Gore: Global Warming 'Deniers' are Flat Earthers

By James Murray | March 28, 2008 - 09:03 ET

Despite mounting evidence contrary to his hysterical proclamations, former Vice President Al Gore, he of the massive carbon footprint and $30,000 utility bills, is still clinging to his discredited theory of global warming.

In an interview with Lesley Stahl to air on "60 Minutes" this Sunday, Gore piously declares those who don't buy his climate change theories are akin to crackpots who believe the earth is flat and don't believe man landed on the moon in 1969.

Apparently rather than debating the merits of his argument in a rational and reasoned manner, Gore is left only with ad hominem attacks and smug condescension toward his critics.

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Self-avowed "P.R. agent for the planet" Al Gore says those who still doubt that global warming is caused by man - among them, Vice President Dick Cheney - are acting like the fringe groups who think the 1969 moon landing never really happened, or who once believed the world is flat.

The former vice president and former presidential candidate talks to 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl in an interview to be broadcast this Sunday, March 30, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

Confronted by Stahl with the fact some prominent people, including the nation’s vice president, are not convinced that global warming is manmade, Gore responds: "You're talking about Dick Cheney. I think that those people are in such a tiny, tiny minority now with their point of view, they’re almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona and those who believe the world is flat,” says Gore. "That demeans them a little bit, but it's not that far off," he tells Stahl.

He basically calls critics insane, but that only demeans them a little bit.

The reason many people don't believe Gore and the global warming theorists is they have no proven scientific evidence to back up their often far-fetched claims. Gore seems to reside in a fantasy world of his own where evidence refuting his postulations is stubbornly ignored.

Perhaps it's no minor coincidence Gore waited until spring to return to the public eye considering this past winter was the coldest on record in the United States since 2001, Europe suffered from its greatest cold snap in decades and China was inundated by blizzards and had her coldest winter in a century.

Update: Noel Sheppard at 9:26 From the snippet in the preview provided by CBS, we're given the impression that Stahl is actually going to ask Gore some tough questions. Think she'll ask him:

  1. Why he refuses to debate folks on the other side of this issue?
  2. How much money he's already made selling this issue?
  3. How much money he stands to make if G-8 nations including the U.S. adopt carbon cap-and-trade policies?
  4. How tied he is directly to the primary carbon trading exchanges around the world?
  5. How much his presentation in "An Inconvenient Truth" is nullified by the fact that Mann's Hockey Stick, a central component to manmade global warming theory, has been proven totally erroneous?
  6. That a British judge found nine factual errors in Gore's movie?

Think any of these questions is on Stahl's list?

No, I don't either.

—James Murray is a New Jersey-based blogger

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what do you expect?

I mean, these are the same kind of people that follow Obama like a Messiah even after its learned he was mentored by a raging anti-American racist.

 

They are the most mindless people on the planet.

AGW has become a religion

Who needs the Messiah when you have the Goracle? 

Al Gore's Amen Corner (FrontPage Magazine)
Environmentalism as Religion (Michael Crichton, A.B. Anthropology, M.D. Harvard)
Gore Uses Religion to Attract 'Global Warming' Converts (CNSNews)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

not religion

Not a religion, but a CULT.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Where is he?

If there is a more unctious blowhard than Algore on the planet today, I don't know who it would be.

Since government is coercion, politics is largely the exercise of deception regarding the intended use of coercion - George Orwell

The only one I can think of

The only one I can think of who comes even close is that jacka$$ Chavez. 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

Al Gore will never deny the

Al Gore will never deny the existence of manmade global warming, because the "cause" made him who he is today--both in wealth and power.  This guy was a washed up has-been after the 2000 election; his own party wanted no part of him anymore.  The global warming scare has made him a worldwide phenomenon.

Al Gore Rich off the Hysteria? You Bet...

Just too tired to keep posting

all the links, etc. to proven science against this sham and huckster (guess that's "Dr. Huckster") most of which has already appeared on NB in the past.

I'm only left with the boiled-down statement:

"What a d*ck."

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

I agree Ignatz

it is tiring arguing this over and over, but it must be done. Nl207 and Pop Tech are doing most of the heavy lifting here, but it gets old seeing the same old BS debunked time and time again.

thanks, ROFLMAO

almost had a coffee and keyboard moment reading your post, thankfully I had put the cup down earlier

that really was a great post

I've got news for you.....

there are a heck of lot more of the "global warmers" that don't think the great US of A ever landed men on the moon than so called Flat Earthers (which we ain't)! I agree that there is nothing left to add regarding the jack-ass Dr. Gore except that I hope and pray that the Dems pull him out of their heaping stink pile as the nominee for POTUS.

