Geraldo: Daily Caller Scribe's Incivility Akin to 'Interrupting Lincoln' During Gettysburg Address
Move over, Obama Boy -- you've got serious competition from Geraldo Rivera.
Talking with GOP Rep. Allen West on his WABC radio show yesterday, Rivera made a fawningly inane analogy to describe Daily Caller reporter Neil Munro's unmitigated gall in attempting to ask questions at a presidential news conference (audio) --
RIVERA: First of all, let me just get you on the protocol issue. Do you agree with me that it was totally out of line for the Daily Caller blogger guy to interrupt the president's statement?
WEST: Well, I think the thing is, you know, the media's supposed to have an opportunity to ask questions. I don't know if they were told they would not get the opportunity to do so. But as far as White House protocol, you should have allowed the president to finish and then ask for questions and the president in due respect to the media that was there should have taken those questions.RIVERA: It would, it's like interrupting Lincoln during the Gettysburg Address or the Emancipation Proclamation.
WEST: Yeah, but also, I mean, I've had many a town hall event where, you know, there have been some pretty nasty epithets shouted at me. So, you know, there are jerks on both sides ...GERALDO (laughs): OK, I grant you that, I grant you that.
Am I reading too much into Rivera's remarks to wonder if he's aware that the Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order, not a speech delivered by Lincoln?
Henceforth the Obama administration might want to signal when questions will be allowed from the media and when reporters will be expected to emulate statuary.
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And for anybody who hasn't
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 1:01pm.
And for anybody who hasn't figured out what a moron Jerry Rivers is..................................interupting Boy Baraka during the Catch, Release, and Vote Address or the Illeglaization Proclamation!!!
Oh I see.......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 1:45pm.
Whorealdo is upset that the "King" was interrupted during his decree speech.....but they say NOTHING about Sam Donaldson constantly interrupting Reagan during his speeches. This double standard REEKS of hypocrisy!!!!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Moron
Submitted by allouchsit on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 1:01pm.
Geraldo is a moron. Comparing Lincoln's Gettysburg Address to Obama's public announcement that he intends to violate his oath of office by refusing to enforce laws passed by Congress is insane and moronic. What more needs to be said?
Agreed
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 1:09pm.
Rivera's absurd analogy is a grievous insult to Lincoln and arguably the most eloquent Presidential speech ever delivered.
And Lincoln didn't even need a teleprompter.
Rarely can I read or hear read the Gettysburg Address without emotions rising within me. But I have never heard Obama say anything that sounded true or heartfelt. He's a con man.
memo to Geraldo
Submitted by lotr on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 1:02pm.
While hyperbole may garner attention, it doesn't do much for one's credibility, although I suppose that's par for the course for you.
Where's BOR when you need him for a good smackdown?
You gotta remember, maybe now
Submitted by texastommy on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 1:13pm.
You gotta remember, maybe now Geraldo can get a legal green card.
Geraldo is the Pride of the University of Arizona!
Submitted by frank14 on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 1:29pm.
They will admit a rock.
That's true, but a rock will
Submitted by texastommy on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 1:50pm.
That's true, but a rock will flunk out after two or three years.
Geraldo is an Idiot
Submitted by Free Stinker on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 2:06pm.
Even Scott Adams (Dilbert) makes fun of him.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
The administration's responsibility?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 2:09pm.
"Henceforth the Obama administration might want to signal when questions will be allowed from the media and when reporters will be expected to emulate statuary."
No, it should be incumbent upon the Daily Caller--assuming the website wishes to retain its WH press privileges--to instruct its reporters regarding the observance of basic protocol for asking questions of a President of the United States. Obviously Mr. Munro was either unaware of or unconcerned with the procedure.
As far as Geraldo, who cares what he says or thinks.
Jer
It is Nature's responsibility, in that to ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 7:31pm.
maintain an acceptable balance, all the liberal and Democrat Party ass kissing of the disgustingly worthless political hack Obama must be evened out by someone taking a different tack.
Obama deserves nothing in the way of tact.
In fact; his lack, of both character and desire or ability to watch America's back; and his policies; should be under constant attack.
Doesn't happen nearly enough, though; liberals in today's media, with their toxic bias, should be given the sack.
MD
Good grief,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 9:39pm.
Some one dared to ask a question, as our fearless dictator decided to give another lecture.
So Jer, why didnt he just hand out a press release? Why did Obama feel the need to gather all the jernolistas around him if he wasn't going to answer for his decree?
As far as I am concerned, Munro is the only person there that had any courage to ask what we all want to know. We sure wouldnt had been able to count on you! BTW, has Obama answered any questions concerning that yet, NO of course not. But lets all jump on Munro for daring to ask.
Jer, as I said above..............................
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:01pm.
"Whorealdo is upset that the "King" was interrupted during his decree speech.....but they say NOTHING about Sam Donaldson constantly interrupting Reagan during his speeches. This double standard REEKS of hypocrisy!!!!"
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
BEGRUNT...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:14pm.
I'll need to see evidence of Donaldson's "constantly interrupting Reagan during his speeches." Granted, he was very aggressive with ALL presidents he covered, but not in the inexcusable and unprecedented manner exhibited by the obnoxious Munro. And Chris Wallace has explicitly and emphatically corroborated Donaldson's statements on the subject!!!
Jer
" --in the inexcusable, and unprecedented manner ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:31pm.
exhibited by the obnoxious Munro."
You may be in the tank for Obama, Jer, but damned if you ain't funny as hell once you start the wailing process when someone dares disrespect the purple-lipped pos who deserves no respect.
You could have given lessons to that weepy assed screwball, who bemoaned on video, poor Britney's treatment at the hands of unbelievers.
You definitely be funny guy.
MD
I'm not in the tank for anybody, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:51pm.
Obama wasn't my preferred candidate, and I've criticized him far more than I've praised him. But I have no problem defending him against irrational attacks, which you, obviously eaten up to the bone with ODS, have led with reckless abandon.
Jer
That is absolute bullshit, Jer, and your continued ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:13am.
donning of shield and buckler, to "protect" the slimy pos against what you 'perceive' as irrational attacks, proves it.
I at least admit to finding the worthless bastard to be repulsive in every sense of the word; you dance around like a flea on a hot griddle with your "on the one hand", and then, "on the other hand" nonsense.
You think doing so makes you some sort of icon of diplomacy; I think it makes you look like an Obama loving apologist.
The more I see of the SCOAMF PLRBFSOBPOS, the more I believe anyone who supports, defends, OR apologizes for him, is screwed up beyond repair.
Do a survey, there, lefty, of the conservatives you continually argue with on these threads, and see how they feel about the incompetent turd.
I'm sure that in order to find those who agree with your left side take on Obama, you will have to venture quite far from the threads you spend so much of your time on.
MD
Get a clue, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:33am.
It would only require substituting the name "Obama" with "Bush" and picking at random one of the more rabidly partisan comment sections at a lib website circa 2001-2008, and we would find identical squealing and squawking by the lefty ideologues concerning the "slimy pos", "worthless bastard", "incompetent turd" in the White House being due absolutely no respect and therefore deserving of whatever expletives and vulgarities were used to describe him.
You're just the flip side of the same coin.
Jer
That would be true, Jer, only if Obama was ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:52am.
NOT as I describe him.
Bush was far from perfect, as we all are, but he certainly appears to be a decent guy.
Obama is a piece of shit, period; and whether I merely tolerate his incompetent ways, or choose to voice my absolute disgust with his character and his actions, there is nothing you can say or do to change the facts about Obama - lefty or not.
MD
edit for:
You're the leftist on this site, Jer; YOU get a clue.
