientists (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Tree Rings Show a Period of Widespread Warming in Medieval Age (The New York Times)
Tree rings show Earth was warm 800 years ago (USA Today)
Warmer Periods In Alaskan Area Not Confined To Modern Times (Science Daily)
A 700 year record of Southern Hemisphere extratropical climate variability
(Annals of Glaciology, vol. 39, p.127-132, 2004)
- P.A Mayewski, K. Maasch, J.W.C White, E.J. Steig, E. Meyerson, I. Goodwin, V.I. Morgan, T. van Ommen, M.A.J. Curran, J. Sourney, K. Kreutz
Coherent High- and Low-Latitude Climate Variability During the Holocene Warm Period
(Science, Vol. 288. no. 5474, pp. 2198 - 2202, 23 June 2000)
- Peter deMenocal, Joseph Ortiz, Tom Guilderson, Michael Sarnthein
Evidence for a 'Medieval Warm Period' in a 1,100 year tree-ring reconstruction of past austral summer temperatures in New Zealand
(Geophysical Research Letters. Vol. 29, no. 14, pp. 12-1 to 12-4. 15 July 2002)
- E. R. Cook, J. G. Palmer, R. D'Arrigo
Evidence for the existence of the medieval warm period in China
(Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3, March, 1994)
- De'Er Zhang
Glacial geological evidence for the medieval warm period
(Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3, March, 1994)
- Jean M. Grove, Roy Switsur
Late Holocene surface ocean conditions of the Norwegian Sea (Vøring Plateau)
(Paleooceanography, Vol. 18, No. 2, 1044, 2003)
- Carin Andersson, Bjørg Risebrobakken, Eystein Jansen, Svein Olaf Dahl
Low-Frequency Signals in Long Tree-Ring Chronologies for Reconstructing Past Temperature Variability
(Science, Vol. 295. no. 5563, pp. 2250 - 2253, 22 March 2002)
- Jan Esper, Edward R. Cook, Fritz H. Schweingruber
Medieval climate warming and aridity as indicated by multiproxy evidence from the Kola Peninsula, Russia
(Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, Volume 209, Issues 1-4, Pages 113-125, 6 July 2004)
- K. V. Kremenetski, T. Boettger, G. M. MacDonald, T. Vaschalova, L. Sulerzhitsky, A. Hiller
Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age and 20th century temperature variability from Chesapeake Bay
(Global and Planetary Change, Volume 36, Issues 1-2, March 2003, Pages 17-29)
- T. M. Cronin, G. S. Dwyer, T. Kamiya, S. Schwede, D. A. Willard
Reconstructing Climatic and Environmental Changes of the Past 1000 Years: A Reappraisal
(Energy and Environment, Vol. 14, Issues 2 & 3, April 11, 2003)
- Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas, Sherwood B. Idso, Craig Idso, David R. Legates
The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period in the Sargasso Sea
(Science, Vol. 274. no. 5292, pp. 1503 - 1508, 29 November 1996)
- Lloyd D. Keigwin
The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warming in South Africa
(South African Journal of Science 96: 121-126, 2000)
- P. D. Tyson, W. Karlén, K. Holmgren and G. A. Heiss
The 'Mediaeval Warm Period' drought recorded in Lake Huguangyan, tropical South China
(Holocene, Vol. 12, no. 5, pp. 511-516, 2002)
- Guoqiang Chu, Jiaqi Liu, Qing Sun, Houyuan Lu, Zhaoyan Gu, Wenyuan Wang, Tungsheng Liu
The Medieval Warm Period in the Daihai Area
(Journal of Lake Sciences, Vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 209-216, Sep 2002)
- Z. Jin, J. Shen, S. Wang, E. Zhang
Tree-ring and glacial evidence for the medieval warm epoch and the little ice age in southern South America
(Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3, March, 1994)
- Ricardo Villalba
Was the Medieval Warm Period Global?