 

 

 

This town needs an enema! - The Joker

Hey Al, what's the

Hey Al, what's the difference in saying "climate change" instead of "global warming." Isn't this an outright denial of the existence of nature. I realize that most politicians - including the three jackass' running for the top job and wannabe's like yourself - have a messiah complex. But, please save yourself from your own delusion before you make a run for earth czar or God.

Put youself in my place

I have no idea whether we are really in global warming, or whether it's temporary, or whether it's man-made, or whether there's anything we can do about it anyway. I don't even know how to evaluate the different positions on the topic. All I know is that a lot of scientists apparently agree with Gore, but a few respected scientists don't. I reject any persuasion that begins: "The overwhelming majority of people in the scientific community ..." since that's just asking me to blindly jump on their bandwagon. Gore may be right, or he could be completely wrong. I have absolutely no idea, and I'll bet most people are like me.

How do you make a judgment about an issue when you know nothing about it? It comes down to trust. It's the same reason why you pick a doctor. You admit that you don't know the best answer yourself, so you have to rely on someone, and that involves trust.

I certainly don't trust Al Gore on a topic like this, nor do I appreciate Al Gore claiming that to disagree with him is insane. In fact, that kind of smug self-adoration is the kind of thing that makes me skeptical. Gore makes me skeptical. And therefore, like his presidential candidacy, Gore is his own worst enemy. The more he appears, the more skeptical I become.

IMHO - First...

...more than just a few scientists disagree with Dr. ALGore (by what I've read/seen/heard).

 Second...when I find myself perplexed by the "facts" I read, watch, listen and learn as much as I can. This way I minimize my own "ignorance factor". I'm funny that way. Doing this very thing has helped ME to the conclusion that not only is Dr. ALGore a conman, but he AND his "Man-made Global Warming" ilk line up like peas in a pod.

Third...I have not trusted Dr. ALGore since before he hooked his wagon to the Clintonista tractor. 

Al Gore is a Hypocrite

Doomsday is coming and we should all stop driving while he flys around in a private jet. Oil is bad yet he owned stock in an oil company. We should protect the environment while he profits off a zinc mine that polluted a river in his own town. The best is that we should all take a personal energy ethics pledge Gore gives us but he will not take his own pledge! Hypocrite is spelled G O R E.

Al Gore and Global Warming - Is He a Hypocrite? (Video) (10min)
Al Gore's Gulfstream (Video) (7min)
Al Gore, Environmentalist and Zinc Miner (The Wall Street Journal)
- Environmentalist Gore allowed zinc mine (USA Today)
Al Gore's Inconvenient Toxic Waste Dump (NewsMax)
Al Gore, polluter? (WorldNetDaily)
Al Gore Refuses to Take Personal Energy Ethics Pledge (US Senate Environment & Public Works Committee)
Al Gore: The Other Oil Candidate (CorpWatch)
Bush's Ranch House 'Far More Eco-Friendly' Than Gore's (CNSNews)
- George W. Bush's eco-friendly ranch compared to Al Gore's energy-expending mansion = True (Snopes)
Eco-warrior Al Gore serves up endangered fish at daughter's party (Daily Mail, UK)
Gore home's energy use: 20 times average (WorldNetDaily)
- Al Gore's residence uses considerably more energy than the average American home = True (Snopes)
Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe (USA Today)
Hypocrite Gore Should Practice What He Preaches (The Tech, MIT)
Integrity in the Balance: Al Gore's Record On the Environment (CorpWatch)
Meet the real Al Gore (WorldNetDaily)
Occidental Petroleum Corporation Connections (The Wall Street Journal)
Old-Growth Timber used to Rebuild the Veranda of the Vice Presidential Mansion (Newsweek)
Whose Ox Is Gored? The Former Vice President's Environmental Exaggerations and Hypocrisy (The Wall Street Journal)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Thousands of Scientists Disagree with Al Gore

KC hits the mark

"I reject any persuasion that begins: "The overwhelming majority of people in the scientific community ..." since that's just asking me to blindly jump on their bandwagon."  ... "How do you make a judgment about an issue when you know nothing about it? It comes down to trust. It's the same reason why you pick a doctor. You admit that you don't know the best answer yourself, so you have to rely on someone, and that involves trust. "

KC, your statements pinpoint why I view the "AGW movement" as a religious movement - in the absence of proof, it requires I place my trust and faith in their credo. But I have no basis for thus placing my trust, because they have not come up with anything remotely plausible. They are entirely without credibility.

And while I appreciate all the citations that PopTech posts here, they are more technical than I can use in an everyday conversation. So I have developed a dialog that quickly turns on the light bulb over the heads of some of my kids' classmates:

++++++++

You studied electricity and magnetism this year. What happens in a motor when you keep applying power, but hold back the armature?

Heat? Right! And where does that heat come from?

