Eugene Robinson: Believing Life Starts at Conception is 'Frankly Insane'
There he goes again, unleashing that finely honed empathy.
Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson set off alarm bells last month when he denigrated Rick Santorum as "very weird" for the manner in which Santorum and his wife mourned the loss of their newborn son Gabriel, who died within hours of his birth in 1996. The Santorums brought their deceased baby home and grieved with their other children in a private vigil before a funeral was held. (video after page break)
Robinson responded to widespread denunciation of his breezy callousness by issuing one of the more weasley non-apologies in memory. He also unintentionally succeeded in rendering how the Santorums handled their loss a non-issue, at least for now.
On the Rachel Maddow show Tuesday, Robinson spoke with Maddow about a proposed personhood law in Virginia that would define life as starting at conception. Similar proposals have been defeated by voters in Colorado in 2008 and 2010 and last year in Mississippi.
MADDOW: What about this issue seems to be a winning argument to Republicans? Why, why do they like it if the polls aren't with them?
ROBINSON: Well, the polls are not with them, the voters are not with them, so, so clearly it's not a winning issue. I mean, they can't believe this is, this is a good idea politically. So, I mean, the only thing I can figure out, Rachel, is that's based on a wrong and frankly insane belief that a fertilized egg is a fully formed person and has personhood and that, you know, preventing the implantation of that egg is some-, is murder. I don't, you know, it baffles me as to what other explanation there could be. They can be sincerely mad on this, on this subject, I think, and maybe they are.
"Fully formed person," which is to say, fully human. Which begs the question -- what is meant, either way?
Robinson doesn't limit himself to his belief that a fertilized egg is not fully human. He also believes this of babies born prematurely who die shortly after birth -- as shown by his dismissive criticism of the Santorums' response to the death of their son. Why all the fuss, Robinson wondered aloud. It's not as if this child had been a fully formed person.
Consider, for example, how the Kennedys responded after the death of Ted Kennedy in Hyannisport three years ago. Kennedy's body remained at the compound and a vigil for family and close friends was held there, followed by a public wake and invitation-only funeral, and Kennedy's burial at Arlington National Cemetery.
In other words, the Kennedys reacted much the same as the Santorums to the death of a loved one -- with a private vigil at their home followed by a funeral. Difference being, Ted Kennedy had been a fully formed human being -- all too human, you might say -- while Gabriel Santorum clearly wasn't, not at conception and not even after he was born, at least to Eugene Robinson.
From Robinson's perspective, my wife and I must have been certifiable when we reacted with joy each time she became pregnant. What possible reason could we have for doing so, other than shared delusions, seeing how the alleged human entities in her womb were not fully formed people deserving of rights that liberals like Robinson otherwise demand for the least among us.
Believing that life begins at conception isn't just "insane," Robinson proclaims, but "wrong." How curious that Robinson doesn't set the record straight. After all, if one person's claim that life starts "here" is indisputably false, it should be an exercise in stating the obvious that human life actually begins "there."
Robinson doesn't share this strongly held knowledge with the rest of us. Then again, liberals never do. They'd rather malign those who hold the bizarre belief that human life starts when it begins.
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Eugene Robinson
Submitted by John21 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:23am.
Believing that Eugene Robinson is a intelligent human being is "Frankly Insane".
This man has never uttered an intelligent statement in his life, maybe his mother should of aborted him and save us all from his embassassing statements.
i am just amazed that this
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 3:38pm.
i am just amazed that this dope is thrown out there as a reasoned-voice.
Does Robinson have any kids?
Submitted by kcboomer135 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:24am.
I wonder if this idiot has any children. I wonder if he celebrated the thought of a child growing in his partner/wifes womb. The last line of the article is the absolute truth. They can't argue the facts so they perfer to denegrate their oponents with childish talk. Notice he didn't define "when" life begins.
I always thought he was gay.
Submitted by inquiringmind on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 12:10pm.
I always thought he was gay. That may answer your question.
For liberals, life begins at
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:32am.
For liberals, life begins at the moment the woman decides she wants the baby.
And Robinson's assertion that believing life begins at conception is "insane" is another example of liberals' arrogant penchant for claiming that their opponents are not only wrong, but stupid and/or crazy.
And God Said - Let there by Life
Submitted by scottyusmc on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:30am.
And there was Life...