Settle down, MD!!! It's
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:33am.
Settle down, MD!!! It's cocktail hour over here in Asia/Hawaii - do you want me to mix one for you????
killa !!! ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:56am.
Have one for me, bro; but remember - all the booze in the world cannot remove the disdain felt for any and all who put Barack Obama on a pedestal of any kind.
That bat-eared @^%%$@$#$# is loathsome beyond description.
MD
Here's an interesting question:
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 1:23am.
Even considering the remarkably lax moderation of NB posts, how long would it take for me to get booted from this place if I collected the top ten negative descriptions of Obama and/or his wife from a single day's comments and applied them to any prominent conservative? I'm guessing about eight minutes.
Jer
Well, Jer, rather than dropping a backhand insult at the --
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 2:22am.
moderators, why don't you, on these very threads, get right after any prominent conservative that you dislike as much as I do Obama, curse that person seven ways from Sunday, and we shall see whether your prediction is accurate - or just a bit of sour whine made from sour grapes.
Are you a man; or a mouse?
Squeak up!
MD
Say cheese...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 2:54am.
I mean "please". Matthew, there is no prominent or un-prominent American conservative pundit or politician, past or present, whom I dislike even one-tenth as much as you dislike Obama. Your all-consuming hatred for this president literally oozes from every single comment you post about him, and has plumbed depths which I can barely fathom much less conjure. Maybe Hitler, Stalin, and Otis Toole--whatever their ideology may be. Oh, and the cast of How I Met Your Mother.
BTW, I know how you love to try to get me in trouble with folks, but, for the record, I wasn't insulting the moderators.
Jer
Since you are not clouded in hate like the rest of us....
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 3:02am.
Maybe you can explain it, just once, just at least this one time before the guy's term actually ends.
What did he mean when he said he was going to fundamentally change this country?
Well,
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 3:06am.
Well, Vet....................WE knew what Boy Baraka meant when he talked about 'fundamentally transforming this nation'...............
unfortunatly, the rest of the dummies were buyin' (Obamaspeak) into the 'hype and chains' soundbite.
So you don't feel, Jer, that the following: ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 3:18am.
--Here's an interesting question:
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 1:23am.
Even considering the remarkably lax moderation of NB posts, how long would it take for me to get booted from this place if I collected the top ten negative descriptions of Obama and/or his wife from a single day's comments and applied them to any prominent conservative? I'm guessing about eight minutes.
Jer" --
--- was an insult, eh?
Oh, I get it; you are only 'implying' that the NB moderators are one-sided bigots who will thrash, smash, and trash any liberal who comments in an anti-conservative manner on these threads.
BTW, bullsh*t shot about how "I love to try and get you in trouble with folks". I neither originate nor type the comments that come through your keyboard - and since I cannot change your words or whatever import you are pushing relative their meaning - 'tis a far reach to assume that I would be the culprit if you were somehow made to suffer because of them.
MD
No I don't, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 4:10am.
It is simply a prediction of the probable outcome of my employing similar rhetoric.
For example, if I were to post the following (an actual comment)--but about George Bush and his mother with some additional relevant editing--I believe one or more of the staff would be immediately notified by other posters and I would most likely be promptly dispatched, and rightfully so.
...allow me to settle this. Barry Hussein Soetoro Barack Obama Davis X is a MULATTO! His mother was a white teenage skank who loved to hump black communists or any other street trash she could seduce. So Barry's DNA, assuming it's undamaged from untold years of cocaine, heroin and weed addiction, makes him 50% white. Now assuming that whoever donated this malignant sperm spray that knocked her up might also have a 'trace' amount of WHITE blood (and I think we know how that happened!) Batty Barry is probably more than 50% white and so I suggest to you that he is Vanilla Ice with less brains. See how easy that was!
(By the way, Rush Fan, to his credit, took the author of this filth to task. Another poster praised it.)
In any event, my remark was not intended as an insult to the staff or the mods. They don't have the time to comprehensively monitor comments.
Jer
To you it was filth; to me the last sentence makes it ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:12am.
read as if there is some sarcasm involved; albeit maybe not rampant enough for anyone looking to be insulted by the post in order to stand up for their boy Barry.
When someone is always looking for a chance to be offended, they never fail to find a reason to be. You act like a damned drama queen.
As a lefty on these threads, small wonder you fit the description of someone looking to be offended.
Interestingly enough, you say your remark was not intended as an insult to the staff or the mods and act like that should be the end of it; but you take apart a post you don't like and expect that your word should be the final say so on that subject as well.
Your opinion of something does not a fact make - but don't let that stop you from swelling up with self-righteous indignation every time you think you see an opening to declare racism is alive and well and being wielded against the racist-in-chief, Obama.
Who knows, using the race card may actually catch on with you liberal types.
MD
That's a bald-faced, despicable, deliberate lie, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:19pm.
You know damn well I've NEVER ONCE "declarded racism alive and well and being wielded against Obama". On the contrary, I've frequently and explicitly emphasized just the opposite--that I was NOT making any such allegation.
But you prefer to make an inflammatory accusation which you know to be false but will by merely throwing it out in public tend to damage my reputation and credibility rather than acknowledge an inconvenient reality [viz., that I haven't played the race card and have condemned those who do] which destroys your narrative.
Now, if you still stand by your indictment of me, then get off your lazy ass and prove it with specific examples. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
Jer
Hmm,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:39pm.
Who knows, using the race card may actually catch on with you liberal types.
Ha! Your offended again? Got any new rules you wanna express?
Drama Queen, pure and simple, Jer. You continually ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 9:00pm.
bemoan how Obama is treated on these threads, and how you would be banned for even intimating such "nasty" stuff against a conservative.
Quit being such a crybaby; you're a lefty - and given your never ending, mewling defense of everything Obama/Democrat on these very threads - you do, indeed, have a "reputation" here; and, as far as your 'credibility' --- it can best be defined the same as is phantasmagoria.
Here's an example of your famed 'credibility; and oddly enough, it ties in with the race card - you know, the subject you just went bat-shit crazy over:
Back when killa first came on board, the famed "Curious George" brouhaha developed. You screamed like a mashed cat about the racism inherent in Obama being compared to a monkey; but after deciding that killa was no racist, the issue, as far as you were concerned, was put to rest.
In a subsequent head-butting with you regarding race, I brought up the Curious George incident, and once again the sounds of a cat who has had his tail stepped on permeated the air -- HOW DARE I bring up an issue that is long past, resolved, and forgotten by the parties involved?
You accused me of being nothing more than a troublemaker; but I would point out that you are the liberal square peg continually insinuating yourself into the roundness of a conservative venue.
And now you haughtily suggest I 'prove' it with specific examples?
Why; so you can once again screech about the "example" not being kosher?
Your accusing another poster of racism - unproven - is NOT an instance of playing the race card?
You funny guy.
As far as an "indictment" of you - you defend Obama; you indict yourself.
MD
Mix one for me too, killa...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 1:16am.
and make it a double. Dean is driving me to drink again.
Jer
Jer, you have opted, of your ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 2:38am.
own free will, to side with the loons of the left.
I merely venture opinion(s) from my side of the aisle.
I am starting to think that maybe we don't see eye to eye when peering at politics, politicos, or the purple-lipped, preening, progressive poser pretending to act presidential while prancing pitifully towards a pratfall on the dung heap of history. :o)
MD
You ARE talkin' about the
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 3:03am.
You ARE talkin' about the prissy, pompous, petulant, prickly, petty, impertinant, peevish, pretentious, patronizing, presumptuous, imperious, punk-assed phony Boy Baraka, right???
killa---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 3:21am.
