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Rachel Maddow, Alan Grayson Lament That More Democrats Don't Share Their Ardor for Abortion

By Jack Coleman | January 25, 2012 | 13:52

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Liberals love substituting the word "choice" for abortion in their futile attempt to render it bloodless.

Liberals despise when those they consider allies "choose" to reconsider their enthusiasm for abortion. (video clip after page break)

A clearly worried Rachel Maddow commiserated with former congressman Alan Grayson on her MSNBC show Monday about Republican state legislators around the nation imposing a slew of restrictions on abortion over the last year.

Here's how Maddow described it before speaking with Grayson --

Today in an anti-abortion march in Washington (to mark anniversary of Roe v. Wade decision), the anti-abortion movement was treated to a speech from the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, who said he is working to overturn the Roe versus Wade decision. It has been a breathtaking year of watching abortion rights disappear in the United States. There have been more rollbacks of abortion rights since the 2010 elections than in any time since Roe versus Wade was passed 39 years ago.

And this massive, coordinated offensive against abortion rights by the Republicans has frankly been aided by the fact that while Republicans love to campaign on this issue, Democrats don't love to campaign on this issue. Being pro-choice is not a litmus test for the Democratic Party the way that being pro-life is for the Republican Party. There are lots of elected Democrats who are opposed to abortion rights. But even Democrats who are not opposed to abortion rights have not been very willing to stand up and say that, much less to campaign on being pro-choice.

Translation -- even pro-abortion Democrats aren't comfortable proclaiming their support for abortion. As if doing so is somehow -- could it be? -- shameful.

Maddow's guest, former Florida congressman Alan Grayson, reminiscent as usual of the doorman at a Depression-era speakeasy, was similarly concerned about this inexplicable queasiness among fellow Democrats for ending human life in utero --

MADDOW: Obviously the anniversary of Roe versus Wade was this weekend. There's always a big anti-abortion rights march around that time. There's always a lot of promises and sort of crowing from the anti-abortion movement. But we really have seen a remarkable year and in a remarkable year of restricting abortion rights, Florida stands out. I mean, to have 18 different pieces of anti-abortion legislation including five new anti-abortion restrictions passing in the state. What accounts for that taking the forefront of the Republican agenda, even as it popped up and was popular everywhere, Florida really seems to have gone, sort of gone nuts.

GRAYSON: I think it's because Democrats here in Florida, there are some, for some reason are reluctant to make the case for pro-choice. I think that's what it comes down to. I have no trouble telling people that I think the most fundamental right is the right to control your own body. But I hear very few other Democrats saying anything like that. So we've basically left the playing field and I think that's a shame.

Of course, the fundamental right to control one's body is preceded by the "most" fundamental right -- to life itself. Notice how Grayson -- even him -- couldn't bring himself to utter the word "abortion." It does, after all, exude such finality.

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Jeez, I'm on my way to work -

Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 1:59pm.

Jeez, I'm on my way to work - but I just looked at these two photos of these two morons..............I guess that old saying 'a picture is worth a thousand words' still rings true.

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GLAD (pun intended)

Submitted by tvhall on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:28pm.

She's gay and woln't reproduce.

The world doesn't need more snarky homely liberal woman. Maybe her breed will go extinct!

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⇒ Curb your euthanism, Rachel

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:02pm.

Why do you care?

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What is it??

Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:02pm.

What is it about saving killers but killing babies that these libs find so appealing?

-Jon

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maybe they wished they were

Submitted by jetsgiants on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:12pm.

maybe they wished they were aborted

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In the case of these two...

Submitted by KyWriter on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:31pm.

...there are more than a few who wish they had been.

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Interesting....

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:27pm.

I wonder if they believe in post-partum abortions?

If so, they could each perform the abortion they wished their mothers would have had.

Instead of calling it suicide, they could leave a 'self abortion' note to show their strong support for their favorite project.

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I kind of regret, ...

Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:11pm.

... that Maddow's and Grayson's parents didn't favor abortion way back when.

Comrade Bubba
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So NBC admits there WAS a march!

Submitted by JeffC... on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:12pm.

I knew someone in the LSM would come around and recognize the existence of March For Life.

Maybe next year, the LSM will refer to it as March For Life.

And Alan Grayson--why not go out and campaign for your old seat using the term abortion instead of hiding behind the term "choice." See if you can lose by even more votes than in 2010.

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NBC won't call anything a 'march' unless Sharpton organizes it.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:22pm.

.

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Here you go Maddow*

Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:23pm.

Compassion and a woman's right to choose is what liberals claim is their motive. But if conservatives were to suddenly agree to abortion and use taxpayer money, how quickly the issue would turn to racism.

Hillary Clinton was proud to receive the coveted Margaret Sanger Award.  But again, anyone who dares believe in respect for life is considered subjucation of women

Hypocrites are one group, outright liars are entirely diferent.

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caj, it's amazing that libs

Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:43pm.

caj, it's amazing that libs don't claim conservatives are just pretending to care, and  secretly support abortion because it reduces the black population.

You know, just like they support some blacks (conservatives) to hide the fact that they hate blacks.

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Maddow has been weighing whether to artificially inseminate

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:21pm.

herself so she, too, can personally experience the Miracle of Abortion.

Grayson DID volunteer, but with the caveat that he often "has problems."

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Easy solution, Alan

Submitted by CO2Maker on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:25pm.

Change hands.

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...he often has problems......

Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:19pm.

....with women. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. Know what I mean? ;->

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Turkey baster

Submitted by CO2Maker on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:27pm.

I don't see an abortion in Racial Madcow's future, unless a turkey baster's involved. BTW, I wasn't referring to Alan Gruesome, who is a turkey and a basterd, but is not a turkey baster.

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how certain are you

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:29pm.

that he hasn't basted a few turkeys in his past?

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Woulda-Coulda-Shoulda

Submitted by IrateNate on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:37pm.

This pathetic pair may have stumbled onto something; just imagine how much better the world might be had both of them had been aborted...

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to put it another

Submitted by jkwtrading on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:41pm.

to put it another way..liberals present an infinite amount of reasons to kill an unborn and finite amount of reasons to save a mass murderer..that leaves them no reasons to save themselves if we decide to utilize it all in a logical form.

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Alan Grayson?!

Submitted by HockeyKid on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:43pm.

Boy, Madcow's really scraping the barrel for guests, isn't she?

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

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Running for his old seat

Submitted by JeffC... on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:55pm.

I've been getting ads when I visit Drudge's mobile site that Grayson is trying to win his old seat back. Considering the fact that he got only 38% of the vote in 2010, he needs the help of all MSNBC viewers in his district.

They could meet in a phone booth. And since Grayson was in studio, someone else could come in and use the phone.

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He certainly needs $$$ from outside his district . . .

Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:15pm.

. . . When an incumbent loses as badly as he did in 2010, he/she needs (a) a vulnerable opponent, and (b) a lot of $$$. For most Congressional races, that means money from special interest groups and PACs outside the district.

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Seriously,

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 2:44pm.

what are the chances either of these two ever has to worry about an abortion?

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Guess what

Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:40pm.

Exactly what I was thinking(first thing that came to mind)

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Women's Choice

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:05pm.

"But even Democrats who are not opposed to abortion rights have not been very willing to stand up and say that, much less to campaign on being pro-choice."

Hay, Maddow, what about the millions of women who choose to believe that Abortion is Murder (and there are millions of them)? Doesn't that choice count?

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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Then that's their choice.

Submitted by buttercup815 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:15pm.

And women should allow other women to have a choice.

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Take a hike, Zippers.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:23pm.

And take Mashugana with you.

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First of all,

Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:35pm.

Who the heck is Zippers? And second what do you have against women who want to execise a freedom to choose?