Right! The opposing electro-magnetic fields!

And does the Earth have such a field?

Yes! And so do the Sun and other planetary bodies.

So, if (1) the Earth's magnetic field interacts with the Sun and other planetary bodies, and (2) data shows the Earth's magnetic field flips about every 40,000 years (I think we should wonder why and how this happens...perhaps the Earth's fluid metal core is shifting?), and (3) we are currently seeing an increase in Earth's magnetic field fluctuations (which some scientists think may be the precursors to another flip), is there ANY possibility that an increase in global climate temperatures could be related to HEAT generated by the interaction of gravitational and magnetic forces? Just maybe?

YES! there IS such a possibility!  

So if there's a possibility of such massive forces at work, do we have "conclusive evidence" that man has caused Global Warming?

No!

But the AGW zealots haven't addressed this, have they?

Right again! The "A" in AGW is where they've stuck their heads! (Triple entendre intended, but not often caught...)

++++++++ 

And away we go, having de-programmed one or two more kids...

Climate IS about science and NOT about faith.

AGW is a religious movement, and should NOT be promoted by our government...

Global Warming Short Course...

This is about as quick and as non-technical you can get to learn where the skeptics are coming from:

20/20: Give Me a Break: Global Warming (Video) (8min)

The Case for Skepticism on Global Warming (Michael Crichton, A.B. Anthropology, M.D. Harvard)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Here's What Al Gore Is ...

... a false prophet, a tare, a Hymaenus, an Alexander, a Korah, an Esau, a Doeg, an Elihu, a man of Endor, a Jeroboam, a Cain, and a Caiphas.

2 Peter 2:1, 13-19

(1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies [outrageous lies], even denying the Lord that bought them [has Al Gore ever even MENTIONED Jesus Christ?], and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

(13) And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

(14) Having eyes full of [spiritual] adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls : a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

(15) Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

(16) But was rebuked for his iniquity : the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbade the madness of the prophet.

(17) These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest: to whom the mist of darkness is reserved forever.

(18) For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness [incontinence ... uncontrolled thoughts and emotions]. (Yet, those that are clean have escaped from them who live in error.)

(19) While they promise them liberty [Al Gore ... Mr. Manbearpig ... thinks he's out to save the world], they themselves are the servants of corruption : for of whom a man is overcome [philosophically], of the same is he brought into [spiritual] bondage.

 

 

I recently saw most of

I recently saw most of Gore's followers in a documentary called Planet Terror. I also believe a lot of followers of Obama were in this same film.

60 minutes is shameless in

60 minutes is shameless in their constant hyping of the AGW schtick.  Demean this, Algore!

i'm super super sereal, manbearpig is out there

i only wish i could wear my shirt at work that says

al gore didn't invent the internet, but he did make up global warming

but i have to wear my dress shirt. so al gore is once again calling us all stooopid for not believing in his lie, well texas a&m did a recent phone pole and it found what seemed to be to their dismay that the more educated a person is about global warming, climate change, differential spherical thermal equilibrium, roundness hotness capitalists makus (i'm trying out new names that the socialists will come up with for their global warming scam. you think if i could copyright them then i could sue if they used them. maybe i could sigle handedly end global warming with a copyright infringement lawsuit.) anyway, the more educated a person is about the lie global warming is the less likely they believe man has anything to do with or even it exists.

http://www.eurekaler...

oh nooooo, the public tide is turning on big al, can he survive this next public embarassment, or, when this chicken that didn't roast under the heat of global warming come home to roost, will he finally just eat himself into a cardiac arrest in bed while sobbing uncontrolably as tears roll down his cheeks onto his chest and then roll sideways into his armpits while his greasy chin resting on his fat chest with specks of fired chicken crust from the boxes of KFC surrounding him that he only ate the chicken skins and left the meat sitting in the bucket.(yeah i kinda lifted that idea from cartman eating all the chicken skins, but isn't that just a great mental picture of big al.) death by cholesterol.

ps you think it was JUST a coincidence that al gore was on tv calling everyone who doesn't believe stooopid at the same time this report comes out.

lunaticcringeradio

Manbearpig is out to GET you ...

... I'm SUPER cereal.

South Park really nails it. If you want a good look (and a good laugh) at the essence of Al Gore's global warming crusade check out South Park's "Manbearpig" episode ...

Here : http://mrtwig.net/ep/1006.html

Or here (if you want to stream the episode) : http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/1006/

You can get a bit torrent client here : http://www.bittorrent.com/download.html

And the Real Player here (to play the .ram files) : http://www.real.com/

Be sure to download the (.RM) torrent and not the (.AVI) torrent ... it can take 30 minutes or more to get the .avi file (even though it will play in Windows Media Player).