According to Robinson - he should have said - Let there be a Tax Deduction!!!
Ask a liberal
Submitted by EddieB on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:32am.
If life begins at birth, why is a murderer charged with a double homicide when the loss is a pregnant women?
They say that they are the more compassionate, thoughtful, educated ones but they are buried in hypocracy.
This is the kind of question that the Left won't answer
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:38am.
It's a symptom of their inability to square the circle.
a variant or follow up I ask..
Submitted by dmacleo on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 4:08pm.
since I hear the womans choice answer is what if she was on her way to get the abortion, or had an appt to get one, when the attack happened.
either I get no reply or the prosecutors discretion answer.
so when I ask if the prosecutors discretion is treating the fetus as a baby (IMO it is a baby) why are they not out trying to get those laws allowing that discretion to be overturned.
have never heard answer to that one yet.
the same questions apply if the mother lives and baby dies, if a criminal killing the baby is wrong then abortionist doing it is wrong too IMO.
check your premises
Submitted by michiganruth on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:46pm.
...as Ayn Rand would say.
"fetal homicide" laws exist in only 29 states. so your statement is not always true.
What does this say for
Submitted by Bhaal on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:32am.
What does this say for Robinson's views of the mentally disabled? Do they fit the category of not fully formed human being as well? What about those people born without legs or arms? Are they less than human? Perhaps Robinson considers them 3/5's of a person.
If not at conception, when?
Submitted by jimrunner on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:33am.
Mr. Robinson must consider himself quite the scientist to have postulated such a statement. So, when does life actually begin? Are human cells considered dead until some magical moment in Mr. Robinson's mind that they are now declared alive, thereby declared part a life? Like all of his ilk, this is a very convenient rationalization, not to mention, an insult to one's intelligence, which has resulted in a higher than average amount of African American children being aborted compared to other races. Hopefully, most individuals will look upon Mr. Robinson as a crazed and misguided person who needs to examine his conscience and face the truth!
Liberals have a problem with definitions
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:48am.
I was listening to a bit by comedian Lewis Black on XM radio the other day. He was ridiculing the idea that life begins at conception, pointing out that a few cells do not a human being make.
He went on to describe the issues around frozen human embryos. He insisted that they are not people, they are not life -- they are frozen (and he repeated the word frozen over and over to the applause of his audience.)
OK, if that's the case, when a human embryo is "unfrozen" and developed into a "fully formed" human being (to use Robinson's vernacular), are scientists then creating human life? Did they implant life into dead tissue?
Uh, I don't think so, Lewis. It may play well for laughs in a club, but it makes no scientific sense.
You've nailed it, Galvanic
Submitted by UltraC on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 2:19pm.
A definition of life is very inconvenient. Because acknowledging that an embryo will, like all living things, given nourishment and protection, grow into a "fully formed" human being, makes it harder to interrupt that process and not call a spade a spade.
De-humanizing things seems to be the way some liberals justify taking actions they would otherwise be uncomfortable doing and still touting their sense of "enlightenment." Look at how conservatives are de-humanized: Makes it much easier for folks like Robinson and the KOs kids to say hateful things about us.
De-humanizing the "enemy" is essential in warfare
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:13am.
And warfare is how the Left views politics.
Civilized human beings must overcome their cultural inclination against killing other humans in order to succeed on the battlefield. This is accomplished by de-humanizing the enemy as someone either physically or behaviorally less than human.
By accepting the unborn as something other than human, the Left justifies any means necessary in eradicated them should their existence be deemed unwanted or inconvenient.
This is why they prohibit imagery -- even illustrations -- of partial-birth abortions from being aired or published in MSM. When people see the human-form of the baby being butchered by "science," they immediately empathize with the baby rather than the mother.
"This is why they prohibit imagery -- even illustrations"
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:21am.
"This is why they prohibit imagery -- even illustrations"
Like these pictures (scroll down in link)
http://php.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php?title=BGDA_Lecture_-_Dev...
wouldn't what to show them the truth...
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Okay with me...
Submitted by Franksam on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 12:05pm.
We're not sure about 'when', but Eugene certainly knows a human being when he sees one. As long as Eugenicist Robinson is okay with that disproportionate number of excised unformed human material 'things' that are black, who are we to argue? After all, only a black man can fully inform us about black people.
Idiot needs to read Webster Dictionary
Submitted by scottyusmc on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:34am.