Yowzah !!!
That be him. :o)
MD
Alliteration!!
Submitted by bobsmom on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:44pm.
You had me at purple. OMG, chortling and chuckling like a charmed chimp here.
Jer, the only way I'm gonna
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 3:08am.
Jer, the only way I'm gonna mix you any kind of adult beverage is if you get out your old disco suit, and your gold medallion, and your bell-bottoms, and that rolled up C-note in your pocket!!! Then you might qualify for a Killa Kocktail!!!!
Here
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 1:32am.
Jer: I'll need to see evidence of Donaldson's "constantly interrupting Reagan..."
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/18/ronald-reagan-being-interrupted-by-rep...
^^^^That IS Donaldson interrupting President Reagan whilst giving prepeared remaks. The VERY THING he condemned someone else for doing.
http://maroonedinmarin.blogspot.com/2012/06/sam-donaldson-lied-press-did...
Thanks, Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 3:47am.
But that's the same video I watched last night after Rush Fan linked it.
Apparently the American Spectator had to rummage through a quarter of a century of material to dredge up even one incident which is even remotely analogous to Munro's behavior. And I emphasize the word "remotely" because the two cases are barely in the same ballpark. One was a policy address delivered by Obama in the Rose Garden--a customary venue for such events. The other was an introductory comment by Reagan inside the press room of the White House.
Munro interrupted Obama when he was less than a third of the way through his speech and began hectoring him, taunting him, and, incredulously, after being reminded "Excuse me, sir. It's not the time for questions, sir"...fired back "No, you have to take questions". Amazing effrontery. The snotty little bully-boy should have been ushered off the premises right then and there.
On the other hand, the Gipper, God love 'im, completed his statement while the press corps dutifully remained silent, and it wasn't until Reagan was introducing and bringing Meese to the podium that the execrable Helen Thomas spoke up--Donaldson actually raised his hand before beginning his question. Reagan uttered a one word reply ["No"] and immediately announced he wasn't taking any more questions. Yet Munro had the gall to insist to Hannity that Reagan in the exchange had been (I'm paraphrasing) a model of openess--or words to that effect. Munro is not only breathtakingly rude, but also either a shameless dissembler or a blithering idiot.
Jer
For crying out loud.
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 7:34am.
What a crock of bs.
You know whats breath takingly rude Jer. Obama's bigotry and divisiveness. He is a creep of the first order, pitting American against American, then siding with non Americans.
To hell with decor, this jerk need to answer for his un-constitutional deeds!
C'mon, Boudin; ain't no way in hell ol' Jeringo, as ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:34am.
Obama's foot soldier, is gonna pass up a chance to lambaste somebody who may have made a misstep or committed a faux pas of some kind against the Messiah.
The PLRBFSOBPOS SO screws up while absorbed with his daily dithering that his minions have to take any slight, real or imagined, and blow it waaaaaay out of proportion.
That's all the hell they have for ammunition.
Pitiful bunch, indeed.
MD
Well the good news is
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:43am.
Since Obama's proclamation, I have heard several Black folks calling our local shows absolutely chapped, that they now have to compete for jobs with folks who are not even citizens. A few even mentioned his recently renewed Gay marriage stance.
Yep, the no principal party has taken the low road, once again.
"Apparently the American
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:26am.
"Apparently the American Spectator had to rummage through a quarter of a century of material to dredge up even one incident which is even remotely analogous to Munro's behavior."
Cop out. You demanded the evidence and when presented you dismiss it because it was "a quarter of a century" old.
Sad.
Negative, NC Cop...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 4:46am.
Please review my comment. My "quarter of a century" reference was included as a factor for consideration, but it was incidental to the more substantive reasons I outlined to distinguish the two cases.
Clearly, any incident involving Donaldson and Reagan as president would be well over twenty years old, but my point was and is that this clip located by the American Spectator is the ONLY one I have seen produced by anyone involving any presidency--and Donaldson covered several administrations--which is presented as an appropriate analog to Munro's behavior.
Cheer up.
Jer
Your actions, Uncle Jer, have been deplorable here.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 12:28pm.
First the game you try to run on BEGRUNT, asking for information you clearly had in hand.
Then your insistence that Sam Donaldson has to meet a much lower standard than Mr. Munro when they both acted in the same manner (interrupting the President), in the same place (Rose Garden), under the same conditions (President talking to audience consisting solely of reporters).
Then you play the where where where game when I brought forward quotes from an article, a link back to it, and I ended up spelling it out as though speaking to someone of much lower intelligence.
Then your feigned outrage that a reporter would interrupt the President when the man has apologized and explained he thought the President was finished. Information you already had as well. Feigned outrage that is much more problematic when the history of President Interruptions is examined. From "You lie" during a State of the Union address. To Sam Donaldson admitting he and others interrupted the President back in the day. To protestors interrupting ---
President Obama
President G. W. Bush
President G. W. Bush
President G. W Bush
President Clinton
It is a wonder you ain't popped a fuse with all the interrupting going on, let alone the ultimate interruption, attempts at asassination. That day back in '81 when President Reagan was shot must have left you in apolexisms shaking and shimmying on the floor.
Finally your utter gall to claim there was only the one video that can be located, when you clearly clearly clearly must be aware that there was no internet capturing and storing all back in the 80's.
Nor was there a Fox News to balance out the MSM that was in complete dominance in the 80's. You are not so dumb to realize that one would have to go hat in hand to the MSM and beg for videos that would put their beloved leftist reporters in a bad light because they were the only ones running the show back then.
Absolutely utterly deplorable actions here. You should be ashamed of yourself. Say, do my condemnations come close to yours? Cuz the dog peed on my thesaurus and I am kinda wingin' it here.
...inexcusable...unprecedented...obnoxious... hectoring...taunting...incredulously...fired back ...Amazing effrontery...snotty little bully-boy ...ushered off the premises right then and there. ...breathtakingly rude...shameless dissembler ...blithering idiot.
Peddle your load
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:22pm.
of BS elsewhere, Vet. I'm not in the market for it.
The particular statement by Donaldson which you had linked and with which I was already familiar was in no way an admission that he had frequently interrupted Reagan. Therefore, I asked you to please point out to me where Donaldson had made such an admission. Your response: "Monkey ain't jumping"...or some similar smartassed nonsense. And you call my actions deplorable. Your subsequent attempt to disassemble his statement and cobble together an interpretation consistent with your version is as laughable and illogical as Munro's lame 'I thought the president was finished' excuse.
"You are not so dumb to realize that one would have to go hat in hand to the MSM and beg for videos that would put their beloved leftist reporters in a bad light because they were the only ones running the show back then."
No, I'm not that dumb inasmuch as I realize one would NOT have to do what you contend. And for one whom I have frequently touted as the premier researcher at this website--and perhaps any website--to fail to realize it as well comes as quite a surprise.
Here Vet, for future reference:
The Vanderbilt Television News Archive is the world's most extensive and complete archive of television news. We have been recording, preserving and providing access to television news broadcasts of the national networks since August 5, 1968.
The collection spans the presidential administrations of Lyndon Baines Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama. The core collection includes evening news broadcasts from ABC, CBS, and NBC (since 1968), an hour per day of CNN (since 1995) and Fox News (since 2004). Special news broadcasts found in the Archive include political conventions, presidential speeches and press conferences, Watergate hearings, coverage of the Persian Gulf War, the events of September 11, 2001, the War in Afghanistan, and the War in Iraq.
[my emphasis]
Even Agnew used it for material to skewer the "nattering nabobs of negativism".
Jer
What an evil evil evil evil evil little man.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:42pm.