Note : The VLC media player can play .rm files, too : http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html

Science and math is your

Science and math is your friend. A little history doesn't hurt either. I wonder how many states are breaking all time snow records this year? I know the one we have a house in is, and we could use some more global warming. Can't see the road for the snow.

CO2 is an atmospheric trace gas, used for photosyntheses in plants, can't effect anything except people's minds. Plants take in CO2 and use the sun to make oxygen. Mmmmmm Oxygen. The real greenhouse culprit is water vapor(clouds), which accounts for about 95% of the Earth's greenhouse effect, compared to about 0.03% for CO2.

Oh yeah, as a aside, the computer models don't take into account water vapor, the modelers don't know how to do this.

So far neither the land based temperature records, revised to get rid of the alGore fudge and errors, the ARGO sea buoys, nor the satellites can find any sign global warming induced by CO2 -- It must not be there, right. So why can't the satellites find the unique signature of CO2 that the models all predict? About 90% of the Earth's heat is held in the oceans, which ARGO says are cooling.

All man's temperature records agree, the Earth is cooling slightly. Bet you haven't heard this on TV have you? The correlation between CO2 and temperature is low, less that 0.2, the correlation between the temperature and the sun's ouput is high, greater than 0.8. Highest r2 is 1.0.

I have a simple question. If the computer models, that's all this hoax is based on, are so accurate then let us test them. Simple test, initialize the models for the observed conditions in 1979 and predict the weather in 2007. Why 1979 start date, first time man had satellite based observations. Shhhh, down in front, you're snickering. You must know, but please don't tell anyone what the answer is ...

If you want to know what is really going on with Earth's ever changing climate, I suggest a Book by Dr Spencer ... "Climate Confusion."

Al Gore is a quack. 

10k, great response. In

10k, great response. In fact I'm going to copy and paste the math/science parts (with your approval) onto a business card sized handout. So rather than wasting my time and breath with the "fact suppressors" I'll just hand them the card ... maybe even give them the ole "stink hand", too (Kevin Smith's "Mall Rats" reference).

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

attention criminals, city will shut off lights 8 to 9 for earth

apparently there is a city out ther that is planning to shut off as many lights as it can to save the planet and to obvious make a silly gesture that willbe grossly over emphisized in it's scope and effectiveness all in an effort to perpetuate this socialist anti-capitalist global warming scam and probably to discredit our need for oil that we should be drilling for in anwar and off florida. it'll all be done to promote conservation as the only energy solution.

http://www.showmenew...

ok criminals here's your break, i'm curious to see what the shoplifting, mugging, and sexual assault numbers are after this crazy haired event. they did the same thing in australia last year in response to a drought. yes i said drought. apparently there is a direct link to rainfall and lightbulbs working. i haven't figured that one out yet but of course i'm a stooopid flat earther. i'm not smart enough to link rainfall and lightbulbs yet. so all criminals you have a helping hand for one hour all city lights will be shut off in columbia, i assume ohio?

does this mean traffic lights too? they did say all lights.

lunaticcringeradio

Sad. Very sad.

As a Mizzou alumnus and former Columbia, MO resident, this makes me sad and ashamed. I guess I'm not too surprised, though, Columbia has always had its fair share of lefties.

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Its fair share of lefties?

Its fair share of lefties? We call it San Fransisco, MO! Good restaurants though (Sophia's, CC Broiler, Boone Tavern, etc.).

“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)


"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB

Lunatic, your wrong about

Lunatic, your wrong about the one city, there are 26 cities that are turning out the lights

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

i thought i heard about more, what are the other cities

but that one i was sure of. i think i will in sheer defiance against liberal smugness and socialist superiority i will turn on all my lights for an hour here in phx. i can afford that litl bit to protest.

lunaticcringeradio

YES YES YES Here in

YES YES YES

Here in Chicago we are falling victim to this.

I will be protesting by lighting up my whole damn house.

If PETA can throw paint on fur coats, and give my kids "comic books" in front of KFC about how the chickens are killed so that we may eat them, I can protest this in the way i am goign to.

 I will have most of my appliances on, all my TV's all steros, all computers, hell i may just have my cars running for that hour.

 

this is an example of small baby steps towards socialism, rolling black outs,  and I refuse to be a part of it.

 

 

I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist

God forbid one should question Dr. Gore.

Why, those mean-spirited conservatives must want those cute cuddly polar bears to DROWN!!

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Gore has it Backwards.

Gore has his analogies backwards. At one time the Flat Earthers formed the scientific consensus.  Those that thought the Earth was "round" were  (to use his disgracefully perjoritive term) "deniers".

Gore does not  display (at least publicly) a real understanding of the scientific process. Consensus does not matter in science. Truth matters. Many consensus theories (such as flat earth) were wrong. New theories emerge only when brave souls knock down the established scientific orthodoxy, often at grave cost.