To conceive is to - "cause to begin"
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conceive
What is a 'fully formed person', Eugene?
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:36am.
Would a baby born without arms be "fully formed?"
How about a viable fetus still two months away from birth? "Fully formed?"
What about the baby who is "terminated" by the abortionist as he/she emerges from the birth canal. "Fully formed?"
The distinction has nothing to do with being "fully formed." It has to do with the question: At what point does life begin? There are those who believe it begins at conception. There are others who believe it doesn't begin until birthing is complete; they can justify partial-birth abortion.
Take your pick, Eugene. It's not a matterof semantics; it's a matter of values. For if we can terminate life that is not "fully formed," we can rationalize euthanasia of not only the unborn, but the infirm.
By his logic "fully formed"
Submitted by SFCDeano on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:46am.
By his logic "fully formed" would be at the point of death. A fertilized egg is not as developed as a fetus, a fetus is not as developed as a new born, a new born is not as developed as a toddler, a toddler is not as developed as 10 year old, a ten year old is not as developed as a teenager, a teen ager is not as developed as an 80 year old. If one passes away during any one of these development stages that person was as "Fully formed" as they were going to get. Stages of life or development has nothing to do with whether the person is "fully human".
see 180movie.com
Eugenics on display
Submitted by WingletDriver on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 3:06pm.
Pun intended. But by his logic, a person who has disabilities is unworthy of the protection of law because they are not "full." And it doesn't matter when the disability occurred. In Robinson's argument, only a "complete person" is worthy of rights.
The best part is that we have such sage people as BHO, Sebilius (sounds like a VD), and the editorial board of the Washington Compost to tell us who is a person and who isn't.
I guess all that college
Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:36am.
I guess all that college edgimication just didn't take with Eugene. This view of life that he has harkens something very ethnic and african. Not trying to be racist here, just stating a fact. I know other blacks personally who have this same take on life that there is no human baby until he/she is carried full term and delivered.
uh...
Submitted by michiganruth on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:51pm.
I don't know if your comment is racist, but it's certainly ill-informed, wrong, and moderately ignorant. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even know any black people.
contrary to what you say, blacks are one of the strongest religious groups in the country and are generally MORE pro-life than the general public.
and seriously, "ethnic and African"? I think you've been watching too many "Tarzan" movies on Saturday afternoon or something.
Not to argue with your assertion . . .
Submitted by WingletDriver on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 10:45am.
that Blacks are strong religiously, but there is a bigger problem in that they vote monolithically anti-life. 90%+ will pull the lever for a Democrat regardless of any qualification. If the Black community were truly pro-life, as you claim, this association could not exist.
~Your experience is an anomaly, I'm afraid
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 12:36pm.
Fully formed person??
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:39am.
Does that mean that Robinson thinks that a baby born full term, but missing a limb or otherwise not "fully formed" is not a person? Does a cleft pallet mean that the child is not "fully formed"? What about a club foot? Robinson's position on the issue is ill-conceived (pun intended) and illogical. It's not surprising that the non-journalists at MSNBC didn't ask him the obvious question of "when he thinks it becomes a person".
Conception is the only instant when there is a fundamental change in the being of the egg/sperm pair. After that instant, there is a continuum of development that follows a rough timeline, but is different in the specifics with each and every individual. A fertalized egg is fully human and will test that way in any DNA test. There can be no other criteria today as to what constitutes "a human being".
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Here's the question that needs answered.
Submitted by wahappened on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:45am.
If there is ANY question as to precisely when human life begins, shouldn't we error on the side of caution and human decency, and NOT eliminate anything until we know for sure?
The question of when life begins is a ruse and a tactic used to justify eliminating something inconvenient to ones own life. It really doesn't matter when life begins. What matters is what a life becomes once it has begun. After all, we DO know for sure what a fertilized human egg eventually becomes, if is is not eliminated.
Hence the question should be; why are we eliminating something that either is or will be, a living human being?
Clueless!
Submitted by iamsaved on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:48am.
I'm wondering how many people Robinson knows that passed over the early stages of human development. Hey Eugene, can you please introduce me to some of your "never been a fetus" friends?
The party of death doesn't want to think of the fetus as a person because they'd then realize it's murder. You can't sugar coat the evil quite as easily when you label it just a "mass".