"The Vanderbilt Television News Archive is the world's most extensive and complete archive of television news."
News. News shows. Nothing but 30 minute NEWS shows. News. Television NEWS shows. News by Walter "lefty" Cronkite. News by Dan "lefty" Rather. News by.....
Evil. You are pure pure pure evil for trying to pull this load of poo here.
Yeah, like Donaldson interrupting President Reagan made the news when the Big 3 were in their heyday.
It is a NEWS archive. Not Presidential speaky speaky archive. And as such BACKS UP MY POINT. The MSM buried anything negative on their beloved leftist reporters. It NEVER MADE THE NEWS.
Pull this crap on me.
Pshawww. Racist.
Hey. Sammy says it. I can too. Now, pull some more lame crap on me. Racist.
I tried to emphasize
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:46pm.
PRESIDENTIAL SPEECHES AND PRESS CONFERENCES.
But I guess you missed it.
Jer
And not a damn one with Sam Donaldson's trespasses.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:58pm.
Odd. Really odd.
Nasty evil evil evil evil evil little man.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:32pm.
Candy coated evil with a nougat core.
Pegged.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:39pm.
Uncle Jer: The particular statement by Donaldson which you had linked and with which I was already familiar was in no way an admission that he had frequently interrupted Reagan.
Sam Donaldson: Never once did I interrupt a president ... Yes, almost always when he was finished..
Wow. Look at that. You can see you own anal sphincter. Does it look as shameful as you the human pretzel does?
No way an admission. No friggin' way.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:05pm.
Never once did I call Uncle Jer a vindictive little fudgemaker. Yes, almost always in personal emails, meatspace conversations, and facebook posts did I discuss his nastiness and pure evil.
Yes. You are right. That is in no way an admission that I insult you. What was I thinking?
Vet, have you noticed with the possible exception of BEGRUNT
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:23pm.
that absolutely nobody--not even any of your regular group of cheerleaders--has bought into YOUR interpretation of Donaldson's words?
That should tell you something.
Jer
And yet everyone has bought into yours, huh?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:39pm.
And Uncle Jer flunks day two of the "Arguing on the Interpipes" class.
True, Vet, but your NB cheerleaders number in the hundreds
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:48pm.
if not thousands, while mine are depressingly few.
I feel like Ed Schultz would if he wandered into the Fox News studios by mistake.
Jer
~You called?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:46pm.
I was leaving it alone so you couldn't cry about being ganged up on, but since you've indirectly invoked me...
Vet has you nailed nine ways from Sunday. You should gather up the tattered shreds of your credibility, hitch up what's left of your dignity so as to cover your ignominy, and creep away while you still have the use of your extremities.
Thanks for your input, Bru...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:54pm.
and your vote for the Vet has been duly recorded.
Just one suggestion: You don't need to speed-read Donaldson's statement at your customary 2000 w/p/m. Slow down. It should improve your comprehension.
Jer
~I'm sure this will come as a shock to you
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:04pm.
but disagreeing with your interpretation of something does not indicate any deficiency in reading comprehension, an area in which I have never scored lower than 100% in any standardized test since kindergarten. Your Clinton-esque parsing simply makes you look mendacious, as even I, born in 1980, am aware of the way Sam Donaldson comported himself toward Reagan.
In that case Miss One Hundred Per Cent...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:23pm.
Below is Donaldson's complete statement which according to the Vet is an admission by Donaldson that he did indeed frequently interrupt President Reagan before the latter finished with his speeches, formal statements, etc. What say you? Remember, your perfect record is on the line.
Never once did I interrupt a president in any way while he was making a formal statement, a speech, honoring awardees or in any other way holding the floor. Yes, almost always when he was finished in the Rose Garden or in the Briefing Room or at a photo opportunity with other world leaders I tried to question him (only rarely was it a shout on the rope line, more often a more normal tone of voice) and other reporters of course did the same thing along with me.
What this man did yesterday is something new, to me wrong and unusual. I think it is probably the result of the growing incivility of the times, the competition among reporters and news organizations to be noticed not only for the work product but for the theatrics of the gathering…and there is one more factor, let’s face it: Many on the political right believe this president ought not to be there – they oppose him not for his polices and political view but for who he is, an African American! These people and perhaps even certain news organizations (certainly the right wing talkers like Limbaugh) encourage disrespect for this president. That is both regrettable and adds, in this case, to the general dislike of the press on the part of the general public.
For Tucker Carlson to say that he would if he can give this man a raise for this rude attempt to interrupt the president is reflective of what I’ve said above and, to me, lowers my opinion of Tucker.
Jer
Jer ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:35pm.
"Never once did I interrupt a president in any way --yada, yada, yada--", but,
"Yes, almost always when he was finished in the Rose Garden --"
How do you interrupt someone who is finished?
MD
Bingo, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:42pm.
One can't. That's a clue to understanding Donaldson is obviously referring to the occasions he would question Reagan and at what point his and other reporters' questioning would be initiated.
Jer
Jer ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:51pm.
The Vet's take on this makes more sense to me.
I, too, watched Donaldson in the old days, and he never struck me as anything other than rude and obnoxious.
Full disclosure:
Never liked the man.
Still don't; conservative view or not.
MD
Good. Let's throw ourselves on that sword.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:06pm.
Every other sentence in the email referred to the interruption of the President. Except for Uncle Jer's magic hanging sentence, just hanging out there waiting for that damn Rueben sandwich.
The man was accused of interrupting the President. There was video of him with others interrupting the President. He responded with an email that discussed interrupting the President. Except for that magic single sentence that had nothing to do with anything else.
Jump on that sword.
"Yes, almost always when he was finished in the Rose Garden or in the Briefing Room or at a photo opportunity with other world leaders I tried to question him (only rarely was it a shout on the rope line, more often a more normal tone of voice) and other reporters of course did the same thing along with me."
Yes, he almost always waited for the President to finish. The rest of the time, he was chowing down on the Rueben sandwich he ordered. Gawd, he loved him the Ruebens.
Still a tacit admission he interrupted the President.
Tell us, it has to hurt.
Yeah, those two sentence have nothing to do with each other.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:43pm.
Never once... Almost always...
Let's forget everything we learned about English and grammar and paragraphs. It is a complete coincidence they are next to each other in a block some of us call a paragraph. ONE SENTENCE IS NOT RELATED TO THE OTHER. The man was making two completely different points and accidentally mated them in a paragraph. Sam Donaldson really knows nothing about English or grammar or paragraph composition despite spending his entire career composing them.
Seriously, doesn't it get kinda painful after a while? Really. Once again, we are faced with someone that thinks
every
single
word
and
sentence
stands
by
itself.
Or thinks we are dumb enough to believe he thinks that.
Whatever.
I'll defer commenting until Bru weighs in with her final verdict
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:54pm.
On the one hand, she despises me and my politics and has preliminarily endorsed your position. So I'm sure the inclination to agree with you is virtually irresistible. But on the other hand, dang it, there's that perfect record thing she's got going. This is gonna be a tough one.
Jer
~Vet nailed it
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:45pm.
What I find irritating about this topic is the fact that it doesn't even matter whether that warty old blot on humanity admitted it or not, we all know what he did because he's on tape doing it. Which means that in order to defend your premise you are ignoring both what Donaldson said about what he did, and what everyone knows he did. He did it, and he admitted doing it, and you still can't accept it. You're trying to parse your way out of this and it's become beyond ludicrous.
Good grief, Bru, read a few of the Vet's comments
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:56pm.
where he is desperately and meticulously but ultimately fruitlessly breaking Donaldson's statement into tiny bits, and then come back and lecture me about parsing.