 

allanf -- good spot. We

allanf -- good spot.

We should start referring to the bass-ackwards dope as La Erog!

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

From CBS's web site

Stahl also visits the Gore's Nashville home, recently refitted with touches that include roof solar panels that make it more environmentally friendly.

Wow, he has finally after 3 years of public ridicule of his hypocrisy re-invested one mega zillionth of one percent on the over one hundred million dollars he has literally pilfered from innocent dupes all over the world. He's not just an ordinary man. He's a manbearpig.

KC


Science and math is your friend. A little history doesn't hurt either
.--10ksnooker

10ksnook says it all. I started out knowing nothing about AGW but one day I ran into a zealot who was convinced we'd be doomed in 10 years (8 left now!). After doing a little net research, I questioned her about AGW, bringing up contrary views, and thereafter she refused to talk to me.

This is what people mean when they call AGW alarmism a religion.

As for the subject, it is confusing at first when one has limited scientific background but slowly one begins to form an opinion--an educated one. Trust your intellect. A genuine skeptic reserves the right to change his or her mind if she comes across new data which makes it necessary. That is the only honest way to deal with scientific truths.

So far on climate change I am more convinced everyday that it is a scam---a word I wouldn't have gone so far as to use a year ago. Today I am more frustrated than ever as I watch recent developments in the political arena (the Lieberman bill, the EU's ambitious pride) and upon hearing how Gore goes round blatantly insulting anyone who does not agree with him.

 

Thanks

My background is in philosophy, so I don't presume to know anything at all about climatology. I've read a few articles here and there, but they all seem to be written by "true believers," and that does me no good. Yes, I've seen the Gore documentary. I'm biased against documentaries, because they present the film-makers' side of the story in the most attractive light, and they control counter-arguments ... which is exactly what Gore's film did.

I want to hear Al Gore stand up in front of a panel of scientists who dispute him, and answer their questions. If he has such a slam-dunk case, let him show it by answering the questions. I promise to listen. But I'm not holding my breath.

As mentioned on another

As mentioned on another thread:

Here is a link to a story from The Australian which was featured on a local radio program this morning. Too bad we won't hear anything about this story from the msm.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

This really blows a hole through the theory that the earth is warming. I give up though, it will fall on deaf ears.

As to the update questions:

Remember that Al has said, "...it's already been settled" and "balance is bias." Plus, he's made a boatload of money pitching his load of crap and the msm used it to make fertile lies.

So ... no. Why would she ask for proof? 

Why will Al Gore not Debate?

It should be easy to make a "flat earther" look bad in a debate. Yet Al Gore will not debate anyone...

Dennis T. Avery Challenges Al Gore to a Debate (The Heartland Institute)
Lord Christopher Monckton Challenges Al Gore to a Debate (Center for Science and Public Policy)
Ivy League Professor Bets Al Gore $10,000 He’s Wrong About Global Warming (NewsBusters)
Why Won’t Al Gore Debate? (The Heartland Institute)
Will Al Gore Melt? If not, why did he chicken out on an interview? (The Wall Street Journal)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

PT... Why should he

PT...

Why should he debate?

Isn't he one of those people that says the debate is OVER? 

"Abstain from McCain"

Scientific Method? Who needs that?

I almost forgot that science is not decided by the scientific method anymore you just simply declare it so and it is!

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

All of this goes far beyond issues of science...

All of this goes far beyond issues of science or the scientific method, of course. Al Gore is much more interested in the implementation of his loony political schemes than global warming. I do think, however, that he basks in the glow of his deranged minions' adoration.

We must not underestimate his intent or his willingness to achieve power, irrespective of the cost or price.

Inventor of GW

And why would the inventor of Global Warming debate? He's got a Nobel (recently devalued to $0.24 per ton). What Al needs is a patent like the software patents in the U.S. Any made up idea can be patented now so he could charge $0.25 per mention of GW, pay for his anti-green home, and buy a bunch more Nobels.

you can add junkscience.com to the list

they ponied up some serious money (100,000 I believe) in a debate challenge to the Goracle, no dice

he knows he's toast if he has to debate based on the current science facts and he doesn't want to endanger his cash flows

Flat Earthers? Seems to

Flat Earthers?

Seems to me that Al's brain waves have Flat-Lined!

 

"Abstain from McCain"

Heresy!...I tell ya, it's heresy!

That's funny, we are called flat earthers because we question the myth of the factually-challenged AGW theory.

Al and his AGW cultists sound more like the geocentric zealots that charged Copernicus as a heretic for questioning their belief with his heliocentric theory.