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does anyone have a freedom to

Submitted by jkwtrading on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:38pm.

does anyone have a freedom to choose murder?

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Yep...freedom to choose to

Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:38pm.

Yep...freedom to choose to kill one's own baby, just because it IS one's own. That's what this country is all about!

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Sigh,

Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:59pm.

I'll take one more futile try at this and then I'm done.I hate the idea of abortion. I have three daughters whom I love unconditionally. I tried hard to raise them right. Sent them to a private Catholic school. They are now all adults, so what I don't want is for anyone else to tell them what their CHOICES are!
Though I am somewhat annoyed that I don't have any grandchildren yet.

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Maybe they will exercise their "choices"....

Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:19pm.

Then how annoyed will you be?

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We're told what our chicoes are every single day.

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:21pm.

We're told what our choices are every single day. Most importantly, we're told what we can NOT choose, every single day.

We told that, no, we can't choose to take another person's property because that's called stealing. We told that, no, we can't take another person's life because that's called murder. We told, no, we can't turn onto that street because it's a one way moving in the opposite direction. We're told, no we can't cross that intersection because the light is red and others have the right of way. We're told what we can eat, what we can wear, what we can build, what we can sell, even what we can inherit. We're told what is considered trash, what is considered hazardous, what is considered charity.

We're told what to do, and what not to do, every single day, in more ways that you can remember, let alone ever learn, and, yet, despite all of this, people like yourself say "hay, women have a choice in how they can treat their unborn children! Who are we to interfere?" Does that make any sense to you, at all?

If you can be told which direction you can drive on the street, something that even the "women's choice" movement has no problem with, in Canada as well as America, then you can be told how to treat your unborn child. They both control human behavior, both control individual choice. There is no fundamental difference between the two, none whatsoever.

Think it through, will you? Women can not, should not, kill a child once it has been born, even if they, and they alone, must "care " for that child, right? Well, why should women be able to kill their own children just because they're still within that woman's body? There's no fundamental difference between caring for a child within one's body and caring for a child outside one's own body. None, whatsoever. They're still vulnerable children, and they still need care. So, why should women have a "choice" in the one situation and not the other? It doesn't make any sense, none whatsoever.

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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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CobraMan

Submitted by Model850 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:54pm.

Regardless of one's opinions about abortion I never have believed the "it's my body" argument is a particularly effective one.

Can I legally sell a kidney? Why not? It's my body.

And yes, I understand the difference in that abortion is legal and selling body parts isn't, but that ignores the fact that it still is someone else telling you what you can and can't do with your own body.

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It is a terrible argument.

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:00pm.

It is a terrible argument. Can a person legally "cut " themselves repeatedly, intentionally? No, they'll be forced, against their will, to undergo treatment for a psychological disorder. They'll be detained, bound if necessary, and be forced to take medication, as well as "counseling." Why, because they're intentionally harming themselves!

Having a piece of "tissue" ripped out of your womb? Well, that's a different story! Yes, you're intentionally harming yourself, but it's a private matter, so butt out! Yea, like that's a reasonable argument!

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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Mandrake*

Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:16pm.

I do not respond to your liberal spew very often but this time I have  questions for you.

..."what do you have against women who want to exercise a freedom to choose?...."

Give this some thought beyond what to have for dinner.

What kind of society encourages its women to feel "free" to kill their own child?  What kind of women does it take to kill an unborn? Why is a child an "inconvenience" rather than a consequence of irresponsible behavior? What kind of "mothers" would these women make if they feel "free" to murder an  unborn?   Statistics show the murder of toddlers and young children has increased significantly since Roe vs Wade. Why is that? What are we teaching our young women?

The majority of women have serious bouts of depression after abortion. That depression reoccurs periodically during other phases of those women's lives. Women that have had abortions and later become mothers suffer the greatest levels of depression.  Why is that mandrake?  You ask what is it folks have against a woman exercising her rights.  You and liberals never ask why the majority of opponents to abortion are WOMEN.   