Oh, about that perfect record: It's history. Sorry.
Jer
~If it's any comfort, your perfect record
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:10pm.
of being a purblind water-carrier for partisan hacks pretending to be journalists is intact.
I'm tired of this crap; Donaldson was an unmitigated ass to Reagan and you damn well know it.
Some water-carrier...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:24pm.
This was my only characterization of Donaldson:
...I witnessed Donaldson's behavior--the way he approached his job as a reporter/journalist--toward Reagan as well as other presidents both before and after him. I personally thought Donaldson, with his booming voice and relentless, insistent, uber-aggressive style, was an annoying, even embarrassing, jackass...
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/06/19/geraldo-daily-calle...
I doubt Sam would agree with your depiction of me.
Jer
~Let's cut to the chase
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:46pm.
It's bath night for five little kids and I don't have time to swing leftists around by their short ones just to hear them scream.
Sam Donaldson is a lying sack of flaming shit subject to uncontrollable fits of Tourette's in Reagan's presence. He was inexcusably, unprofessionally, and unnecessarily hostile toward Reagan and he can't weasel his way out of that with his holier than thou attitude toward Munro.
The fact that the entire WH press pool stood there playing stenographer like a bunch of eunuchs while Obama arrogantly flouted federal immigration law will forever be a disgrace to journalism.
In short, The Vet is right. Again.
In short, you ducked the actual question...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:58pm.
and addressed another issue.
Okay, go tend to the young'uns.
Jer
You mean like you.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:12pm.
Ducking Sam Donaldson's saying we oppose the President not for his policies but because he is a black man.
Excuse me, Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:38pm.
I was hunting for your soliloquy on 'moving the goalposts'. It was so...how should I say it..so..moving.
Jer
~Bull
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:13pm.
How many times do I have to say that I agree with The Vet before it sinks in? You want to know how I 'comprehend' what Donaldson said? Read one of The Vet's posts and mentally add, "I concur" at the end. For the third time, I AGREE WITH THE VET.
Also, I don't give a shit what Donaldson said about himself anyway, as I believe my lying eyes.
Well said!!
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:19pm.
Completely concur!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Bru..My comment was addressed to the Vet.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:18pm.
I don't understand why you are responding as if it were addressed to you.
Jer
~I was responding to your claim that I ducked the question
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:23pm.
and I used your most recent comment at the time to do so, as it was in the same sub-thread. But go on making a grievance out of nothing, it's amusing.
Bru, he is living up to the
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:34pm.
Bru, he is living up to the way you described him a few years ago, straining at gnats whilst swallowing elephants. Though I think we may want to change the elephants to jackasses. We don't want people to think that he agrees with conservatives by invoking the symbol of the GOP. The symbol of the Dems is more appropriate.
I don't know that this flare-up was inevitable, but---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 7:26pm.
I do know that while politics can make strange bedfellows, it can all too often make for implacable enemies.
Jer and I have a very amicable relationship - when not busy giving each other total grief over politics on threads here at NBs - but that said; his steadfastness in adhering primarily to left side dogma and support for all things Democratic, while admirable as it relates to being consistent, does tend to relentlessly push buttons that are anathema to conservatives.
And so it goes.
MD
Jer is the most reasonable
Submitted by lotr on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 11:32pm.
Jer is the most reasonable individual "on the other side" that I've encountered out there in the anonymous blogosphere. My two cents.
Yes! A little balm for the wounds from the serious
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 11:41pm.
pummeling I've been taking today.
Thanks guys.
Jer
Jer, you don't get pummeled around here unless ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 12:00am.
you voluntarily climb in the ring
I've also noticed a pattern; left leaners and libs tend to be the punching bag du jour.
Glad to be of assistance during those times that pummeling is required. :o)
MD
~Being called the "most reasonable" liberal
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 12:57pm.
is like being called the "most attractive" Chinese Crested Hairless.
Why would someone that is being truthful and upfront....
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 1:58pm.
...feel pummeled? Kinda had to be knocked off being correct.
Here is a clue --- "No he di'int" and "whar whar whar" is really not a way to show people where their logic is failing.
Hey Vet, that appears to be
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:41pm.
Hey Vet, that appears to be Jer's latest MO, ask for info then when it is provided proceed to deflect or say that was not he was asking for.
He did the same thing back on this thread.
So from now on I think when Jer asks for proof of something he should be ignored. It seems that even if you were to show him the 2+2=4 he will find something wrong or not quite right with the answer.
Kinda like Odumbo, Holder or Carney.
Are you still hung up on THAT, Scube?
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:47pm.
Let it go, man.
I obviously didn't make my point very well, but you didn't do a very good job of figuring it out.
Jer
Scoob: 1, Jer: 0
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:50pm.
Just sayin' . . .
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Geez...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:55pm.
Would you both stop being so friggin' dense. I guess I'll have to go back to that thread and explain it kindergarten-style to you.
Jer
Only a lib arguing on a
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:09pm.
Only a lib arguing on a conservative website would call its denizens dense. Project much?
And grouchy too . . .
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:03pm.
And grouchy too . . .
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
I'm having fun, Free...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:10pm.
I fear it's going to be pretty boring once Disqus takes over.
Jer
Now there is something we all
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:12pm.
Now there is something we all agree on.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
In other words
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 1:00am.
A "natural".
Jer, can't take being proved
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:07pm.
Jer, can't take being proved wrong can you? You shut up pretty quick on that thread when I nailed you with your own words.
I am just letting folks here know what your MO is nowadays and not to fall for it. Your a big boy, deal with it.
Scoob, you want to see Jer's all time super ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:08pm.
rebuttal?
Check out my tag line.
'Course, that statement likely only applies to conservative sources.
MD
I know MD, it appears that
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:29pm.
I know MD, it appears that unless the source is from a lib website it is suspect in his mind.
So we should no longer bother providing proof to him.
Actually, due to the incomprehensible yet undeniable popularity
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:45pm.
of the sewer-dwelling filth-spewing weaselzippers among NBers, you'll be pleased to learn I am now accepting it as an authoritative source.
Jer
Actually, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:35pm.
I was rather pleased with that customarily insightful rejoinder and never quite understood your fascination with it. But maybe I'm suffering from some type of mental density which appears to be currently plaguing Scube and Free as well.
Jer
The only dense one here is
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 9:55pm.
The only dense one here is you Jer. We keep on smacking you upside the head with 2x4's of truth and it still does not sink in.
Gee, first it was Slyrr's "truth-shaped cudgel" and now Scube
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 10:02pm.
wielding "the 2x4's of truth". I'm being metaphored into submission.
Jer
Jer: "YOU NEVER QUESTION THE PARTY"
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:26am.
Jer, admit it. Munro was not breathtakingly rude: he broke the law.
You NEVER QUESTION OUR LEADER. His Majesty The Shahinshah is ALWAYS RIGHT.
Above all, YOU NEVER QUESTION THE PARTY. The Democratic Party has the sole right to rule America, not "govern" it.
If you question either Him or His Party, you must die.
I just don't know why Munro wasn't beaten to death right there on the spot as the cameras were rolling for daring to be so insolent to Him.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Call out to all NewBustersbies.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:05pm.
Uncle Jer needs some help moving goal posts. Dang buggers are heavy.
Uncle Jer: I'll need to see evidence of Donaldson's "constantly interrupting Reagan... ...not in the inexcusable and unprecedented manner exhibited by the obnoxious Munro.
The Vet: Here (link to Donaldson interrupting President Reagan)
Uncle Jer: ...the two cases are barely in the same ballpark. One was a policy address delivered by Obama in the Rose Garden--a customary venue for such events. The other was an introductory comment by Reagan inside the press room of the White House.