[ Al...you still have not explained how the SUN factors into Global Climate Change. ]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

The Sun does not exist to Al Gore

In the past they are sure climate was driven by the Sun but since the 1970s no more! Now man is in charge. It is amazing how powerful we have become - more powerful than the Sun.

"The sun is a nuclear reactor the size of a million Earths and burns 600 million tons of hydrogen a second."

None of the following evidence exists according to Gore...

The persistent role of the Sun in climate forcing (The Danish National Space Center)

"...over the past 20 years the solar cycle remains fully apparent in variations both of tropospheric air temperature and of ocean subsurface water temperature. [...]

When the response of the climate system to the solar cycle is apparent in the troposphere and ocean, but not in the global surface temperature, one can only wonder about the quality of the surface temperature record. For whatever reason, it is a poor guide to Sun-driven physical processes that are still plainly persistent in the climate system. [...]

...one cannot distinguish between the effects of anthropogenic gases such as carbon dioxide and of natural greenhouse gases. For example, increased evaporation means that infrared radiation from water vapor, by far the most important greenhouse gas, will tend to provide positive feedback for any global warming, ... In any case, the most recent global temperature trend is close to zero. [...]

The continuing rapid increase in carbon dioxide concentrations during the past 10-15 years has apparently been unable to overrule the °attening of the temperature trend as a result of the Sun settling at a high, but no longer increasing, level of magnetic activity. Contrary to the argument of Lockwood and FrÄohlich, the Sun still appears to be the main forcing agent in global climate change."

100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles (Science Daily)
Basic physics supports solar activity as cause of global warming (The Guardian, UK)
Canadian Climatologist Says Sun Causing Global Warming (Dennis Avery, M.S. Agricultural Economics)
Changes In Sun’s Intensity Tied To Recurrent Droughts In Maya Region (Science Daily)
Cosmic Rays and Climate (The Danish National Space Center)
Cosmic Rays Blamed for Global Warming (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Cosmic Rays 'Linked to Clouds' (BBC)
Cosmic Rays Linked To Global Warming (Science Daily)
Cosmoclimatology: A new theory of climate change (The Danish National Space Center)
Evidence For Sun-climate Link Reported By UMaine Scientists (Science Daily)
Fluctuations in the Sun may be changing climate (The Times, UK)
Solar Variability and Climate Change (Willie Soon, Ph.D. Astrophysics)
Exploding Stars Influence Climate Of Earth (Space Daily)
Ice cores show sun, not humans, controlling Earth's climate (Dennis Avery, M.S. Agricultural Economics)
It's the Sun, Stupid (Steve Milloy, B.A. Natural Sciences, M.S. Health Sciences)
Holes In Sun's Corona Linked To Atmospheric Temperature Changes On Earth (Science Daily)
NASA Finds Sun-Climate Connection in Old Nile Records (NASA)
NASA Study Finds Increasing Solar Trend That Can Change Climate (NASA)
New Analysis Shows Earth's Lower Stratosphere In Synch With Solar Cycle (Science Daily)
New Experiment To Investigate Effect Of Galactic Cosmic Rays On Clouds And Climate (Science Daily)
Northern Climate, Ecosystems Driven By Cycles Of Changing Sunlight (Science Daily)
Read the sunspots (Tim Patterson, Ph.D. Professor of Geology)
Regional Variation In Warming From Sun During Solar Cycle Shown By Satellite (Science Daily)
Scientists blame sun for global warming (BBC)
Solar blow to low cloud could be warming planet (Nature News)
Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms (Space.com)
Sun's Direct Role In Global Warming May Be Underestimated, Duke Physicists Report (Science Daily)
Sun more active than for a millennium (NewScientist)
Sun, Not Man, Main Cause of Climate Change, New Study Says (CNSNews)
Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming (Space.com)
Sun still main force in climate change (WorldNetDaily)
Sun's warming influence 'under-estimated' (BBC)
Sunspots: correlations with temperature (Luboš Motl, Ph.D. Theoretical Physicist, Harvard)
Surface Warming And The Solar Cycle (Science Daily)
The Solar to Global Warming Connection (Jim Goodridge, Retired State Climatologist)
The Sun's Chilly Impact On Earth (Science Daily)
The Sun and Global Warming (NASA)
The Sun Is More Active Now Than Over The Last 8000 Years (Science Daily)
The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Viewpoint: The Sun and climate change (BBC)
Why So Hot? Don't Blame Man, Blame the Sun (Sallie Baliunas, Ph.D. Astrophysics)

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^^ Thanks

^^ Thanks poptech!

Algore's a pretty bad liberal it seems: he doesn't want to hear a differing opinion (ie not open-minded and tolerant) about a myth that's been thoroughly shattered by facts!

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

PT...too easy

It would be too easy and unprofitable for Albore to attribute Global Climate Change to the big burning ball of gas in the sky.