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What part of 'and then I'm done'

Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:18pm.

Didn't you understand? I hear your arguments. But when it comes to my daughters freedom..I don't care.
Are we done now?

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yes mandrake*

Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:25pm.

ONE and done!

How will you feel when one of your daughters exercises her right to kill your grandchild?

Now we are done.

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You don't care: end of argument.

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:42pm.

You don't care: end of argument. You don't care if an innocent life is lost: end of argument. You don't care that a human being has been ripped apart: end of argument. You don't care about that individual life: end of argument. You just don't care: end of argument.

Tell me, mandrake, if you don't care, as you just admitted, then why do you continually ask us why WE care? It's obvious enough that you DO care. WHY else would you continually ask what our objections are? WHY else would you continually remind us what your views are? You care enough to mention how much you "don't care," every chance you get. Why is that, if you truly don't care?

Here's the truth, mandrake. it's not that you don't care , it's that we DO care. We care so much that we comment on it every time it's mentioned. We care so much that we try to convince people like yourself, people who don't care, of why they should care. It's OUR caring that bothers you, and not you lack thereof. You need to ask yourself of why we bother you so much with our caring.

What's the matter, do we make you feel guilty or something? If so, GOOD! YOU SHOULD FEEL GUILTY! You're complacent in the face of murder. Think about it.

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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Because it's so much fun!

Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:45pm.

Well, it has been. Not to worry, in 9 weeks it will be my 6th year here..at which point my mommy sez I need to find a new pastime. She pointed out the grim reality that I have spent 1 tenth of my life with this pointless stuff.
As mom sez...these people don't even like you and you will never change anyone's mind. So stop already

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So, we're a source of amusment?

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:52pm.

So, we're nothing but a source of amusement for you ? Thanks for admitting how much you really, truly, appreciate the opinions of others. Thanks for showing us all just how sincere anything you say truly is. Every time you post now, I'll be asking myself: does he mean that or is he just trying to have fun? Perhaps, now that you've admitted it, it really is time for you to find a new "pastime."

By the way, I'm, never, EVER going to stop trying to change people's minds about abortion. The issue is far too important to me to abandon. I suggest you learn to deal with it. You DON'T have to respond, you know. You can just ignore it. Or can you?

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Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Well yeah

Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:55pm.

Why do you watch TV? (Other than news) For amusement? Did I not say 9 weeks am I'm on to some other form of amusement? Seriously, I'm thinking of taking a course in juggling or magic tricks. If it aint fun..why bother.

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There's a difference...

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:08pm.

There's a difference between watching TV and engaging in conversation. One is passive, the other is not. But, hay, isn't it time for you to find a new pastime? Why wait nine weeks, why not start today? I'll tell you why, because just disappearing isn't enough for you. You need to announce you're departure, like any good narcissist would do.

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Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Now you got me there!

Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:17pm.

I just think 6 years is a nice round number. Oh and BTW balboa's 6 years is tommorow. Congratulate him for me cause I think mom is about to take away my laptop. (-:

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"so stop already"?

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:40pm.

Is that your way of saying please don't talk about this anymore because we can't see your tears and it's getting harder to come up with feeble excuses to defend you position?

Or does it mean "SHUT UP"?  Which would naturally beg the question, "WHY"?

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No, I'm just having fun!

Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:47pm.

Jeez, doesn't anyone around here watch House?

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ok..

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 1:15am.

just checking.

I look at my house, and the nearest neighbors house almost a mile away but what does that have to do with anything?

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If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?

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Are we having fun yet?

Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 12:25pm.

Hay, mandrake, why do you continually refer to television as a justification for using conversations with us solely as a source of your own amusement? Do you hold conversations with your tv or something?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Both can be amusing

Submitted by mandrake on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 12:35pm.