Yeah. Time for the monkeyman to try a new field goal with the goal posts even further away now. Kick the ball monkeyman. Kick.
Yeah. Not even remotely close, huh.
We got one President whose Administration possibly violated the law. And we got one President that is willfully violating his oath of office, the law, the constitution, whatever. Or now, no, Uncle Jer says it is a policy statement. Ah, OK. You sure it ain't a new doctrine?
The Obama Doctrine --- Screw the Constitution and my oath to it. I do what I want when I want it and you keep your mouth shut until I say it is time for questions. Now. Time for me to leave. No questions. Bye.
~I'll need to see evidence!
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 9:28am.
Disclaimer: All evidence is invalid if:
Other than that, any and all evidence is welcome.
Which NewsBustersbie has the rope?
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 1:00pm.
Munro has been charged, tried and convicted by Uncle Jer the charging, trying convicter.
Uncle Jer: Munro interrupted Obama when he was less than a third of the way through his speech and began hectoring him, taunting him, and, incredulously, after being reminded "Excuse me, sir. It's not the time for questions, sir"...
First of all, Munro knew the gaseous windbag was a third of the way through how again?
Second, I say a clip. He called out a question. President Obama said it is not the right time for questions. Munro said something more, prolly to the effect of asking if there would be a time for questions. President Obama responded "not while I am speaking" AND MUNRO SHUT THE HELL UP.
So my goalpost for Uncle Jer. Kindly tell the entire class how this rose to the level of hectoring and tauntring AND AND AND AND "...and, incredulously, after being reminded "Excuse me, sir. It's not the time for questions, sir"...fired back "No, you have to take questions". "
So timeline ---
Munro asked a question. (1st sentence)
President Obama responded.
Munro hectored and taunted.
THEN (Uncle Jer's "and" part) Munro spoke a second time. (2nd sentence)
President Obama responded again and moved on.
+++
So exactly what was the hectoring and taunting between the first time Munro spoke and the second time Munro spoke?
+++
"The only way to ask [Obama] a question at these events is to get him at the end as he’s leaving just before he dashes back to the Oval Office…Yes, I mistimed it. I thought I was getting him at the end and frankly, I was wrong about that," Munro said.
Oh dear, Munro thought the President was finished. How hecklish. How tauntish. How incredulous. How amazingly effronteryish. How snotty and bullyboyish. How breathtakingly rudish.
Field goal.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 1:09pm.
Even with the moved goal posts.
Sam friggin' Donaldson ADMITS to constantly interrupting the President. I repeat CONSTANTLY ----
Never once did I interrupt a president in any way while he was... Yes, almost always when he was finished in the Rose Garden or in the Briefing Room or at a photo opportunity with other world leaders I tried to question him (only rarely was it a shout on the rope line, more often a more normal tone of voice) and other reporters of course did the same thing along with me.
Wha?????
Rose Garden????
Where was President Obama again?????
No. Can't be. No, not in the Rose Garden.
Whats the phrase?
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 2:15pm.
Ah yes, Game Set Match, I believe!
Thank you Vet!
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:48am.
On top of the linked example, I remember Donaldson being an all around pain in the a$$ when it came to Reagan. Didnt matter what was going on, Reagans staff trying to sing Happy Birthday to him, just to have Donaldson shout some asinine question at him. I know I'm at least as old as Jer, if not older, and I recollect many of these things, seems Jer has selective memory!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Sam Donaldson's favorite target
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:22pm.
I heard an audio clip of this the other day. Nancy Reagan was even gracious enough to offer Sam Donaldson some cake!
Years ago - try close to 20 years ago now - some friends of mine and I were discussing the 1980s and this subject of Donaldson's boorish behavior came up. If one of my buds recalled correctly, there was even an incident when, as the Reagans were going to board Marine One, Donaldson was shouting something at them. Some reporter was fed up with the act and told him "Sam, shut up." If true, I wish there was audio of it out there...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Old Donaldson video
Submitted by Bhaal on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 1:53pm.
I came across this link from '88 on C-SPAN in a debate format with Donaldson in it. Rather revealing as he makes several remarks about Reagan even though he was not the topic of discussion. Sams time runs from about 1 hour 39 min to 1 hour 55 min.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/2189-1
Jer
Submitted by lotr on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:16pm.
This is off topic, but I did find amusing your parodic use of boldface in that response... LOL
But back on topic, while we seem to agree about Geraldo, what is your opinion of this move by Mr. Obama? I'm not talking about the "good intentions" or other "well-meaning" aspects -- I'm wondering about constitutionality and the separation of powers aspects of this.
lotr...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 12:51am.
I think it was deft politically and dubious constitutionally. But this is neither novel nor unique and simply reignites separation of power clashes which have been periodically erupting throughout history between the legislative and executive branches of government. It underscores another constitutional gray area not unlike war powers authority which even congressional legislation failed to satisfactorily resolve.
The Supreme Court could rule on a case by case basis and perhaps provide helpful guidance in its opinion. Or an [unlikely] comprehensive constitutional amendment could afford an alternative remedy. Otherwise, we will just continue to be entertained and bemused by the howls of indignation from the aggrieved political party, i.e. the one not then residing in the White House on the occasion of the issuance of the controversial Executive Order in question.
Jer
Sometimes I wonder.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 3:49am.
Do you ever listen to yourself speak? Who exactly do you think buys into your inanity?
...the howls of indignation from the aggrieved political party...
Straw man argument - Exaggerate the argument of an opponent in order to be able to easily knock it down.
So now any protest the President is neglecting the oath of office is a howl of indignation? Yep. Just nutty howlers baying at the moon. Howling away. Stupid. Goofy frells dancing naked around a fire playing with their willies and pushing the staw men into the fire.
So, that straw man officially knocked over there?
Oh and speaking of howls of indignation - Who said this?
...inexcusable...unprecedented...obnoxious... hectoring...taunting...incredulously...fired back ...Amazing effrontery...snotty little bully-boy ...ushered off the premises right then and there. ...breathtakingly rude...shameless dissembler ...blithering idiot.
Can you read and understand plain English, Vet?
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 4:05am.
I have my doubts. What and whose argument did I exaggerate? Mine was a neutral, nonpartisan observation.
Why don't you review and meditate on your own unhinged, hyperbolic rants before boring me with your arrogant and silly lectures.
Jer
Yes. We know. Neutral. Non-partisan. Raised your hand first.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 4:25am.
Just a little rhetoric. Nothing to see here. Just an observation. Move on. Dutifully remained silent. Blah. Blah. Blah.
Another Field goal.
Yay!
Vet...please point out to me where Donaldson admitted
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 4:46am.
to constantly interrupting a President.
Thanks.
Jer
No.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 6:01am.
Monkey ain't jumping today. I only linked to it once already on this page. Then I further linked back to my own linkenings RIGHT ABOVE THE POST I AM REPLYING TO.
But whatever. I am unleavened and hyperbarbolikalz.
Yeah...It's the same item I read the other day...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 6:54am.
before you ever linked it. I reread it after you linked it. Maybe you should, too.
Jer
Yeah. You din't reread my posts.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 7:06am.
Monkey said monkey don't jump today. Monkey too tired from kicking field goals through moving goal posts.
Hmm...maybe that's the problem.
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 7:50am.
Boudin thinks this is a tennis match. Monkey thinks he's playing football. In any event, Monkey's getting his tail kicked.
Jer
Iz smell stinkizz in morninz. Iz smell......
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 9:03am.
Vitoree!