Al is laughable and so, unfortunately, is the Nobel Prize that he received. They have devalued its importance and integrity by giving it to Al Gore, non-scientist.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Sanctimonous Al ...

I didn't know that "sanctimony" was actually an argument. This is just a microcosm of how St. Al would have conducted himself as Commander in Chief. Anyone who disagrees with him is a "flat-earther".

I think global warming is actually a byproduct of St. Al's (manmade) halo ....

hmm...flat earth...is that

hmm...flat earth...is that anything like Gore's flat head?

hmm...flat earth...is that

whoops, double post.

JM - "NJ blogger"

Hey cool! Another JM fighting the AGW hysteria in NJ! Contact me in private message if you want to talk about blocking the playing of Gore's IT in schools...

-JohnM

I've always found the AGW

I've always found the AGW debate to be rather uncompelling. Never really gotten into it either way. If there's anything that's made me think it might be for real, it has nothing to do with Gore or the johnny-come-lately environmentalists; it has to do with the fact that Stephen Hawking believes in it.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Hawking believes in a lot of

Hawking believes in a lot of strange things these days...I think his age is getting to him.

JasonC, I'm in a similar

JasonC,

I'm in a similar boat as you (maybe a little more into it). 

I just don't understand why people are so outraged with the claim that we are having a negative impact on our climate.

We've had clear, demonstrable, concrete examples of humans ruining their land, water, & animal life, why would it be so outrageous to find out that we are doing the same to our climate?

Seems reasonable to me.

I am Outraged by the Propaganda

We are having a negative impact on the Climate? Really? Please prove it using the scientific method - after you can't leave your emotional arguments at home. Wanting something to be true does not make it so. This is why the scientific method exists.

Pollution has nothing to do with "global warming". But this is all part of the propaganda. Carbon Dioxide is NOT Carbon Monoxide.

"CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving – I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality."
- Richard S. Lindzen Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology MIT

The Kyoto Protocol is a treaty to regulate 'Greenhouse Gases' only:
- Carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Methane (CH4)
- Nitrous oxide (N2O) (Laughing Gas, Nitrous, NOS)
- Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
- Perfluorocarbons (PFCs)
- Sulphur hexafluoride (SF6)

Car Exhaust consists of:
Harmless:
- Carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Nitrogen (N2)
- Water vapor (H2O)
Some Pollutants:
- Carbon monoxide (CO) *
- Hydrocarbons or Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) *
- Nitric oxide (NO) *
- Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) *
- Particulate matter (PM-10) *
- Sulfur dioxide (SO2) *

* Your car's Catalytic Converter removes about 95% of these pollutants by converting them to Water and Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

Smog consists of:
- Ozone (O3) * (formed from the photochemical reaction of Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) + Hydrocarbons)
- Particulate matter (PM-10) *
- Sulfur dioxide (SO2) *

* Air Pollution is already regulated in the: 1970 Clean Air Act (Amended: 1977, 1990)

If you are worried about "ruining" the land, water ect... then you need to go to countries that do not have the United States high level of environmental regulation and pollution standards. There is a reason it is safe to drink our tap water and not the tap water in Mexico.

- Water Pollution is already regulated in the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (Amended: - Clean Water Act of 1977, Water Quality Act of 1987)

Playing the emotional guilt trip via propaganda is the only way to "sell" AGW otherwise there would be no debate, you could simply prove it using the scientific method.

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Steven Hawking sounds slightly ridiculous....

He said he was afraid that Earth "might end up like Venus, at 250 degrees centigrade and raining sulfuric acid." - Steven Hawking, 2006

Well um... yeah and um... you know... yeah ok.

On the other hand Freeman Dyson is very skeptical, especially of "catastrophe"

Heretical Thoughts About Science and Society (Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of Physics, Princeton University)

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Why you should care about the Global Warming Debate $$$

Because if you don't this is going to wind up costing you money - a lot of it. You will pay more for energy, electrical, heating oil, gas ect...

Beware of Cap and Trade Climate Bills (The Heritage Foundation)
Cap-and-Trade Could Cost the Average Family $10,800 in Lost Income (US Newswire)

New Study Shows Hefty Price Tag for McCain-Lieberman Bill (The Heartland Institute)

- McCain-Lieberman would cost the average U.S. household at least $1,300 per year by 2010, rising to at least $2,300 per year by 2020
- McCain-Lieberman would cost the U.S. economy at least 250,000 jobs in 2010, and at least 610,000 jobs by 2020
- McCain-Lieberman would force at least a 31% rise in electricity prices by 2010, and at least a 43% rise in electricity prices by 2020
- McCain-Lieberman would force at least a 23% rise in gasoline prices by 2010, and at least a 37% rise in gasoline prices by 2020

We already have environmental regulation of REAL pollution:

- Air Pollution is already regulated in the: 1970 Clean Air Act (Amended: 1977, 1990)

- Water Pollution is already regulated in the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (Amended: - Clean Water Act of 1977, Water Quality Act of 1987)

You think gas prices are high now? Wait until the nonsensical "global warming" regulation gets passed! Wake up people.

