Viewers of "The Rachel Maddow Show" on July 20 were treated to something seldom seen -- a political analyst trying to set the record straight after an argument, in the absence of the second pundit.
Maddow preceded her criticism of MSNBC colleague Pat Buchanan by saying this tactic is "not cool" and "not fair" before proceeding with it anyway --
MADDOW: It's not cool to talk about guests after their segment is over. It's also not fair to relitigate these arguments in the absence of one of the parties who participated in the argument and I will not try to do that now.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓But what I do feel obliged to do is to correct some of the things that were said in the course of my argument with Pat that were stated as fact that were not true. I feel an obligation just to correct the factual record as we would with anything else that was stated as fact on this show that was not true.
Maddow then launched her broadside at Buchanan, which can be seen in its entirety here at Maddow's MSNBC site, along with the original argument. The two segments, consisting of the argument and Maddow's follow-up, last almost 18 minutes altogether. The video in the post condenses what I consider questionable aspects of Maddow's response and the initial exchange.
It's not just that Maddow misquoted Buchanan -- and in the context of what she described as corrections. Worse, there appears little doubt that Maddow's misquoting was motivated by a conscious attempt to deceive.
Among her criticisms, Maddow claimed Buchanan said this --
MADDOW: Pat also said, quote, the US track team in the Olympics, they're all black folks. Uhm, the US Olympic track team is not all black, folks or otherwise (stated while showing photo montage of team members). Also the US Olympic hockey team is not all from Minnesota either, which he also said.
Here's what Buchanan actually said, absent Maddow's filter --
BUCHANAN: I believe everybody should get a chance to excel and be on the United States Supreme Court. But if I look at the US track team in the Olympics and they're all black folks, I don't automatically assume it's discrimination. I will say, I think maybe those are the fastest guys we got, that maybe they're the fastest guys in the country, maybe they're the fastest in the world. If they're all, or, Olympic team in hockey is eight white guys from Minnesota, I don't assume discrimination.
Buchanan was clearly suggesting hypotheticals -- "if I look at the US track team ...", "If they're all ... eight white guys from Minnesota" on the Olympic hockey team. And how did Maddow portray Buchanan's words? By slicing, dicing and stating them as fact, which Buchanan hadn't done.
The reason I believe what Maddow did was deliberate is twofold. First, Maddow showed clips of Buchanan from their argument four times -- but not when citing his remarks about athletes. Then, curiously, no footage of Buchanan was shown. Instead, viewers heard Maddow's claims about what Buchanan said.
Second, if Maddow played footage of Buchanan's remarks that she claimed he said, it would have come across as suspiciously short --
MADDOW: Pat also said, quote, the US track team in the Olympics, they're all black folks.
BUCHANAN: But if I look at the US track team in the Olympics and they're all black folks, I don't assume discrimination.
Note the missing word in Maddow's misquoting -- "and." If Maddow showed video of the fragment she extracted from Buchanan's remarks, it would not hold up as a quote -- "the US track team in the Olympics and they're all black folks." Huh? Clearly there's more to the sentence. Why not convey in its entirety, by repeating verbatim or showing footage of Buchanan saying it? Not only would this run the risk being fair to Buchanan, the sentence begins with a pesky "but". Which would beg another question -- "but" what? The only way to answer that would be by quoting what Buchanan said just before "but" -- to wit, "I believe everybody should get a chance to excel and be on the United States Supreme Court."
In fairness to Maddow, her other criticisms of Buchanan weren't off-base, not in my opinion. Buchanan claimed Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has "never written anything that I've read in terms of a law review article or major book or something like that on the law." Maddow said her staff turned up five law review articles written by Sotomayor, the most recent in 2004. Scholars can argue over whether any of the articles are considered "major" and I'll take Buchanan at his word that he hasn't read them.
Buchanan asserted it was "affirmative action" that won Sotomayor a place on the Yale Law Review; Maddow found a Yale law spokesperson to dispute this.
"White men were 100 percent of the people that wrote the Constitution," Buchanan said, "100 percent of the people who signed the Declaration of Independence, 100 percent of the people who died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, probably close to 100 percent of the people who died at Normandy. This has been a country built basically by white folks ..."