Cereal. Iz declare Vitoree!
No. Rilly. Uncle Jer iz butt kickers. How do we know. Uncle Jer sez so!
Yes, it was a game you were running on us, now wasn't it?
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 12:29pm.
Uncle Jer, by his own admission saw the video with Sam Donaldson interrupting President Reagan. ...that's the same video I watched last night...
Uncle Jer, by his own admission had read the email from Sam Donaldson. It's the same item I read the other day...
And yet he still plays the game of demanding evidence that he is fully aware of just to catch BEGRUNT or another one of us in some minor little error. I'll need to see evidence of Donaldson's "constantly interrupting Reagan during his speeches."
Uncle Jer knew full well when he made that demand that Sam Donaldson had already denied interrupting SPEECHES. The honest thing would have been to point out that Sam Donaldson had already denied interrupting speeches. Instead we get the demand demand demand game.
Uncle Jer then moves on to the 'where where where" game. ...point out to me where Donaldson admitted to constantly interrupting a President. Let's see. Where on the internet or.... Where on this page or... Oh, where in the statement from Sam Donaldson did he admit to constantly interrupting a President. Because that demand from Uncle Jer can be read a couple of different ways just like Sam Donaldson's statement. Let's look at that statement that us English impaired are having problems with ----
Never once did I interrupt a president in any way while he was making a formal statement, a speech, honoring awardees or in any other way holding the floor. Yes, almost always when he was finished in the Rose Garden or in the Briefing Room or at a photo opportunity with other world leaders I tried to question him (only rarely was it a shout on the rope line, more often a more normal tone of voice) and other reporters of course did the same thing along with me.
The first sentence there --- Never once did I interrupt... --- is a negative statement. NEVER. Setting the conditions under which Mr. Donaldson NEVER EVER EVER interrupted the President. NEVER. Followed DIRECTLY by the sentence Yes,... STOP What, is he answering some unheard question? Is he confirming his lunch order? Yes, I will have the Reuben... No. It is a confirmation, a positive confirmation of the times HE DID interrupt the President. Negative statement, NEVER INTERRUPT. Followed by affirmation, YES, ALMOST ALWAYS under these conditions. Yes, almost always when he was finished in the Rose Garden or in the Briefing Room or at a photo opportunity with other world leaders...
So I was correct. Sam Donaldson ADMITTED to constantly interrupting the President. Me; Sam friggin' Donaldson ADMITS to constantly interrupting the President.
Up yours you game playing ass.
Uncle Jer (after my link to the Donaldson Email): ...please point out to me where Donaldson admitted to constantly interrupting a President. ~ I reread it after you linked it. Maybe you should, too. ~ Monkey's getting his tail kicked.
Yeah, declare victory in a game you started playing on everone here. How is that working out for ya?
Jer, your at least my age.......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 12:00pm.
or a little younger, and yet you DEMAND proof of what Donaldson had done during the 80's. During the 80's, were you on a 10 year African safari, incommunicado, no radio or news? On a 10 year Acid trip? Locked in a dungeon? I mean COME ON!! You didnt see this on a daily basis between Reagan and Donaldson?? I just find that hard to believe, unless you purposely blocked it from your memory, or are being obtuse on purpose, I dont know which. So save your faux outrage for something else, you have been caught here!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
You were played my friend.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 1:00pm.
See my post above. You made the mistake of saying speeches in front of a craftsman whose life work was poring over testimony in the hopes of finding some verbal faux pas.In fact, Jer knew full well Donaldson had already denied he interrupted speeches. He threw out some bait hoping you would continue down the path without realizing your mistake.
Donaldson admits to interrupting the President in the Rose Garden, SAME PLACE as Munro. Donaldson admits to interrupting the President in the Rose Garden making a statement to REPORTERS only. Same place, same circumstances as Munro. Donaldson admits to interrupting the President (...always...) under a variety of circumstances. But not to speeches. We understood what you meant. And what you still mean here --- ...on a daily basis between Reagan and Donaldson... But it is more fun for Jer to play games than honestly argue here.
Donaldson: Yes, almost always when he was finished in the Rose Garden or in the Briefing Room or at a photo opportunity with other world leaders...
And Munro as I have quoted here thought the President was finished. Mr. Munro thought the President was finished speaking IN THE ROSE GARDEN. But nah, let's ignore that and bring on the outrage ---
...inexcusable...unprecedented...obnoxious... hectoring...taunting...incredulously...fired back ...Amazing effrontery...snotty little bully-boy ...ushered off the premises right then and there. ...breathtakingly rude...shameless dissembler ...blithering idiot.
Vet, I keep forgetting that......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 2:01pm.
Jer is a Lawyer, and as such, parses words and meanings, it is what they do. Reminds me of the many times on the stand, that I had to do battle with some of these Lawyers, that would pick apart my reports, and focus on one word, or meaning. Then try to extrapolate it into something it wasn't, to try to show something sinister on my part. I think Steven Yagman, was one of the worst I ever had to do battle with. BTW, Yagman is doing a 15year State Prison stretch at the moment, see how ethical he was? Maddening!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
BEGRUNT ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 9:07pm.
I used the Yagman example numerous times at the Academy; specifically his crusade against law enforcement.
Yagman actively sought out family members of the two deceased bandits in the Great Bank Robbery shootout in order to file charges against the LAPD for what amounted to cruelty on their part.
The two bozos had been shooting up the world with automatic weapons, trying to kill every cop they saw, and when the cops took them out - Yagman's premise was that the cops were needlessly slow in getting medical aid to the last bandit down, which caused him unnecessary pain and misery before he finally expired.
Yagman also insinuated that the bank robber might not have died if the PD had not been so remiss.
Un- $*$*$*$*$*$ 'ing believable.
The numerous '$' signs indicate what it was that Yagman was after. It sure wasn't the pursuit of truth in the courtroom
MD
MD......one of the attorney's......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 9:35pm.
That has represented me in the past was the same one defending the LAPD Officers in that suit. Yagman was truly a POS, but now a POS doing time!! He has been dis-barred, and will NEVER get his law license again!!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Too bad ol' Yagman didn't have a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 9:48pm.
"short eyes" label put on him before sending him into general custody.
MD
Jer, your at least my age.......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 12:01pm.
or a little younger, and yet you DEMAND proof of what Donaldson had done during the 80's. During the 80's, were you on a 10 year African safari, incommunicado, no radio or news? On a 10 year Acid trip? Locked in a dungeon? I mean COME ON!! You didnt see this on a daily basis between Reagan and Donaldson?? I just find that hard to believe, unless you purposely blocked it from your memory, or are being obtuse on purpose, I dont know which. So save your faux outrage for something else, you have been caught here!
There.....said it twice!!! ;-)
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
BEGRUNT...You can say it ten times and it won't make
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 4:20pm.
your argument any sounder, your assertions more sustainable, your recollections less fallible, or your sarcasm more effective.
Throughout the 80's I was a resident of the USA, a practicing attorney, drug-free but a news junkie, and keenly interested in politics and current events. My memory is neither selective nor otherwise impaired. And my outrage over Munro's behavior isn't faux.
I witnessed Donaldson's behavior--the way he approached his job as a reporter/journalist--toward Reagan as well as other presidents both before and after him. I personally thought Donaldson, with his booming voice and relentless, insistent, uber-aggressive style, was an annoying, even embarrassing, jackass. But I NEVER saw him, or any of his colleagues, engage in the egregious breach of decorum committed by Munro.