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It is not the skeptics of

It is not the skeptics of an hypothesis who have to prove it's erroneous, it's the proponents who have to prove it.

Until the Globalarmists prove their "theory", they have to be the ones who are considered to be flat-earthers.

People stopped believing Chicken Little after the sky didn't fall.

So we who challenge Al Gore

So we who challenge Al Gore are "flat earthers"?  What does that make a Divinity School FAILURE who's more concerned about a rock concert in Europe than he is in seeing to it that his junkie son doesn't use his Prius to kill anyone on the 5 Freeway?

This just in!!!

THICK ICE HINDERS CONTROVERSIAL SEAL HUNT!!  Read all about it!

If global warming was a reality, the seals would all DIE!!! Horrible DEATHS!  

...OK.  I ran out of exclamations points so I have to stop now.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

KC

I've read a few articles here and there, but they all seem to be written by "true believers," and that does me no good.

Go to the sources---the science and the scientists and scientific organizations--on both sides of the issue. Read both Pielke sites and RealClimate and The Reference Frame. There is no reason why you should shy away from forming a solid opinion you can back up with data one way or the other even if it ends up being at odds with the skeptics here.

I took a look for myself.

I have a bachelor of science degree.

It is in one of the social sciences, but in my home state the core curriculumn required enough of the natural sciences that I am sure I could evaluate what I saw reasonably well. I did look into the AGW issue and checked a variety of sources. I went a bit further than Al Gore in that I also included what the Anthropological discipline has which weighed in on the issue, something that somehow gets left out of the IPCC reports and Al Gore. My minor was in Anthropology. I also looked at historical data which bears on the subject. After all of that, I concluded that if man has any reponsibility, then it has to be the hot air which Al gore and his cronies are blowing about more than anything else.

Seriously, the historical data, backed up by anthropological data, is that the MWP was hotter than today, and worldwide. That is something which Al gore, et.al., deny. And the historical data is concsistent with the earth beginning the current warming period long before automobiles became a factor with their CO2. Yet Al Gore and company ignore that inconvenient truth.

There is more than just a little evidence that current recorded temperature spikes are skewed by the heat island effect, another thing denied by Al Gore. And considering how sattelites were not around to record the extent of ice sheets in the 1930s, when the temperatures were higher than today, just how can folks say that the reduction in both artic and antartic ice sheets is somehow unprecedented is a mystery to me.

From the perspective of one who doesn't have a vested interest in the issue because I don't rely on research grants from folks with agendas, it appears to me that the emperor is wearing no clothes.

Algore didn't invent the internet

 but he did invent global warming. If the 'flat earthers" are so stupid why won't Algore debate them?

My undergraduate major

My undergraduate major was anthrop. As I was taking a good bit of archaeology, I also took a good bit of geology. Which helps in archaeology.

I would have to ignore way too much to accept AGW. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

I have a confession

There are two public discussions that I won't pretend to investigate any more. One is free trade, and the other is global warming. I tried to make sense of them, but there were too many conflicting experts, each with "facts" that were beyond my amateur ability to critique. So I've pretty much given up on them. In both cases, the learning curve to master the arguments requires more than I'm willing to give. Don't get me wrong, I agree that these are important subjects. But I learned, a long time ago, that I ain't gonna learn everything. I just ain't that smart. So, I pick my battles. I choose battles about philosophy, religion, politics, game theory, logic, Ireland, and a couple others. For the rest, I sit back and soak in what I can from other people. For those, I rely on trusting people. (No complaints - it's been mostly working so far.)

From that point of view, I go back to my original post. Global warming is a mystery to me, but that ain't the end of the world. I can live with it. However, the price of my "pragmatic ignorance" is that I have to trust others to explore the thinking that I'm unwilling to do.

What's interesting to me, from a purely philosophical view, is that Gore deliberately exploits my kind of ignorance. He knows that I have no way to contradict him directly. But he makes a mistake when he tries to exploit my ignorance by assuming that I have to trust him. Just because he claims that the debate is over, and he labels his critics as "deniers," he thinks it will force me to trust him. But quite the opposite ... it makes me suspect him even more.

"Global" Warming? Tell that to the Canadians and the Russians.

Walking out my front door every morning works for me ... no "global" warming in my neck of the woods.

Al Gore's "globalwarmingtology" crusade smacks of the "Butterfly Effect" (which says that a butterflies w