Ed Schultz Clueless About Obama's Unease With 'Victory' in Afghanistan

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Between his daily radio show and nightly television program on MSNBC, which boasts of itself as "the place for politics," Ed Schultz somehow managed to miss the news of President Obama's ambivalence about "victory" in Afghanistan.

A caller to Schultz's radio show on Monday told Schultz of this, but Schultz wasn't buying (click here for audio) --

SCHULTZ:  Do we send 40,000 more troops in? Brian, what do you think?

CALLER: You know what? I heard someone say we're not in it to win, we're not in it for victory. And I was stunned when I heard that, so ...

SCHULTZ: Well, what do you mean we're not in it for victory?

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CALLER: Uh, that's what I hear. That's what I heard the man say. We're not there to declare victory. We don't want to, that's what I heard a long time ago.

SCHULTZ: Oh, OK.

CALLER: Yeah, that was, would have been, what, three months ago?

SCHULTZ: Grocery store conversation, alright.

CALLER: No, that was the president of the United States, unfortunately.

SCHULTZ: Oh, OK, that was Bush when he said, I don't think you can win it.

CALLER: No, no, that was President Barack Obama.

SCHULTZ: He said we're not in it to win it? When did he say that?

CALLER: Oh that's, oh you'd find that on YouTube, I'm sure. That was about two or three months ago when pressed about it. Now he's not even going to listen to his man McChrystal. I got the, we got the Fed chief, the Secretary of Treasury and Ben Bernanke are just like, the president doesn't listen to us.

Allow me to bring Schultz up to speed, seeing how he loves reading NewsBusters posts about him, as he claimed on his radio show today. The caller was correct, both about what Obama said and when he said it, which was three months ago.

Obama's remarks came during a "Nightline" interview with Terry Moran on July 23. Follow this link to a YouTube video of the interview posted by "Nightline" (the discussion on Afghanistan starts at 8:34 into the segment) and this link for a transcript at RealClearPolitics. Here's what Obama said, in response to a leading question from Moran --

MORAN: I want to shift gears here. Afghanistan -- this has been the deadliest month for American and NATO troops in Afghanistan ever.

Define victory in Afghanistan, or maybe that's not the right word.

OBAMA: I'm always worried about using the word "victory" because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur.

 ... or of Lee coming down and signing a surrender to Grant.

There's so much packed in that one sentence from Obama, where to begin? Perhaps by noting its inaccuracy -- Hirohito did not take part in the surrender ceremony on the USS Missouri anchored in Tokyo Bay on Sept. 2, 1945, though MacArthur did. Signing the instrument of surrender for Japan were its foreign minister and the head of its army.

Not only that, Hirohito was allowed by the United States and its allies to remain on the throne, albeit with less power than he held in the militarist Japan that brutally sought to dominate Asia. (Hirohito was still emperor three decades later when I caught a glimpse of his motorcade during a visit to Cape Cod in 1975.)

Worse than Obama getting his facts wrong here is what he implies -- that the United States deliberately humiliated Hirohito, with the emperor "coming down" and "signing a surrender to MacArthur."

The indisputable fact that Hirohito did not take part in the surrender ceremony refutes this, though MacArthur and President Harry Truman (a Democrat, not incidentally) surely had it in their power to force Hirohito to do so.

While Obama says he is "always worried" about the "notion" of "victory" in Afghanistan, clearly he is not so disinclined in other competitive ventures. As I recall, victory in a different conflict was of paramount importance to him about this time a year ago.

How is it that Schultz missed what Obama said, especially in referring to a war that worsens by the month? A couple of theories come to mind. First, the mainstream media was disinclined from giving Obama's remark more attention than necessary, so as not to contradict his frequent campaign claim that Afghanistan was the "central front" in the war on terror, the good war to Iraq's bad.

Second, the "Nightline" interview aired only one day after Obama said at a press conference that Cambridge police "acted stupidly" in arresting Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. Obama's remark doubled the half-life of a controversy that had already dominated the news cycle for nearly a week, and crowded out more important news -- such as a commander in chief's queasiness with "victory" during wartime.


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in it to win it

Pretty much anyone who volunteers to join our military know that we have the best in the world and with the *right* Commander In Chief, we are in it to win it.

Having said that, we don't have the right CIC.  He's destroying America one step at a time.

-Jon

DAMN RIGHT...

Obama & the left do not have the stomach to fight terrorism, none. They are too busy undermining America's future by trying to install are hard left socialist system domestically to worry about America's enemies abroad. They only times the left get exercised about foriegn policy is to slap down Israel & to submit to the UN even more then we do already.

As for Schultz not getting it, he never has. So now he's at BSNBC, & they know jack about winning. Look at the ratings, they don't lie.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

Well, I wasn't going to break this one out yet...

and not that it's all that special, but it does relate somewhat to this thread. Here's Obama's thoughts on Afghanistan. (make sure you can see the plaques above and below or it won't make any sense)

Ed Schultz Clueless

That alone (ed schultz clueless) would have been enough of a title to describe him and 98% of the leftsteam media. Bambi has to do a 180 on his tough guy stance pre election as his loonie left faction is getting upset with Afgan and are pushing him to now get out of it. They decry the money we spent there but then use the line we should pull out and then give them the money we are spending there. We know they will use the money wisely and then love us again.... ya right.

Leftards are such a hoot

Aaaaarrrrggghhh

BEAT ME TO IT!