Hmm, not a single person of color among the thousands of dead in the pivotal battles of the Civil War? Maddow effectively undermined Buchanan's assertions in her response, declaring "the idea that only white people built America is a fantasy." Maddow also turned up evidence by way of "Nixonland" author Rick Perlstein that Buchanan, a vocal opponent of affirmative action, apparently supported a variation of it while working in the Nixon White House, a version that favored ethnic Catholics.
Had Maddow ended her criticism of Buchanan there, I'd have little to criticize her here. But she didn't -- Maddow piled on, emboldened by liberal indignation, unwilling to let accuracy get in the way of a good polemic.
In the process, Maddow refuted an assertion she made in her argument with Buchanan --
MADDOW: For you to argue that there's no basis on which the United States benefits from having Hispanics be among the people who we choose the best and brightest from, defies belief. The idea that you think we're best served by only choosing from among 99.5 percent white people for these jobs, I don't believe you believe it, Pat.
But of course Maddow believes this -- as shown by her hatchet job on Buchanan the following Monday. And this dubious assertion was preceded by Maddow claiming a line of argument by Buchanan that he never made.
Despite Maddow's professed concern for accuracy, don't hold your breath waiting for her to correct these inaccurate claims stated as fact.




















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Honesty doesn't do that
July 24, 2009 - 00:31 ET by KC MulvilleYou can't do that.
Compare this to a law court. What Maddow essentially did was to wait until the defense rested their case and left the courtroom; then as the prosecution, she personally called the jury back to the room and "edited" what the defense said, all without the defense being present. They don't let you do that in courtrooms, for good reason. It's horrendously unfair. It's also cowardice, because she couldn't risk the simple fairness of allowing Buchanan to respond.
You've heard the phrase, "we report, you decide." Apparently MSNBC doesn't support that, because Maddow couldn't allow the audience to decide for themselves. She surrendered to the urge to control opinion. I commented on this Maddow-Buchanan exchange on an earlier post. The fact that Maddow returned to comment on it, after Buchanan wasn't around to defend himself, is intellectually criminal. It's opinion-totalitarianism. She wants to control what her audience thinks.
Think about what she said. Was Maddow trying to "protect" her audience from the damage of Buchanan's false facts? Hardly. Nobody cares about the triviality of how many blacks actually were on the Olympic team. Instead, as Jack points out, Buchanan was pushing a hypotherical to advance a concept, not a statement of fact. Maddow's post-interview corrections were intended to undermine Buchanan's argument, not his irrelevant citation of facts.
The whole point of having forums of opinion (a point most cable shows miss these days) is not to smother opinions you don't like, but to hold them up for all to see. That requires a trust in the audience to handle the concepts as they see them. Instead, Maddow treats the audience as toddlers - she feels the need to cut the meat for us.
K.C. - Don't worry about Maddow's audience. Her audience is
July 24, 2009 - 04:28 ET by Rush Fancomprised almost entirely of liberals who have the mental competency of little children. That is why they are liberals. As liberals, they need protection, as they have difficulty understanding such simple concepts as equal opportunity, denying promotions based on skin color, fairness and honesty that you and I take for granted.
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“The liberal mind does not work like the mind of a regular person. Their obsession with power and control is what drives them at all times.” ~ Rush Limbaugh
Another example of
July 24, 2009 - 06:37 ET by motherbeltAnother example of liberals' underhanded debating tactics.
Yes, Buchanan did actually say the words that she quoted; but the whole tenor of it was changed by her leaving out one tiny word that preceded them: "IF"
details, details.....
As for this:
It's not cool to talk about guests after their segment is over. It's
also not fair to relitigate these arguments in the absence of one of
the parties who participated in the argument and I will not try to do
that now.
Neat how she says that and then does exactly that.
Learned that from watching the President, I assume...