I generally don't talk to my tv..but I do sometimes shout at it. Like at the season ending of Dexter. That ending was really rude. I also don't talk to my computer..I type at it. And it amuses me. Satisfied?

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Mandrake, choose is not a synonym for kill.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:21pm.

Not anywhere in the world, or at any time in human history.

I know you know this to be true, so kindly stop with the squid ink screen.

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They ought to put Grayson's portrait on the cover of . . .

Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:14pm.

. . . Famous Monsters of Filmland.

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Is Abortion really that great?

Submitted by telecaster on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:55pm.

These two non-viable's ought to have themselves aborted just to find out what they missed in utero. We could all watch and cheer. I'll bring popcorn.

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it's too late for a 'late term abortion'.

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:40pm.

Neither of them has any brain left to suck out.

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If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?

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⇒ What choo mean Willis?

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:49pm.

It ain't too late for one of them Obama Chicago style ones he fought so hard to keep legal.

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I have no trouble telling

Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:02pm.

I have no trouble telling people that I think the most fundamental right is the right to control your own body.

Just why in the HELL does he not apply that to what I eat or drink?  Libertarians also say that would apply to dope. 

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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fundamental right to control one's body

Submitted by donabernathy on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:25pm.

so prostitution is now legal...huh.... ???????

Drugs have been legalized....right.....????

No one is gonna force me to buy health insurance... cause I control my own body.......?????

no one is gonna give me a ticket cause I ain't wear'n a seat belt or helmet ......cause I control my own body....?????

friggn idjets

roflmao

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Just be glad that Maddow and

Submitted by celator on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:59pm.

Just be glad that Maddow and Grayson are not on the staff of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Yet.

"This is not your mother's Democratic Party"--Andrew Breitbart, CPAC, February 2012
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Perhaps she wants

Submitted by tdabbs on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 7:32pm.

Perhaps she wants billboards all over the country saying "Kill an unborn baby today!"
Its not a happy subject to be vocally in favor of.

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Aren't these two progressive

Submitted by nolefan2 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 8:08pm.

abortion proponents glad their own parents made a different choice? What a shame all of these aborted babies will never have a chance at life like Ms. Maddow and Mr. Grayson. The government just wants to control as much of our lives as it possibly can. It picks and chooses what areas of our lives to control.....in this case based on the voting base which happens to want the right to have an abortion. We need to make wiser choices in life and perhaps we would not have as many abortions. Women who make these bad choices and get pregnant could give the babies up for adoption and make wishes come true for those who wish to conceive, but cannot.

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yes, compare what they are saying to this video

Submitted by OuttaMyWay on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 9:02pm.

check out www.180movie.com

i know that i have posted this before, but it really chances the nature of the argument.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time to update someone's saying: Apparently my talent is no longer on loan from God, it is given to me by the government...the rel
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Great vid...I've watched it before, but thanks....

Submitted by stage9 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 9:12pm.

for posting again...

"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge

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No one can endorse a homicide like a liberal can...

Submitted by stage9 on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 9:09pm.

They make it sound like it's a virtue to murder a baby in it's mother's womb. If murdering a baby isn't enough to jar their consciences, would murdering anyone else be unconscionable to them? Unlikely...

"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge

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Ah ha!

Submitted by CO2Maker on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 5:54am.

The Mumia Abu-Jamal Center for Reproductive Stoppages! In cooperation with Planned Non-Parenthood. Non-funded >wink wink< by HHS and the Soros Fund.

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Why the Hell Should Maddow Even Care

Submitted by VideoSavant on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 8:41am.

The closest she ever gets to a penis is when she straps on a polyurethane replica.

Maybe she plans on "going Chad." Close, but no cigar.

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Maddow's next guest

Submitted by GW on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 11:46am.

can be that great hero of "choice", Kermit Gosnell. That'll show everyone how she feels.

"Unfortunately, some people use belief-based facts rather than fact-based beliefs." -Par for the Course on Wed, 04/18/2012 - 5:38pm
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