A steady supply of fetuses are required to keep the Dems biggest fraud going - Social Security.
What's really killing the greatest Ponzi scheme ever devised? It's the left's wholesale slaughter of millions upon millions of future Ponzie players who are required to keep the gigantic chain letter going. The Dems have killed the proverbial golden goose themselves.
When a liberal bellows against a law that declares a fetus a person or screams that a photo id should be required when voting tells you these are two issues they need desperately and will go to any length to fight it. The one to propagate abortion and the other to propagate voter fraud.
He should change his name to EUGENICS Robinson.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:54am.
Because apparently he has no problem with black women aborting five times more often than other women.
So when DOES life begin Eugene?
Submitted by Me1976 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:02am.
Why is it that people who are absolutely convinced that life does NOT begin at conception are unable to say when life does begin? If you say that life begins at birth, how could you ever comfort a friend or loved one who has had a misccarriage. After all, it's just a clump of cells. Is that what you'd tell your wife, Eugene? "Don't worry about it babe, no reason to cry. It wasn't our baby that was lost, it was just a clump of cells." Perhaps after Eugene wakes up from being knocked upside the head with a frying pan, he would realize that life may begin earlier than birth. If you think life begins at birth, do you congratulate a friend when she announces she is pregnant? Why? There's no life there, right? Be honest, tell your friend that there is nothing to celebrate at this point. Tell her to give you a call when the baby is born, THEN there is something to get excited about. If you feel life begins at birth, why would you go to a baby shower? After all, there isn't a life there, right? Seems disingenuous to go to a baby shower to celebrate something you insist doesn't actually exist.
Eugeun's position on life
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:33am.
Based on all his rants in the Washington Pest one would have to say that in Eugene's world, in what every quantum reality that may be, life begins when something that has human form, but no brain, registers to vote as a Democrap - oops Democrat.
well, hello mr robinson
Submitted by ron on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:07am.
i believe i will take Jeremiah 1:5 over your "brilliant" assessment any day of the week.
Amen
Submitted by EddieB on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:33am.
Amen
There are many people that dont believe In abortion
Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:09am.
but are okay with the morning after pill.
There are many people that believe forward shawn's brain...
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 8:59am.
...isn't fully formed.
Still holding a grudge?
Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 11:12am.
And wanting to hijack yet another thread with a personal vendetta? Lol let it go. This can't be healthy.
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The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Oklahoma
Submitted by kilrod on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:13am.
Yesterday the Oklahoma State Senate overwhelmingly passed a personhood law confirming life begins at conception.
A few days ago a friend attended a funeral of a baby that was born alive at 3 months but did'nt survive. The family had a viewing of the body. My friend said it was the most beautiful baby he had ever seen.
kilrod "the Birther"
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
So, who you gonna believe Eugene or God...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:20am.
...Eugene or God.
Hmmm. That's a tough one. Eugene, God. God, Eugene.
Um, I think I will go with God. Sorry Eugene.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Amen
Submitted by EddieB on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:29am.
Amen
He should be forced to answer a question
Submitted by octavioj on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:47am.
A simple reasoning on this start with the question: how does he know he is alive?
Never ceases to amaze.......
Submitted by Herbster on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:36am.
Mr. Robinson never ceases to amaze with his statements - usually based in ignorance and uttered with half truths. He obviously deserved his Pulitzer Prize as much as the current occupant of the White House deserved a Nobel. In truth, both awards have been dumbed down and politicized to the point of becoming meaningless. An Einstein today would not even be considered for a Nobel - he would be accused of being an "Occupier" keeping a boot on the neck of the "Brave, opressed Palestinians." Any day now, I expect to see the Nobel folks award a posthomous award to Whitney Houston for her "Advancement of knowledge in the field of (Self) medication and a poster child of free drugs for all."
Getting back to the Robinson person......he brings to mind Goethe's famous statement that, "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action."
Without the Second Amendment there will be no First Amendment!
There he goes again...
Submitted by Morganfrost on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:38am.
First, it's interesting to note how puzzled Eugene seems to be that any political organization would advocate for a view that did not command a majority-- I suppose the idea of principles is foreign to him.