 

Schultz is a frothing, clueless, d&^%$bag. He wants to be Limbaugh of the Left but he doesn't have the talent (on loan from Obama) the chops , charisma or any ability to support his premises with anything other than "I said so"... He comes off as a crazy uncle no one will acknowledge but all talk about behind his back. He'll attract the fringe because he's saying what the voices in their heads are saying but will never reach a larger audience.

I recall prior to the

I recall prior to the election Obamas position was that the US would mount an incursion into Pakistan (Pronounced Pawk-istan) to eliminate AQ unlike GWB.  He made this pronouncement in a fit of bravado to counteract the notion that he was weak in the defense and Geopolitical realms.

Well, we are what, ten months in and his strategy remains that of GWB though he has differing tactics.  Namely no air support or artillery support for troops in contact unless it can be proven that no one will be hurt from their use (Including it seems ...the enemy)

 

There's another occasion

There's another occasion where Uhbama said "I'm not interested in victory, I'm interested in a solution to the problem." (as nearly as I can quote off the top of my head)

Given those two pieces of political history, is anyone suprised that Special Ed didn't have a clue about either one?  Or that he tried to ridicule Bush in order to hide his own ignorance?

I think Ed's got what he wanted, though:  he's the anti-Rush, at least in the fact that Ed's wrong 98.9% of the time. 

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

As he and his cadre have said repeatedly

"Never let a crisis (*) go to waste. You can do things then you probably couldn't do any other time"(p)

 

* even if you created the crisis in the first place (emph mine)

The REAL plan

of course he's not interested in victory....BUT he is interested in destroying my country.

correct

He is a clear and present danger to the United States. His waffling on this issue while our troops die is unacceptable. His idiotic policies regarding the F-22,C-17 and our nuclear arsenal show anyone paying attention exactly where he stands on the defence of our country. His attitude toward our allies speaks for itself.
When France, of all nations, points out how totally unrealistic his policies are, well, what can I say?
Sam: "I hurt somebody's feelings once"

soldiers demoralized

I saw this on Drudge this morning and it's really heart-breaking.

http://www.timesonli...

The fault lies with the Usurper in Chief.  I got friends in the military (Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy and Coast Guard) and they've been trying to keep a stiff upper lip, but I can tell they are not happy with things.  The friend who's a Marine even went so far to say "What's the point?  Might as well turn in my weapon and become a civilian, and even that doesn't look promising."  This really bugs the hell out of me.

When will this stop?  Duh One Who Lies is killing this country and no one seems interested in stopping him.

-Jon

Jon, a lot of us saw this

Jon, a lot of us saw this coming from 1,000 miles away.

Obama has no Afghanistan plan, no strategy, no desire for victory, doesn't meet with Gen. McChrystal, no exit strategy, no timeline, no nothing. He is surrounded by radical lefty pacifists, incompetent ex-Clinton aides and radical bottom-of-the-social-scale czars.

This is Obama's Vietghanistan. He is sending our men and women to their doom, and doesn't care a whit.

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

Jon....GMTA

I just posted that same link on the OT.

And fellow NB'ers, kindly note the link is a UK publication.  Once again the American MsM is covering for the Bamster by NOT doing their jobs.   Just imagine what the reportage would look like if George Bush were still in office.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Blonde and Celator

Yeah, I saw that it was a UK site, first thing I look at whenever I see a headline on Drudge.  It wasn't on the OT at the moment I had put it on here, but yeah. 

I know he doesn't WANT to have a plan of victory of any kind and I saw it coming a 1000 miles away too, especially when he said victory wasn't the main goal of the fight against the Taliban.(What's the point of a battle except to win??)

It's the first "official" (as in reported by the news) word on the demoralization, surprised it wasn't reported that much sooner.

I'd call DuhOne a real sorry excuse for a human being, but I wouldn't insult the human race with that.(sorry excuse goes to clinton....both of them) So other phrases I'd use would be a bit inflammatory and the libs who read this might see it as racist.  Too bad.

-Jon

It's absolutely pathetic, Jon

That any criticism of the MsM-sainted Obama comes from overseas.

The media is so invested in his success (as Chrissy so ineloquently stated)....that they run all sorts of fluff & puff pieces, like the "art" thing, yada yada....while blithely ignoring any real news.

I'm finding something interesting going on, however.  I believe there must be a staffer at Fox News who reads NB and Drudge daily (stories at the two sites often refer to the other site).  Because the pattern has been a day or two after some outrage has occured, it appears on one of the FN shows.  Often times with a comment by the MRC.  If the story is outrageous enough, it goes viral, and the MsM has to be drug kicking and screaming into reporting it (usually with much cover for Obama).

The CNN reporterette at one of the first Tea Parties comes to mind, but there are numerous other examples.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

noticed it too

I've been seeing the same thing as well, we run Fox News at work and you're right, that has been happening the last few days that I've noticed.

I wonder if the head honches at FNC and FBN decided "to hell with it" and decided to report on the news regardless of the BS the other guys are throwing out and saying.  I thought a while back that some of them were talking about toning things down or something, guess they changed their minds.

Hope they give the bastiches hell.

-Jon

I think it's been quite a bit longer

But I just wondered if anyone else here noticed it.

I love it though....I'm seeing and hearing more of the MRC's staff  (yesterday on the way home from Miami it was Seton Motley) on the air, promoting the FACT of liberal media bias.  Knowledge is power....and once people twig to the fact that the alphabet nets are feeding them propaganda, they begin to understand the issues.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

what??

Why am I not shocked??

ED who??

Ed's Mom apologizes...

...when he was an infant she dropped him on his head, several times. (on purpose btw hence the apology) 

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"