Intellectually dishonest
July 24, 2009 - 03:34 ET by ckc1227Intellectually dishonest libs are a dime a dozen these days. This chowderhead is no different. Luckily she's on a network no one watches. The ones who do had already convinced themselves Pat was lying anyway, so basically, she was preaching to the choir.
It's sad though in some respects. She had to be born this way and can't help herself. No one chooses to be this lame and pathetic, do they?
Chooses to be lame and pathetic
July 24, 2009 - 06:06 ET by jdlybrandWell if they went to Harvard and the money is good. I also think that at MSNBC, a general lack of honesty is prerequisite for employment.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
July 24, 2009 - 07:54 ET by jessieHThis is why I never watch this idiot. I tried, once, but I just couldn't stomach her views. I look for reporters, although it is getting harder every day.
Maddow was just angry
July 24, 2009 - 13:54 ET by kgMaddow was just angry Pat rattled a few accomplishments of the "white man" and felt the "enlightened" need to bash and belittle Pat. I certainly hope Pat does not let this go unaddressed.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
pressure
July 24, 2009 - 08:04 ET by charlietexasIm sure rachel is under a lot of pressure being the only man on pms-nbc. he cant get everything right.......please be more understanding out there.
mom
She lost
July 24, 2009 - 08:16 ET by iveseenitallI didn't see the debate, but it seems to me that anyone who would feel she has to do this must have LOST the argument.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Re Lost
July 24, 2009 - 10:36 ET by slickwillie2001NB may have helped push her to do this; I believe there was at least one article here pointing out how badly she lost the original debate.
Why start now Rachel?
July 24, 2009 - 08:14 ET by JTP"I feel an obligation just to correct the factual record as we would
with anything else that was stated as fact on this show that was not
true."
"Live for yourself...there's no one else more worth living for.
Begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"- Rush--Anthem
to quote
July 24, 2009 - 08:52 ET by jacktheripperTo quote Dear Leader , she handled that "STUPIDLY"
"I LOVE DEAD KENNEDY'S"
Right
July 24, 2009 - 08:58 ET by GalvanicI caught part of another segment that Maddow had with a guest author. The discussion was over Cheney and whether or not he was bitter at Bush for not pardoning Scooter Libby.
Maddow repeatedly tried to get the guest to finger Cheney as the one who ordered the leaking of Valerie Plame's covert CIA status, and she was repeatedly and politely rebuffed. She persistently implied that Cheney outed or ordered the outing of Plame, and the guest kept correcting her with the facts of the Fitzgerald investigation, such as the fact that Libby was convicted of perjury and not leaking the name.
Maddow never acknowledged that it was not Cheney but Richard Armitage who admitted telling Robert Novak of Plame's identity. Nothing was ever traced to Cheney. In fact, it appears that no laws were broken as the special prosecutor never even charged Armitage -- the man who admitted doing it.
But obviously, getting it right isn't Maddow's motive. Fanning the dying embers of liberal mythos is.
"It's not cool to talk
July 24, 2009 - 11:37 ET by Chris Norman"It's not cool to talk about guests after their segment is over. It's also not fair to relitigate these arguments in the absence of one of the parties..."
You're right, Ms Maddow, it's neither cool or fair. For that matter, neither are you.
As for Buchanan, shame on you for appearing on this kangaroo court masquerading as a news show. You should know better. Are you that desperate for air time?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Rachel, Rachel, Rachel!
July 24, 2009 - 13:55 ET by okiehawk44This is an intellectually smart person without a soul. You are a liar Rachel. Why, only you know, but you are and you know it. Sad! Such a waste of potential.
Madness Maddow has an
July 24, 2009 - 16:34 ET by bigtimerMadness Maddow has an agenda...and Olbie is proud.
Maddow doesn't have the
July 25, 2009 - 09:10 ET by suzycreamcheeseMaddow doesn't have the brains to debate someone full on when they're sitting in front of her on her show. It's cheating for her to run around gathering information afterwards and then present it the next day like she's a Rhodes Scholar.
I guess Pat is a professional who enjoys debating with the other side--unlike liberals who only like jabbering with their own ilk--but what did he expect showing up on Maddow's set?
Her ratings are in the tank where they belong.