Second, while I don't necessarily believe that a fertilized egg is necessarily a human life, I do believe that an 18 year old person is a human life. Candidly, I'm not possessed of sufficient wisdom or medical knowledge to pick the exact moment in between those two points to decide with certainty where the magical "human life" moment occurs. In fact, picking that exact moment is so very difficult that it's much easier to demonize people who don't agree with you than it is to defend your own opinion. That's pretty much all Eugene can manage on most issues. I wouldn't call him insane for that... but I also wouldn't call him very bright.
Life doesn't matter anyway.
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:50am.
REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose.
Got that? "When life begins" shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose.
Because Roe v Wade takes care of that: it's all about the "trimester."
If found on another planet
Submitted by Streak on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:55am.
If the cells were found on another planet be considered life? Of course, life is started when a new life is formed.
If one cannot be totally honest to oneself how can they be expected to be honest to others? First one have to really be honest to the heart before seeing the need to tell the truth to others. Please take a day to not lie at all and see how hard it c
No, you ignorant moron. They ARE alive!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:55am.
My baby girl is now 6 months pregnant with twin girls, and they are, and have been, very much live human beings for some time now.
I dare Eugenics Robinson to trot his ignorant ass down to a doctor's office and view a baby in a sonogram or ultrasound image and tell that mother that it isn't a live human. They react to sound. They react to each other in the womb. They continually move around and shift positions. They kick out and punch out with their hands and feet, and if you push back they will react. THEY ARE ALIVE.
That is the reason that liberals do not want mothers to have to view their baby before an abortion. What's the problem? If it's just a hunk of growth, sort of a tumor, why not look at it? They know damned well what the problem would be.
I think that Eugenics believes that it is acceptable to sacrifice a disproportionately high number of black babies now to establish a "new moral standard" for this country, and once the takeover is complete, his boy will set things straight and whack more of other races than blacks. That way he believes that Black Power will truly rule (a la Rev Wright!).
Just like most other liberals, they have no clue that they will be in the first wave to "benefit" from Obama's New World Order" as they march off to their own destruction.
I only regret that this is the future that my grand daughters are on the verge of inheriting from me. We could have done better.
Precious life
Submitted by nanabanana on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 1:08pm.
Congratulations, Newsbubba - precious double blessings for sure.
Eugene worships at the temple
Submitted by d1carter on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 11:57am.
Eugene worships at the temple of Media Matters...
insane belief that a fertilized egg is a fully formed person
Submitted by Clemenza on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 12:07pm.
Somebody needs to tell this porch primate to try this with a bald eagle egg . . . . . . . . .
http://www.fws.gov/midwest/eagle/protect/laws.html
The Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) prohibits the taking, killing, possession, transportation, and importation of migratory birds, their eggs, parts, and nests except as authorized under a valid permit (50 CFR 21.11).
MBTA
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 12:39pm.
Like most democraps Eugene is incapable, or unwilling, to carry their thoughts to a logical conclusion so therefore one, or all, of the following apply:
1. Humans are not specified in the MBTA so are therefore not subject to the protections contained therein.
2. Planned Parenthood, et. al., have an implied permit to do whatsoever they want.
3. Humans are not an endangered or threatened species and since rights are only granted by the Federal Government the homo sapiens species is not entitled to any protection.
To think life begins after
Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 12:38pm.
To think life begins after birth is, frankly....convenient.
to bad...
Submitted by D'saredumbpeople on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 1:13pm.
if ever a case for abortion.......our eugene
living cells = alive. Even
Submitted by humanzee on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 1:21pm.
living cells = alive. Even if you consider a growing fetus or embryo just a mass of cells, not a human being... you have to admit the embryo or fetus is "alive."
Human life starts at conception... as soon as those 46 chromosomes start working to build a full sized human being.
Read the Fine Print
Submitted by CJohnson on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 1:25pm.
According to my health insurance policy, a fertilized egg is 'covered' under my health plan and it may receive medical care. According to state law, killing my fertilized egg while it is gestating inside me is a murder. FDA a.seems to agree and won't allow medical personnel radiate my fertilized egg. Oh, and that message on the vodka bottle about harming my fertilized egg if I drink or the warning on the cigarettes seem to imply my fertilized egg has value.
Robinson
Submitted by mmilesll on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 1:29pm.
I think this "journalist" wins the grand prize for never uttering an intelligent thought.
"Not a fully formed person" = "Not quite people"
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 1:40pm.