If you won't take my word for it, maybe you'll find Chris Wallace more credible:
"I covered Ronald Reagan for six years with Sam Donaldson," Wallace said. "We used to scream our lungs out asking questions, but we always waited until the president, any president, had finished speaking. The idea that you would interrupt the president in the middle of prepared remarks and shout a question, I don’t think the guy should be allowed back in the White House on a press pass, and my guess is he won't be."
Jer
Sorry Jer.......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 4:29pm.
I dont see the difference. And as referenced above by the Vet, Donaldson did INDEED shout questions during Reagan's addresses in the Rose Garden, no more, no less than Munro did. I appreciate that you at least admit that Donaldson was an over the top jackass, in the same vein as you put Munro.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
So, BEGRUNT...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:37pm.
You think Wallace is a liar, an idiot, senile or what exactly?
Jer
No, I think he has.....
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:51pm.
"Candy coated" his memory, as to look more dignified than he did, back in the day. Think about it, he was a loud mouth jerk like Donaldson, do you think he wants that meme for his legacy?? NO!! He want's to be the dignified "reporter rep" like Uncle Lefty Cronkite. Have you seen the stuff coming out on ole Uncle Walter these days??? I would say it's less than flattering for a former "Conscience of the nation". Cronkite was as down and dirty as the other 2!!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Fail.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:59pm.
You think Wallace is a liar, an idiot, senile or what exactly?
And Uncle Jer fails day three of "Arguing on the Interpipes":. Appeal to Authority - a fallacious argument.
Where is that $8000 old man? I ain't going to jail over you.
Let me guess...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:59pm.
He was on a ten-year acid trip.
Jer
Jer is a racist. Hands down. No question. Had it with you Jerk.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:22pm.
How does that feel? Kinda insulting. Huh? Kinda like I pissed away everything we have built up as fellow posters here. Pissed away all respect. Pissed away all comradery. Pissed away any relationship we had. Huh?
Sam Donaldson: Many on the political right believe this president ought not to be there – they oppose him not for his polices and political view but for who he is, an African American!
Now you know how we feel being called a racist for nothing more than hack partisan reasons. You go to jail for falsely accusing others of rape. But falsely accusing people of being racists, yeah, that gets you a supporting quote from Chris Wallace..
Nice try, Vet..
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 5:42pm.
But I've become accustomed to reading on a daily basis here at NewsBusters that all of 'us libs' are racists.
Jer
Fail.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 06/23/2012 - 6:52pm.
We are talking about Sam Donaldson, not an anonymous moniker tossing bombs. The comparison was an anonymous moniker that actually has a reputation to protect here calling you a racist. If I were serious in throwing the racist canard with no evidence to back it up, my reputation would be in the toilet along with the people that routinely call you a racist.
Sorry you missed that.
Jer
Submitted by lotr on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 1:03pm.
A fair answer that I can't really nitpick, although my sense is that this move along with others over the past 3.5 years push the envelope beyond that previously, but that's only my sense. Obviously, I, as well as others (judging by some of the heated responses) also find the sacrifice of restraint on executive power in the interest of "political deftness" to be more than a little troubling....
Thanks, lotr...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 10:36pm.
I tried to give you a fair and honest appraisal, and I appreciate your not buying into Vet's surprising accusation that my response was straw man asininity.
Presumably, after three years of attempting to maintain a friendly relationship with the Vet, I am now being thrown under the wheels of the Vet's Bus of Doom to be repeatedly run over along with Bal the "Cop Killer Lover", Jason "Binky Braveheart" C, and every other lib poster who has dared to comment at this website and then incessantly instructed to "pack sand troll, frelling liar, pack it tight".
Oh well...I enjoyed the three years of relative tranquility.
Jer
Yeah, it was your answer to lotr.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:48pm.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Never mind my 6 responses before that. Yeah, grasp on to bus bumper before you go under and claim it was just that one response. Yeah, it was you daring to comment that set it all off. Yeah, that is the ticket. Wasn't the game you were running on BEGRUNT. Wasn't the claim to outrage because a guy had the gall to mistakenly assume the President was finished speaking. Wasn't your running cover for Sam Donaldson that claims we are right wing racists.
Many on the political right believe this president ought not to be there – they oppose him not for his polices and political view but for who he is, an African American!
Yep. It was that one little response that you decided could frame your entire night in the forum. Boy, I must be an asinine racist for thinking anything different, huh?
How is it someone can get so butt hurt and still be winning?
Now We know for sure
Submitted by Delsa on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 2:09pm.
how highly Geraldo thinks of Obama!
We all thought it but know we know it for sure!
Obama is Geraldo's Lincoln?
Beautiful just beautiful!
Why, oh why, didn't somebody
Submitted by richflanj on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 2:37pm.
Why, oh why, didn't somebody just throw Jerry Rivers into Capone's vault and lock the door back? Sigh.....
Give me a break!
Submitted by Tex Expatriate on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 2:50pm.
Does anyone give a hoot what Geraldo Rivera---a disgusting self-promoter---thinks about anything? As for Obama and Lincoln, one is and the other was a political monster. Obama would destroy the entirety of America. Lincoln launched a war and destoryed half of it.
Huh?
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 2:00pm.
Lincoln, a political monster?
Confederate apologist alert...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
"RIVERA: It would, it's like
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 2:53pm.
"RIVERA: It would, it's like interrupting Lincoln during the Gettysburg Address or the Emancipation Proclamation."
Wow. Seriously, Jerry, there is just no more room in Obama's ass for another head. Just wait your turn.
Gerry Rivers was a jackcass
Submitted by cristo on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 6:33pm.
Gerry Rivers was a jackcass and remains a jackcass.
not even close
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 6:34pm.
It is more like FDR being interrupted when he was signing his executive order that confiscated all the gold from private citizens and being asked where the constitution authorizes him to do that?
Oh...yeah...the liberal media didn't ask it then either.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Agree totally
Submitted by VotersOfNY on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 8:40pm.
Only problem is it's too late. The Republicans are going to lose this election. They don't care. Only Steve King of Iowa had the balls to say something about Obama immigration edict. The rest are silent. I am fed up with their silence and will not donate another penny to any of their campaigns.
I also will only vote against incumbents, no matter what party. Republicans don't care, they are in it with the Dumbacrats. They all stand to be filthy rich when Obama gets another term and that's all they care about.
I've had it with them, especially that loser John Boehner. He is ruining the party and should have been kicked out a long time ago. Yep, it's all over. Obama will win easily and the country will flush down the toilet. I'm tired of this BS. I'm done.
Defeatism
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 8:20am.
Just throw up your hands and give up.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
He is ruining the party
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 5:51pm.
What do you care, you'v given up?
Huh?????
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 7:26pm.
"They all stand to be filthy rich when Obama gets another term and that's all they care about". I really don't want to ask, but, WTF??? Is Baracka going to write checks? Give them each 40 acres and a mule? IOW, what in blue blazes are you talking about?
Jerry Rivera is a total moron.
Submitted by VotersOfNY on Tue, 06/19/2012 - 8:34pm.
I winched when ABC said they were putting him in that 10 to noon slot. I used to listen every single day to it and now not. I also used to listen to Imus until the time when Rush Limbaugh called Sandra Slut, I mane Fluke, a slut. Imus had the gall to call Rush a pig. Yeah this same hypocrite who called some blacks school athletes, nappy haired hoes and got fired for it.
Once he called Rush a pig, I stopped listening to him too, so now, nothing on ABC. Had to get Sirius for Mike Church and Beck in the AM. Also got Rush 24/7, so don't listen to anything on WABC except Monica Crowley on Sat and Jason Mattera on Sunday.
One of them should have been in Rivera's slot.
So eff you Rivera, you're a dope not to see what this administration is, a total dope.