(Science, Vol. 291. no. 5508, pp. 1497 - 1499, 23 February 2001)
- Wallace S. Broecker
"The Little Ice Age and the subsequent warming were global in extent. Several Holocene fluctuations in snowline, comparable in magnitude to that of the post-Little Ice Age warming, occurred in the Swiss Alps. Borehole records both in polar ice and in wells from all continents suggest the existence of a Medieval Warm Period. Finally, two multidecade-duration droughts plagued the western United States during the latter part of the Medieval Warm Period. I consider this evidence sufficiently convincing to merit an intensification of studies aimed at elucidating Holocene climate fluctuations, upon which the warming due to greenhouse gases is superimposed."
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the wind
February 25, 2008 - 21:59 ET by Giles Winterbourne"A study presented at the meeting , suggests that a natural, temporary shift in the wind may have been largely to blame for the recent shrinkage of the Arctic ice pack." http://www.sciencema... (my bolding)
which morphs to "Winds, Ice Motion Root Cause"
Didn't they try this last
February 25, 2008 - 17:39 ET by kgDidn't they try this last year and had to call it off with temperatures well below freezing and frost bite after the first couple of days?
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
When can we just start
February 25, 2008 - 17:41 ET by Gary P JacksonWhen can we just start waterboarding these people? You know, for the children!
Forcast for Ellesmere Island: -45 degrees
February 25, 2008 - 18:13 ET by Gary HallForcast for Ellesmere Island at Eureka, Nunavut for tomorrow :Low will be -45 degrees, and the high is forcast for -32 degrees.
Hope they have a plesant trip.
One might note, that Ellesmere is higly active spot; hot sulfer springs, etc. Areas of the island have been described as a "thermal oasis." Steger and his team, if they can make it thru the ice from this winter's extremly harsh weather, should not have a difficult time sending a gulible Brian Walsh, and his readers, pictures which make it look like the place is, well, suddenly looking like a spa.
Do these "six young
February 25, 2008 - 18:40 ET by the strugglerDo these "six young adventurers" know what buffoon they're traveling to the ends of the earth WITH.
bring a rifle
February 25, 2008 - 18:54 ET by FAQsBecause those polar bears might "mistake" you for a seal and you might have to shoot one. And then later on you might feel a little bad about taking that whole sight seeing trip. On a side note, the thought of global warming activists sleeping outside in extreme freezing temperatures gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.
"polar world"
February 25, 2008 - 19:41 ET by wizardjrPolar world, or bi-polar world? There are two Americas. One contains sane, grounded individuals. The other contains the chicken littles hyperventilating over the current "we're all going to die" scenario. I wish they'd stay on their meds.
Thank you for archiving all of this Global Warming cr*p
February 25, 2008 - 20:44 ET by needleI think it is great that NewBusters is archiving all of this Global Warming cr*p. I cannot wait for when the MSM media-types are squirming and excusing themselves for their over-the-top idiocy.
You folks at NewsBusters had better use multiple back-ups, and take out all kinds of insurance. The MSM media-types have lots of friends who are “alleged terrorists,” like the sort of folks that are extremely touchy about certain kinds of religious jokes.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
What an idiot
February 25, 2008 - 22:17 ET by dbo"What they'll see may be startling," continued Walsh. "Climate change has already refashioned the geography of the Arctic
You mean like it did 150,000 years ago, and 500,000 years ago, and 1,000,000 years ago, and ...
Surf's up, arctic expedition!
February 25, 2008 - 23:43 ET by nkviking75Let's send them suntan oil and snorkels for their expedition.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
It does sound a bit like
February 25, 2008 - 23:52 ET by danboIt does sound a bit like those two women who attempted a trek to the North Pole last winter. To prove global warming. They were planning to swim accross the breaks in the ice.
They had to abandon their trek. One lost a few toes to frost bite. It never occured to them that one could run into some extreme weather up there in winter.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Wouldn't it be
February 26, 2008 - 02:01 ET by Mike From CanmoreWouldn't it be interesting if they had to defend themselves against the "ever increasingly rare" beasts? Things that make you hmmmm.
There are 2 types of politicians. Those who know AGW is a sham and stupid ones.