I think Mr. Roberson should be very careful with that "not a fully formed person" argument if I were he. That argument, that someone isn't actually a human being, isn't actually a person, lead to such heights of social progress as Slavery, Eugenics, the Holocaust, and, now, abortion. It's a lot easier restricting, removing, and deleting the rights of others when you begin to question their very humanity.
It's easier to convince an entire population that the wholesale murder of children is ok as their not quite human. And that's their entire argument, that child isn't a "fully" human so it doesn't deserve the same right to life us "real" people enjoy. Goebbels would be proud!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Who the F gives a rats ass about this guy?
Submitted by Bill Brasky on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 1:45pm.
It says a lot of about the low quality of MSNBC that they put this mouth breathing gorilla on the air every day.
I think the MessNBC should
Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 5:01pm.
I think the MessNBC should team up the Ol' Rev. Sharpton and Eeewwwgene together. Now that would be worth watching...just sayin'.
Stupid is as Stupid Does
Submitted by Richard_Iowa on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 3:19pm.
Hey Gene, now that you are an expert biologist here are a few questions for you.
1. Which part of the human genome is not present in a zygote, or fertilized egg?
2. How is cellular respiration in a zygote different than in a fetus, baby, infant, child, teen, adult, geriatric person?
3. Compare and contrast developmental regulation in a fertilized egg with that of an adult. Please explain and identify where is the break in the continuum of the development from single cell to that of a human in advanced age. If an egg is not a human there has to be a break in development. Where does this occur and where does the transition from non human to human occur? And, to refer back to question 1., please identify the genes that have been eliminated, or acquired, in the baby, infant, child, teen, adult, geriatric person relative to the zygote?
And finally, a statement rather than a question. All you are doing is making an unsubstantiated statement that a human fertilized egg is not alive, or is not human. You have it backwards. You need to be providing convincing evidence that a human fertilized egg is not a living human in order to substantiate your argument. It is not up to me to prove to you that a human zygote is a living human. It is up to you to prove that a human zygote is not a living human. So, please enlighten us as to the changes that occur during development that disqualify a zygote from being a living human and then inform us which changes come about to confer "life" on this human, or however you want to make characterization. And, here is a hint. You have to start with the genome. Also, please give one example of a nonliving, self-replicating system. Viruses don't count as they are not cells and are dependent on living systems to replicate, whereas a fertilized egg be grown in the lab. Why do you liberals hate life so much?
Hold on there
Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 4:59pm.
Hold on there Professor!...You forgot to add that Eugene is also an expert theologian.
BTW - I think you probably lost Eeewwwwgene there after '1.'
for liberals
Submitted by BrianS on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 3:02pm.
life doesn't begin until you become a liberal. and ends when you stop being one.
3/5th
Submitted by Tjexcite on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 4:07pm.
For so long they where 3/5th and now Mr. Robinson is saying they are zero and it does not even matter what color they are.
Totally LAUGHABLE
Submitted by djwolf12 on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 6:55pm.
What does this idiot expect us to believe, that life begins at death? Go figure; he said this on the show touting the Madcow disease.
And yet...
Submitted by vividsign on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 7:07pm.
And yet... the evolutionist will tell us LIFE began as a SINGLE CELL...
... the evolutionist will tell us LIFE began as a SINGLE CELL...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 9:23am.
Perfect, I will be using that.
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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
you're all missing the point
Submitted by michiganruth on Thu, 02/16/2012 - 10:54pm.
this discussion shouldn't be about when life begins, or what Eugene Robinson personally believes. the problem isn't that he's pro-choice. the problem is he's on TV and he gets to spew to millions of people (well, thousands, it's only MSNBC) and he is CLEARLY and DISGUSTINGLY biased.
THAT'S the problem.
people of good conscience can disagree about when life begins, but we shouldn't be lectured about it from a TV commentator who's supposed to be--well, I almost wrote "objective." but then I remembered it was Euge defending his messiah Obama...
Mr. Robinson
Submitted by uhohshortsonthe... on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 8:07am.
seems to forget that many, many black babies have been aborted over the years, and lot of it had to do with Planned Parenthood's evil policies. How ironic that he defends abortion and argues semantics over when life begins, when the racist founder of PP most likely would have applauded his mother terminating the pregnancy.
It's not difficult.
Submitted by NBF on Fri, 02/17/2012 - 1:16pm.
The entity conceived is living.
The entity conceived has its own unique human DNA.
It is human life.
Case closed.